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Emirates Orders

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:08 pm
by Gael23
Have one of the recent EK orders scheduled for SPscheduled for delivery in the next few years been cancelled due to Covid 19?

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:32 pm
by FrenchPotatoEye
No. No canceld orders.

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:47 pm
by Gael23
Shows how financially strong they are

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:00 pm
by MIflyer12
Or it shows you how naive they are in negotiating contracts. Nobody needs more capacity right now.

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:07 pm
by Polot
According to news reports Emirates wants to cancel their final 5 A380s. Bit tricky negotiating that with Airbus though since those are also the final 5 A380 and remarketing them would be difficult.

Gael23 wrote:
Shows how financially strong they are

Or that you are asking this question too early.

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:43 pm
by Dutchy
Polot wrote:
According to news reports Emirates wants to cancel their final 5 A380s. Bit tricky negotiating that with Airbus though since those are also the final 5 A380 and remarketing them would be difficult.


Have the first metal been cut already? Probably, and if so, I agree, quite impossible for Airbus to find another buyer, since nobody needs additional capacity, or they want to struck a deal with BA to match their prices and Emirates the remaining bit to Airbus. But still, would BA want them for let's say 100million a piece at the moment?

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:48 pm
by DarkSnowyNight
Dutchy wrote:
Polot wrote:
According to news reports Emirates wants to cancel their final 5 A380s. Bit tricky negotiating that with Airbus though since those are also the final 5 A380 and remarketing them would be difficult.


Have the first metal been cut already? Probably, and if so, I agree, quite impossible for Airbus to find another buyer, since nobody needs additional capacity, or they want to struck a deal with BA to match their prices and Emirates the remaining bit to Airbus. But still, would BA want them for let's say 100million a piece at the moment?



Not entirely out of the question, if BA would like to consolidate leisure routings to FL, Caribbean, BK, etc. As well as adding capacity to relatively stable markets like NY, LAX, etc.

But even that would be a trick, given the shift to a more leisure/VFR focused market than has been in the past... It would almost certainly call for the retirement of the 744s & a large portion of the 77Es to compensate.

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:49 pm
by Dutchy
Would the 777x be in danger with Emirates? Still lot's of capacity coming in,

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:25 am
by JayinKitsap
Gosh, it's been maybe a week since the last EK thread has been going around? Do we really need another thread where the A380 can be bashed, the 77X trashed, and EK's practices smashed.

Right now EK is vigorously negotiating with both Airbus and Boeing, probably more with Airbus as the first 779 is still a year or more away from delivery. With Boeing, I see major deferrals but no cancellations.

With Airbus, EK really doesn't want the last 5 A380's but it is likely as of Feb 19, the ones not cancelled were already having parts built where the cancellation cost was higher. 16 months later all remaining A380s are probably done up to final assembly. The last body section has been transported, not sure about the last wing set but that is soon.

Throw in the RR vs EK issues on the A380 and it is a real mess that still isn't settled.

EK is not ordering more planes in the near term, but will take the A350's and 787's after a several year delay.

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:43 am
by ewt340
Currently, the order that would be on the hot water would be A380 and B777-8.

Their other order consist mostly of B777-9 which they would need.
The other order consist of smaller plane which are popular among airlines and lessors. They could probably sell it in the near future if they don't need them.

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:28 am
by JayinKitsap
ewt340 wrote:
Currently, the order that would be on the hot water would be A380 and B777-8.

Their other order consist mostly of B777-9 which they would need.
The other order consist of smaller plane which are popular among airlines and lessors. They could probably sell it in the near future if they don't need them.


Yes the 778 is suspect, it wouldn't be happening without a freighter version.

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:07 am
by MileHFL400
I think it’s a bit too early to tell. No one really knows what their capacity needs will be like in 2022 when the B777-9 starts coming in large numbers. Will it be 2019 levels? Will countries that are still dealing with high numbers of covid patients be less desirable to travel to?

