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enplaned wrote:Should modify the subject line to make it clear that the airline is closing crew bases at these airports - the article says the airline will continue to serve these points.
jghealey wrote:Sad it is indeed but I guess not unexpected, closing Stansted totally makes sense - easyJet is a bit of an outcast at STN especially with Ryanair's massive operation there, while SEN and NCL have always been small. Aircraft-wise these bases probably make up just 10 or so of their total fleet.
Where's your source for the Germany reductions? I guess if true this will mean there's less overlap between former TXL and SXF routes now that they're moving to BER.
dutchflyboi wrote:jghealey wrote:Sad it is indeed but I guess not unexpected, closing Stansted totally makes sense - easyJet is a bit of an outcast at STN especially with Ryanair's massive operation there, while SEN and NCL have always been small. Aircraft-wise these bases probably make up just 10 or so of their total fleet.
Where's your source for the Germany reductions? I guess if true this will mean there's less overlap between former TXL and SXF routes now that they're moving to BER.
German union Verdi was the source of that.
enplaned wrote:Should modify the subject line to make it clear that the airline is closing crew bases at these airports - the article says the airline will continue to serve these points.
gkirk wrote:Leaves easyJet with no bases in the north of England
T8KE0FF wrote:gkirk wrote:Leaves easyJet with no bases in the north of England
You're right, apart from their bases at Manchester and Liverpool...
gkirk wrote:T8KE0FF wrote:gkirk wrote:Leaves easyJet with no bases in the north of England
You're right, apart from their bases at Manchester and Liverpool...
They are in the Midlands, anywhere south of Lancaster = Midlands
RyanairGuru wrote:While not altogether unsurprising, closing STN means that there is now nothing left from Go.
Sad day for all those involved.
jghealey wrote:Can you maybe find a link? I'm not saying you're wrong just it would be good to see for ourselves given that there has been no official announcement
dutchflyboi wrote:No link yet. It was also communicated to all employees by management. 16 aircraft being removed in Berlin. Up to 738 pilots and cabin crew jobs lost in Germany.
"The challenges that have made it impossible to be profitable in Berlin continue to exist and have been exacerbated by Covid-19," says one of the messages written in English by Stephan Erler on Tuesday, the Country Manager for Germany at Easyjet. "These suggestions are based on our analysis of the lack of profitability and the significant loss that the bases [Tegel and Schönefeld] cause," continued Erler. "The rest of the network is no longer able to compensate for this.
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In the internal communication, Erler emphasized that Berlin remained strategically important, especially since the location had been invested significantly in the past few years. "But we have no choice and have to adjust our offer, our fleet and crew size according to current and future demand."
In the future, the focus will be on European cities and vacation destinations. "Some routes will be discontinued due to a lack of profit prospects," added Erler. "This also includes domestic German business offers."
Easyjet will not completely close the base in Berlin, emphasized CEO Johan Lundgren: "Berlin remains a strategically important part of our network, in which we have made substantial investments, and although we will remain Berlin 's largest airline, we have to adapt our flight schedule to meet demand after the pandemic and focus on profitable flying. "
airhansa wrote:LGW will become a low cost carrier base while SEN will collapse. That will be the effect of the movement of long haul operations to LHR.
Westerwaelder wrote:airhansa wrote:LGW will become a low cost carrier base while SEN will collapse. That will be the effect of the movement of long haul operations to LHR.
BA have announced the restart of at least four longhaul routes from LGW:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-30jun20/
LGW has been the focus for low cost (U2 being its largest airline pre Covid 19) or lower cost for years anyway. The overflow from LHR for foreign carriers will presumably disappear for a while.
SEN has it's own catchment area but with fewer trips being taken, it remains to be seen how viable it is. Those who fly from there love it generally but if that's enough to keep it going?
airhansa wrote:Westerwaelder wrote:airhansa wrote:LGW will become a low cost carrier base while SEN will collapse. That will be the effect of the movement of long haul operations to LHR.
BA have announced the restart of at least four longhaul routes from LGW:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-30jun20/
LGW has been the focus for low cost (U2 being its largest airline pre Covid 19) or lower cost for years anyway. The overflow from LHR for foreign carriers will presumably disappear for a while.
SEN has it's own catchment area but with fewer trips being taken, it remains to be seen how viable it is. Those who fly from there love it generally but if that's enough to keep it going?
I expect most of the reductions to be at LGW since LHR slots are too valuable. I theorize that the slots at LHR will be seized by BA once/if other airlines reduce services and leave, which will result in BA reducing LGW services further.
