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2 AA aircraft hit each other at DFW

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:30 pm
by luv2cattlecall
Have a family member on AA3301, and E175, and she said boarding was halted due to another aircraft hitting their plane. Don't have any other details at the moment.

Re: 2 AA aircraft hit each other at DFW

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:48 pm
by zuckie13
I swear officer, the plane parked at the gate with the Jetway attached just came out of nowhere and hit me!

Guess a pilot misjudged and a wing walker didn't catch it.

Re: 2 AA aircraft hit each other at DFW

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:30 pm
by TMccrury
zuckie13 wrote:
I swear officer, the plane parked at the gate with the Jetway attached just came out of nowhere and hit me!

Guess a pilot misjudged and a wing walker didn't catch it.


This is great.

Re: 2 AA aircraft hit each other at DFW

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:41 pm
by Web500sjc
zuckie13 wrote:
I swear officer, the plane parked at the gate with the Jetway attached just came out of nowhere and hit me!

Guess a pilot misjudged and a wing walker didn't catch it.



Generally not far off. From the cockpit you really have to stretch in order to see a wing tip (even then you can only see the one on the same side), that is why airplanes use center lines, lead-in lines, wing walkers and have a “clear area” around the gate.

Re: 2 AA aircraft hit each other at DFW

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:27 pm
by JohnAudiR18
oh dear..... any word on what plane collided with the 175???

Re: 2 AA aircraft hit each other at DFW

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:01 am
by Antarius
Wow. Given the lack of traffic, this is like crashing on an empty freeway.

Re: 2 AA aircraft hit each other at DFW

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:09 am
by FSDan
I didn't think they let Doug Parker actually drive the planes... :duck:

Re: 2 AA aircraft hit each other at DFW

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:16 am
by wjcandee
If you've ever read the written reports the wing-walkers write in their own hands after an incident like this, you will quickly understand -- at least at some stations -- why this kind of thing happens.

Re: 2 AA aircraft hit each other at DFW

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:25 am
by alasizon
Antarius wrote:
Wow. Given the lack of traffic, this is like crashing on an empty freeway.


Clearly you missed how busy DFW has been.

Either way, in order for a two aircraft incident to happen, all it takes is two aircraft; not hundreds.

JohnAudiR18 wrote:
oh dear..... any word on what plane collided with the 175???

Hearing it was another E175.

Re: 2 AA aircraft hit each other at DFW

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:30 am
by CaptainObvious1
JohnAudiR18 wrote:
oh dear..... any word on what plane collided with the 175???


It was an "Error Plane" :wave:

Hopefully no injuries other than egos.

Re: 2 AA aircraft hit each other at DFW

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:07 am
by luv2cattlecall
FSDan wrote:
I didn't think they let Doug Parker actually drive the planes... :duck:


Brilliant!

Aren't the jet bridges for gates B1 and B2 really close to each other? Of all the gates for this to happen at, this would be one of the least surprising.

Re: 2 AA aircraft hit each other at DFW

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:20 am
by TTailedTiger
Well the good news is that they have plenty of spares.

Re: 2 AA aircraft hit each other at DFW

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:43 am
by airtran737
alasizon wrote:
Antarius wrote:
Wow. Given the lack of traffic, this is like crashing on an empty freeway.


Clearly you missed how busy DFW has been.

Either way, in order for a two aircraft incident to happen, all it takes is two aircraft; not hundreds.

JohnAudiR18 wrote:
oh dear..... any word on what plane collided with the 175???

Hearing it was another E175.


It was another 175. They marshaled him in on the wrong line.

Re: 2 AA aircraft hit each other at DFW

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:58 am
by hongkongflyer
Antarius wrote:
Wow. Given the lack of traffic, this is like crashing on an empty freeway.


Because it also means lack of practice and alert.

Re: 2 AA aircraft hit each other at DFW

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:22 am
by FlyingElvii
3301 Is ENVOY. I assume the other one is, as well?

Re: 2 AA aircraft hit each other at DFW

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:32 am
by Joshu
This thread has provided such minimal information so far.

Re: 2 AA aircraft hit each other at DFW

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:46 am
by rajincajun01
Joshu wrote:
This thread has provided such minimal information so far.

Two E175s made contact after one was marshaled in on the wrong line at DFW. It’s literally all there.

Re: 2 AA aircraft hit each other at DFW

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:12 pm
by reltney
If they were both Envoy planes, the thread title is incorrect.... write that off to poor journalism or armchair aviators...
Yup, I am that critical and so should you. The pilots paycheck says Envoy, not American....

Re: 2 AA aircraft hit each other at DFW

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:01 pm
by Wacker1000
Nice to see AA's attention to detail trickling down to the regionals.

Re: 2 AA aircraft hit each other at DFW

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:17 pm
by ScottB
reltney wrote:
If they were both Envoy planes, the thread title is incorrect.... write that off to poor journalism or armchair aviators...
Yup, I am that critical and so should you. The pilots paycheck says Envoy, not American....


However, Envoy is a wholly-owned subsidiary of American Airlines Group, the aircraft livery is nearly identical to American's livery, and it's likely that every single passenger on both planes bought tickets on American, not Envoy. As usual with the U.S. legacy carriers, they're happy to put their branding on an outsourced product when things go mostly fine, but when there's a screw-up, "Oh, that wasn't actually American, it was Envoy."

Re: 2 AA aircraft hit each other at DFW

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:49 pm
by AirKevin
Antarius wrote:
Wow. Given the lack of traffic, this is like crashing on an empty freeway.

