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Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:48 am

Vietnamese article: https://vnexpress.net/bamboo-airways-muon-bay-con-dao-tu-thang-8-4126041.html
Bamboo Airways said it has researched and reported to the Aviation Department about the operation plan of Embraer's aircraft line, with a configuration of 110 - 120 seats to fly to Con Dao (VCS, a small airport with 1800m runway).

Representative of Bamboo Airways said that the above plan is waiting for the approval of Aviation Department. "If approved, Bamboo Airways plans to operate return flights from the North and the Central to Con Dao from August 1," the representative said. The airline is also planning to invest in buying four new Embraer jets to serve the plan.


Even though it said that it would "order new aircraft", it is impossible for QH to order the aircraft now and receive those airframes immediately from August (next month).

Btw, Royal Air Maroc is returning its 4 E190 back to the lessors. QH might take up those airframes.

How do you think about that?

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Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:54 am

Many Embraer 190s out there are ready to be leased ex Air Canada, American, JetBlue, RAM and many more airlines getting rid of them! Good for Bamboo that will give home to 4 frames.

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Many Embraer 190s out there are ready to be leased ex Air Canada, American, JetBlue, RAM and many more airlines getting rid of them! Good for Bamboo that will give home to 4 frames.

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In fact as Vietnamese carriers cannot register airframes which are older than 10 y/o, and most AC/AA/Jetblue frames are too old, I don't think that QH would take any from these carriers.
However, RAM's airframes are just more than 5 years old, and RAM are discarding exactly 4 airframes, so it makes perfect sense that Bamboo had a call with Nordic Aviation for a nice lease contract for those airframes (Emb Serial 19000680, *681, *682 and *684)
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Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:13 am

Oh, nice to know that! NAC is in desperately need to allocate those frames! Good and fast move!

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Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:45 am

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Many Embraer 190s out there are ready to be leased ex Air Canada, American, JetBlue, RAM and many more airlines getting rid of them! Good for Bamboo that will give home to 4 frames.

g77

In fact as Vietnamese carriers cannot register airframes which are older than 10 y/o, and most AC/AA/Jetblue frames are too old, I don't think that QH would take any from these carriers.
However, RAM's airframes are just more than 5 years old, and RAM are discarding exactly 4 airframes, so it makes perfect sense that Bamboo had a call with Nordic Aviation for a nice lease contract for those airframes (Emb Serial 19000680, *681, *682 and *684)


The article does say 110-120 seats, which suggests an E195, not E190. There is a fair bunch of young E190s and E195s available within short notice, not least those from Azul but also Helvetica who are replacing then with E2s.
 
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Many Embraer 190s out there are ready to be leased ex Air Canada, American, JetBlue, RAM and many more airlines getting rid of them! Good for Bamboo that will give home to 4 frames.

g77

In fact as Vietnamese carriers cannot register airframes which are older than 10 y/o, and most AC/AA/Jetblue frames are too old, I don't think that QH would take any from these carriers.
However, RAM's airframes are just more than 5 years old, and RAM are discarding exactly 4 airframes, so it makes perfect sense that Bamboo had a call with Nordic Aviation for a nice lease contract for those airframes (Emb Serial 19000680, *681, *682 and *684)


The article does say 110-120 seats, which suggests an E195, not E190. There is a fair bunch of young E190s and E195s available within short notice, not least those from Azul but also Helvetica who are replacing then with E2s.

In other article QH said it wants E190/195, so I believe that there is still a chance for the E190.
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Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:15 am

How I wish they or somebody else would improve the air traffic connections to Northern Vietnam... :-/
 
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How I wish they or somebody else would improve the air traffic connections to Northern Vietnam... :-/


QH could use those regional jets to DIN (Dien Bien Phu), which is a small but important airport in Northern Vietnam region
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Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:31 am

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How I wish they or somebody else would improve the air traffic connections to Northern Vietnam... :-/


QH could use those regional jets to DIN (Dien Bien Phu), which is a small but important airport in Northern Vietnam region

