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ClassicLover
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Re: Irish 7/20

Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:24 am

BrianDromey wrote:
You pay taxes for essential public services. Allowing discretionary or business travel is not one of these, in my opinion. Many would argue that essential services are already underfunded, but that’s an argument for another day. My view would be that if you want to travel and a COVID test is a requirement to enter then the traveler or their employer needs to meet that cost. Just like ESTA, VISA costs or vaccinations for anything else.
The Iceland government requires travellers to pay for their test on arrival. It’s roughly €70. If you want to enter, that’s what you pay, they won’t accept tests from elsewhere. Covid tests for travel are not available on the NHS and private tests in London range from £150-300.


I think your logic is pretty sound here, equating it to things like vaccinations and Visa costs and so on. The Icelandic model is what I'd prefer. I wouldn't want to have to sort out my own test and bring along the results. Dubai and Abu Dhabi are now requiring tests to enter, transit and exit, which has got to be a travel killer. You have to wonder if we'll even have an airline industry in six months time if this kind of thing keeps up. Otherwise us taxpayers are in for some huge bills to keep the airlines afloat.
I do enjoy a spot of flying, especially when it's not in economy!
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:33 am

Call for Cork airport to get State aid as Covid-19 eats away its revenues
Shannon Group to warn that Government travel restrictions threaten multi-national investment and will cause job losses

Cork airport should get State aid alongside regional gateways such as Knock and Kerry as Covid-19 has almost wiped out its revenues, TDs and Senators will hear Tuesday.

Dublin and Cork airports are losing €1 million a day between them, according to a submission to the Oireachtas Special Committee on Covid-19 Response by the DAA, the State company responsible for both airports.

www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-a ... 3?mode=amp



Revenue seeks clarifications before agreeing to CityJet survival scheme
Scheme would save 146 Irish jobs, counsel for airline’s examiner tells High Court

Revenue is seeking clarification of “important” issues before deciding its position on an application next week for High Court approval of a survival scheme for Irish regional airline CityJet.

www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-a ... 1?mode=amp



Test passengers for Covid-19 before they fly here - daa

The organisation that manages Dublin and Cork airports will tell politicians today there may be merit in testing passengers for coronavirus before they fly from non-Green List countries to Ireland.

At a hearing of the Oireachtas Committee on Covid-19 Response, executives from the daa will propose pursuing "an evidence-based system" for the countries excluded from the Green List.

The State-owned company will suggest that "passengers are required to undertake a Covid-19 test 72 hours or less before travel and submit proof of a negative test prior to travel".

www.rte.ie/news/2020/0727/1155898-daa-c ... t-testing/
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:41 am

ClassicLover wrote:
Dubai and Abu Dhabi are now requiring tests to enter, transit and exit, which has got to be a travel killer. You have to wonder if we'll even have an airline industry in six months time if this kind of thing keeps up. Otherwise us taxpayers are in for some huge bills to keep the airlines afloat.


It’s extremely strict approach in the UAE indeed. I guess the logic would be to try to ensure no one with COVID gets into an airport/onto an aircraft, most of the UAE flights are long-haul and/or widebodies, which theoretically increase exposure. I think tests will be part of the new normal.

I think the travel advice and rapid changes in it will be more damaging than the testing, to be honest.
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:56 am

Both know that if COVID gets into their sole hub that it would be a disaster.

Less of a problem for airlines doing mostly point to point.
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:55 pm

Aer Lingus says travel recovery slower than expected

Demand has been weaker than Aer Lingus expected five or six weeks ago amid continued coronavirus restrictions and opposition to international travel in Ireland, its chief executive Sean Doyle said.

Ireland has just 15 countries on its approved Green List list and is demanding travellers from countries including Britain, Spain and the US to quarantine.

www.rte.ie/amp/1156043/



Aer Lingus confirms talks with workers on job losses
Ryanair warns of long-term economic damage if travel restrictions continue

Aer Lingus is in talks with workers on job losses at the airline, its chief executive, Sean Doyle, confirmed to TDs and senators on Tuesday.

Responding to fears that Aer Lingus could be wound up, Mr Doyle told the Oireachtas Special Committee on Covid-19 Response, that the company was in consultations with workers and their representatives.

