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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2020

Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:13 pm

Any idea why BA sent a B777 to IST?
 
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Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:07 pm

Cargo. What else?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2020

Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:27 am

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Here is a review from Josh Cahill

Thanks for sharing, I just got a chance to watch it.
What a lucky guy, to quarantine in Bali for months. It is understandable that he is somehow detached from reality with those privileges.
But, I am glad at the end he thanked TK to safely fly him home in the middle of a pandemic.

I am surprised that the FA's on board were not wearing shields/gloves during meal service on that video :(

I understand Cahil trying to compare the meals he had on this flight, to what he used to receive months ago on TK.
I am sure, being back home, in real world; he will come to a different understanding about the new normal:
Ten of thousands of people are dying from the virus, large companies laying off people, UA is talking about letting go 36,000 employees, in the US we still see 60,000 new cases a day :(

TK FA's are taking pay cuts/losing benefits and have to risk their lives and go back home to their families and on top of being safety officers, waiters, bartenders, housekeepers, janitors, CPR specialists, nurses on board now we are asking them to be the comforters.

For the time being, till this virus runs its course, just be happy to go from A to B safely. The rest will follow in due time.
 
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Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:41 pm

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fil87 wrote:
Here is a review from Josh Cahill

Thanks for sharing, I just got a chance to watch it.
What a lucky guy, to quarantine in Bali for months. It is understandable that he is somehow detached from reality with those privileges.
But, I am glad at the end he thanked TK to safely fly him home in the middle of a pandemic.

I am surprised that the FA's on board were not wearing shields/gloves during meal service on that video :(

I understand Cahil trying to compare the meals he had on this flight, to what he used to receive months ago on TK.
I am sure, being back home, in real world; he will come to a different understanding about the new normal:
Ten of thousands of people are dying from the virus, large companies laying off people, UA is talking about letting go 36,000 employees, in the US we still see 60,000 new cases a day :(

TK FA's are taking pay cuts/losing benefits and have to risk their lives and go back home to their families and on top of being safety officers, waiters, bartenders, housekeepers, janitors, CPR specialists, nurses on board now we are asking them to be the comforters.

For the time being, till this virus runs its course, just be happy to go from A to B safely. The rest will follow in due time.


I still think they can do more than this. Check out this trip report onboard flydubai. Even though the guy flew in business class, he said people in the back got full service which included a meal.

https://www.exyuaviation.com/2020/07/tr ... grade.html
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2020

Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:57 pm

TK787 wrote:
fil87 wrote:
Here is a review from Josh Cahill

Thanks for sharing, I just got a chance to watch it.
What a lucky guy, to quarantine in Bali for months. It is understandable that he is somehow detached from reality with those privileges.
But, I am glad at the end he thanked TK to safely fly him home in the middle of a pandemic.

I am surprised that the FA's on board were not wearing shields/gloves during meal service on that video :(

I understand Cahil trying to compare the meals he had on this flight, to what he used to receive months ago on TK.
I am sure, being back home, in real world; he will come to a different understanding about the new normal:
Ten of thousands of people are dying from the virus, large companies laying off people, UA is talking about letting go 36,000 employees, in the US we still see 60,000 new cases a day :(

TK FA's are taking pay cuts/losing benefits and have to risk their lives and go back home to their families and on top of being safety officers, waiters, bartenders, housekeepers, janitors, CPR specialists, nurses on board now we are asking them to be the comforters.

For the time being, till this virus runs its course, just be happy to go from A to B safely. The rest will follow in due time.


Totally agree with you & I do acknowledge the very difficult job of cabin crew during these challenging times. Many companies around the globe (including some airlines) are using this covid-19 situation as a pure excuse to do heavy cost-cutting. While am sure the situation will get much better sooner we would expect, for the time-being serving two (rather) small sandwiches on a 11-hour flight is not really acceptable. Am sure they can do better than this.
 
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Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:43 pm

At a time when not much income is coming in to the airlines, cutting costs anyway they can is what they should be doing, isn't it? Covid is not an "excuse" to cut costs, it is the necessary reason to cut costs. Kudos to TK for flying and doing the best they can. Cahill thought they were doing a good job too. These are not normal times.
 
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Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:03 pm

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At a time when not much income is coming in to the airlines, cutting costs anyway they can is what they should be doing, isn't it? Covid is not an "excuse" to cut costs, it is the necessary reason to cut costs. Kudos to TK for flying and doing the best they can. Cahill thought they were doing a good job too. These are not normal times.


