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DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:57 am

As we have a very healthy thread on the growth of Amazon fleet & network which sees a fair bit of discussion on DHL topics - there's some crossover between fleets - I thought it would make sense to have a discussion thread for the DHL fleet & network changes that seem to be ongoing at least in long haul at the moment.

Recent changes have seen introduction of a Western Global MD11 on MIA-BRU 5x a week (replacing B763/A332 operation) and new routes including ORD-EMA-CGN, HKG-GUM-SYD and a few months ago CVG-LHR and extra CVG-EMA rotations all operated by various mix of B763's.

Fleet wise there is always changes going on, and recently B763 N348AN has been added to the DHL-owned fleet for conversion in MEX.

The schedule for the MD11 on MIA-BRU sees departures at 1550 from MIA on days 23457, arr BRU 0630 the next day.
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:15 am

Aerologic started EMA-LAX-LEJ a couple Sundays ago
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:20 am

Keeping an eye on FR24 to see if that MD-11 heads back to CVG for any reason...not something you see every day on our ramp.

A new AirBridgeCargo 747 showed up today on 2nd shift ops...VQ-BFU, in place of VQ-BRJ which showed up twice last week.

And finally, not quite DHL but operated by Kalitta Charters II: N725CK seems to be stopping by VCV an awful lot lately. Is it not based out of Lexington and/or leased to Tex Sutton any more?
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:28 am

Harvestman wrote:
And finally, not quite DHL but operated by Kalitta Charters II: N725CK seems to be stopping by VCV an awful lot lately. Is it not based out of Lexington and/or leased to Tex Sutton any more?


I believe you mean SBD, and although I’m not 100% sure who operates it, I have seen it fly to SBD numerous times in the past before this recent spike in activity.
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:01 pm

Yesterday (07/07/2020) DHL had 4 add. Altas Air B-767-200 flights CVG - YHM (in addition to the regular flights operated by CargoJet) What was the reason for this significant increase?
All flights retured empty to CVG
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:16 pm

VCVSpotter wrote:
Harvestman wrote:
And finally, not quite DHL but operated by Kalitta Charters II: N725CK seems to be stopping by VCV an awful lot lately. Is it not based out of Lexington and/or leased to Tex Sutton any more?


I believe you mean SBD, and although I’m not 100% sure who operates it, I have seen it fly to SBD numerous times in the past before this recent spike in activity.


Yes it is SBD. It still runs the horse charters that operated out of ONT for decades. Late last year ONT basically kicked them out because they were running out of ramp space for them on the south side of the airport. For a while it was being run by N726CK while 725 was in heavy mx.
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:31 pm

EMA-JFK-CVG also started recently, along with EMA-JFK-BRU. The former had been operated by ABX, but seems to have switched to Amerijet. Latter has been operated by DHL.
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:38 pm

The HKG-ANC-CVG lane has been being operated by a variety of contractors recently, with MD11s and 747s, including flights by Western Global. Today (7/8), it looks like one of National's 744s (N919CA) is making the run, after dropping some stuff off on a military flight to Darwin in Australia. Nice to be able to pick up some business on the flight home...
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:54 am

Steelhead wrote:
Yesterday (07/07/2020) DHL had 4 add. Altas Air B-767-200 flights CVG - YHM (in addition to the regular flights operated by CargoJet) What was the reason for this significant increase?
All flights retured empty to CVG


CJT915 didn’t operate
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 09, 2020 6:57 am

Was wondering the same thing about YHM yesterday - ramp crews were scrambling well into 2nd shift to get all the freight rounded up. Mayhem on the ramp!

Something else to ponder: what will become of the four 757s that were retired in favor of the new 738s? Any chance that Cargojet picks them up?
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 09, 2020 7:14 am

What will happen to N531UA?
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:36 am

N311GT is now operated by Kalitta Charters II
N307GT is now operated by iAero
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:00 pm

Interesting to see that the rumours about Mesa flying 737s for DHL has finally been made official:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/mesa- ... 13-7911314

I wonder why DHL has decided to spread their pretty small 737 fleet out on so many operators. Kalitta II, iAero and now Mesa for just five frames?