The airline has already formally told the Government that it could have to seek up to 500 redundancies from its 4,500 workers

www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-a ... 4?mode=amp
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:33 pm

OA260 wrote:
Aer Lingus says travel recovery slower than expected


It certainly going to be a difficult time and a bumpy ride for all involved over the next few months. Back in March I was hopeful that things would be back to 'normal' by my Birthday in June, certainly by August, a September holiday seemed likely. Yet here we still are wondering if schools will go back in September. Im beginning to wonder if Sking in Feb/March might even be too much to hope for.

I read with interest that Swissport and Collison are trialling a COVID test on arrival at LHR, forecast to cost ~£140. We have been discussing testing here over the past few days, I didn't realise that the false negative rate for asymptomatic people exposed to COVID-19 within 48 hours is 100%. So anyone exposed to COVID-19 during travel will test negative and then proceed to 'normal' life, potentially spreading the disease until they become symptomatic. The UK government are considering requiring negative COVID tests before arrival and testing 8 days after that negative test, which may seem like overkill but when the limitations of testing are considered, seems sound reasoning. Of course this means that short trips of less than a week will be the most heavily impacted.
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:58 pm

In addition to Santorini, Ryanair announce Dublin to Corfu and Dublin to Mykonos:

https://corporate.ryanair.com/news/due- ... ?market=ie
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:52 pm

If they propose passengers having a test costing £140 before arrival, followed by another £140 test after a week, (with passengers presumably quarantined in between) then the number of passengers will be minimal.
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:27 pm

bennett123 wrote:
If they propose passengers having a test costing £140 before arrival, followed by another £140 test after a week, (with passengers presumably quarantined in between) then the number of passengers will be minimal.


Indeed would probably be less then currently and thats low .

Simon Harris said in an interview yesterday he does not want Irish holidaymakers at airports at all this year and then there is the current topic being debated including racial profiling by the Irish authorities. Quite ironic really given historical complaints .


WELFARE CHECKS Coronavirus in Ireland – Dublin Airport Authority ‘not aware’ of social welfare inspectors questioning passengers

www.thesun.ie/news/5712901/coronavirus- ... s-pup/amp/



Family says it had child benefit cancelled after going on holidays

Musician says pandemic unemployment payment stopped after he gave passport details to gardaí

A family who said they had had their child benefit payments stopped aftergoing on holidays were among those to tell their stories as details emerged of those impacted by a change in policy by the Government.

Roman Shorthall said he and his wife were flying to Romania on June 13th with their two children when there was a checkpoint at their boarding gate at Dublin Airport. Two Gardai and two social welfare inspectors were stopping each passenger in the queue, he told Liveline on RTE Radio 1.

www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-n ... 8?mode=amp
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:58 pm

Not sure what the law is in Ireland.

In the UK, to receive Unemployment Benefit, you need to be available for work.

If you are overseas, you are not available.
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:44 pm

bennett123 wrote:
Not sure what the law is in Ireland.

In the UK, to receive Unemployment Benefit, you need to be available for work.

If you are overseas, you are not available.


Its actually not about that its a whole bigger issue you probably need to be a local here on the ground to understand the systems and new COVID payments etc and you never lost child benefit and even on unemployment benefit you were allowed two weeks holiday . Its about data protection issues and human rights . So much so that Dublin Airport have had to issue press releases to avert a PR disaster about their data processing procedures and airlines too.


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If you read Dublin Airports twitter post you will get a better idea of whats going on.
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:58 pm

The Oireachtas Committee on aviation is available to watch here;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jejntVzB8fE

It's infuriating viewing at times, the politicians appear to be ill prepared and lack a basic understanding of the industry, in some cases they are just plain ignorant and are too concerned with appearing to play the white knight act for their constituents than listen to the aviation professionals. Sean Doyle of Aer Lingus and Eddie Wilson of Ryanair are mostly singing from the same hymn sheet but must have grown tired of the inane parish politics they were faced with.

Sean Doyle does speak about the urgency in getting a practical testing solution in place at airports, Labour TD in full agreement but astonished we're only in the early stages of discussions this far down the line. Eddie Wilson remarks that the EU already has the framework in place but Ireland isn't taking part.