That wouldn’t help me since there are already two flights a day to Dien Bien Phu from HAN. I was referring to the Son La province... but I guess that’s off-topic :-/
 
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Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:41 am

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In fact as Vietnamese carriers cannot register airframes which are older than 10 y/o, and most AC/AA/Jetblue frames are too old, I don't think that QH would take any from these carriers.
However, RAM's airframes are just more than 5 years old, and RAM are discarding exactly 4 airframes, so it makes perfect sense that Bamboo had a call with Nordic Aviation for a nice lease contract for those airframes (Emb Serial 19000680, *681, *682 and *684)


The article does say 110-120 seats, which suggests an E195, not E190. There is a fair bunch of young E190s and E195s available within short notice, not least those from Azul but also Helvetica who are replacing then with E2s.

In other article QH said it wants E190/195, so I believe that there is still a chance for the E190.


They wanted (and applied for) A319 service. It seems clear that they want to fly the biggest plane possible.
 
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Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:53 am

This would certainly upset VASCO with their ATRs

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The article does say 110-120 seats, which suggests an E195, not E190. There is a fair bunch of young E190s and E195s available within short notice, not least those from Azul but also Helvetica who are replacing then with E2s.

In other article QH said it wants E190/195, so I believe that there is still a chance for the E190.


They wanted (and applied for) A319 service. It seems clear that they want to fly the biggest plane possible.


The A319 would make sense from a fleet commonality perspective. It should be able to handle the runway distances in most conditions, so I wonder if there are other physical characteristics, such as pavement strength, which are prohibitive here. Or, if it's just protectionism.
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This would certainly upset VASCO with their ATRs

Seems like VN (VASCO's parent) is speeding up its regional-jet order (rumoured as E175/190-E2) as QH seems too serious on those VASCO-exclusive routes.

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The A319 would make sense from a fleet commonality perspective. It should be able to handle the runway distances in most conditions, so I wonder if there are other physical characteristics, such as pavement strength, which are prohibitive here. Or, if it's just protectionism.

Have a look at VCS'air picture:
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Only one single runway. No taxi or exit way. Two heads are surrounded by sea. Besides that, the runway is too narrow even though its length is pretty fine (1830m/4233ft)
Besides that, VCS runway surface was said too soft to hold A319's load.

QH will test its only A319 on VCS next week. Let's wait!
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I was referring to the Son La province... but I guess that’s off-topic :-/

No. Sơn La is "sanwiched" between Điện Biên and Hà Nội (Hanoi).
There are just hundred of miles between Sơn La and HAN or DIN, and I think an airport in Sơn La is unnecessary.
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I was referring to the Son La province... but I guess that’s off-topic :-/

No. Sơn La is "sanwiched" between Điện Biên and Hà Nội (Hanoi).
There are just hundred of miles between Sơn La and HAN or DIN, and I think an airport in Sơn La is unnecessary.

I know. I travel to Son La twice a year since 2012. It‘s always a PIAS (... or neck...) because it takes one working day to drive to Son La from Hanoi. I took the flight to Dien Bien twice and continued the trip from there by car but all in all it’s the same duration.

There are actually plans to open Son La airport again:

https://www.vir.com.vn/acv-proposes-100 ... 69407.html

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Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:11 am

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I know. I travel to Son La twice a year since 2012. It‘s always a PIAS (... or neck...) because it takes one working day to drive to Son La from Hanoi. I took the flight to Dien Bien twice and continued the trip from there by car but all in all it’s the same duration.

There are actually plans to open Son La airport again:

https://www.vir.com.vn/acv-proposes-100 ... 69407.html

Sorry moderators, feel free to delete if it’s too much off-topic


I think that the best solution for the gov is to revive the Nà Sản Airport.
As a large number of regional jet would arrive Vietnam in the next decade, big investment is unnecessary
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Have a look at VCS'[url=https://www.google.com/maps/place/C%E1%BA%A3ng+H%C3%A0ng+kh%C3%B4ng+C%C3%B4n+%C4%90%E1%BA%A3o/@8.7315464,106.6301117,1397m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x3198abff5a3aba87:0x21cb9025e9389d77!8m2!3d8.7312583!4d106.6286917]air picture


Only one single runway. No taxi or exit way. Two heads are surrounded by sea. Besides that, the runway is too narrow even though its length is pretty fine (1830m/4233ft)


Yes I did have a look at GE beforehand - dimensionally it all appears to be fine for operations with an A319.