At this point we can only speculate on what their capacity needs will be. The next few months will be critical in generating the kind of data needed to make educated guesses on what EK will be flying what to where.

In the short term I can see older B777-300ERs and the -200LR as will as the earlier A6-ED series A380’s leaving the fleet sooner rather than later and if and when the demand for business and leisure travel picks up (hopefully) in 2021 the capacity gap being filled up by all the shiny new CFRP and metal they have in order.

If demand doesn’t pick up so fast I can see some B777-9 being changed for more 787’s and A350’s being changed for A321NEO’s.

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:54 am
by Dutchy
JayinKitsap wrote:
Gosh, it's been maybe a week since the last EK thread has been going around? Do we really need another thread where the A380 can be bashed, the 77X trashed, and EK's practices smashed.

Right now EK is vigorously negotiating with both Airbus and Boeing, probably more with Airbus as the first 779 is still a year or more away from delivery. With Boeing, I see major deferrals but no cancellations.

With Airbus, EK really doesn't want the last 5 A380's but it is likely as of Feb 19, the ones not cancelled were already having parts built where the cancellation cost was higher. 16 months later all remaining A380s are probably done up to final assembly. The last body section has been transported, not sure about the last wing set but that is soon.

Throw in the RR vs EK issues on the A380 and it is a real mess that still isn't settled.

EK is not ordering more planes in the near term, but will take the A350's and 787's after a several year delay.


We can all agree that demand will be slow for the next few years. My take on it:
- 2020/2021 Covid pandemic will rage on
- 2020 - 2023/4 global recession or even depression
- changed travel habits because of the Covid wake-up call
- environmental issue's will have an impact on the industry

When will Emirates have the 2019 passenger numbers again? 2023, if really lucky? That is forgetting about growth, build into their current model / outstanding orders.

They have to take the A380, or the BA route might be a way out, but at a great loss. But taking a lot of aircraft of a new type of a/c is a lot harder, especially the largest in production at that time: B779? The B778 will probably not be built, too expensive, too little orders. Perhaps some adjustments in orders is needed. Less B779 (115orders), more B787 (30orders?) and the same A350 (50orders), but have the -1000 version. And perhaps add a small body, B737M1 or A321.
So I can see:
778 = 0
779 = 50-ish
A350 = 50-ish
B787 = 70-ish
B737M10 = 50-ish

Lot less capacity and much more flexible.

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:56 am
by Opus99
Dutchy wrote:
JayinKitsap wrote:
Gosh, it's been maybe a week since the last EK thread has been going around? Do we really need another thread where the A380 can be bashed, the 77X trashed, and EK's practices smashed.

Right now EK is vigorously negotiating with both Airbus and Boeing, probably more with Airbus as the first 779 is still a year or more away from delivery. With Boeing, I see major deferrals but no cancellations.

With Airbus, EK really doesn't want the last 5 A380's but it is likely as of Feb 19, the ones not cancelled were already having parts built where the cancellation cost was higher. 16 months later all remaining A380s are probably done up to final assembly. The last body section has been transported, not sure about the last wing set but that is soon.

Throw in the RR vs EK issues on the A380 and it is a real mess that still isn't settled.

EK is not ordering more planes in the near term, but will take the A350's and 787's after a several year delay.


We can all agree that demand will be slow for the next few years. My take on it:
- 2020/2021 Covid pandemic will rage on
- 2020 - 2023/4 global recession or even depression
- changed travel habits because of the Covid wake-up call
- environmental issue's will have an impact on the industry

When will Emirates have the 2019 passenger numbers again? 2023, if really lucky? That is forgetting about growth, build into their current model / outstanding orders.

They have to take the A380, or the BA route might be a way out, but at a great loss. But taking in a new type of a/c is a lot harder, especially the largest in production at that time: B779? The B778 will probably not be built, too expensive, too little orders.

What's the BA route?