Qatar Airways & Lufthansa medium- & long-haul current product (both in economy & premium classes) has remained mostly unchanged compared to pre covid-19. It’s all about choices. Nevertheless, kudos to Turkish Airlines for doing the best they can to gradually re-establish their amazing network.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2020

Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:47 am

Will TK return back any of the following Wide Body ;
8 A330 from Latam ( 269 seat )
7 A330 from Skymark ( 305 seat )
3 A330 from Wow ( 337 and 345 seat )
3 777 from Kenya Airways ( 400 seat )
The inconsistency of these WB's and with most of them stored ATM why pay the $$$ ? Would TK be better off taking up the 5 A350 and the remaining 4 787 for this year having a more simpler seating arrangements for passengers and more fuel efficient aircraft's thoughts ?
 
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Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:17 am

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Will TK return back any of the following Wide Body ;

IMHO, it is not that easy to return back excess capacity at will. There will be penalties, especially in this environment where there is a glut of jets sitting idle.
 
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Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:11 pm

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Will TK return back any of the following Wide Body ;
8 A330 from Latam ( 269 seat )
7 A330 from Skymark ( 305 seat )
3 A330 from Wow ( 337 and 345 seat )
3 777 from Kenya Airways ( 400 seat )
The inconsistency of these WB's and with most of them stored ATM why pay the $$$ ? Would TK be better off taking up the 5 A350 and the remaining 4 787 for this year having a more simpler seating arrangements for passengers and more fuel efficient aircraft's thoughts ?

1) I am not sure about the lease period for those 8 332's (ex-TAM), leased thru AerCap. But these are not true ER-birds. So they are only useful for utilising in heavy pax regional routes (such a IS-European destinations, Middle East andCentral Africa as far as Nigeria...) So if and when things get starting to heal, they still be put back to good use...
2) The 3 ex-Kenyan 77Ws: Not sure about the definite dates but afaik they were leased foran average of 4years. The expiration dates may be arriving soon. These birds are helpful in IST - India (BOM & DEL) routes because of their higher pax capacity (28C/372Y=400 seats) than TK's own 30 strong 77W fleet. They were exclusively used in these routes! IMHO they can be returned when dates arrive. TK can always convert 2-3 of their own 77Ws (presently in 49C/300Y configuration) to the (28C/372Y)standards. (*)
3) Those 7 ex-Skymark 333s: These are pretty young birds and as afaik they were leased for an average of 7 years. So there's still pretty some time for their end-of-lease period. These, again, are not true-ER frames but they are needed in regional routes where business class pax need more comfortable seats (not fully flat seats but wide and reclining ones as those in true European business cabins as featured in TK's newer 321, 321neo, 738 & 738MAX). e.g. LHR, PAR, AMS, MAD, BCN, FRA, DXB, DOH routes will need these over the BUC, Ukrainian, Russian, Iran, Nigeria routes.
4) Lastly, those 3 ex-WOW 333s: Here there may be some problems. These were leased from two lessors. The primary reason for their purchase has been to use them as single class (economy) birds for the Hadj & Umrah flights to KSA. They replaced the 4 vintage 343s sold over to a South African account (possibly ending up in Iran/Mahan Air???) The purchase is pretty recent, no knowledge about their lease period. This summer there will be no such flights, possibly until the end of 2020. So, if possible, it's beneficial for TK to return them asap. TK can always convert 3-4 of its own 333s for the same purpose. (*)

(*) As TK's wide body will be growing with the newly arriving 789s (and hopefully) 359s, the true-ER 333 & 77W fleets will be relieved, so the proposed conversions can be possible. But these two fleets will also have to face their regular big maintenance checks/overhauls which will ground each bird for a 2-3, maybe 4 months..., in due course!)
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Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:00 pm

tolgaozbek.com reports, 3rd TK A350, TC-LGC, painted and can be seen in this picture:
https://tolgaozbek.com/haberler/havayol ... oBuBYO7P6I
 
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Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:10 pm

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TK Website says LAX, SFO, MIA, JFK, YUL start days July 15th. ORD, IAD July 12th.