Proximity to the sea would not be an issue - safety areas have been provided at each end of the pavement. Granted they are probably not fully compliant with ICAO standards, but they look to be in line with regional norms, which is good enough for hundreds of other airports with medium sized jet operations. Multiple runway exits aren't necessary and nor are (parallel) taxiways required for operations with a jet like the A319 - the turning areas look perfectly sufficient. Remember that wheelbase is key for turning circles - the A319's is only ~30cm longer than the ATR 72's, and shorter than the E190 and E195s. References online suggest the runway at VCS is 100ft / 30m wide - again that's compatible for A319 / A320 operations. In theory ICAO only approve so long as the MTOW is restricted to 68,000kg, but in practice this is not always actioned anyway.

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Besides that, VCS runway surface was said too soft to hold A319's load.


^This, as I thought, could well be the real reason. Do you happen to know the PCN they promulgate?
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Seems that the mantra of keeping a simplified fleet is going out the door. Was once a cornerstone of starting a carrier, but in this carriers case it has been a hard airline to read but good luck to them.
 
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Many Embraer 190s out there are ready to be leased ex Air Canada, American, JetBlue, RAM and many more airlines getting rid of them! Good for Bamboo that will give home to 4 frames.

g77

In fact as Vietnamese carriers cannot register airframes which are older than 10 y/o, and most AC/AA/Jetblue frames are too old, I don't think that QH would take any from these carriers.
However, RAM's airframes are just more than 5 years old, and RAM are discarding exactly 4 airframes, so it makes perfect sense that Bamboo had a call with Nordic Aviation for a nice lease contract for those airframes (Emb Serial 19000680, *681, *682 and *684)


The article does say 110-120 seats, which suggests an E195, not E190. There is a fair bunch of young E190s and E195s available within short notice, not least those from Azul but also Helvetica who are replacing then with E2s.

There is no shortage of available E-190/195. Prices are going to favor the buyer. If RAM offered a good deal, excellent. Otherwise, it it a buyer's market.

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Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:38 pm

I'm really starting to get worried about QH being too over-ambitious on their expansion plans in such a short time and ended up biting off more than they can chew

WOW Air and Primera ring any bells?
 
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I'm really starting to get worried about QH being too over-ambitious on their expansion plans in such a short time and ended up biting off more than they can chew

WOW Air and Primera ring any bells?

In fact this is a SAFE move from QH.
Stop farming the international market and start caring a trendy (and underserved) domestic route.

VCS is becoming the hottest destination in Vietnam and the route is operated exclusively by VN/VASCO with small ATR72 and damn-expensive tickets.
In Vietnam we say that if QH successfully step on VCS (and break VN/0V monopolism on the route) it would become the second big revolution of the market, after the introduction of VJ breaking the monopolism of VN/BL in the whole market.
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Apart from the RAM machines, there are other candidates too. If they call Azul I am sure they are happy to offload either some 195s which are 3-10 years old or some new 195E2s.
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In fact as Vietnamese carriers cannot register airframes which are older than 10 y/o, and most AC/AA/Jetblue frames are too old, I don't think that QH would take any from these carriers.
However, RAM's airframes are just more than 5 years old, and RAM are discarding exactly 4 airframes, so it makes perfect sense that Bamboo had a call with Nordic Aviation for a nice lease contract for those airframes (Emb Serial 19000680, *681, *682 and *684)


The article does say 110-120 seats, which suggests an E195, not E190. There is a fair bunch of young E190s and E195s available within short notice, not least those from Azul but also Helvetica who are replacing then with E2s.

There is no shortage of available E-190/195. Prices are going to favor the buyer. If RAM offered a good deal, excellent. Otherwise, it it a buyer's market.

