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Updated:Nolinor Aviation launching OWG-new Canadian airline

Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:08 am

Nolinor is launching a new division, new brand, with a new livery...please share

Any more information available? A new LCC-carrier for Canada?

https://mobile.twitter.com/nolinoraviat ... 45/photo/1
 
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Re: Nolinor Aviation launching new division

Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:48 am

debonair wrote:
A new LCC-carrier for Canada?


Because that's what Canada needs, another LCC start up. :roll: :duck:
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Re: Nolinor Aviation launching new division

Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:05 am

Given that it was built in 1990, I guess it must have done a few hours.
 
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Re: Nolinor Aviation launching new division

Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:07 pm

Picking up the slack from all of the recent Air Canada castaways? Though realistically I can’t see that being it, way too soon and not a great market to be branching out into.
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Re: Nolinor Aviation launching new division

Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:39 pm

https://www.boeing.com/commercial/aerom ... 2012_q4/2/

According to this, the LOV is 85,000 Cycles/100,000 Hours.

Given that she has been flying for 30 years, does anyone have her current/recent figures.
 
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Re: Nolinor Aviation launching new division

Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:25 pm

bennett123 wrote:
https://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/articles/2012_q4/2/

According to this, the LOV is 85,000 Cycles/100,000 Hours.

Given that she has been flying for 30 years, does anyone have her current/recent figures.


As of 01 March 2012 the aircraft has 32,712 hours and 15,055 cycles - obviously, over 8 years ago now but it might give you an idea of its figures
 
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Re: Nolinor Aviation launching new division

Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:56 pm

https://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b737-24804.htm

A lot less than expected.

However, some of these carriers probably were not flying constantly.
 
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Re: Nolinor Aviation launching new division

Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:59 pm

It's an ex-F8 B734, originally built for FI. It only flew for FI for 8 years and was a VIP frame for 15. I just suspect a new livery for N5 (the existing livery dates from 2003). N5 did note that it was adding B734s to the fleet last year, and is taking 3 frames. These will likely be for ad hoc charters...remember that in the AF66 rescue operation, N5 participated.
 
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Re: Nolinor Aviation launching new division

Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:07 pm

The tweet says #realairline. Have Nolinor applied yet to the CTA for a scheduled service licence?
 
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Re: Nolinor Aviation launching new division

Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:57 am

The new airline will be called OWG:
https://owg.com/
https://nolinor.com/en/news/launch-of-o ... w-airline/

Charter flights to the Caribbean with the B737-400... Reminds me of Air Transat B737-400 op. by Flair drama! Good luck!

@admin pls. can you update the title to "OWG-new Canadian airline"? THX
 
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Re: Nolinor Aviation launching new division

Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:26 pm

A decent news article including some discussions with the airline owner: https://www.lapresse.ca/affaires/2020-07-07/un-nouveau-transporteur-aerien-quebecois-nait-en-pleine-crise.php

Article is in french, couldn't find an english equivalent that wasn't just rehashing the press release.
 
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Re: Updated:Nolinor Aviation launching OWG-new Canadian airline

Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:52 pm

Ok I wish that OWG won't use the scrappy B732 again.
Please at least the B734.
Besides that, there is a large number of cheap 738 in the market these days. Why not?
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Re: Updated:Nolinor Aviation launching OWG-new Canadian airline

Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:54 pm

What is the meaning/significance of ‘OWG’?
 
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Re: Updated:Nolinor Aviation launching OWG-new Canadian airline

Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:00 pm

158 seat 737-400’s operating as an LCC/ULCC in Canada.

There is no possible scenario, at any fuel price, that makes this a viable business plan.

Even Flair figured that out.

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Re: Updated:Nolinor Aviation launching OWG-new Canadian airline

Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:25 pm

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What is the meaning/significance of ‘OWG’?


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Re: Updated:Nolinor Aviation launching OWG-new Canadian airline

Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:36 pm

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158 seat 737-400’s operating as an LCC/ULCC in Canada.

There is no possible scenario, at any fuel price, that makes this a viable business plan.

Even Flair figured that out.


The biggest difference I see, not just with Flair and Westjet (with a bunch of clapped out -200s), is that Nolinor is already an established carrier currently flying.

If this venture were not to pan out, then the -400 can be used in its current Arctic operation. Or on demand charters without a lot of capital outlay when not flying. There is little place in the Arctic for a (runway loving) NG, or sitting around doing little.

In my opinion, like Flair and Westjet, when Nolinor purchases NGs for it’s OWG operation, it is a signal of success and commitment to ongoing operations. Right now, it looks more like dipping a toe into the water with minimal risk.
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Re: Updated:Nolinor Aviation launching OWG-new Canadian airline

Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:48 pm

Not gonna lie, at first glance I have misread it as "OMG" instead :duck:
 
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Re: Updated:Nolinor Aviation launching OWG-new Canadian airline

Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:45 pm

longhauler wrote:
jimbo737 wrote:
158 seat 737-400’s operating as an LCC/ULCC in Canada.