When questioned on state support, Sean Doyle says Aer Lingus is doing its bit to support itself and reorganise its business, as are the other IAG group airlines but both Spain and the UK have provided additional support beyond wage schemes for their aviation sectors, he mentions airlines such as Ryanair and Wizz have also been able to avail of this support while Ireland has yet to propose anything.

Then you have the "what about Shannon" crowd. One asking why Aer Lingus didn't relocate Shannon cabin crew to Dublin via a minibus?! It's conspiracy theory level madness from some of these politicians.

It's around 2 hours in length and there's a lot to unpack from the CEO's but its clear these committees are largely just theatre for the politicians.
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:16 pm

Apparently AC will use 737 MAX on YUL-DUB for next summer
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Re: Irish 7/20

Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:21 pm

shamrock350 wrote:
The Oireachtas Committee on aviation is available to watch here;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jejntVzB8fE

It's infuriating viewing at times, the politicians appear to be ill prepared and lack a basic understanding of the industry, in some cases they are just plain ignorant and are too concerned with appearing to play the white knight act for their constituents than listen to the aviation professionals. Sean Doyle of Aer Lingus and Eddie Wilson of Ryanair are mostly singing from the same hymn sheet but must have grown tired of the inane parish politics they were faced with.

Sean Doyle does speak about the urgency in getting a practical testing solution in place at airports, Labour TD in full agreement but astonished we're only in the early stages of discussions this far down the line. Eddie Wilson remarks that the EU already has the framework in place but Ireland isn't taking part.

When questioned on state support, Sean Doyle says Aer Lingus is doing its bit to support itself and reorganise its business, as are the other IAG group airlines but both Spain and the UK have provided additional support beyond wage schemes for their aviation sectors, he mentions airlines such as Ryanair and Wizz have also been able to avail of this support while Ireland has yet to propose anything.

Then you have the "what about Shannon" crowd. One asking why Aer Lingus didn't relocate Shannon cabin crew to Dublin via a minibus?! It's conspiracy theory level madness from some of these politicians.

It's around 2 hours in length and there's a lot to unpack from the CEO's but its clear these committees are largely just theatre for the politicians.


The current Irish government have lost the plot . I was with them all the way up until June but not now. Data violations that would make Priti Patel look good and worrying intimidation tactics at airports. Trying to get away with pay rises when thousands are set to loose their jobs. They are like headless chickens and still we have to listen to that slimy Leo ! If a second wave comes here it will be on a wing and a prayer.
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:45 pm

OA260 wrote:
shamrock350 wrote:
The Oireachtas Committee on aviation is available to watch here;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jejntVzB8fE

It's infuriating viewing at times, the politicians appear to be ill prepared and lack a basic understanding of the industry, in some cases they are just plain ignorant and are too concerned with appearing to play the white knight act for their constituents than listen to the aviation professionals. Sean Doyle of Aer Lingus and Eddie Wilson of Ryanair are mostly singing from the same hymn sheet but must have grown tired of the inane parish politics they were faced with.

Sean Doyle does speak about the urgency in getting a practical testing solution in place at airports, Labour TD in full agreement but astonished we're only in the early stages of discussions this far down the line. Eddie Wilson remarks that the EU already has the framework in place but Ireland isn't taking part.

When questioned on state support, Sean Doyle says Aer Lingus is doing its bit to support itself and reorganise its business, as are the other IAG group airlines but both Spain and the UK have provided additional support beyond wage schemes for their aviation sectors, he mentions airlines such as Ryanair and Wizz have also been able to avail of this support while Ireland has yet to propose anything.

Then you have the "what about Shannon" crowd. One asking why Aer Lingus didn't relocate Shannon cabin crew to Dublin via a minibus?! It's conspiracy theory level madness from some of these politicians.

It's around 2 hours in length and there's a lot to unpack from the CEO's but its clear these committees are largely just theatre for the politicians.


The current Irish government have lost the plot . I was with them all the way up until June but not now. Data violations that would make Priti Patel look good and worrying intimidation tactics at airports. Trying to get away with pay rises when thousands are set to loose their jobs. They are like headless chickens and still we have to listen to that slimy Leo ! If a second wave comes here it will be on a wing and a prayer.


I'm sure most of us could spend a lot of time rightfully tearing into this government and individual politicians from various angles but keeping purely on the topic of our aviation industry, they really have blown it! The committee, granted a cross party appointment and not solely government, was wasted on point scoring, parish politics and poorly prepared questions by people not willing to understand or even listen to the answers.