Tomorrow is JULY 15th, any bets? :)
 
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Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:55 pm

Is it more profitable and cheaper to send 8 smaller AC like 737 and 320/321 a day, instead of let's say 2/3 widebodies to AYT? They still send a B777 to Izmir but not to Antalya anymore. What is the logic behind that?
 
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Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:15 pm

Not sure their reasoning but yes, it is more profitable to send smaller aircraft, especially to these very short distances. Not only the overall cost but turn around times.
Cargo is another issue.
 
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Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:22 pm

I've seen recently a trip report aboard TK A333 with old cabin which was filmed before lockdown, and there I saw that the light-blue fabric with multi-coloured heardrests was changed to new corporate style blue fabric and black-and-red headrests. Does anyone know in how many A333/B77W was this new style applied?
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Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:02 pm

The 77Ws to ADB haul a lot of freight; not only passengers.
 
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Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:16 pm

TK since May has even been operating freighters out of ADB as well. Huge demand for regions export of fruits and vegetables to global markets as distant as Hong Kong at the moment.
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Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:24 am

TK787 wrote:
TK787 wrote:
TK Website says LAX, SFO, MIA, JFK, YUL start days July 15th. ORD, IAD July 12th.

Tomorrow is JULY 15th, any bets? :)

Well, 4 of them are in the air already; SFO and MIA operated by 787s, LAX with a 77W, YUL with 333 I'll keep an eye on the JFK flight.
 
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Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:06 pm

And JFK flight..... TK1, 77W; left IST. Hope this trend will continue. :crossfingers:
 
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Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:36 pm

TK cut from 2 daily to 1 daily to AMS since last week. Not enough demand? Hard to believe since I flew during the pandemic on a sold out B777. DUS still gets 3 trips a day. Not counting AJ.
 
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Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:17 pm

TK787 wrote:
TK773ER wrote:
Will TK return back any of the following Wide Body ;

IMHO, it is not that easy to return back excess capacity at will. There will be penalties, especially in this environment where there is a glut of jets sitting idle.

TK *needed* capacity quickly, so I doubt the terms are favorable.

The leasing companies need revenue, so they will play hardball. Too many modern, but prior generation aircraft will be returned quickly. That will push leasing companies to hold airlines to terms.

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Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:14 am

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TK cut from 2 daily to 1 daily to AMS since last week. Not enough demand? Hard to believe since I flew during the pandemic on a sold out B777. DUS still gets 3 trips a day. Not counting AJ.


They still fly 2 daily flights on most days. I don’t know why they cancel flights on some days. August will be 3 daily flighrts again, if nothing changes. TK1958 is still out of sight.
 
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Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:55 am

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Quick head-up to anyone having had TK flights cancelled over the last few days and looking to use the online change facility.

Had the outbound IST - CAI cancelled in the early hours of Thursday morning, but found the online system wasn't working. Thankfully I was able to sort things very quickly with a very helpful lass, in their London Sales Office, although it did mean switching to earlier flights and arriving in Cairo at 01:20, with the onward domestic flight, to LXR, not opening for check-in for another 8 hours; this is too short a time to travel into the city, for a hotel and too long to let you stay in the terminal.

However, the return CAI - IST, evening flight was cancelled first thing this morning and, although the online system is working, it only offered "Economy Promotional" flights, which isn't what you want, when you've booked Business. Doesn't matter how often you look to do things online, or whether you look at a codeshare with MS, the same thing happens. There's also the problem that the TK operated service departs CAI 02:20, and gets you to IST with only 1:45 between flights; I'm not certain this is possible with current changes; also means I get back to the UK 24 hours earlier, and cocks up the car parking booking, and Cairo hotel booking to boot.

I've lodged a query via the main TK website COVID-19 page and will update further, as either this, or telephone changes, may be the best way to proceed for others in this situation.


Bit delayed in updating, sorry, as it's been a hectic few days in the office.

Managed to get through to the TK Customer service Call Centre, at the second attempt; thought this rather good for a Monday morning.

Again, the lad on the other end of the phone was most helpful and, after explaining the situation, and that I wasn't bothered about a 15 minute change in the MAN - IST & IST - MAN departure times, we went through the options for getting back to the UK from Cairo, without having to re-arrange everything else I'd got in place.

The booking system wouldn't allow for taking the very early morning CAI - IST service, with a 24 hour plus stop over in Istanbul, and he appreciated my apprehension over a 1:45 transfer time , at IST, on the Monday.