There is no possible scenario, at any fuel price, that makes this a viable business plan.

Even Flair figured that out.


The biggest difference I see, not just with Flair and Westjet (with a bunch of clapped out -200s), is that Nolinor is already an established carrier currently flying.

If this venture were not to pan out, then the -400 can be used in its current Arctic operation. Or on demand charters without a lot of capital outlay when not flying. There is little place in the Arctic for a (runway loving) NG, or sitting around doing little.

In my opinion, like Flair and Westjet, when Nolinor purchases NGs for it’s OWG operation, it is a signal of success and commitment to ongoing operations. Right now, it looks more like dipping a toe into the water with minimal risk.


Nolinor's bread and butter is obviously the -200 game, and while old, they've invested a pile of money in those birds recently. I wouldn't call them clapped out. EDIT: I realize you were referring to WS' launch in 96 with those tired 732s

That said, I think the acquisition of the -400's will likely end up doing runs to paved arctic runways, and doing a lot of ad hoc charter work where the -200's capabilities aren't needed. I think this OWG is a low cost experiment for them to get their toes wet.

debonair wrote:
The new airline will be called OWG:
https://owg.com/
https://nolinor.com/en/news/launch-of-o ... w-airline/

Charter flights to the Caribbean with the B737-400... Reminds me of Air Transat B737-400 op. by Flair drama! Good luck!

@admin pls. can you update the title to "OWG-new Canadian airline"? THX


Given that it's an ex-Flair bird, you'll likely be able to recreate the Transat/Flair experience, now with even less comfortable seats.

I like Nolinor, but I don't think this pans out successfully long term.
 
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Re: Updated:Nolinor Aviation launching OWG-new Canadian airline

Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:47 pm

longhauler wrote:
jimbo737 wrote:
158 seat 737-400’s operating as an LCC/ULCC in Canada.

There is no possible scenario, at any fuel price, that makes this a viable business plan.

Even Flair figured that out.


The biggest difference I see, not just with Flair and Westjet (with a bunch of clapped out -200s), is that Nolinor is already an established carrier currently flying.

If this venture were not to pan out, then the -400 can be used in its current Arctic operation. Or on demand charters without a lot of capital outlay when not flying. There is little place in the Arctic for a (runway loving) NG, or sitting around doing little.

In my opinion, like Flair and Westjet, when Nolinor purchases NGs for it’s OWG operation, it is a signal of success and commitment to ongoing operations. Right now, it looks more like dipping a toe into the water with minimal risk.


Exactly my thoughts... the -400s are a cheap available frame to test out Sunshine routes for them, if it works out 800s or even MAX8s or A320s come in, if not the -400s either just go away or get cargo doors cut in and repainted Blue and White... either way very low risk for Nolinor to test the waters post COVID. They may be betting on Transat retrenching or going away entirely and a greatly reduced AC/Rouge presence helping them in that sector.

Now as for that paint scheme... certainly is going to stand out, but I wonder if it won't be "Whited" moving forward, all that dark blue and red isn't going to fade well.
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Re: Updated:Nolinor Aviation launching OWG-new Canadian airline

Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:04 pm

I wonder how Sunwing will respond.
 
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Re: Updated:Nolinor Aviation launching OWG-new Canadian airline

Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:06 pm

jimbo737 wrote:
158 seat 737-400’s operating as an LCC/ULCC in Canada.

There is no possible scenario, at any fuel price, that makes this a viable business plan.

Even Flair figured that out.

We’ve seen this movie before and we all know how it ends.


Nolinor has one huge advantage in Quebec that WS never will: the Quebec “chez nous” mindset. A 734 out of YUL or YQB will have no range issues like Flair did out west given the shorter distances. Sounds like they don’t want to (smartly) step on the toes of the “big boys” and will probably seek out an unserved route like YQB-RSW or maybe do PIE out of YUL instead of TPA. Like others have said, if the experiment fails, they can just roll these back into Nolinor “mainline”. If it succeeds, they sure have plenty of feedstocks to choose from nowadays...and an even bigger market in Ontario to explore.

cirrusdragoon wrote:
I wonder how Sunwing will respond.


WG aren’t one to retailiate. They do their own thing.
 
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Re: Nolinor Aviation launching new division

Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:37 pm

I have a somewhat limited knowledge of Canadian aviation, but that livery & brand looks exceptionally good.

I take it that if they're launching this now, Nolinor have been able to weather Covid farely well? Seems a strange time to start an airline.
 
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Re: Updated:Nolinor Aviation launching OWG-new Canadian airline

Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:47 am

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What is the meaning/significance of ‘OWG’?

"Off We Go"?
 
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Re: Updated:Nolinor Aviation launching OWG-new Canadian airline

Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:39 am

I wonder what their cost structure is going to look like , if they plan on being a full service airline. I wonder how they plan on providing enticing fares but with all the bells and whistles and manage to make a profit. Time will tell.