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:02 am
by Dutchy
Opus99 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
JayinKitsap wrote:
Gosh, it's been maybe a week since the last EK thread has been going around? Do we really need another thread where the A380 can be bashed, the 77X trashed, and EK's practices smashed.

Right now EK is vigorously negotiating with both Airbus and Boeing, probably more with Airbus as the first 779 is still a year or more away from delivery. With Boeing, I see major deferrals but no cancellations.

With Airbus, EK really doesn't want the last 5 A380's but it is likely as of Feb 19, the ones not cancelled were already having parts built where the cancellation cost was higher. 16 months later all remaining A380s are probably done up to final assembly. The last body section has been transported, not sure about the last wing set but that is soon.

Throw in the RR vs EK issues on the A380 and it is a real mess that still isn't settled.

EK is not ordering more planes in the near term, but will take the A350's and 787's after a several year delay.


We can all agree that demand will be slow for the next few years. My take on it:
- 2020/2021 Covid pandemic will rage on
- 2020 - 2023/4 global recession or even depression
- changed travel habits because of the Covid wake-up call
- environmental issue's will have an impact on the industry

When will Emirates have the 2019 passenger numbers again? 2023, if really lucky? That is forgetting about growth, build into their current model / outstanding orders.

They have to take the A380, or the BA route might be a way out, but at a great loss. But taking in a new type of a/c is a lot harder, especially the largest in production at that time: B779? The B778 will probably not be built, too expensive, too little orders.

What's the BA route?


BA taking over the remaining 5 A380 at a very reduced price, pure speculation from me. 8-)

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:57 am
by xwb777
Emirates COO, Adel Al Redha, has made it clear in his latest interview, that the airline is committed to the A350 & B787, which will be starting to arrive in 2023.

Regarding the B779, he said that the delays are from Boeing side.

Can be found here: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN23W2IG

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:13 am
by ewt340
Dutchy wrote:
JayinKitsap wrote:
Gosh, it's been maybe a week since the last EK thread has been going around? Do we really need another thread where the A380 can be bashed, the 77X trashed, and EK's practices smashed.

Right now EK is vigorously negotiating with both Airbus and Boeing, probably more with Airbus as the first 779 is still a year or more away from delivery. With Boeing, I see major deferrals but no cancellations.

With Airbus, EK really doesn't want the last 5 A380's but it is likely as of Feb 19, the ones not cancelled were already having parts built where the cancellation cost was higher. 16 months later all remaining A380s are probably done up to final assembly. The last body section has been transported, not sure about the last wing set but that is soon.

Throw in the RR vs EK issues on the A380 and it is a real mess that still isn't settled.

EK is not ordering more planes in the near term, but will take the A350's and 787's after a several year delay.


We can all agree that demand will be slow for the next few years. My take on it:
- 2020/2021 Covid pandemic will rage on
- 2020 - 2023/4 global recession or even depression
- changed travel habits because of the Covid wake-up call
- environmental issue's will have an impact on the industry

When will Emirates have the 2019 passenger numbers again? 2023, if really lucky? That is forgetting about growth, build into their current model / outstanding orders.

They have to take the A380, or the BA route might be a way out, but at a great loss. But taking a lot of aircraft of a new type of a/c is a lot harder, especially the largest in production at that time: B779? The B778 will probably not be built, too expensive, too little orders. Perhaps some adjustments in orders is needed. Less B779 (115orders), more B787 (30orders?) and the same A350 (50orders), but have the -1000 version. And perhaps add a small body, B737M1 or A321.
So I can see:
778 = 0
779 = 50-ish
A350 = 50-ish
B787 = 70-ish
B737M10 = 50-ish

Lot less capacity and much more flexible.


I don't think they would take any narrowbody for the main fleet though. They would just use FlyDubai for smaller operations.

I see them keeping A350-900 as it is. And maybe a bit more if Airbus agree for conversion from the few A380 left.
What I would predict is the reduction of B777X and conversion to more B787 in the future.