He then booked me onto the Sunday morning, 09:40, MS code share, CAI - IST service, waiving the £250 (ish) fare difference, and allowing the best part of 24 hours between flights. Note that, if I now decide to change / cancel flights again, voluntarily, the normal change/cancellation penalties for a semi-flex ticket will apply.

Admittedly, the changes did mean I needed to find hotels in Cairo, outbound, and Istanbul, inbound, but this is a minor issue, as I've used points for one and found a place within 15 minutes of IST for Euro 48, B&B, which is about half of what I'd have lost if I'd had to cancel and rebook airport parking in the UK.

Actually quite pleased with the Customer Service from TK in this instance.
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Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:21 am

Is it possible that this frame, TC-LLD; spend 20 hours on the ground at SFO, for its return flight back to IST?
https://www.flightradar24.com/THY25K/24f59d06

By the way, this is the first year anniversary of the first TK 787-9 LH flight to Bali. How the time passes by???
 
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Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:02 pm

Pegasus, already serving 20 International destinations, will add:
August 1st: Tbilisi, Tehran, Baghdad, Erbil, Doha, Bishkek, Hurghada, Sharm el sheik, Moscow, Krasnodar, Grozny, Mineralnye Vody
August 2nd: Hannover, Geneva
August 10th: Casablanca
August 15th: Prague, Marseille, Rome, Barcelona, Budapest, Bucharest, Jeddah, Riyadh
 
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Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:48 pm

I can’t believe they are still considering to fly to cities where coronavirus is spreading like fire. Tehran & US are dangerous.
 
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Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:02 pm

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I can’t believe they are still considering to fly to cities where coronavirus is spreading like fire. Tehran & US are dangerous.


What else can they do? Should societies self-destruct until a vaccine is available? So many societies had strict lockdowns and once restrictions were lifted infections started exploding once again. Whole point is not to isolate yourself like North Korea but to ramp up you health system so that it can cope with this new reality.
 
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Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:00 pm

Blerg wrote:
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I can’t believe they are still considering to fly to cities where coronavirus is spreading like fire. Tehran & US are dangerous.


What else can they do? Should societies self-destruct until a vaccine is available? So many societies had strict lockdowns and once restrictions were lifted infections started exploding once again. Whole point is not to isolate yourself like North Korea but to ramp up you health system so that it can cope with this new reality.


I don't know...NOT fly to places where cases are exploding??? The EU isn't allowing anyone from the US on its teritory BECAUSE cases are exploding over there.

The point is keeping infection rates low so your health system CAN cope, you won't be able to do that if cases start to skyrocket... or do you plan to build hospitals every 30 meters or so??
 
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Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:23 pm

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OTTOMANAIR wrote:
I can’t believe they are still considering to fly to cities where coronavirus is spreading like fire. Tehran & US are dangerous.


What else can they do? Should societies self-destruct until a vaccine is available? So many societies had strict lockdowns and once restrictions were lifted infections started exploding once again. Whole point is not to isolate yourself like North Korea but to ramp up you health system so that it can cope with this new reality.


I don't know...NOT fly to places where cases are exploding??? The EU isn't allowing anyone from the US on its teritory BECAUSE cases are exploding over there.

The point is keeping infection rates low so your health system CAN cope, you won't be able to do that if cases start to skyrocket... or do you plan to build hospitals every 30 meters or so??


That's not the case for the Netherlands. US is not a red zone but orange. I dont know about other European countries but you can travel from the US to the Netherlands but will be advised to quarantine at arrival.

Good to see leisure travel to Turkey picking up again for UK citizens.
 
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Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:30 pm

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Will TK return back any of the following Wide Body ;

IMHO, it is not that easy to return back excess capacity at will. There will be penalties, especially in this environment where there is a glut of jets sitting idle.

Indeed. For a start you bring forward the the final balloon payment to the termination date on each aircraft returned, instead of the lease expiry date, and trigger financial covenant breaches affecting ordered aircraft and most / all finance, including all leases.

However, it's unlikely full lease payments are being made. New / low year aircraft leases include low use, and even no use lease rates. And virtually every ultimate owner has or is negotiating COVID terms, including discounts, holidays and forgiveness of lease payments.
Ditto for engine owners and maintenance. And in turn accommodation from their financiers.

Better to have the lessee responsible and paying for storage / protection than lessor receiving no payments. No-one wants leased aircraft back (for now).
 
