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Sat Dec 26, 2020 4:48 pm

With the collapse of Montenegro Airlines in Europe, they had three E195s, all leased from GECAS. Two of the 3 are less than 12 years old. I have to wonder if Bamboo Airways could strike a quick agreement to lease those two frames (most recently 4O-AOB/C, msn 19000283/19000358). They could then return the two Great Dane airframes and train their own crews on the E195. In addition, I have to wonder if Bamboo Airways could reach a deal with JetBlue to acquire some of their stored E190s, as their BCS3 replacements are coming in and they have E190s less than 12 years old. The JetBlue E190s are exactly 100 seat planes and could be CAH and VKG compliant (the only drawback might be how many cyles JetBlue has put on its E190s, as pre-pandemic, their frames tended to be the highest-time relative to airframe age in the world.

Each would also provide healthy competition in the domestic market to keep Vietnam Airlines (VASCO) honest on pricing. Out of curiosity, would the E275 or E290 be acceptable at CAH or VKG, or would they be too heavy? A fleet of 6 E190s (purchased secondhand) and 2-3 E195s (GECAS leased) might work here.
 
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Re: Bamboo wants to invest in 4 Embraer E-jets for VCS service

Sat Dec 26, 2020 5:03 pm

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With the collapse of Montenegro Airlines in Europe, they had three E195s, all leased from GECAS. Two of the 3 are less than 12 years old. I have to wonder if Bamboo Airways could strike a quick agreement to lease those two frames (most recently 4O-AOB/C, msn 19000283/19000358). They could then return the two Great Dane airframes and train their own crews on the E195. In addition, I have to wonder if Bamboo Airways could reach a deal with JetBlue to acquire some of their stored E190s, as their BCS3 replacements are coming in and they have E190s less than 12 years old. The JetBlue E190s are exactly 100 seat planes and could be CAH and VKG compliant (the only drawback might be how many cyles JetBlue has put on its E190s, as pre-pandemic, their frames tended to be the highest-time relative to airframe age in the world.

Each would also provide healthy competition in the domestic market to keep Vietnam Airlines (VASCO) honest on pricing. Out of curiosity, would the E275 or E290 be acceptable at CAH or VKG, or would they be too heavy? A fleet of 6 E190s (purchased secondhand) and 2-3 E195s (GECAS leased) might work here.

1. Vietnam limits the airframe age to 10 years old, however, QH can always negotiate with the CAA Vietnam to register old airframes (just like how did VN re-register a 12-year-old A321 from Cambodia Angkor). Plenty of options for QH, E190/195 from Royal Air Maroc, jetBlue, Azul (?), and Montenegro. Not thinking about jetBlue as QH wants a true 2-class config (on LOT and GDE airframe, it block the aisle seat on the extra-legroom seat and calls them "business seats"). And in that way, QH cannot have a 100-seat airframe on the B6's E190s, except it reconfig it to the E190-E2 standard config. It may also want an E195 or something config with a true C-seat.
2. CAH can only hold E175, while others such as VCS, VKG, or DIN can hold 100-seat E190/195.
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Sat Dec 26, 2020 5:19 pm

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Interesting that the LOT airframes are operating on intra-mainland domestic routes, while the Great Dane airframes hold the VCS routes.

As QH's only A319's lease will be expired next month and QH doesn't want to extend the lease, seems like QH needs some quick replacement.
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Re: Bamboo wants to invest in 4 Embraer E-jets for VCS service

Sat Dec 26, 2020 5:24 pm

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aemoreira1981 wrote:
With the collapse of Montenegro Airlines in Europe, they had three E195s, all leased from GECAS. Two of the 3 are less than 12 years old. I have to wonder if Bamboo Airways could strike a quick agreement to lease those two frames (most recently 4O-AOB/C, msn 19000283/19000358). They could then return the two Great Dane airframes and train their own crews on the E195. In addition, I have to wonder if Bamboo Airways could reach a deal with JetBlue to acquire some of their stored E190s, as their BCS3 replacements are coming in and they have E190s less than 12 years old. The JetBlue E190s are exactly 100 seat planes and could be CAH and VKG compliant (the only drawback might be how many cyles JetBlue has put on its E190s, as pre-pandemic, their frames tended to be the highest-time relative to airframe age in the world.