Only one or two members of that committee had questions of any worth to the issues facing aviation and the economy, the rest treated both CEO's like enemies of the people.
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:28 am

Eirules wrote:
Apparently AC will use 737 MAX on YUL-DUB for next summer


I believe they sell the domestic business cabin as Premium Economy on this route too (with basically the same hard product as American Airlines in Domestic First/International PE). Not a bad little number for what is essentially a 5 hour flight.
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:57 am

OA260 wrote:
shamrock350 wrote:
The Oireachtas Committee on aviation is available to watch here;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jejntVzB8fE

It's infuriating viewing at times, the politicians appear to be ill prepared and lack a basic understanding of the industry, in some cases they are just plain ignorant and are too concerned with appearing to play the white knight act for their constituents than listen to the aviation professionals. Sean Doyle of Aer Lingus and Eddie Wilson of Ryanair are mostly singing from the same hymn sheet but must have grown tired of the inane parish politics they were faced with.

Sean Doyle does speak about the urgency in getting a practical testing solution in place at airports, Labour TD in full agreement but astonished we're only in the early stages of discussions this far down the line. Eddie Wilson remarks that the EU already has the framework in place but Ireland isn't taking part.

When questioned on state support, Sean Doyle says Aer Lingus is doing its bit to support itself and reorganise its business, as are the other IAG group airlines but both Spain and the UK have provided additional support beyond wage schemes for their aviation sectors, he mentions airlines such as Ryanair and Wizz have also been able to avail of this support while Ireland has yet to propose anything.

Then you have the "what about Shannon" crowd. One asking why Aer Lingus didn't relocate Shannon cabin crew to Dublin via a minibus?! It's conspiracy theory level madness from some of these politicians.

It's around 2 hours in length and there's a lot to unpack from the CEO's but its clear these committees are largely just theatre for the politicians.


The current Irish government have lost the plot . I was with them all the way up until June but not now. Data violations that would make Priti Patel look good and worrying intimidation tactics at airports. Trying to get away with pay rises when thousands are set to loose their jobs. They are like headless chickens and still we have to listen to that slimy Leo ! If a second wave comes here it will be on a wing and a prayer.


I’ve been saying it with months now but unfortunately much of what I said on here fell on deaf ears. This government is so utterly incapable of engaging with Aviation, of supporting the recommencement of Business Travel etc that it’s disgusting and shameful.
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Re: Irish 7/20

Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:28 am

Aer Lingus ‘have killed loyalty of Shannon Airport & its workers’

Clare Councillors are calling on Aer Lingus CEO Sean Doyle to reinstate flights in and out of Shannon, citing that a single Aer Lingus aircraft has not left the ground there since April 5th.

Cllr Pat McMahon (FF) raised the motion at a Council meeting in Glór stating that the Aer Lingus workers have been let down badly and that the loyalty to Aer Lingus and the airport has been killed in one stroke. The motion draws on a stark comparison of the sterility of Aer Lingus at Shannon Airport, noting that the major airline is already operating flights between Belfast, Cork and Dublin, disregarding Shannon and ultimately perceiving the airport as weak.

www.clareecho.ie/aer-lingus-have-killed ... s-workers/



Revenue tells High Court it won't oppose rescue scheme set up for CityJet

The Revenue Commissioners will not oppose an application to the High Court to approve a survival scheme for regional airline CityJet.

During a brief hearing before the High Court yesterday, Mr Justice Michael Quinn heard that Revenue has obtained clarification from the airline's court-appointed examiner on what it regards as important issues.

The examiner, Kieran Wallace of KPMG, is recommending the scheme, which has the support of the majority of the airline's creditors, be approved.

https://amp.independent.ie/business/iri ... 06401.html
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:46 pm

For comparison:

IAG:
British Airways - £300 million from the UK
Iberia - €1 billion from Spain

Lufthansa group:
Lufthansa - €9 billion from Germany
Swiss International Airlines - €1.5 billion from Switzerland
Austrian Airlines - €600 million from Austria
Brussels Airlines - €460 million from Belgium

AF-KLM group:
Air France - €7 billion from France
KLM - €3.4 billion from Netherlands.