I'm guessing Mesa will get two out of N305GT, N306GT and N309GT. Anyone know who will get the last one?
Or is DHL adding more 400Fs to the fleet?

What's the best place to find an accurate list of the whole DHL fleet?
Planespotters seems to be missing quite a lot of them. No Kalitta 747s and only one of the 767s are on there for example, and non of the ABX, Polar or Air Hongkong frames.
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:20 pm

I've made a list of most of the aircraft that have visited the CVG hub over the past couple years. Will post it when I get a chance.
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:09 am

This should cover most of the comers and goers at the CVG hub. I know for a fact that the Amazon listings are incomplete, and there's some other information missing, but this should give you a good idea of what's been out on the ramp in the past couple of years.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:25 pm

Sunday was a busy day at JFK, there were two EMA-JFK flights, and one BRU-JFK flight. Sunday flights from EMA just started recently, DHL must have a lot to haul from Europe.
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:25 pm

Harvestman wrote:
This should cover most of the comers and goers at the CVG hub. I know for a fact that the Amazon listings are incomplete, and there's some other information missing, but this should give you a good idea of what's been out on the ramp in the past couple of years.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing


Nice work!
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:03 pm

Harvestman wrote:
This should cover most of the comers and goers at the CVG hub. I know for a fact that the Amazon listings are incomplete, and there's some other information missing, but this should give you a good idea of what's been out on the ramp in the past couple of years.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

This is pretty awesome, thanks for sharing!

It's pretty incredible what DHL has done in CVG. Mostly thanks to them, in the past decade(ish) CVG has seen every modern a/c type from Airbus and Boeing; the B717/727/737/747/757/767/777/787 and A220/300/310/320/330/340/350/380 have all operated (either scheduled or ad-hoc) from CVG. Not many airports this size can make this claim
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:37 am

Thanks for the compliments - and as of today, there is yet another 747 from AirBridgeCargo to add to the list: VQ-BGZ.

I've noticed that KII has opted to put the "operated by" decals on the tail of N311GT, as opposed to where Southern had them on the nose.
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:07 pm

Just saw ASL A330 EI-HEC is leaving Hong Kong for Leipzig via Novosibirsk, does anyone know if it will be deployed on the European network from now on like EI-HEB?
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:43 pm

It's been rumoured that among the remaining ex Southern 737s, N305GT and N306GT are going to MESA and N309GT are going to iAero to join N307GT and the couple of 800Fs they've recently received.

That would leave Kalitta II with just N311GT which seems a bit odd. Or are KII getting more frames for DHL from other sources?

Interesting that they seems to be moving the converted A330s to the EU network while some of the EAT A300s are marked as stored. Are the A300s on their way out at DHL? Or are the A330s used to increase capacity?
I find it a bit strange that they haven't used EI-HEB on any transatlantic routes since she got back to EU even though them seem a bit short on TATL lift. I'd think they'd rather use her then having to lease a WGN MD11.

I see that Platespotters has updated their list of frames operated for DHL in the last couple of days. It's still missing Air Hongkong, ASL and probably a bunch of N-reg frames as well, but it's getting more complete.
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:45 pm

Harvestman wrote:
Thanks for the compliments - and as of today, there is yet another 747 from AirBridgeCargo to add to the list: VQ-BGZ.

I've noticed that KII has opted to put the "operated by" decals on the tail of N311GT, as opposed to where Southern had them on the nose.


NIce list! I can help with the ATSG and Amazon, but your list is very comprehensive!!

I was actually posting to say that that's interesting about the KII aircraft. I think on pax planes it has to be by the L1 door by regulation, but I guess boxes don't care.
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:07 pm

tofen wrote:
It's been rumoured that among the remaining ex Southern 737s, N305GT and N306GT are going to MESA and N309GT are going to iAero to join N307GT and the couple of 800Fs they've recently received.