Each would also provide healthy competition in the domestic market to keep Vietnam Airlines (VASCO) honest on pricing. Out of curiosity, would the E275 or E290 be acceptable at CAH or VKG, or would they be too heavy? A fleet of 6 E190s (purchased secondhand) and 2-3 E195s (GECAS leased) might work here.

1. Vietnam limits the airframe age to 10 years old, however, QH can always negotiate with the CAA Vietnam to register old airframes (just like how did VN re-register a 12-year-old A321 from Cambodia Angkor). Plenty of options for QH, E190/195 from Royal Air Maroc, jetBlue, Azul (?), and Montenegro. Not thinking about jetBlue as QH wants a true 2-class config (on LOT and GDE airframe, it block the aisle seat on the extra-legroom seat and calls them "business seats"). And in that way, QH cannot have a 100-seat airframe on the B6's E190s, except it reconfig it to the E190-E2 standard config. It may also want an E195 or something config with a true C-seat.
2. CAH can only hold E175, while others such as VCS, VKG, or DIN can hold 100-seat E190/195.


Speaking of the E175, there are seven ex-Flybe E175s currently up for lease, presumably by the owners of Flybe (likely Stobart Air, which owns the frames that Bamboo is wet-leasing from Great Dane), that are around 8 years old. How is Bamboo not all over those frames, since it's unlikely that Flybe can re-launch in any form? Those are 88-seat frames.
 
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Re: Bamboo wants to invest in 4 Embraer E-jets for VCS service

Sat Dec 26, 2020 5:37 pm

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Speaking of the E175, there are seven ex-Flybe E175s currently up for lease, presumably by the owners of Flybe (likely Stobart Air, which owns the frames that Bamboo is wet-leasing from Great Dane), that are around 8 years old. How is Bamboo not all over those frames, since it's unlikely that Flybe can re-launch in any form? Those are 88-seat frames.

QH didn't get the formal license for Embraer-type operation from the authorities, so everything it can do now is wet-leasing airframes.
I posted the license request on the previous posts:
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QH officially submit to CAAV for an Embraer-type license in Vietnam:
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And yes, a few ex-BE E175 is have extremely high chance to be a part of QH fleet.
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Re: Bamboo wants to invest in 4 Embraer E-jets for VCS service

Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:48 pm

Antaras wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
Speaking of the E175, there are seven ex-Flybe E175s currently up for lease, presumably by the owners of Flybe (likely Stobart Air, which owns the frames that Bamboo is wet-leasing from Great Dane), that are around 8 years old. How is Bamboo not all over those frames, since it's unlikely that Flybe can re-launch in any form? Those are 88-seat frames.

QH didn't get the formal license for Embraer-type operation from the authorities, so everything it can do now is wet-leasing airframes.
I posted the license request on the previous posts:
Antaras wrote:
QH officially submit to CAAV for an Embraer-type license in Vietnam:
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And yes, a few ex-BE E175 is have extremely high chance to be a part of QH fleet.


How I can understand this ? "QH didn't get the formal license for Embraer-type operation from the authorities" and than "And yes, a few ex-BE E175 is have extremely high chance to be a part of QH fleet" Do you really expect a European crew on wet lease to fly under local contracts ? Never ever !
 
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Re: Bamboo wants to invest in 4 Embraer E-jets for VCS service

Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:38 pm

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Antaras wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
Speaking of the E175, there are seven ex-Flybe E175s currently up for lease, presumably by the owners of Flybe (likely Stobart Air, which owns the frames that Bamboo is wet-leasing from Great Dane), that are around 8 years old. How is Bamboo not all over those frames, since it's unlikely that Flybe can re-launch in any form? Those are 88-seat frames.