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:17 pm
by T4thH
Dutchy wrote:
Polot wrote:
According to news reports Emirates wants to cancel their final 5 A380s. Bit tricky negotiating that with Airbus though since those are also the final 5 A380 and remarketing them would be difficult.


Have the first metal been cut already? Probably, and if so, I agree, quite impossible for Airbus to find another buyer, since nobody needs additional capacity, or they want to struck a deal with BA to match their prices and Emirates the remaining bit to Airbus. But still, would BA want them for let's say 100million a piece at the moment?

To clarify it regarding: "Have the first metal been cut already?".
Fuselage parts and wings are completed for the last of the pending A380 and have been delivered to Toulouse.

Of the last 8 A380, till now not delivered, two are completed and ready to be taken up (1x Emirates, 1x ANA), (all other Emirates) 1 has performed the first flight and is in outfitting in Hamburg, 4 are on the production line in Toulouse and for the last, they have started to join the parts in Toulouse, to push it on the production line.
https://www.abcdlist.nl/a380f/a380f.html

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:59 pm
by Revelation
T4thH wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Polot wrote:
According to news reports Emirates wants to cancel their final 5 A380s. Bit tricky negotiating that with Airbus though since those are also the final 5 A380 and remarketing them would be difficult.

Have the first metal been cut already? Probably, and if so, I agree, quite impossible for Airbus to find another buyer, since nobody needs additional capacity, or they want to struck a deal with BA to match their prices and Emirates the remaining bit to Airbus. But still, would BA want them for let's say 100million a piece at the moment?

To clarify it regarding: "Have the first metal been cut already?".
Fuselage parts and wings are completed for the last of the pending A380 and have been delivered to Toulouse.

Of the last 8 A380, till now not delivered, two are completed and ready to be taken up (1x Emirates, 1x ANA), (all other Emirates) 1 has performed the first flight and is in outfitting in Hamburg, 4 are on the production line in Toulouse and for the last, they have started to join the parts in Toulouse, to push it on the production line.
https://www.abcdlist.nl/a380f/a380f.html

Yes, and on the 777-9 side, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... RJ94/edit# suggests that five 779s destined for EK have already rolled out and three more are either in final assembly or near final assembly.

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:14 pm
by mig17
Last DAS pre-covid alteady was a wake-up call withe 30 A388 converted into 50 A359 and 30 777 (W and X) converted into 30 789.
Now with covid, EK would like to not take delivery of the last few A380 which are comming soon.
A350, 77X and 787 are safe for now since no aircraft are comming soon.
But in the end, all EK orders are in danger :
A380, alteady in negociation
A350, future delays, swaps or cancellations
787, future delays, swaps or cancellations
777-X, future delays, swaps or cancellations

A380 imminent deliveries make negociation with Airbus a priority and Airbus may be "ok" to let EK of the A380 hook if they order some kick delivered A320/321 neo instead. Or at least EK is trying to play that card right now.
Next it wil be 777-X case but since Boeing has delayed 777-8 cine die, 35 777-X are already not to be delivered to EK and the 777-9 also seems to be defered until 2022 now by Boeing itself so EK has time to think.

My take, EK will cancel remaining A380 at high penalty but will order some neo. A350 and 787 will be defered and 777-X will be redyced and defered.

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:42 pm
by Revelation
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1448641&p=22307101#p22307101 seems relevant:

smartplane wrote:
Eyes at the relevant OEM facilities will respond quickly.

If you are looking to calculate how many aircraft A (+B) are funding, not a hope in hell. Both are deferring milestone payments to avoid triggering bigger issues for customers. Pre-shipment finance has dried up (the industry was already short of cash with MAX). Take out finance for ready to deliver aircraft is almost non-existent. Again, to avoid technical defaults, OEM's are offering / underwriting post-shipment finance for delivery to blue chip. Ditto for the rest, but those aircraft go into OEM-controlled storage. For customers who have taken the turnkey option, A+B are funding engines, though increasingly we might see aircraft flying to storage, and then engines removed for further ferries. A & B must be close to moratoriums preventing customers from cashing in credits.