That would leave Kalitta II with just N311GT which seems a bit odd. Or are KII getting more frames for DHL from other sources?


The problem with trying to define a DHL fleet is that there are many more chartered (ACMI) airplanes than there are CMI airplanes. K9 737s N733CK and N734CK are in hybrid DHL colors, but are chartered airplanes, while N311GT is CMI. It was a nightmare keeping track of which ABX 767-200s were chartered vs ATSG-leased to DHL. And you can take the problem right down to the Ameriflight/Martinaire/Wiggins airplanes that are chartered every night. Theoretically, these chartered airplanes can be rotated in and out of DHL service.
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:14 pm

Not sure if Air Hong Kong news belong to here, but their latest A330P2F has obviously entered into service and doing Singapore flights in the last couple of days, after being ferried back from Europe last months.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/b-ldr
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:24 pm

MD80MKE wrote:
Not sure if Air Hong Kong news belong to here, but their latest A330P2F has obviously entered into service and doing Singapore flights in the last couple of days, after being ferried back from Europe last months.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/b-ldr


That probably explains why EI-HEC is going back to Leipzig
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:50 pm

MO11 wrote:
tofen wrote:
It's been rumoured that among the remaining ex Southern 737s, N305GT and N306GT are going to MESA and N309GT are going to iAero to join N307GT and the couple of 800Fs they've recently received.

That would leave Kalitta II with just N311GT which seems a bit odd. Or are KII getting more frames for DHL from other sources?


The problem with trying to define a DHL fleet is that there are many more chartered (ACMI) airplanes than there are CMI airplanes. K9 737s N733CK and N734CK are in hybrid DHL colors, but are chartered airplanes, while N311GT is CMI. It was a nightmare keeping track of which ABX 767-200s were chartered vs ATSG-leased to DHL. And you can take the problem right down to the Ameriflight/Martinaire/Wiggins airplanes that are chartered every night. Theoretically, these chartered airplanes can be rotated in and out of DHL service.


You are right of course about the two in hybrid colours. I had forgot KII already has those. Makes more sense then, that 311GT will probably be put in the same rotation is those two.

But yes, the DHL fleet is not easy to keep track of since such a big part is ACMI/CMI with frames coming and going frequently and also moving between operators. I've always assumed that the ones that gets painted in DHL livery (either full or hybrid/partial) would be utilized exclusively for DHL, while the ones that don't aren't necessarily doing DHL exclusively.
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:46 am

tofen wrote:
I see that Platespotters has updated their list of frames operated for DHL in the last couple of days. It's still missing Air Hongkong, ASL and probably a bunch of N-reg frames as well, but it's getting more complete.


I see even more frames are added to the DHL fleet list now. I see a bunch of Air Honkong and ASL has been added since yesterday.
Even the Aviastar TU204 is on there now. Good job to whoever's working on that!
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:02 pm

tofen wrote:
It's been rumoured that among the remaining ex Southern 737s, N305GT and N306GT are going to MESA and N309GT are going to iAero to join N307GT and the couple of 800Fs they've recently received.

That would leave Kalitta II with just N311GT which seems a bit odd. Or are KII getting more frames for DHL from other sources?

Interesting that they seems to be moving the converted A330s to the EU network while some of the EAT A300s are marked as stored. Are the A300s on their way out at DHL? Or are the A330s used to increase capacity?
I find it a bit strange that they haven't used EI-HEB on any transatlantic routes since she got back to EU even though them seem a bit short on TATL lift. I'd think they'd rather use her then having to lease a WGN MD11.

I see that Platespotters has updated their list of frames operated for DHL in the last couple of days. It's still missing Air Hongkong, ASL and probably a bunch of N-reg frames as well, but it's getting more complete.