Elsewhere:
Alitalia - €3 billion from Italy
TAP - €1.2 billion from Portugal
Finnair - €886 million from Finland
SAS - €592 million from Norway, Sweden & Denmark
Easyjet - £600 million from UK
Ryanair - £600 million from UK

Transatlantic market:
American Airlines, United Airlines and Delta Airlines are sharing a US federal bailout of $25 billion.
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:55 pm

With FR new flight to Mykonos, is this first direct ever to the island?

Also at well over 4 hours, what is range of Ryanair aircraft fully loaded, with bad weather and diversion fuel
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:20 pm

Irishbean wrote:
With FR new flight to Mykonos, is this first direct ever to the island?

Also at well over 4 hours, what is range of Ryanair aircraft fully loaded, with bad weather and diversion fuel


Yes AFAIK the first regular direct scheduled service. XL Airways did charter flights to JTR when they flew out of DUB but I dont ever remember JMK. Great to see so many direct options to the Greek Islands. Locals are more then happy to see these routes even though people are a bit nervous on the ground and hoping that cases of COVID still remain very low.
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:22 pm

CarbHeatIn wrote:
For comparison:

IAG:
British Airways - £300 million from the UK
Iberia - €1 billion from Spain

Lufthansa group:
Lufthansa - €9 billion from Germany
Swiss International Airlines - €1.5 billion from Switzerland
Austrian Airlines - €600 million from Austria
Brussels Airlines - €460 million from Belgium

AF-KLM group:
Air France - €7 billion from France
KLM - €3.4 billion from Netherlands.

Elsewhere:
Alitalia - €3 billion from Italy
TAP - €1.2 billion from Portugal
Finnair - €886 million from Finland
SAS - €592 million from Norway, Sweden & Denmark
Easyjet - £600 million from UK
Ryanair - £600 million from UK

Transatlantic market:
American Airlines, United Airlines and Delta Airlines are sharing a US federal bailout of $25 billion.


Ultimately, I think that the govt will need to look at providing some assistance to Aer Lingus.

Can't help wondering if Italy's help to AZ is for different reasons, like "it's a Tuesday".

Do the same rules apply; clearly, this pandemic is unprecedented and poses a serious threat to all airlines and we know that the EU has to approve the investments, but it would be interesting to see what conditions apply to AZ, which is in a far less healthy financial position than say IB, LH or KL. What conditions does the EU apply to such assistance and do the carriers have to satisfy any conditions? I understand that AF has to pare back its domestic flights, for example.
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:33 pm

IATA do not expect travel to bounce back until 2024 https://www.iata.org/en/pressroom/pr/2020-07-28-02/

At this stage we have to accept that we need to live with Covid for the long term so we should be planning accordingly. The govt will need to up their game in dealing with this. National lockdowns like we saw in March are not viable, so there will need to be lots more testing along with more targeted lockdowns whenever an outbreak occurs. It also means there is likely a ceiling on how far we get with re-opening, we might already be close to that point.

Many businesses are going to close and the contraction in the tax base is going to restrict the ability of the government to keep supporting the overall economy. Hard decisions will have to be made and I would not be too optimistic that EI will get much in the way of money when the government sit down to decide where to spend their dwindling resources.
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:42 pm

Irishbean wrote:
With FR new flight to Mykonos, is this first direct ever to the island?

Also at well over 4 hours, what is range of Ryanair aircraft fully loaded, with bad weather and diversion fuel

Open to correction but I think Tenerife-Warsaw is FR's longest route at 2,209nm and 5:25 in duration.

The world's longest 73H route is Panama City-Montevideo (according to Wiki) with Copa Airlines at 2,941nm and 7:35 duration.

So FR should be okay with this route.
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:56 pm

AmricanShamrok wrote:
Irishbean wrote:
With FR new flight to Mykonos, is this first direct ever to the island?

Also at well over 4 hours, what is range of Ryanair aircraft fully loaded, with bad weather and diversion fuel

Open to correction but I think Tenerife-Warsaw is FR's longest route at 2,209nm and 5:25 in duration.

The world's longest 73H route is Panama City-Montevideo (according to Wiki) with Copa Airlines at 2,941nm and 7:35 duration.

So FR should be okay with this route.