Lightsaber


The RAM planes are supposedly leased from NAC. But I doubt they would be in consideration for a new customer that fast (especially since both announcements happened on the same day, the Bamboo announcement possibly a bit before), and it seems very likely that NAC has a few E-jets available already. The NAC website claims they have a portfolio of 150 E-jets, including those at airlines like Air Canada, Azul and FlyBe, who have all been shedding E-jets. Azul in particular will replace all 56(?) E1s by 2022, and even though LOT and Moxy have claimed some, there are likely still a bunch available.


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Apart from the RAM machines, there are other candidates too. If they call Azul I am sure they are happy to offload either some older 195s or some new 195E2s. Also GTLK, a Russian lessor, has 6 parked in the Netherlands and still looking for an operator. Given the old Soviet-Vietnamese ties that deal can also be made easily.


Old planes are an issue. Vietnam doesn't allow the import of planes older than 10 years.
 
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AA recently retired their E190s, could those be bought?
 
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Seems that the mantra of keeping a simplified fleet is going out the door. Was once a cornerstone of starting a carrier, but in this carriers case it has been a hard airline to read but good luck to them.


+1

Is it me or do we have threads every fortnight about planes which Bamboo wants to buy?
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AA recently retired their E190s, could those be bought?


Too old. Again, Vietnam doesn't allow aircraft older than 10 years.
 
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Very interesting! The growth in Vietnam's domestic market has been really significant in the past 5-10 years. With almost 100 million citizens and rising disposable income, plus difficult geography that makes overland transportation impractical, I wouldn't be surprised to see it evolve into something similar to Japan. There are already plenty of widebodies on the SGN-HAN core route, and they're starting to show up on routes to Da Nang and Haiphong now as well.

I've gone from knowing nothing about the Con Dao islands a year ago to now seeing them mentioned in lots of travel blogs and guides. VASCO was flying SGN-VCS ten times a day with ATRs up until the virus outbreak in March. Not surprising that Bamboo sees an opportunity!
 
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Is it me or do we have threads every fortnight about planes which Bamboo wants to buy?

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In the past: 50 B737max9 and then 50 B737max8.
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AA recently retired their E190s, could those be bought?

If AA is retiring young airframes which are younger than 10 y/o then YES.
Otherwise, CAAV says NO.
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For what I heard in-house, QH is also finding some airframes for wet-lease operation besides owned/dry-leased airframes.
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I have family in VCS, hearing this news kind of makes me depressed. In the pass two years there seen an explosion of tourism to this pristine island. Near every flights by VASCO ATR72 were full. They went from three flight daily to something like eight flights a day. They even added high speed ferry service to the island recently. I knew jet service will eventually come, but I was hoping it wouldn't.

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I have family in VCS, hearing this news kind of makes me depressed. In the pass two years there seen an explosion of tourism to this pristine island. Near every flights by VASCO ATR72 were full. They went from three flight daily to something like eight flights a day. They even added high speed ferry service to the island recently. I knew jet service will eventually come, but I was hoping it wouldn't.

Yes, I don't want this beautiful island to be destroyed by the tourism boom on the island.
The authorities have to take action to protect the beauti as well as the unique wildness of the island. Please don't turn Côn Đảo into the second Phú Quốc (PQC).

However, QH's plan is necessary as the demand is increasing. VASCO shouldn't hold this goldmine forever.
0V's tickets are becoming ridiculous expensive and now the price for SGN-VCS almost the same as HAN-SGN tickets, even though it is just a short domestic route operated by the small ATRs
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Yes, I don't want this beautiful island to be destroyed by the tourism boom on the island.
The authorities have to take action to protect the beauti as well as the unique wildness of the island. Please don't turn Côn Đảo into the second Phú Quốc (PQC).

However, QH's plan is necessary as the demand is increasing. VASCO shouldn't hold this goldmine forever.
0V's tickets are becoming ridiculous expensive and now the price for SGN-VCS almost the same as HAN-SGN tickets, even though it is just a short domestic route operated by the small ATRs


I haven't been to Con Dao, but I do hope it's preserved better than was done on Phu Quoc, which in just a few short years seemed to turn completely into a playground for Chinese and Russian tourists.