It's true that for some of the EAT A300s, planespotters.net says: Airframe status - stored, but when you compare that to the list at https://sites.google.com/site/lhgroupfleet/others , these aircraft are actually at maintenance. The site even indicates that 4 A300s will be transferred from Air Hong Kong to EAT.
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:03 pm

Makes sense, one a300 were transfered from AHK to EAT in early 2020 and I think at least one more is heading that way. Maybe AHK will be taking all 10 a330p2f on order and EAT will expand their a300 fleet instead?
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:34 am

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Makes sense, one a300 were transfered from AHK to EAT in early 2020 and I think at least one more is heading that way. Maybe AHK will be taking all 10 a330p2f on order and EAT will expand their a300 fleet instead?

Yes this would make sense if more a330p2f go to AHK.

By the way: skyliner-aviation.de is reporting that A333 MSN 1107 Lufthansa Technik D-AAEE ferried CHR-DRS today.
I assume that it was ferried to DRS for cargo conversion, as the registrations D-AAEA to D-AAED were used for DHL A333 cargo conversions.

According to planespotters.net, there are currently three more A333 at DRS for conversion:
MSN 781 (since 4 Jul 2019), MSN 1124 (since 10 Mar 2020) and MSN 713 (since 16 Jul 2020).
That would mean that the A330P2F conversions at DRS are running at full capacity, as EFW can do up to four simultaneous A330 conversions there at the moment, see https://www.cargoforwarder.eu/2020/05/2 ... n-upswing/
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:51 pm

Question about Aerologic ops

Most of the last Aerologic 777 deliveries are in full DHL cs. Is there a dedicated ops/dedicated routes for them or are they also flying the regular schedule, including weekend ops for LH cargo from FRA?

BTW also got info that one of the CEO Joe Moser still on bord flying them home, despite his reitirement from commercial service last year. Also with the last delivery yesterday.
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:05 pm

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Question about Aerologic ops

Most of the last Aerologic 777 deliveries are in full DHL cs. Is there a dedicated ops/dedicated routes for them or are they also flying the regular schedule, including weekend ops for LH cargo from FRA?

BTW also got info that one of the CEO Joe Moser still on bord flying them home, despite his reitirement from commercial service last year. Also with the last delivery yesterday.


The frames in the DHL livery are also swapped between the LEJ service (DHL) and FRA service (LH) like all the frames in the normal livery. There is no difference currently, however I do not know what is the plan in the long term.
They just started to paint aircraft in the DHL livery last year, the previous arrangement between the Aerologic shareholders (LH and DHL each own 50%) was to keep the airline independent.
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:48 pm

a2b7 wrote:
tofen wrote:
It's been rumoured that among the remaining ex Southern 737s, N305GT and N306GT are going to MESA and N309GT are going to iAero to join N307GT and the couple of 800Fs they've recently received.

That would leave Kalitta II with just N311GT which seems a bit odd. Or are KII getting more frames for DHL from other sources?

Interesting that they seems to be moving the converted A330s to the EU network while some of the EAT A300s are marked as stored. Are the A300s on their way out at DHL? Or are the A330s used to increase capacity?
I find it a bit strange that they haven't used EI-HEB on any transatlantic routes since she got back to EU even though them seem a bit short on TATL lift. I'd think they'd rather use her then having to lease a WGN MD11.

I see that Platespotters has updated their list of frames operated for DHL in the last couple of days. It's still missing Air Hongkong, ASL and probably a bunch of N-reg frames as well, but it's getting more complete.

It's true that for some of the EAT A300s, planespotters.net says: Airframe status - stored, but when you compare that to the list at https://sites.google.com/site/lhgroupfleet/others , these aircraft are actually at maintenance. The site even indicates that 4 A300s will be transferred from Air Hong Kong to EAT.