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Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:51 pm

I saw on Seatguru 2 A321neo layouts, one of which has 34 rows but the same capacity as the 32-row A321neo. Are any of these 34-row neos in service yet/are they due soon? They have the A350 seat map up too, which is why I'm asking if the aforementioned A321neos are due to be delivered soon enough.
 
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Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:52 pm

Here is a photo of 1st A350 for TK in storage in LDE https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/50121248228/
Let's hope all 5 get delivered.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:34 am

EI-EPB Ryanair to Bodrum çirkled above Bodrum for a while and diverted to Izmir. Anyone know why?
 
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Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:04 am

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EI-EPB Ryanair to Bodrum çirkled above Bodrum for a while and diverted to Izmir. Anyone know why?


Supposedly because Anadolu Jet TK7151 took a hit from a foreign object and returned back to the gate so incoming planes diverted. But the runway is cleared now.
 
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Sat Jul 18, 2020 1:41 pm

Greece issues NOTAM banning all commercial flights to/from Turkey until the 31st July.

https://greekcitytimes.com/2020/07/17/g ... ive-notam/
 
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Greece issues NOTAM banning all commercial flights to/from Turkey until the 31st July.

https://greekcitytimes.com/2020/07/17/g ... ive-notam/


Not just Turkey and to quote the article others include Sweden , North Macedonia and Albania.


'' The Hellenic Civil Aviation Authority on Thursday issued an aviation directive (NOTAM), regarding flights from Sweden, Turkey, Albania and North Macedonia.

According to the NOTAM, flights have been banned to and from Sweden until Sunday, July 19 (23:59pm), and banned to and from Turkey until Friday, July 31 (midnight).

There are exceptions including: cargo flights, sanitary flights, humanitarian flights, aircraft return flights only with its crew (ferry flights), state flights, emergency flights, military flights (except to and from Turkey), Frontex flights, fire fighting flights, technical landings (flights that have technical damage without the need to disembark the passengers), National Health System support flights and approved repatriation flights of Greek citizens.

Due to the rise of coronavirus cases in Albania and North Macedonia, the NOTAM states that all flights from these two countries to Greece are only allowed to land at Athens International Airport Eleftherios Venizelos. They are banned from all other airports in Greece until July 31.''
 
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Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:10 pm

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Blerg wrote:
Greece issues NOTAM banning all commercial flights to/from Turkey until the 31st July.

https://greekcitytimes.com/2020/07/17/g ... ive-notam/


Not just Turkey and to quote the article others include Sweden , North Macedonia and Albania.


'' The Hellenic Civil Aviation Authority on Thursday issued an aviation directive (NOTAM), regarding flights from Sweden, Turkey, Albania and North Macedonia.

According to the NOTAM, flights have been banned to and from Sweden until Sunday, July 19 (23:59pm), and banned to and from Turkey until Friday, July 31 (midnight).

There are exceptions including: cargo flights, sanitary flights, humanitarian flights, aircraft return flights only with its crew (ferry flights), state flights, emergency flights, military flights (except to and from Turkey), Frontex flights, fire fighting flights, technical landings (flights that have technical damage without the need to disembark the passengers), National Health System support flights and approved repatriation flights of Greek citizens.

Due to the rise of coronavirus cases in Albania and North Macedonia, the NOTAM states that all flights from these two countries to Greece are only allowed to land at Athens International Airport Eleftherios Venizelos. They are banned from all other airports in Greece until July 31.''


Obviously but this is a Turkish aviation thread so those other ones are really not that relevant. Also, for North Macedonia and Albania, commercial flights can still operate in and out of ATH, something that's not the case with Turkey.
 
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Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:14 pm

Why now? Daily cases are on a positive down trend.
 
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Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:34 pm

Blerg wrote:
OA260 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Greece issues NOTAM banning all commercial flights to/from Turkey until the 31st July.

https://greekcitytimes.com/2020/07/17/g ... ive-notam/


Not just Turkey and to quote the article others include Sweden , North Macedonia and Albania.


'' The Hellenic Civil Aviation Authority on Thursday issued an aviation directive (NOTAM), regarding flights from Sweden, Turkey, Albania and North Macedonia.

According to the NOTAM, flights have been banned to and from Sweden until Sunday, July 19 (23:59pm), and banned to and from Turkey until Friday, July 31 (midnight).