LGW is usually considered a "better' airport than the likes of LTN and STN. I still think that EasyJet might focus more of its operations into LGW and away from LTN. I would personally just abandon LTN and move all operations to LGW since the catchment area will be better (especially post-coronavirus) and there's no competition.
SEN is located in a nice place and has good transport links. It might be a good airport to replace LHR runway three (if it is still needed now, which may be another casualty of the coronavirus). Ditto SEN seems to me a better place to have a private aviation than LTN due to its location.
airhansa wrote:LGW has a substantially wealthier catchment area that could afford to travel out of LGW on full service airlines, which after coronavirus might be looking to low cost airlines for travel. LTN has to compete with another low cost airport STN and arguably can be replaced by airports closer to northern cities (BHX...)
Straight from the horse's mouth about (London), LGW has 72.5% while LTN has 68.5%.
http://corporate.easyjet.com/~/media/Fi ... an2015.pdf
Westerwaelder wrote:airhansa wrote:LGW has a substantially wealthier catchment area that could afford to travel out of LGW on full service airlines, which after coronavirus might be looking to low cost airlines for travel. LTN has to compete with another low cost airport STN and arguably can be replaced by airports closer to northern cities (BHX...)
Straight from the horse's mouth about (London), LGW has 72.5% while LTN has 68.5%.
http://corporate.easyjet.com/~/media/Fi ... an2015.pdf
Full service short haul has largely died a death years ago in the UK. People by and large choose full service short haul because the airline happens to fly from the right airport to the right destination at the right time is a full service airline.
Not many go out of their way to catch a full service flight when a low cost one is nearer or otherwise more convenient
Just ask BA.
eurowings wrote:RyanairGuru wrote:While not altogether unsurprising, closing STN means that there is now nothing left from Go.
Sad day for all those involved.
Although was Bristol not a 'Go' base as well?
T8KE0FF wrote:gkirk wrote:Leaves easyJet with no bases in the north of England
You're right, apart from their bases at Manchester and Liverpool...
airhansa wrote:Westerwaelder wrote:airhansa wrote:LGW has a substantially wealthier catchment area that could afford to travel out of LGW on full service airlines, which after coronavirus might be looking to low cost airlines for travel. LTN has to compete with another low cost airport STN and arguably can be replaced by airports closer to northern cities (BHX...)
Straight from the horse's mouth about (London), LGW has 72.5% while LTN has 68.5%.
http://corporate.easyjet.com/~/media/Fi ... an2015.pdf
Full service short haul has largely died a death years ago in the UK. People by and large choose full service short haul because the airline happens to fly from the right airport to the right destination at the right time is a full service airline.
Not many go out of their way to catch a full service flight when a low cost one is nearer or otherwise more convenient
Just ask BA.
You probably would not argue against assuming that U2 are going to increase their presence at LGW after leaving SEN? I would argue the reason is because there's a strong argument for setting up a low cost base at the airport as long as the operation fees are cheap enough, which they will be due to coronavirus.
I'm not sure about your comment on full service airlines? I was saying that LGW had a more prosperous catchment area and now was the right time to enter the airport since thrifty flyers are more likely to be found there. U2 say that the two airports have similar catchment coverage of Greater London but the South East is more populated and richer.
davidjohnson6 wrote:I very much doubt Easyjet will shut Luton. London's airports have a huge catchment area; close Luton and a lot of people in north London and areas further north simply won't go to Gatwick
Southend has the disadvantage of having the sea next door which cuts its catchment area in half. That's never a good starting point, unless Govt plans to close down one of the existing airports. The only routes that have lasted at Southend are those targetted at people living in Essex and east London; other routes which have tried to attract people from all over London have struggled. When Southend finds it serves 20m pax per year, then it may have a case for an additional runway; until then the idea of a new runway in Southend is fantasy
flyjay123 wrote:eurowings wrote:RyanairGuru wrote:While not altogether unsurprising, closing STN means that there is now nothing left from Go.
Sad day for all those involved.
Although was Bristol not a 'Go' base as well?
Yes it was.
f4f3a wrote:Can't understand why they can't operate into places that are from other bases . The loss of gva will be a big loss for ski traffic
f4f3a wrote:I can see why closing one of the bases makes sense but not both Sen and STN
. No real.driving force at this airline to make good decisions . I wouldn't be surprised to see other carriers mop up once they have left . NCL will be a blow but expect to probably see European based a/c fly in or even w patterns from other UK bases
Luton is ok for easy as expansion has been cancelled at the airport so no more room for wizz or Ryanair to put planes
f4f3a wrote:Can't understand why they can't operate into places that are from other bases . The loss of gva will be a big loss for ski traffic