As a truck driver, you'd be surprised how many times I've seen that happen.

Re: 2 AA aircraft hit each other at DFW

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:22 pm
by Antarius
ScottB wrote:
reltney wrote:
If they were both Envoy planes, the thread title is incorrect.... write that off to poor journalism or armchair aviators...
Yup, I am that critical and so should you. The pilots paycheck says Envoy, not American....


However, Envoy is a wholly-owned subsidiary of American Airlines Group, the aircraft livery is nearly identical to American's livery, and it's likely that every single passenger on both planes bought tickets on American, not Envoy. As usual with the U.S. legacy carriers, they're happy to put their branding on an outsourced product when things go mostly fine, but when there's a screw-up, "Oh, that wasn't actually American, it was Envoy."


Its the same as hotels. There are a few pedants who like to point out that it isn't Marriott that's at fault but xyz nameless operating company. End of the day, what matters is the livery outside.

Re: 2 AA aircraft hit each other at DFW

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:30 pm
by arcticcruiser
Slow newsday much?

Re: 2 AA aircraft hit each other at DFW

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:33 pm
by zuckie13
airtran737 wrote:
alasizon wrote:
Antarius wrote:
Wow. Given the lack of traffic, this is like crashing on an empty freeway.


Clearly you missed how busy DFW has been.

Either way, in order for a two aircraft incident to happen, all it takes is two aircraft; not hundreds.

JohnAudiR18 wrote:
oh dear..... any word on what plane collided with the 175???

Hearing it was another E175.


It was another 175. They marshaled him in on the wrong line.


I just looked at that gate and the one next to it on Google Maps - yeah, that is just a dumb design there. Three different lines for B1, including two parallel ones that are 10 feet apart maybe. Pick a gate size for that gate and clean that mess up. Not like there is a lack of gates for AA at that airport.

Re: 2 AA aircraft hit each other at DFW

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:58 pm
by Antarius
zuckie13 wrote:
airtran737 wrote:
alasizon wrote:

Clearly you missed how busy DFW has been.

Either way, in order for a two aircraft incident to happen, all it takes is two aircraft; not hundreds.


Hearing it was another E175.


It was another 175. They marshaled him in on the wrong line.


I just looked at that gate and the one next to it on Google Maps - yeah, that is just a dumb design there. Three different lines for B1, including two parallel ones that are 10 feet apart maybe. Pick a gate size for that gate and clean that mess up. Not like there is a lack of gates for AA at that airport.


Actually there is a lack of gates at DFW. Right now, its less crazy that it is, but the airport has been desperately needing a new terminal and additional gates for a while.

But yes, B1-B3 are the worst gates. They are these add on gates that link to the terminal D FIS.

Re: 2 AA aircraft hit each other at DFW

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:01 pm
by alasizon
zuckie13 wrote:
I just looked at that gate and the one next to it on Google Maps - yeah, that is just a dumb design there. Three different lines for B1, including two parallel ones that are 10 feet apart maybe. Pick a gate size for that gate and clean that mess up. Not like there is a lack of gates for AA at that airport.


It actually isn't that bad, it isn't like there are multiple E175 stop blocks on the ground. As part of the expansion to accommodate ML at the low B gates they had to add a few new lead-in lines but either way ramp agents should be pretty cognizant of where they are going to stop the aircraft and since the Envoy agents only ever work the regional lead-in lines, they should be pretty familiar.

B1A, B2 and B3A are the regional lines while B1 and B3 are the Mainline lead-in lines and B1X is the widebody gate. One has to remember these are also FIS capable gates. It wouldn't be possible to move B1 to the south to share the same lead-in line as B1A as that would block D38 and D40.

Re: 2 AA aircraft hit each other at DFW

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:05 pm
by FlyingElvii
reltney wrote:
If they were both Envoy planes, the thread title is incorrect.... write that off to poor journalism or armchair aviators...
Yup, I am that critical and so should you. The pilots paycheck says Envoy, not American....

True, but if you ask an actual Envoy Employee who they work for, almost every one will say "American Airlines".

Re: 2 AA aircraft hit each other at DFW

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:41 pm
by AAlaxfan
Is there a link to any article?

Re: 2 AA aircraft hit each other at DFW

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:40 pm
by zuckie13
alasizon wrote:
zuckie13 wrote:
I just looked at that gate and the one next to it on Google Maps - yeah, that is just a dumb design there. Three different lines for B1, including two parallel ones that are 10 feet apart maybe. Pick a gate size for that gate and clean that mess up. Not like there is a lack of gates for AA at that airport.


It actually isn't that bad, it isn't like there are multiple E175 stop blocks on the ground. As part of the expansion to accommodate ML at the low B gates they had to add a few new lead-in lines but either way ramp agents should be pretty cognizant of where they are going to stop the aircraft and since the Envoy agents only ever work the regional lead-in lines, they should be pretty familiar.

B1A, B2 and B3A are the regional lines while B1 and B3 are the Mainline lead-in lines and B1X is the widebody gate. One has to remember these are also FIS capable gates. It wouldn't be possible to move B1 to the south to share the same lead-in line as B1A as that would block D38 and D40.


Thanks, that explains why it is the mess it is. Yeah, Ramp agent should know, but pilot could easily get confused if they don't know the gate well, especially with the line numbers not immediately next to each other (B1X and B1 are right at the roadway edge, B1A is set back from it).