Amidst all this, some are still actually funding their aircraft, after increased CAF's, and re-negotiation of retrospective credits (upwards). Cash is king.

I think EK is in a strong negotiating position. Even though they have made cutbacks, these are just to stop bleeding cash. When push comes to shove they have access to cash because their owner is the sovereign wealth fund of Dubai. This doesn't mean they can flood the market with cash, but it does put them in a much better position than the average airline. A and B know what a terrible signal it'd put out to the rest of the industry if EK walked away from commitments. If EK can't make commitments, then who can? This all puts EK in a strong negotiating position.

I think the last five A380s are at great risk. I'm kind of surprised Airbus is continuing to build them. I guess it's out of inertia. At some point EK is going to have to provide customer furnished equipment and it's hard to imagine EK funding that if they simply don't want the planes.

Well we certainly have seen the vendors fly NTU aircraft to the desert and let them sit for years till some solution was found. In the case of the A380s, I think it would wise that they find a place that does both storage and scrapping. Maybe the best solution will be to fly them to DWC without interior furnishing and let them be parts donors.

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:53 pm
by behramjee
EK I feel badly needs an aircraft the size of a B788 configured with 237 seats i.e. 30J (2-2-2) + 207Y (3-3-3) to operate many routes to EU, Africa, GCC and ISC in a more commercially oriented manner. It is also rightly sized to launch new medium sized markets in EU and Africa before gradually up-gauging to a B789/A359 or increasing frequencies.

Current routes in EK's network ideally suited for the B788 I feel are:

Africa : SEZ, CKY-DSS, DUR, LUN-HRE, ADD and TUN

ISC: KHI, PEW, CCU, CMB, SKT, AMD and MLE

EU: LCA-MLA, OPO, LED, BLQ, VCE, LYS, NCL, LIS and STN

Middle East: BSR, BGW, EBL, MCT, BAH, KWI, DMM and IKA

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:25 pm
by Fatbus
330's would do all those as well. Not sure if the 330 order is no longer . Regardless STC has stated they need something smaller but not single isles. Leave that to FZ and their more involved relationship.

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:57 pm
by Revelation
Fatbus wrote:
330's would do all those as well. Not sure if the 330 order is no longer . Regardless STC has stated they need something smaller but not single isles. Leave that to FZ and their more involved relationship.

Correct, the A330neo order is gone, and IMO no satisfactory explanation was given. I have a few guesses but would be nice to hear the actual reasoning from an authoritative source.

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:14 pm
by skipness1E
On what routes will BA be flying SEVENTEEN A380s in 2021???They don’t need them at all for the routes they currently fly. They were flying B789 to LAX last year guys! The idea of using an A380 to free up a LHR slot never transpired, they’re used at BA to up capacity on selected routes, not something I can see needed anytime soon.

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:54 am
by Airlinerdude
Posters in this thread seem to be missing two very important details:

1. Fleet decisions are not based on short-term outlooks. The resulting fleet decisions will look at an outlook past just the temporary demand slump from covid, and look anywhere from 10 to 20 years into the future. Investing in a 788 and smaller sized equipment might have the greatest return over the next five years, but looking at a 10 to 20 year outlook, and your return on investment picture looks incredibly different.

2. EK is heavily restricted by the UAE's bilaterals. In a perfect world it would be great to be able to fly three or four times daily with a 788 instead of twice daily with a 77W, but in reality that's not feasible. I think a lot of EK's fleet surplus pre-covid was a result of ambitious route planning based on the hope that bilaterals would become more flexible. There were probably a good 20-30 additional daily frequencies that could have been added with more flexible bilaterals.

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:32 am
by JerseyFlyer
Revelation wrote:
Fatbus wrote:
330's would do all those as well. Not sure if the 330 order is no longer . Regardless STC has stated they need something smaller but not single isles. Leave that to FZ and their more involved relationship.