QH didn't get the formal license for Embraer-type operation from the authorities, so everything it can do now is wet-leasing airframes.
I posted the license request on the previous posts:
Antaras wrote:
QH officially submit to CAAV for an Embraer-type license in Vietnam:
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Shared by my friend

And yes, a few ex-BE E175 is have extremely high chance to be a part of QH fleet.


How I can understand this ? "QH didn't get the formal license for Embraer-type operation from the authorities" and than "And yes, a few ex-BE E175 is have extremely high chance to be a part of QH fleet" Do you really expect a European crew on wet lease to fly under local contracts ? Never ever !

Base on Vietnam regulations, you need no license to operate wet-leased aircraft, as long as the airframes are not VN-registered.

Bamboo's AOC only allows narrowbodies and widebodies from Airbus and Boeing at this moment, and according to what I heard, Bamboo and CAAV is finalising the type-addition in the AOC, means that Bamboo can freely register the Embraers just in the next few months after finishing the AOC stuffs. That is the time for it to have a look at ex-BE E175s.
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Re: Bamboo wants to invest in 4 Embraer E-jets for VCS service

Sun Dec 27, 2020 9:48 am

oldJoe wrote:
Antaras wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
Speaking of the E175, there are seven ex-Flybe E175s currently up for lease, presumably by the owners of Flybe (likely Stobart Air, which owns the frames that Bamboo is wet-leasing from Great Dane), that are around 8 years old. How is Bamboo not all over those frames, since it's unlikely that Flybe can re-launch in any form? Those are 88-seat frames.

QH didn't get the formal license for Embraer-type operation from the authorities, so everything it can do now is wet-leasing airframes.
I posted the license request on the previous posts:
Antaras wrote:
QH officially submit to CAAV for an Embraer-type license in Vietnam:
Image
Shared by my friend

And yes, a few ex-BE E175 is have extremely high chance to be a part of QH fleet.


How I can understand this ? "QH didn't get the formal license for Embraer-type operation from the authorities" and than "And yes, a few ex-BE E175 is have extremely high chance to be a part of QH fleet" Do you really expect a European crew on wet lease to fly under local contracts ? Never ever !


Right now? Definitely. The alternative for a European crew would be €800 a month at a European LCC, or get in line for unemployment benefits.
 
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Re: Bamboo wants to invest in 4 Embraer E-jets for VCS service

Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:06 pm

Bamboo is recruiting bunches of ground-staffs as well as representatives at VKG airport - which can only be served by the E195 or smaller types:
https://talent.bambooairways.com/job/chuyen-vien-giam-sat-dai-dien-hang-san-bay-rach-gia-22734

Besides that, Bamboo is also recruiting a bunch of positions for its future fleet Embraer E170/175/190/195:
Pilots (TRIs/TREs, CAPTAINs, FOs) (based at HAN): https://talent.bambooairways.com/job/e1 ... -fos-21180
AMO - CRS B1 & CRS B2 Engineer (based at HAN): https://talent.bambooairways.com/job/em ... neer-21248
AMO - Production Planner (based at HAN): https://talent.bambooairways.com/job/ba ... nner-21249
AMO - Structure Repair Specialist (based at HAN): https://talent.bambooairways.com/job/ba ... list-21342
TEC - Engine Specialist (based at HAN): https://talent.bambooairways.com/job/ba ... list-21343
TEC - Avionics Specialist (based at HAN): https://talent.bambooairways.com/job/ba ... list-21344
TEC - Maintenance Program and Maintenance Planning Specialist (based at HAN): https://talent.bambooairways.com/job/ba ... list-21422
TEC - Structure Specialist (based at HAN): https://talent.bambooairways.com/job/ba ... list-21482
TEC - System Specialist (based at HAN): https://talent.bambooairways.com/job/ba ... list-21487