Dublin to Paphos on FR is even longer than Dublin to Mykonos.
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:00 pm

bennett123 wrote:
Not sure what the law is in Ireland.

In the UK, to receive Unemployment Benefit, you need to be available for work.

If you are overseas, you are not available.


Not correct. You can go on holiday by giving notice and obtaining approval
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:27 pm

AmricanShamrok wrote:
Irishbean wrote:
With FR new flight to Mykonos, is this first direct ever to the island?

Also at well over 4 hours, what is range of Ryanair aircraft fully loaded, with bad weather and diversion fuel

Open to correction but I think Tenerife-Warsaw is FR's longest route at 2,209nm and 5:25 in duration.

The world's longest 73H route is Panama City-Montevideo (according to Wiki) with Copa Airlines at 2,941nm and 7:35 duration.

So FR should be okay with this route.


I would agree its Warsaw-TFS now. It was NYO-TFS 2655 miles scheduled for 6h05m (5h50m ex TFS).
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:44 pm

Vicenza wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
Not sure what the law is in Ireland.

In the UK, to receive Unemployment Benefit, you need to be available for work.

If you are overseas, you are not available.


Not correct. You can go on holiday by giving notice and obtaining approval


If you are on Jobseekers payment, you may have two weeks holiday per year, with approval from your Intreo centre. You're right on that one.

The Pandemic Unemployment Payment (PUP) is not payable for any period you spend outside Ireland - so you do not get paid if you leave the country, even for a holiday.
I do enjoy a spot of flying, especially when it's not in economy!
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Wed Jul 29, 2020 7:15 pm

kaitak wrote:
Ultimately, I think that the govt will need to look at providing some assistance to Aer Lingus.

Can't help wondering if Italy's help to AZ is for different reasons, like "it's a Tuesday".

Do the same rules apply; clearly, this pandemic is unprecedented and poses a serious threat to all airlines and we know that the EU has to approve the investments, but it would be interesting to see what conditions apply to AZ, which is in a far less healthy financial position than say IB, LH or KL. What conditions does the EU apply to such assistance and do the carriers have to satisfy any conditions? I understand that AF has to pare back its domestic flights, for example.


Ryanair were quite happy to receive a £600 million ‘loan’ from the UK govt to prop up their balance sheet. They are not calling for state aid directly but are calling for costs and charges to be waived by state owned airports.

State aid rules have gone out the window as every other country realises the importance of having connectivity.

Most of this assistance is in the form of favorable loans/loan guarantees. A Credit guarantee in the case of SAS and direct state aid/ recapitalisation for Finnair, Lufthansa, Austrian Airlines, Swiss and Brussels Airlines. Alitalia has been renationalised.

I would be amazed if Aer Lingus are not looking for similar support, albeit they haven’t asked publicly. (Share price considerations?) I don’t believe BA or Iberia asked publicly either but were happy to take it.

Aer Lingus reportedly losing €1.5 million per day. The transatlantic market, the driver of their recent financial success has been vaporized and is not coming back anytime soon. Their European network is limited by the most restrictive travel regime in the EU. Most of their long haul fleet and half of their short haul fleet is in long term storage. Financial results on Friday will tell a tale.

Cityjet gone from Ireland and Stobart on the brink. At least Ryanair has only 8% of their operations in Ireland and can move assets to other countries as they open up.

Aviation, the MOST affected industry, wasn’t even mentioned in the “July stimulus” in the country which is probably most reliant on it from an economic point of view.
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Wed Jul 29, 2020 7:32 pm

ClassicLover wrote:
Vicenza wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
Not sure what the law is in Ireland.

In the UK, to receive Unemployment Benefit, you need to be available for work.

If you are overseas, you are not available.


Not correct. You can go on holiday by giving notice and obtaining approval


If you are on Jobseekers payment, you may have two weeks holiday per year, with approval from your Intreo centre. You're right on that one.

The Pandemic Unemployment Payment (PUP) is not payable for any period you spend outside Ireland - so you do not get paid if you leave the country, even for a holiday.


Another day another government U Turn !

Dáil told PUP recipients won't have payment cut over travel to green list countries

People on the Pandemic Unemployment Payment who travel to green list countries will continue to receive their payments.

www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0729/1 ... t-payment/
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:01 pm

OA260 wrote:
Another day another government U Turn !

