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IWMBH wrote:I don’t know about FX but UPS has “hot-spares”. These planes are not in the air but on the ground and “scrambled” when a plane can’t fly. I think FX has the same thing going on. I believe there where ones flying spares, but they stopped that some time ago.
https://gearpatrol.com/2015/04/22/on-al ... ot-spares/
Spacepope wrote:One of these sweep flights has been an A300 flying DEN-MEM. Partial load in DEN, then instead of straight off east to MEM, it usually starts due South to ABQ before headed east. Seen it divert to land and pick up cargo at ABQ, LBB and Dallas, with OKC in its reach. Adds another hour or so onto an existing flight, but less expensive than staffed but unused hot spare aircraft at remote stations, empty sweeps or just not picking up the cargo.
Edit: here is a typical sweep profile for FX 1311 https://flightaware.com/live/flight/FDX1311
Edit: here is a typical sweep profile for FX 1311 https://flightaware.com/live/flight/FDX1311
fcogafa wrote:That example looks like they are avoiding weather?Edit: here is a typical sweep profile for FX 1311 https://flightaware.com/live/flight/FDX1311
vhqpa wrote:Sounds interesting. Not doubting you but it sounds like an incredibly expensive practice. I'm interested in finding out more.
Max Q wrote:I believe FDX keeps several aircraft airborne ‘on patrol’
GalaxyFlyer wrote:KPWM plane was for LL Bean nightly, if you’ve heard of the company.
ChrisNH38 wrote:Portland, Maine gets a FedEx A300, which is more plane than that station needs (I think). So when it comes south near places like MHT, BOS, BDL, PIT, etc. it can drop into any of them and handle a need at any of those places. Not sure if that PWM plane is a ‘sweep’ flight, though.
tulsarefueler wrote:UPS, air stuff went by air, ground stuff went by ground, no mixing it up...
clipper001 wrote:tulsarefueler wrote:UPS, air stuff went by air, ground stuff went by ground, no mixing it up...
For many years some UPS "Air loads" shipped on Fridays between certain markets would actually go rail. I know of at least between Chicago and Dallas.
texas145 wrote:Max Q wrote:I believe FDX keeps several aircraft airborne ‘on patrol’
For a sweep, a flight will be planned FAT-MEM for example, but might take a longer than normal routing in case they need to drop into PHX, COS, AFW, etc, like stated above. Crews have "forgotten" they were on a sweep flight and requested a direct route once airborne, which is a big no-no. When in cruise, and the ACARS dings from the dispatcher, we hold our breath until we see it's not a diversion instruction.
EXMEMWIDGET wrote:It looks like 1311 only operates on Thursdays now instead of MO-TH like it did for years. Most of the sweeper flights that we have been getting lately have been coming out of LBB. I don't think that the flight FX out of LBB is a true sweeper flight, though. It just happens to have the excess capacity that DFW needs from time to time.
DEN1895 wrote:EXMEMWIDGET wrote:It looks like 1311 only operates on Thursdays now instead of MO-TH like it did for years. Most of the sweeper flights that we have been getting lately have been coming out of LBB. I don't think that the flight FX out of LBB is a true sweeper flight, though. It just happens to have the excess capacity that DFW needs from time to time.
Speaking with the FedEx workers at DEN they also said since DEN has more inbound cargo than outbound, if the flight wasn't used going to Memphis it would return to Denver with a full load. This meant that even if the trip out was a waste they were at least carrying cargo on the way back.
flyfresno wrote:On June 24th, FAT-MEM made a big circle over Nevada and had a change in flight plan to ONT, but then continued on the MEM. I'm wondering if they initially game them a "sweep" to ONT, but then either found another aircraft, or the aircraft on the ground in ONT ended up being able to go after all. I thought of it being a sweep since both RNO and LAS would have been much closer if it was a regular divert...
ChrisNH38 wrote:GalaxyFlyer wrote:KPWM plane was for LL Bean nightly, if you’ve heard of the company.
They use UPS and USPS, but thanks anyway.
ChrisNH38 wrote:I thought FedEx lost the USPS contract
The U.S. Postal Service is pleased to execute a four year renewal to extend the Air Cargo Network (ACN) contract with FedEx through September 29, 2024. The competitively awarded contract began October 1, 2013, and provides domestic air transportation for U.S. Mail, Priority Mail and Priority Mail Express.
ChrisNH38 wrote:Portland, Maine gets a FedEx A300, which is more plane than that station needs (I think). So when it comes south near places like MHT, BOS, BDL, PIT, etc. it can drop into any of them and handle a need at any of those places. Not sure if that PWM plane is a ‘sweep’ flight, though.
HPRamper wrote:ChrisNH38 wrote:GalaxyFlyer wrote:KPWM plane was for LL Bean nightly, if you’ve heard of the company.
They use UPS and USPS, but thanks anyway.
A great portion of the USPS freight is carried on the FedEx plane anyway due to the postal contract.
Many markets of similar size have a larger plane on the evening side - A300 or 767 - and a 757 in the morning. This difference in gauge is because of the postal freight pattern. Postal priority freight inbound to these smaller markets on the PM side is nearly always much greater than what they send out on the AM shift.
ChrisNH38 wrote:Portland, Maine gets a FedEx A300, which is more plane than that station needs (I think). So when it comes south near places like MHT, BOS, BDL, PIT, etc. it can drop into any of them and handle a need at any of those places. Not sure if that PWM plane is a ‘sweep’ flight, though.
pwm2txlhopper wrote:jetblueguy22 wrote:ChrisNH38 wrote:Portland, Maine gets a FedEx A300, which is more plane than that station needs (I think). So when it comes south near places like MHT, BOS, BDL, PIT, etc. it can drop into any of them and handle a need at any of those places. Not sure if that PWM plane is a ‘sweep’ flight, though.
Be willing to bet it’s stuffed with seafood in the PM. There are some huge accounts up there. Coolers are big and take up a lot of space. They aren’t going to send more airplane than they need
Don't know how stuffed it is with seafood? Aside from lobster, commercial fishing has really died in Maine in the last twenty-five years. Most of the catch from the Gulf of Maine goes to the Port of Glouchester, Mass these days. Even stuff caught by the few remaining Maine based ground fishing vessels. I think most lobster goes by truck to BOS.
pwm2txlhopper wrote:
It's my understanding that FX carries almost all overnight and two day Priority mail. Not sure about first class? Haven't seen first class mail loaded onto a passenger flight in years and years, but maybe they still do?