There are exceptions including: cargo flights, sanitary flights, humanitarian flights, aircraft return flights only with its crew (ferry flights), state flights, emergency flights, military flights (except to and from Turkey), Frontex flights, fire fighting flights, technical landings (flights that have technical damage without the need to disembark the passengers), National Health System support flights and approved repatriation flights of Greek citizens.

Due to the rise of coronavirus cases in Albania and North Macedonia, the NOTAM states that all flights from these two countries to Greece are only allowed to land at Athens International Airport Eleftherios Venizelos. They are banned from all other airports in Greece until July 31.''


Obviously but this is a Turkish aviation thread so those other ones are really not that relevant. Also, for North Macedonia and Albania, commercial flights can still operate in and out of ATH, something that's not the case with Turkey.


Indeed but your post looked like it was only Turkey and did not provide the usual general rule of thumb to quote at least the first paragraph/lines so other members can get the general content of the article without having to click into it. Not the end of the world but always a courtesy to others.

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Why now? Daily cases are on a positive down trend.


Well they are still high and every country has their own parameters . Take Ireland for instance they will be issuing a so called Green list on Monday and it is expected to exclude its nearest neighbour Great Britain. Turkey as of yesterday had 933 new cases and 21 deaths.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:06 pm

Υes....Serbia,Israel.,Sweden...and the measures change depending on the data they get every 2weeks for every country... Flights from UK opened just a few days ago...so it s not political...Turkey is not doing good yet...Neither are the States or other countries
Flying is breathing..no planes no life..
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:45 pm

Discussion of topics unrelated to aviation belong in the Non Aviation Forum. Please keep this discussion aviation based.

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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2020

Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:42 pm

Looking at flightradar, it is nice to see the TK Atlantic crossing group, back to back:
77W: LAX, JFK, IAD, ORD
787: SFO, MIA, YYZ
333: YUL

And for information, the latest TK crew protocol banned the crew leaving the hotels at outposts and eliminated per diems. All TK crew have to stay at the hotel and have to order room service meals during layovers. I wonder how they are doing? For example in NYC, they used to stay at the ROW hotel on 8th ave and 44th street in Manhattan. It would be very hard to monitor the crew not leaving the hotel.

NOTE: TK website says JFK will go to daily on August 1st and TK will also start EWR daily on August 1st. :crossfingers:
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2020

Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:05 pm

Iran and Afghanistan flights are postponed until further notice.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2020

Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:24 am

https://tolgaozbek.com/haberler/havayol ... a3L8ZGGS-o
from tolgaozbek.com; TK's EWR flight postponed till August 21st and now 3 X Weekly. It still shows 7 X W and August1st start on TK's own website.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2020

Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:54 pm

I guess finally, we have one of the 4 ready TK 787-9s getting delivered today:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/THY ... /KPAE/LTFM
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2020

Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:51 am

Why does Pegasus serve Kyiv to Ankara route? Why would Ankara be any relevant to Ukraine? Not sure if there is enough Turkish diaspora in Ukraine to demand that. Wouldnt Antalya make more sense since that is their 1. destination? And especially when PC dont even offer direct Ankara flights from Amsterdam where to 500.000 Turkish diaspora live. (Only SXS 2x a week and AJ 1x a week.) I see a lot of potential routes that are not tapped into and then routes like this that Im not sure about.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2020

Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:52 am

Here is the photo of TC-LLM before its delivery flight:
http://www.paineairport.com/kpae18464r.htm
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2020

Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:04 am

According to Routes Online TK has moved forward YVR operations by one day https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -24-hours/

Turkish Airlines yesterday (23JUL20) filed service changes for planned Istanbul – Vancouver service. Due to adjustment of operational days in September, first flight is scheduled on 02SEP20, instead of 03SEP20. 787-9 Dreamliner operates this route 3 times weekly.

Despite this new adjustment, further changes remain likely in the next few weeks.

TK075 IST1405 – 1550YVR 789 357
TK076 YVR1720 – 1450+1IST 789 357

With the arrival into IST mid afternoon what are connections like into other countries ?
 
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Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:25 pm

TC-LSY has entered service today, I believe it is TK's 20th A321neo.
 
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Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:59 pm

AirbusA343 wrote:
TC-LSY has entered service today, I believe it is TK's 20th A321neo.


What will the next series of registration be?

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