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New Helicopter Manufacturer found. Or rather, busted. In Moldova

Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:29 am

Moldovan law enforcement has located and raided a factory, manufacturing helicopters.
It's understood that Moldova had no aircraft industry. Some individuals did not agree with this, and tried to move the country forward into helicopter manufacturing.
The government is less than thrilled, and criminal prosecution is imminent:
https://balkaninsight.com/2020/06/30/mo ... r-factory/
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Re: New Helicopter Manufacturer found. Or rather, busted. In Moldova

Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:12 pm

While clearly based on the kamov, it does appear to be a bit different. The cockpit windows look quite different. Looking at the airframe in the background it might also be a tad wider, though that might just be an impression from the camera angle.

Always liked the ka-26 myself.
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Re: New Helicopter Manufacturer found. Or rather, busted. In Moldova

Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:31 pm

The article implies that the act of smuggling helicopters specifically is illegal.
A) How does one smuggle a helicopter?
B) Why is it smuggling of helicopters that specifically is illegal?
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Re: New Helicopter Manufacturer found. Or rather, busted. In Moldova

Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:32 pm

Who would dare fly in that ?
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Re: New Helicopter Manufacturer found. Or rather, busted. In Moldova

Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:58 pm

alasizon wrote:
The article implies that the act of smuggling helicopters specifically is illegal.
A) How does one smuggle a helicopter?
B) Why is it smuggling of helicopters that specifically is illegal?


If I were a betting man, I would say that it's a matter of "optics"/politics. In a post-Soviet country -- that remembers being part of complex aircraft, airplane and space systems supply chains -- and has no aerospace industry now, chasing folks for building aircraft/helicopters -- looks very unsavory on the government part. The public is basically told that "you have no business building aircraft, you are out of your place, go back to farming, peasants" -- and that sounds unpleasant, to say the least.

On the other hand, a "conspiracy to smuggle" a high-value item is a fairly straightforward criminal charge. All the folks with guns and badges need to prove:
a) finished product was planned to be sold
b) the sale was supposed to happen outside Moldova borders
c) (bonus chapter) if previous sales were to be discovered to have happened, it's a fait accompli

As legitimate export of a helicopter, built illegally, is impossible, the case is relatively uncomplicated to move through the legal system.

Only IMHO, of course.
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Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:39 pm

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Re: New Helicopter Manufacturer found. Or rather, busted. In Moldova

Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:03 am

The Ka-26? That model was discontinued in 1985...how were they able to even get this far? The Ka-226 is in production, but that has only had 69 built to date between Russia and India.

As for how Moldova got wind of this, I suspect that Russia clued them in, and that they would have had to have stolen the data sheets from Russia. Once Russia got wind of that, they informed Moldova. If they hadn't been caught here, they would have been caught when an attempt to register the aircraft was made with the relevant aviation authorities.
 
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Re: New Helicopter Manufacturer found. Or rather, busted. In Moldova

Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:29 am

Is the Moldovan just upset they didn’t get their ‘cut’?
 
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Re: New Helicopter Manufacturer found. Or rather, busted. In Moldova

Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:33 am

But... how do you smuggle a fake helicopter out of the country?
 
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Re: New Helicopter Manufacturer found. Or rather, busted. In Moldova

Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:01 am

I think these are genuine articles just being assembled here. They might eventually end up being delivered to a military regime which is under embargo, so this is just a proxy state. We've seen how various banned airplanes have ended up in Iran.
 
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Re: New Helicopter Manufacturer found. Or rather, busted. In Moldova

Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:06 am

Vasu wrote:
But... how do you smuggle a fake helicopter out of the country?

Read Outlaws Inc by Matt Potter, eye opening.
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Re: New Helicopter Manufacturer found. Or rather, busted. In Moldova

Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:12 am

Vasu wrote:
But... how do you smuggle a fake helicopter out of the country?


Just fly it over the border.

But my guess is that there's more to this story than we are being told.
 
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Re: New Helicopter Manufacturer found. Or rather, busted. In Moldova

Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:26 am

The illegality is a least three folding

1. Importation of materials breaching WTO rules declarations duties and appropriate taxes
2. Exportation see above
3. EASA/FAA and other airworthiness design, certifications and licenses.

Civil matters include breached of IT property rights .
 