On Phu Quoc they built a replacement airport that could handle long-haul flights. Is there any possibility that would happen on Con Dao? The islands are quite small and there doesn't appear to be much land available.
 
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On Phu Quoc they built a replacement airport that could handle long-haul flights. Is there any possibility that would happen on Con Dao? The islands are quite small and there doesn't appear to be much land available.

Well, the PQC airport is almost bigger than the whole Con Dao island :D

There are plans to extend the VCS runway (up to 2500m in length) to handle narrowbodies such as the A320/B737 families as well as rebuild the terminal to increase the capacity. But there is no plan to turn VCS into a international airport yet.
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Days ago QH has summitted its flight schedule to the authorities for the service between VCS and mainland airports including DAD and HAN. Suprisingly no SGN yet.
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How many airframes are needed for this?
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In fact as Vietnamese carriers cannot register airframes which are older than 10 y/o, and most AC/AA/Jetblue frames are too old, I don't think that QH would take any from these carriers.
However, RAM's airframes are just more than 5 years old, and RAM are discarding exactly 4 airframes, so it makes perfect sense that Bamboo had a call with Nordic Aviation for a nice lease contract for those airframes (Emb Serial 19000680, *681, *682 and *684)


The article does say 110-120 seats, which suggests an E195, not E190. There is a fair bunch of young E190s and E195s available within short notice, not least those from Azul but also Helvetica who are replacing then with E2s.

In other article QH said it wants E190/195, so I believe that there is still a chance for the E190.


Completely by chance I met a former class mate from flying school the other day. Turns out he is involved. It is indeed the E195, and they are wet-leased from a non-Vietnamese carrier.
 
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Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:07 pm

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Completely by chance I met a former class mate from flying school the other day. Turns out he is involved. It is indeed the E195, and they are wet-leased from a non-Vietnamese carrier.

Of course there's no Vietnamese carrier operating the E195, so of course the lessor has to be "non-Vietnamese" :D
I also knew that QH would wet-lease the airframes for 6 months (short-term) and then dry-lease/acquire more airframes for long-term ops.
If QH order the aircraft right now with Embraer, any chance for the aircraft would be delivered in the next 6 months?
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Re: Bamboo wants to invest in 4 Embraer E-jets for VCS service

Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:18 pm

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Completely by chance I met a former class mate from flying school the other day. Turns out he is involved. It is indeed the E195, and they are wet-leased from a non-Vietnamese carrier.

Of course there's no Vietnamese carrier operating the E195, so of course the lessor has to be "non-Vietnamese" :D
I also knew that QH would wet-lease the airframes for 6 months (short-term) and then dry-lease/acquire more airframes for long-term ops.
If QH order the aircraft right now with Embraer, any chance for the aircraft would be delivered in the next 6 months?

Embraer has NTU Azul E2-195s available. If buying new, why settle for prior generation?
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Re: Bamboo wants to invest in 4 Embraer E-jets for VCS service

Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:22 pm

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Antaras wrote:
VSMUT wrote:
If QH order the aircraft right now with Embraer, any chance for the aircraft would be delivered in the next 6 months?

Embraer has NTU Azul E2-195s available. If buying new, why settle for prior generation?


I think so. Ntu airframes are QH's favor.
- Its 789s are Hainan's ntu
- One if uts A321neo is Primera ntu

Now: Azul and other carriers E195-E2 ntus?
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Re: Bamboo wants to invest in 4 Embraer E-jets for VCS service

Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:11 pm

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Well, the PQC airport is almost bigger than the whole Con Dao island :D

There are plans to extend the VCS runway (up to 2500m in length) to handle narrowbodies such as the A320/B737 families as well as rebuild the terminal to increase the capacity. But there is no plan to turn VCS into a international airport yet.


Interesting to hear - would this require reclaiming land from the ocean? It looks like the VCS runway is pretty hemmed in by the coast on both sides.