B-LDM and B-LDN is ex-JAL -622R previously served in Europe before, -LDM has left and -LDN is still in Hong Kong a couple of weeks ago, they have been quite busy lately and have 2 banks now, flying also daytime. When DHL sold its share on Air Hong Kong, it also bought the 8 -605F bought brand new by Air Hong Kong 2004-2006 but we have not heard when they are leaving on HK side. The A330-300F are here to replace 744BCF and they are likely to transit to all RR powered 330 fleet, when crews are ready
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:02 pm

And N605DL is now back in the air for DHL, running CVG-ATL-CVG.
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:12 pm

B-HOP wrote:
a2b7 wrote:
tofen wrote:
It's been rumoured that among the remaining ex Southern 737s, N305GT and N306GT are going to MESA and N309GT are going to iAero to join N307GT and the couple of 800Fs they've recently received.

That would leave Kalitta II with just N311GT which seems a bit odd. Or are KII getting more frames for DHL from other sources?

Interesting that they seems to be moving the converted A330s to the EU network while some of the EAT A300s are marked as stored. Are the A300s on their way out at DHL? Or are the A330s used to increase capacity?
I find it a bit strange that they haven't used EI-HEB on any transatlantic routes since she got back to EU even though them seem a bit short on TATL lift. I'd think they'd rather use her then having to lease a WGN MD11.

I see that Platespotters has updated their list of frames operated for DHL in the last couple of days. It's still missing Air Hongkong, ASL and probably a bunch of N-reg frames as well, but it's getting more complete.

It's true that for some of the EAT A300s, planespotters.net says: Airframe status - stored, but when you compare that to the list at https://sites.google.com/site/lhgroupfleet/others , these aircraft are actually at maintenance. The site even indicates that 4 A300s will be transferred from Air Hong Kong to EAT.



B-LDM and B-LDN is ex-JAL -622R previously served in Europe before, -LDM has left and -LDN is still in Hong Kong a couple of weeks ago, they have been quite busy lately and have 2 banks now, flying also daytime. When DHL sold its share on Air Hong Kong, it also bought the 8 -605F bought brand new by Air Hong Kong 2004-2006 but we have not heard when they are leaving on HK side. The A330-300F are here to replace 744BCF and they are likely to transit to all RR powered 330 fleet, when crews are ready

So I’m assuming that, the European Branch ASL will utilise only PW powered frames incl 330 conversions in their fleet. Whilst the HK branch will host just RR & GE powered frames. That is, if the A300’s are still here to stay in HK for the foreseeable future.
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:50 pm

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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:23 pm

a2b7 wrote:
MixtureRich wrote:
Makes sense, one a300 were transfered from AHK to EAT in early 2020 and I think at least one more is heading that way. Maybe AHK will be taking all 10 a330p2f on order and EAT will expand their a300 fleet instead?

Yes this would make sense if more a330p2f go to AHK.

By the way: skyliner-aviation.de is reporting that A333 MSN 1107 Lufthansa Technik D-AAEE ferried CHR-DRS today.
I assume that it was ferried to DRS for cargo conversion, as the registrations D-AAEA to D-AAED were used for DHL A333 cargo conversions.

According to planespotters.net, there are currently three more A333 at DRS for conversion:
MSN 781 (since 4 Jul 2019), MSN 1124 (since 10 Mar 2020) and MSN 713 (since 16 Jul 2020).
That would mean that the A330P2F conversions at DRS are running at full capacity, as EFW can do up to four simultaneous A330 conversions there at the moment, see https://www.cargoforwarder.eu/2020/05/2 ... n-upswing/


Any idea what’s holding MSN 781 for this long (over a year now)? MSN 777 which entered about the same time has already been completed and put into service. Or does the entering of 1107 signal of the imminent exit of 781?

Anyway good sign that EFW is finally ramping up the volume as it basically ran at half capacity the past couple years. Hopefully the demand will pick up.

Also does anyone know if MSN 713 has a known operator yet? Last time I read this is not a DHL frame.
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:26 am

BOEING777EK wrote:
B-HOP wrote:
a2b7 wrote:
It's true that for some of the EAT A300s, planespotters.net says: Airframe status - stored, but when you compare that to the list at https://sites.google.com/site/lhgroupfleet/others , these aircraft are actually at maintenance. The site even indicates that 4 A300s will be transferred from Air Hong Kong to EAT.