I do not believe Sunwing will just sit back watch their 24% of their Quebec market share be eroded by some upstart boutique service. They will indeed respond to new competition. They certainly had a response for Transat in 2009 when Sunwing accused them exploiting the economic downturn to justify its own irrational and predatory behaviour.
 
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Re: Updated:Nolinor Aviation launching OWG-new Canadian airline

Thu Jul 09, 2020 7:06 pm

FlyingElvii wrote:
Polot wrote:
What is the meaning/significance of ‘OWG’?

"Off We Go"?


Yep.
 
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Re: Updated:Nolinor Aviation launching OWG-new Canadian airline

Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:21 pm

The critical piece to making this succeed is where are they are going to get their revenue? Are they going to team up with Quebec or Ontario travel agents? At what commission rates?
Cater to potential FL cruise markets? Go it alone on their own platform?

3 B734s are not going to compete well against TS/WG/RV/WS... So I would agree this is low risk "dipping their toes". In a few years these air frames will most likely have a door cut into them and flying the newly paved northern runways. Somewhat surprised they didn't leave the KF ramp without the new doors to begin with :-)
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Re: Updated:Nolinor Aviation launching OWG-new Canadian airline

Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:16 am

Well, we know where OWG will be flying.

https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/a-2020-130

The applicant has applied to the Canadian Transportation Agency (Agency) for a licence to operate a scheduled international service, large aircraft, in accordance with the Arrangement between the Government of Canada and the Government of the Republic of Cuba
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Re: Updated:Nolinor Aviation launching OWG-new Canadian airline

Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:01 am

Thenoflyzone wrote:
Well, we know where OWG will be flying.

https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/a-2020-130

The applicant has applied to the Canadian Transportation Agency (Agency) for a licence to operate a scheduled international service, large aircraft, in accordance with the Arrangement between the Government of Canada and the Government of the Republic of Cuba


If they're using the N5 AOC, they can also serve sun destinations in the USA. The Dominican Republic should also be in reach. (The French Caribbean is just beyond the range of the B734 if flying from YQB, and would be pushing it even from YUL.) The B733 could reach the French Caribbean though. These B734s are extremely low-risk, although I do believe that within 2 years, they'll be in standard N5 livery.

BTW, is there a Boeing 737-400 quick change certified?
 
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Re: Updated:Nolinor Aviation launching OWG-new Canadian airline

Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:03 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
Thenoflyzone wrote:
Well, we know where OWG will be flying.

https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/a-2020-130

The applicant has applied to the Canadian Transportation Agency (Agency) for a licence to operate a scheduled international service, large aircraft, in accordance with the Arrangement between the Government of Canada and the Government of the Republic of Cuba


If they're using the N5 AOC, they can also serve sun destinations in the USA. The Dominican Republic should also be in reach. (The French Caribbean is just beyond the range of the B734 if flying from YQB, and would be pushing it even from YUL.) The B733 could reach the French Caribbean though. These B734s are extremely low-risk, although I do believe that within 2 years, they'll be in standard N5 livery.

BTW, is there a Boeing 737-400 quick change certified?


No quick change for anything but the -200s AFAIK. There is a 737-700C which can go full pax or full cargo bu that's it. There is an STC for a convertible -300 combi, looks like a combined effort between PEMCO and KFAero https://www.flightglobal.com/orders-and ... 56.article
 
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Re: Updated:Nolinor Aviation launching OWG-new Canadian airline

Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:12 pm

Pemco does 737-300 quick change and combi conversion.
For the 737-400 they only do the combi conversion that First air (now merged with Canadian North) use in the Canadian Arctic.

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Re: Updated:Nolinor Aviation launching OWG-new Canadian airline

Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:20 pm

I really like this livery!
Image

Photo credits to https://owg.com/
 
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Re: Updated:Nolinor Aviation launching OWG-new Canadian airline

Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:41 pm

Thenoflyzone wrote:
Well, we know where OWG will be flying.

https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/a-2020-130

The applicant has applied to the Canadian Transportation Agency (Agency) for a licence to operate a scheduled international service, large aircraft, in accordance with the Arrangement between the Government of Canada and the Government of the Republic of Cuba


They just signed an agreement with Caribe Sol/Hola Sun Vacations to be their carrier for their packages to Cuba instead of Air Transat which explains the application for travel to Cuba, and also secures some seats sales
 
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Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:10 pm

TWA302 wrote:
I really like this livery!
Image

Photo credits to https://owg.com/

I don't know, every time I see it, I honestly think of the AC Raptors logo A319 :lol:
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Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:57 pm

ACDC8 wrote:
I don't know, every time I see it, I honestly think of the AC Raptors logo A319 :lol:


That’s right. It was driving me crazy, but I see it now.

(btw, the Raptors aircraft was an A320)
 
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Re: Updated:Nolinor Aviation launching OWG-new Canadian airline

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:26 am

I now see where Nolinor is pushing to go ahead with OWG on 31 August, 2020. Scroll down on OWG's website & you will see a digital display counting down to the exact time that the launch is expected . . .

https://owg.com/en/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OWG
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