Thanks for this information - I find the evolution of domestic aviation in Vietnam really interesting, and it's hard to find information on it without being a Vietnamese speaker (although Google Translate has been really helpful!)
 
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Re: Bamboo wants to invest in 4 Embraer E-jets for VCS service

Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:15 pm

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Embraer has NTU Azul E2 available.


No, we don’t ...
 
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Mon Jul 13, 2020 1:05 am

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Embraer has NTU Azul E2 available.


No, we don’t ...

Azul took up their E2-195s! That is great news!
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Mon Jul 13, 2020 1:23 am

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lightsaber wrote:
Embraer has NTU Azul E2 available.


No, we don’t ...

Azul took up their E2-195s! That is great news!
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I either didn't understand you or you didn't understand me.
As far as I know NTU means "no take unit".
There is no aircraft in production for Azul that was not assigned to it.
Of the 75 planes ordered, 59 had their delivery postponed until 2023.
To date, Azul has received 6 E-195-E2 with three more to be delivered by the end of this year.
The other deliveries scheduled for this year and postponed did not go into production.
 
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Re: Bamboo wants to invest in 4 Embraer E-jets for VCS service

Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:33 am

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lightsaber wrote:
EMBSPBR wrote:

No, we don’t ...

Azul took up their E2-195s! That is great news!
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I either didn't understand you or you didn't understand me.
As far as I know NTU means "no take unit".
There is no aircraft in production for Azul that was not assigned to it.
Of the 75 planes ordered, 59 had their delivery postponed until 2023.
To date, Azul has received 6 E-195-E2 with three more to be delivered by the end of this year.
The other deliveries scheduled for this year and postponed did not go into production.

Any chance for QH to fill in those production slots as if it actually orders the aircraft?
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Re: Bamboo wants to invest in 4 Embraer E-jets for VCS service

Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:27 am

In-house information say that CAAV approved Bamboo to operate HAN-VCS and DAD-VCS from August, using wet-lease aircraft.
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Re: Bamboo wants to invest in 4 Embraer E-jets for VCS service

Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:46 am

EMBSPBR wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
EMBSPBR wrote:

No, we don’t ...

Azul took up their E2-195s! That is great news!
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I either didn't understand you or you didn't understand me.
As far as I know NTU means "no take unit".
There is no aircraft in production for Azul that was not assigned to it.
Of the 75 planes ordered, 59 had their delivery postponed until 2023.
To date, Azul has received 6 E-195-E2 with three more to be delivered by the end of this year.
The other deliveries scheduled for this year and postponed did not go into production.

If Azul is accepting the deliveries this year, than I am mistaken. We are talking the same planes. From prior reports, Azul was restructuring and unable to accept deliveries. (NTU or "Not taken up", of in production planes). You post implies that has reversed, that is great news.

As to Bamboo, if they want CF-34 powered aircraft, they are available 2nd hand.

I would like to know how Embraer could efficiently reschedule the 7 postponed Helvetic deliveries that were pushed from this year to next year. All long lead time items (engines, landing gear, avionics) would have most of their cost already spent.

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/92736

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Mon Jul 13, 2020 1:13 pm

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On Phu Quoc they built a replacement airport that could handle long-haul flights. Is there any possibility that would happen on Con Dao? The islands are quite small and there doesn't appear to be much land available.

Well, the PQC airport is almost bigger than the whole Con Dao island :D

There are plans to extend the VCS runway (up to 2500m in length) to handle narrowbodies such as the A320/B737 families as well as rebuild the terminal to increase the capacity. But there is no plan to turn VCS into a international airport yet.


An extension is completely unnecessary, unless you want to operate flights well over 1,000nm.

The A320 / B737 can already operate short haul sectors from the length currently provided. In fact, the A319 / A320 has better runway performance than the E195 - if they were concerned about this area then I'd have expected them to select the E190 instead. If pavement strength is an issue, it will require addressing separately.
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Re: Bamboo wants to invest in 4 Embraer E-jets for VCS service

Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:48 pm

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Antaras wrote:
jsnww81 wrote:
On Phu Quoc they built a replacement airport that could handle long-haul flights. Is there any possibility that would happen on Con Dao? The islands are quite small and there doesn't appear to be much land available.