Dáil told PUP recipients won't have payment cut over travel to green list countries

People on the Pandemic Unemployment Payment who travel to green list countries will continue to receive their payments.

http://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020 ... t-payment/


Quite - I literally looked up the Government web site to get the info when I wrote it.

It's a fast moving situation is the polite way to put it, right? :)
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Re: Irish 7/20

Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:38 am

Aer Lingus to receive almost €30m for collecting PPE from China

Aer Lingus is to receive almost €30 million from the Health Service Executive for the transport of vital supplies of personal protective equipment (PPE) to Ireland from China since March in response to the Covid-19 pandemic.

www.irishtimes.com/news/health/aer-ling ... 9?mode=amp
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:28 am

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Aer Lingus to receive almost €30m for collecting PPE from China.

Aer Lingus is to receive almost €30 million from the Health Service Executive for the transport of vital supplies of personal protective equipment (PPE) to Ireland from China since March in response to the Covid-19 pandemic.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/a ... 9?mode=amp


Can’t see a whole lot of profit there. A rough estimate of Fuel costs alone would be circa €22 million.
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:29 am

Think it was reported that the operation was actually run at cost to Aer Lingus with no profit built in.
 
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:39 am

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Cityjet gone from Ireland and Stobart on the brink. At least Ryanair has only 8% of their operations in Ireland and can move assets to other countries as they open up.

Aviation, the MOST affected industry, wasn’t even mentioned in the “July stimulus” in the country which is probably most reliant on it from an economic point of view.


With respect, I think you are putting the cart before the horse. Giving money without an end in sight is a waste. Yes we are an island nation, yes things are dire for the industry but Ireland is relatively well placed once demand returns because of this. Demand will only return once the virus is under control and outbreaks are sporadic and localised. That is not yet the case. Once there are established, reliable, standardised and affordable testing regimens combined with suitable & secure procedures for people travelling from high-risk areas travel can resume. Confidence will be increased further by vaccinations and better treatments. The risk of the rules changing at short notice will remain and send confidence for some time.

It is very important for Ireland to protect our aviation industry, but Ireland is also relatively fortunate that both of our major connectivity providers are amongst the largest, best capitalised and most profitable airline groups in the world, but some element of government support is bound to be required. If and when the UK achieves Green List status I expect travel between GB and Ireland two to bounce-back relatively quickly, which will help FR and EI. The measures the UK government are now taking indicate they are very sensitive to criticism about a second wave, so I hope that the situation will come under control.

CityJet had already retreated to being a wet-lease provider and Stobart is seizing an opportunity in Belfast, so things are not quite so dramatic. But I agree that the prognosis is very uncertain. IAG claims that all their flying is profitable. Clearly, the huge costs of financing a fleet sitting idle is the issue for the industry.
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:42 pm

EI SNN-LHR service deemed not commercially viable currently with no service resumption in the short term according to CEO Sean Doyle.
In the audio clip he makes positive comment of a future return, but I wonder when and what frequency?
http://www.clare.fm/news/aviation/aer-l ... ot-viable/
 
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:36 pm

IrishTexan wrote:
EI SNN-LHR service deemed not commercially viable currently with no service resumption in the short term according to CEO Sean Doyle.
In the audio clip he makes positive comment of a future return, but I wonder when and what frequency?
http://www.clare.fm/news/aviation/aer-l ... ot-viable/


That is quite something. It won't eb for the want of slots at LHR, thats for sure. Ryanair appear to be operating STN daily and LGW 5 weekly for the winter. The STN looks like the AM and the LGW the PM.
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:33 pm

BrianDromey wrote:
IrishTexan wrote:
EI SNN-LHR service deemed not commercially viable currently with no service resumption in the short term according to CEO Sean Doyle.
In the audio clip he makes positive comment of a future return, but I wonder when and what frequency?
http://www.clare.fm/news/aviation/aer-l ... ot-viable/


That is quite something. It won't eb for the want of slots at LHR, thats for sure. Ryanair appear to be operating STN daily and LGW 5 weekly for the winter. The STN looks like the AM and the LGW the PM.


It'll be due to the lack of demand. Clearly SNN is pretty marginal for Aer Lingus at the best of times.
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Re: Irish 7/20

Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:22 pm

If they operated from Cork and Shannon they would make a bigger lose. Cork is likely loss making as well right now and they are been paid for BHD service.