Correct, the A330neo order is gone, and IMO no satisfactory explanation was given. I have a few guesses but would be nice to hear the actual reasoning from an authoritative source.


I suspect EK wants guaranteed performance from the 330 neo's RR T7000s and the current lack of flying time globally for the small active fleet has not helped.

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:51 am
by dtw2hyd
Airlinerdude wrote:
Posters in this thread seem to be missing two very important details:

1. Fleet decisions are not based on short-term outlooks. The resulting fleet decisions will look at an outlook past just the temporary demand slump from covid, and look anywhere from 10 to 20 years into the future. Investing in a 788 and smaller sized equipment might have the greatest return over the next five years, but looking at a 10 to 20 year outlook, and your return on investment picture looks incredibly different.

2. EK is heavily restricted by the UAE's bilaterals. In a perfect world it would be great to be able to fly three or four times daily with a 788 instead of twice daily with a 77W, but in reality that's not feasible. I think a lot of EK's fleet surplus pre-covid was a result of ambitious route planning based on the hope that bilaterals would become more flexible. There were probably a good 20-30 additional daily frequencies that could have been added with more flexible bilaterals.


There is no evidence, by means of publicly available order book they have any outlook planned for next 20 years. Let alone for next 5 years.

Bi-laterals gets restrictive when EK wants to dump capacity with 4 daily A380s at one station. Countries will be happy to accept 8 x 788s to eight different stations.

To summarize, Emirates fleet strategy is not based on equipment capabilities, it is based squeezing every last drop out of the crew.

Send crew on a 2:30hr-4hr turn around, give minimum rest send them on 6:30hr-8hr medium-haul mission, again give minimum rest, send them on a long-haul/ultra-long-haul mission.

This strategy allows maximizing crew productivity. STC thinks having too many type aircraft hinders this approach. Hence, just couple of types.

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:34 am
by olle
Emirates very special negotiation with EU will be gone with A380.

I bet that France and UK has accepted lot from emirates because of being supporting jobs.

But with A350 as biggest Airbus product that will be sold to either emirates or if they do not order them to other them to other customers?

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:18 pm
by ChrisEtihad272
Ek flights are ridiculously expensive at the minute, im a travel agent and compared to QR, TK, CX, EY they are out pricing them selves at the minute.

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:41 pm
by ScottB
Revelation wrote:
I think the last five A380s are at great risk. I'm kind of surprised Airbus is continuing to build them. I guess it's out of inertia. At some point EK is going to have to provide customer furnished equipment and it's hard to imagine EK funding that if they simply don't want the planes.


At this point the cost to Airbus is virtually identical whether or not they complete assembly of the final A380s. Most of the high-ticket components are on premises and under French labor laws they'd have to pay assembly line workers to work or not work. Anything that could go into the spares inventory instead can likely be removed if need be. And they probably need to continue assembly in order to preserve some negotiating leverage; i.e. that they are continuing to uphold their side of the contract.

And it really wouldn't surprise me if most of the buyer-funded equipment had also been bought and paid-for already as well. I imagine that Airbus planned to substantially complete A380 production and fit-out well before year-end -- it really doesn't take a year to build an A380. Pre-covid the assembly workers were to move to other products but obviously that isn't necessary right now.

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:48 pm
by frmrCapCadet
A world wide recession/depression from 2020-2024 puts any petroleum price recovery out of the question. By 2024 EVs will be dropping oil demand by a million or two barrels a day. And going forward from there will only be worse.

Re: Emirates Orders

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 7:28 pm
by Airlinerdude
A little bit of positive news for the A380:

“The A380 has defined us,” Clark tells The Times. “As demand returns, and given the slot availability at prime hubs, there will be a place for it. I’m hoping by April 2022, all our A380s will be flying again.”


https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... early-2022

That rhetoric doesn't seem to suggest a mass divestiture of A380s like has been previously talked about in other threads.