B-LDM and B-LDN is ex-JAL -622R previously served in Europe before, -LDM has left and -LDN is still in Hong Kong a couple of weeks ago, they have been quite busy lately and have 2 banks now, flying also daytime. When DHL sold its share on Air Hong Kong, it also bought the 8 -605F bought brand new by Air Hong Kong 2004-2006 but we have not heard when they are leaving on HK side. The A330-300F are here to replace 744BCF and they are likely to transit to all RR powered 330 fleet, when crews are ready

So I’m assuming that, the European Branch ASL will utilise only PW powered frames incl 330 conversions in their fleet. Whilst the HK branch will host just RR & GE powered frames. That is, if the A300’s are still here to stay in HK for the foreseeable future.


EI-HEC also left Hong Kong on Saturday, couple of my spotting friends took the photo of it leaving, replaced by B-LDR ex MU, looks like they would want to have, ultimately, all RR powered -300 and get commonality with the CX/KA fleet, although they have 2 ex EY 332F on EI reg operating now, with A300 all head to Europe
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:00 pm

Heard from a few of my former 3rd shift coworkers that some plane on the CVG cargo ramp experienced a brake failure of some sort while taxiing or parking and rolled into another plane on the opposite side of the ramp. No idea which planes were involved or how accurate those reports are.
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:32 am

MD80MKE wrote:
a2b7 wrote:
MixtureRich wrote:
Makes sense, one a300 were transfered from AHK to EAT in early 2020 and I think at least one more is heading that way. Maybe AHK will be taking all 10 a330p2f on order and EAT will expand their a300 fleet instead?

Yes this would make sense if more a330p2f go to AHK.

By the way: skyliner-aviation.de is reporting that A333 MSN 1107 Lufthansa Technik D-AAEE ferried CHR-DRS today.
I assume that it was ferried to DRS for cargo conversion, as the registrations D-AAEA to D-AAED were used for DHL A333 cargo conversions.

According to planespotters.net, there are currently three more A333 at DRS for conversion:
MSN 781 (since 4 Jul 2019), MSN 1124 (since 10 Mar 2020) and MSN 713 (since 16 Jul 2020).
That would mean that the A330P2F conversions at DRS are running at full capacity, as EFW can do up to four simultaneous A330 conversions there at the moment, see https://www.cargoforwarder.eu/2020/05/2 ... n-upswing/


Any idea what’s holding MSN 781 for this long (over a year now)? MSN 777 which entered about the same time has already been completed and put into service. Or does the entering of 1107 signal of the imminent exit of 781?

Anyway good sign that EFW is finally ramping up the volume as it basically ran at half capacity the past couple years. Hopefully the demand will pick up.

Also does anyone know if MSN 713 has a known operator yet? Last time I read this is not a DHL frame.

It could be that MSN 781 needs more time than MSN 777, because MSN 777 was the first -300 with higher payload to be converted, and they will apply the experience gained to MSN 781 now. Anyway the conversion should be completed well before the end of the year, as DHL is expecting delivery of two more this year.
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:02 pm

In addition to the 4 767-300BDSF order a couple weeks ago, DHL is adding 4 767-300BCF

https://theloadstar.com/dhl-joins-rush- ... four-767s/
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:05 am

Allee wrote:
In addition to the 4 767-300BDSF order a couple weeks ago, DHL is adding 4 767-300BCF

https://theloadstar.com/dhl-joins-rush- ... four-767s/


Great info, as usual, Allee!

The article references DHL entering into short-term leases with ATSG for two 767 freighters this month. I assume that those are the ABX-Air-operated freighters that are being used to do the CVG-ORD-EMA-CGN-EMA-ORD-CVG runs, which require two aircraft to maintain daily weekday departures? Or do you think they're talking about something else?