This time of year a lot of US traffic would be on SNN-LHR. Those who need LHR will fly out of Cork or Dublin.
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:45 am

Boeing are laying off 19 licensed aircraft engineers in Dublin which is essentially the whole crew. Seems a bizarre decision considering they were the most experienced 737 MAX team in Europe. With FAA re-certification gathering steam its seems perverse to me that the company has no use for these staff going forward.

Lingus and Ryanair are not hiring so I don't know where these people are going to end up. Strange times
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:12 am

Pretty sobering figures for anyone I’d doubt. Aer Lingus lost over €300 in the 3 months to end of June

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0 ... y-results/
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Re: Irish 7/20

Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:50 am

Also in the results is 4 A332s to go and the A318. That’s the end of LCY-SNN-JFK. Not clear if the A332s are EI, LEVEL, or a mix of both. The Paris operation had 3 A332s and EI-EWR is due to return to lessors, I think?
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:32 am

Aviation fears travel restrictions will push out recovery until 2024
Airlines and airports believe Government policies make it difficult to maintain even today’s limited air services

Ryanair executive, Eddie Wilson, gave politicians a stark warning this week. If the Republic does not act now to attract back air traffic “we are going to lose it and we are going to lose it forever”.

www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-a ... 9?mode=amp
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:57 am

BrianDromey wrote:
Also in the results is 4 A332s to go and the A318. That’s the end of LCY-SNN-JFK. Not clear if the A332s are EI, LEVEL, or a mix of both. The Paris operation had 3 A332s and EI-EWR is due to return to lessors, I think?


From today’s presentation:

Fleet:

Aer Lingus:
Grounding of 6 A320s
Grounding of 3 A330s
Introduction of 6 A321 NEO LRs
6 wet leases returned (4 757s, 2 RJ85s)

Level:
5 fewer A330s (2 vs 7)

Iberia:
Grounding of 2 long-haul a/c (possibly A330s) - they are also retiring 15 A340-600s early
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:43 am

Aer Lingus reviewing Cork and Shannon operations

Staff at Aer Lingus have been warned the airline may seek compulsory redundancies in a bid to slash costs, and have been told the future of bases in Cork and Shannon is potentially under threat.
Aer Lingus CEO Sean Doyle outlined the potentially dramatic moves in an internal video to staff members on Friday.

“We have no line of sight on any meaningful resumption of operations out of either Cork or Shannon Airports. As such we are reviewing the scale of our flying programme from these airports and the ongoing viability of our regional bases there,” he told staff.

www.independent.ie/business/irish/aer-l ... 12990.html
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:04 pm

After many trips to PEK, EI is heading to Seoul daily at present:

- EI9030 DUB 11.23 - ICN 06:25 A330-302 EI-EDY

31 Jul 2020 DUB - ICN A333 EI-EDY
30 Jul 2020 DUB - ICN A333 EI-GCF
29 Jul 2020 DUB - ICN A333 EI-EDY
28 Jul 2020 DUB - ICN A333 EI-GCF
27 Jul 2020 DUB - ICN A333 EI-ELA
26 Jul 2020 DUB - ICN A333 EI-EDY
25 Jul 2020 DUB - ICN A333 EI-GCF
24 Jul 2020 DUB - ICN A333 EI-EDY


https://www.flightradar24.com/EIN9030/25157d0b
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:45 pm

factsonly wrote:
After many trips to PEK, EI is heading to Seoul daily at present:

- EI9030 DUB 11.23 - ICN 06:25 A330-302 EI-EDY

31 Jul 2020 DUB - ICN A333 EI-EDY
30 Jul 2020 DUB - ICN A333 EI-GCF
29 Jul 2020 DUB - ICN A333 EI-EDY
28 Jul 2020 DUB - ICN A333 EI-GCF
27 Jul 2020 DUB - ICN A333 EI-ELA
26 Jul 2020 DUB - ICN A333 EI-EDY
25 Jul 2020 DUB - ICN A333 EI-GCF
24 Jul 2020 DUB - ICN A333 EI-EDY

https://www.flightradar24.com/EIN9030/25157d0b


Only around 12 ICN flights are scheduled.
 
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Re: Irish 7/20

Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:18 pm

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