Well, the PQC airport is almost bigger than the whole Con Dao island :D

There are plans to extend the VCS runway (up to 2500m in length) to handle narrowbodies such as the A320/B737 families as well as rebuild the terminal to increase the capacity. But there is no plan to turn VCS into a international airport yet.


An extension is completely unnecessary, unless you want to operate flights well over 1,000nm.

The A320 / B737 can already operate short haul sectors from the length currently provided. In fact, the A319 / A320 has better runway performance than the E195 - if they were concerned about this area then I'd have expected them to select the E190 instead. If pavement strength is an issue, it will require addressing separately.


The gov wants to upgrade VCS into rate 4C (currently 3C). One of the solution is to upgrade the runway?
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Re: Bamboo wants to invest in 4 Embraer E-jets for VCS service

Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:51 pm

PlymSpotter wrote:
Antaras wrote:
jsnww81 wrote:
On Phu Quoc they built a replacement airport that could handle long-haul flights. Is there any possibility that would happen on Con Dao? The islands are quite small and there doesn't appear to be much land available.

Well, the PQC airport is almost bigger than the whole Con Dao island :D

There are plans to extend the VCS runway (up to 2500m in length) to handle narrowbodies such as the A320/B737 families as well as rebuild the terminal to increase the capacity. But there is no plan to turn VCS into a international airport yet.


An extension is completely unnecessary, unless you want to operate flights well over 1,000nm.

The A320 / B737 can already operate short haul sectors from the length currently provided. In fact, the A319 / A320 has better runway performance than the E195 - if they were concerned about this area then I'd have expected them to select the E190 instead. If pavement strength is an issue, it will require addressing separately.

The issue is not runway length or performance. It's PCN.
 
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Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:08 pm

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The gov wants to upgrade VCS into rate 4C (currently 3C). One of the solution is to upgrade the runway?


Well, as Code 4 runways begin at 1,800m, a runway extension is the only solution to this 'problem'.

Practically though, the government will find that a key difference between Code 3 and Code 4 design standards is that risk assessors take a much dimmer view of Code 4 runways with non standard safety areas. So sticking their nose into Code 4 territory is potentially going to require them to create another 480m of land before a single extra meter of runway is gained. It makes very little sense to me.
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Re: Bamboo wants to invest in 4 Embraer E-jets for VCS service

Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:03 am

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^This, as I thought, could well be the real reason. Do you happen to know the PCN they promulgate?

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The issue is not runway length or performance. It's PCN.

Base on ACV's data: PCN 20/F/B/W/T
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Re: Bamboo wants to invest in 4 Embraer E-jets for VCS service

Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:28 pm

Antaras wrote:
PlymSpotter wrote:
^This, as I thought, could well be the real reason. Do you happen to know the PCN they promulgate?

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The issue is not runway length or performance. It's PCN.

Base on ACV's data: PCN 20/F/B/W/T


Well, I've seen worse. It is still pretty low mind.

If the guidelines are to be respected (I know, potentially a big if), that PCN will give the E195 a maximum weight of just under 42,000kg. With an OEW of 28,700kg, that provides around 13,000kg headroom. Factor crew and ballpark fuel burn of 2000kg / hour (plus 45 min reserves), that would leave DAD with around 9,000kg of payload and HAN with 7,500kg. With 116 seats and 100% LF, that would give you a Pax+Bag allowance of 77.5kg for DAD and 64.5kg for HAN, or with 124 seats the Pax+Bag allowance would be 72.5kg and 60.5kg respectively.

It's reasonably tight in my book, but doable considering the local demographic.

This also leads me to wonder if the wet lease operator would consider recertifying the aircraft as the lighter 195 STD, which shaves 2,000kg off the LR and 3,500kg of the AR's MTOW. That approach would still give you almost 7,000kg more weight than VCS can handle and reduce variable costs.
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