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Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:05 am

SueD wrote:
The illegality is a least three folding

1. Importation of materials breaching WTO rules declarations duties and appropriate taxes
2. Exportation see above
3. EASA/FAA and other airworthiness design, certifications and licenses.

Civil matters include breached of IT property rights .


The 3rd point is mostly irrelevant. EASA/FAA/foreign CAA certification would only be relevant of they tried to fly it commercially outside Moldova. They would probably need some sort of experimental certification from local authorities to fly it privately, but if it didn't fly yet, then you don't need any certification at all. It would count as nothing more than a lawn-ornament in that case.
 
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Re: New Helicopter Manufacturer found. Or rather, busted. In Moldova

Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:02 am

Obviously the customers of these helicopters don't care about regulations or registrations or anything else that will have their own government know that they own a helicopter. In the most harmless scenario these customers just want to own a helicopter as a vanity object or use it on their farm or something, but without having to deal with their government or don't want to pay a lot of money on a proper license to fly a helicopter. Obviously there will also be enough customers who would use a helicopter for criminal activities.

They are small enough to fit into a standard container, so you don't even have to fly them over the border. Just fit the rotor blades at the destination and you are ready to go.
 
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Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:26 am

LOL :rotfl: ! And I could hardly believe that there is an illegal chinese dim-sum-factory-scene in private apartments here in Vienna :stirthepot: The first one was discovered some months ago, and just recently there was one more case!
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Re: New Helicopter Manufacturer found. Or rather, busted. In Moldova

Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:34 am

Momo1435 wrote:
They are small enough to fit into a standard container, so you don't even have to fly them over the border. Just fit the rotor blades at the destination and you are ready to go.


Depends how far they are going. If it is just a next door country (Transnistria being an obvious suspect), flying is going to be way easier. There are checkpoints on roads, but nothing in the air. It's not like Moldova has an air force that can intervene anyway. Primary radars are rare and easy to avoid by flying low, secondary radars can only detect you if you have an active transponder.
 
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Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:05 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:

As for how Moldova got wind of this, I suspect that Russia clued them in, and that they would have had to have stolen the data sheets from Russia. Once Russia got wind of that, they informed Moldova. If they hadn't been caught here, they would have been caught when an attempt to register the aircraft was made with the relevant aviation authorities.


I think such factories usually cater either only to countries like Iran or North Korea, or to assorted rebel groups, who cannot get helicopters or planes through legitimate means without raising eyebrows. The authorities in such countries usually don't bother to check the origin of the helicopters they are registering.
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Re: New Helicopter Manufacturer found. Or rather, busted. In Moldova

Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:12 am

The news article mentioned the factory was near Criuleni which is on the Dniester river. If Transdniester was the intended customer, you wouldn't even need to fly the helicopter to the customer - just transporting it across a quiet section of the river would suffice
 
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Re: New Helicopter Manufacturer found. Or rather, busted. In Moldova

Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:47 am

davidjohnson6 wrote:
The news article mentioned the factory was near Criuleni which is on the Dniester river. If Transdniester was the intended customer, you wouldn't even need to fly the helicopter to the customer - just transporting it across a quiet section of the river would suffice

Unlikely Transnistria was the intended destination. Most of suspects are Transnistrian citizens, and if they really planned the helo's for Transnistrian use, they would not bother setting up production on the side, controlled by Moldovan authorities. They probably needed a space, to export end product without too much scrutiny. As Transnistria is a hotbed of counterfeit goods activity (textiles, leather, cigarettes, alcohol), and it has access only to Moldovan mainland, and Ukraine, exporting something as sensitive as a helo, from Transnistria, is risky. Especially now, with COVID-19 restrictions, the border between Ukraine and Moldova on Transnistrian section is closed, and all transactions happen on inner-Moldovan border.

Plus, ANYTHING becoming airborne in Transnistria would cause an uproar. The area is a no-fly zone, for all intents and purposes. Transnistrian "authorities" and their Kremlin masters tried to propose activating an airfield, physically within Transnistrian region. Moldovan authorities went almost apoplectic over the mere suggestion.

No, my feeling is the factory was within Moldovan mainland, specifically to have helos exported. Near the river/inner border, so the relevant personnel could be crossing to and fro, without too much suspicion.
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