I also thought it interesting that Precision is getting inquiries about 757 conversions, which I thought were pretty-much over. Maybe the key word was "inquiries". If Precision can get that A321 program it has with ATSG really moving, now would be a great time to collect more orders. But realistically, they probably have missed the window.

Finally, on a snarky note, I noticed that the article said that "all of Boeing's conversion lines are located in China". Right after talking about the 3-and-more-coming 767 conversion lines. REALLY?

I know the Mainland Chinese Government considers TPE (indeed, all of Taiwan) to be "in China", so maybe one could be excused for saying that TPE "is in China", but what about QPG? Did China annex Singapore while I wasn't looking? Do journalists these days even think for a second about what they are writing? I know nobody edits them anymore, but "all of Boeing's conversion lines are located in China"?
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:44 am

With American retiring all 757S, the feedstock for conversions has probably become more interesting again. AA had quite a few 757s that is around 20 years old and has alot of life left in them.
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:58 am

When I was involved with DHL quite a few years ago, we attempted to make a complete and detailed list of all the airlines operating for DHL including the specific airframes they operated, their configurations, maximum weights and so on. My memory is a bit fuzzy, but I seem to recall there we got the order of around 60 different airlines globally "in the book". But we also knew that was not all of them; it was neigh on impossible to get reliable information on quite a few airlines operating in Africa and South America, as they came and went at highly irregular intervals. 60 airlines is probably a pretty good number, but when someone with inside information is unable to get a complete picture, that should tell you it's impossible for someone outside the organisation to do so.

Not trying to dissuade anyone from having a go at it, by all means knock yourselves out, let's just not pretend what is being listed here is anywhere near even approaching a full overview.
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:43 pm

wjcandee wrote:
Allee wrote:
In addition to the 4 767-300BDSF order a couple weeks ago, DHL is adding 4 767-300BCF

https://theloadstar.com/dhl-joins-rush- ... four-767s/


Great info, as usual, Allee!

The article references DHL entering into short-term leases with ATSG for two 767 freighters this month. I assume that those are the ABX-Air-operated freighters that are being used to do the CVG-ORD-EMA-CGN-EMA-ORD-CVG runs, which require two aircraft to maintain daily weekday departures? Or do you think they're talking about something else?

I also thought it interesting that Precision is getting inquiries about 757 conversions, which I thought were pretty-much over. Maybe the key word was "inquiries". If Precision can get that A321 program it has with ATSG really moving, now would be a great time to collect more orders. But realistically, they probably have missed the window.

Finally, on a snarky note, I noticed that the article said that "all of Boeing's conversion lines are located in China". Right after talking about the 3-and-more-coming 767 conversion lines. REALLY?

I know the Mainland Chinese Government considers TPE (indeed, all of Taiwan) to be "in China", so maybe one could be excused for saying that TPE "is in China", but what about QPG? Did China annex Singapore while I wasn't looking? Do journalists these days even think for a second about what they are writing? I know nobody edits them anymore, but "all of Boeing's conversion lines are located in China"?
C'mon. Sad.

Some PCF 757 conversions are still ongoing: there are at least 3 ex-TUI 757s at AMECO at CTU at the moment, which will be delivered to SF Airlines (LN: 1028, 1029 and 1041), see planespotters.net.
And I wouldn't be surprised if SF Airlines ordered more as they continue expanding.
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:57 pm

B-HOP wrote:
BOEING777EK wrote:
B-HOP wrote:


B-LDM and B-LDN is ex-JAL -622R previously served in Europe before, -LDM has left and -LDN is still in Hong Kong a couple of weeks ago, they have been quite busy lately and have 2 banks now, flying also daytime. When DHL sold its share on Air Hong Kong, it also bought the 8 -605F bought brand new by Air Hong Kong 2004-2006 but we have not heard when they are leaving on HK side. The A330-300F are here to replace 744BCF and they are likely to transit to all RR powered 330 fleet, when crews are ready

So I’m assuming that, the European Branch ASL will utilise only PW powered frames incl 330 conversions in their fleet. Whilst the HK branch will host just RR & GE powered frames. That is, if the A300’s are still here to stay in HK for the foreseeable future.


EI-HEC also left Hong Kong on Saturday, couple of my spotting friends took the photo of it leaving, replaced by B-LDR ex MU, looks like they would want to have, ultimately, all RR powered -300 and get commonality with the CX/KA fleet, although they have 2 ex EY 332F on EI reg operating now, with A300 all head to Europe


Makes sense from an asset-utilization standpoint. Those HK A300s were doing some 4+ hour stage lengths twice a day in some cases, so they have cycles to burn on the short European legs.
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:22 pm

MD80MKE wrote:
a2b7 wrote:
MixtureRich wrote:
Makes sense, one a300 were transfered from AHK to EAT in early 2020 and I think at least one more is heading that way. Maybe AHK will be taking all 10 a330p2f on order and EAT will expand their a300 fleet instead?

Yes this would make sense if more a330p2f go to AHK.

By the way: skyliner-aviation.de is reporting that A333 MSN 1107 Lufthansa Technik D-AAEE ferried CHR-DRS today.
I assume that it was ferried to DRS for cargo conversion, as the registrations D-AAEA to D-AAED were used for DHL A333 cargo conversions.

According to planespotters.net, there are currently three more A333 at DRS for conversion:
MSN 781 (since 4 Jul 2019), MSN 1124 (since 10 Mar 2020) and MSN 713 (since 16 Jul 2020).
That would mean that the A330P2F conversions at DRS are running at full capacity, as EFW can do up to four simultaneous A330 conversions there at the moment, see https://www.cargoforwarder.eu/2020/05/2 ... n-upswing/


Any idea what’s holding MSN 781 for this long (over a year now)? MSN 777 which entered about the same time has already been completed and put into service. Or does the entering of 1107 signal of the imminent exit of 781?

Anyway good sign that EFW is finally ramping up the volume as it basically ran at half capacity the past couple years. Hopefully the demand will pick up.

Also does anyone know if MSN 713 has a known operator yet? Last time I read this is not a DHL frame.

skyliner-aviation.de reports that MSN 781 ferried DRS-MLA for paint before delivery today, i.e., the cargo conversion should be finished now.
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Mon Aug 10, 2020 2:32 am

A few questions about days gone by:

From what I've read, Airborne Express made a fairly big deal about the fact that they did in-house conversions. When did they stop those conversions?

When were 747s introduced into the DHL network? It was after the ILN-to-CVG move, correct?

...and what is the deal with N976AX, the DC-9 that has been sitting on the tarmac at ILN for over a decade with painted-out DHL logos? Who owns it and why is it still there?
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:19 am

Airborne didn't really do "conversions" in the sense of cutting a cargo door. Using "C" containers, they would roll them in the L1 door, and so didn't need to do the kind of structural modifications that cutting a door would entail. All the 767 conversions that involved cutting a cargo door were done at IAI. I'm not sure about the ones with the C containers. DHL made Airborne (ABX) dump the C containers over time. One of many operational changes foisted too fast, which FUBARed the US domestic operation and led to its shutdown and the retreat to CVG.
 
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Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:49 pm

So 752CX, an ATI combi, started flying the CVG-DTW-CVG route last night for DHL. Apparently subbing for another carrier's aircraft in maintenance for like 5 weeks. Shows how scarce short-term contract lift is these days. I'm a little surprised that they didn't go to KII for a 727 (or maybe it's not available), given that the Combi is only going to hold 10 cans -- less than a 738.

ATI generally has an extra combi or 2 available, because all 4 are not flying every day on military missions. They brought one 752 (605DL) back into service for DHL to cover ELP for now, and have 3 others in mothballs, but apparently ATSG wasn't willing to endure the expense to un-mothball an aircraft just for a 5-week gig.

IMHO, DHL never should have taken them out of service in the first place.

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