Things that we have known so far from those recruitments:
- VKG will obviously become the next domestic airport (after VCS) to join QH's route network.
- QH's Embraer fleet to be based at Hanoi Nội Bài International Airport (HAN/VVNB), probably to avoid direct competition with VN/VASCO based in SGN (notice that VN/VASCO have 0 routes connecting HAN or Northern Airports to Southern destinations such as VCS, VKG or CAH. This is a gigantic advantage of QH to VN/VASCO).
- Bamboo is showing no interest in the Embraer E2 fleet, showing that it is just asking for the GE CF4 certificate but not PW1400/1700. As Bamboo is targeting an all-GE/CFM operator (all IAE-powered A319/A320 would be all retired in 2024-2025), the existence of PW-engines in QH's fleet might be a bit nonsensical. But QH has to replace the old GE-powered E1 with the PW-powered E2 in the next 8-10 years in any way, so it is interesting to see what is Bamboo's next actions ;)
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- The deadline for all of the above recruitments is December 31, 2020, so we could see that Bamboo is rushing to have enough workforce in order to get the Embraer-type AOC and launch its own "dry" Emb services. According to the 6-month wet-lease agreements, all of the Bamboo-colored E195s being operated by Great Dane and LOT will be returned back to its operator before July 2021.
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Anyone interested by a new job in HAN? Especially for those who laid off by your former airline due to the pandemic :)
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Re: Bamboo wants to invest in 4 Embraer E-jets for VCS service

Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:05 pm

SP-LNM arrived at HAN on 06 JAN and subsequently flew to DAD on 07 JAN as QH15. This one is still in full LOT livery.
 
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According to the 6-month wet-lease agreements, all of the Bamboo-colored E195s being operated by Great Dane and LOT will be returned back to its operator before July 2021.


Any idea if these will be extended?
 
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Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:25 pm

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Antaras wrote:
According to the 6-month wet-lease agreements, all of the Bamboo-colored E195s being operated by Great Dane and LOT will be returned back to its operator before July 2021.


Any idea if these will be extended?

Great Dane mentioned that it would not extend the contract because its current fleet is too small (3 airframes, included 2 leased to Bamboo, I remembered)
Don't know about LOT. But I guess that Bamboo itself won't extend the lease as it would likely already has a sizeable fleet of Ejets in mid-2021.
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Re: Bamboo wants to invest in 4 Embraer E-jets for VCS service

Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:29 pm

Another Embraer joined the fleet with a VN-A reg, VN-A266. According to planespotters.net, this one is ex-China Southern B-3210.
 
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Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:34 pm

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Another Embraer joined the fleet with a VN-A reg, VN-A266. According to planespotters.net, this one is ex-China Southern B-3210.

Wow. Thanks for the great update.

Just like my previous predictions, it is likely that QH would have the E190 instead of the bigger E195, and I was right :) I am expecting QH to get 4 former Royal Air Maroc E190s also, as they'll be withdrawn from operation should and to be returned to the lessor (NAC). Some should also come from CZ as it is also retiring the E190s.

Can't wait to see the config of VN-A266, perhaps inherited C6Y92 from the previous operator CZ?
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Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:38 pm

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Many Embraer 190s out there are ready to be leased ex Air Canada, American, JetBlue, RAM and many more airlines getting rid of them! Good for Bamboo that will give home to 4 frames.

g77

In fact as Vietnamese carriers cannot register airframes which are older than 10 y/o, and most AC/AA/Jetblue frames are too old, I don't think that QH would take any from these carriers.
However, RAM's airframes are just more than 5 years old, and RAM are discarding exactly 4 airframes, so it makes perfect sense that Bamboo had a call with Nordic Aviation for a nice lease contract for those airframes (Emb Serial 19000680, *681, *682 and *684)


The article does say 110-120 seats, which suggests an E195, not E190. There is a fair bunch of young E190s and E195s available within short notice, not least those from Azul but also Helvetica who are replacing then with E2s.

Well this time Bamboo DID choose the E190, config with nearly 100 seats (similar to wet leased E195 which are blocked some seats for Premium class).
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Thu Jan 28, 2021 3:08 pm

First picture of QH's E190 reg. VN-A266. Disappointingly, the blue winglet, as well as the unique light-blue engine, weren't featured on the airframe. The tail-area painting seems incompleted, either (especially at the APU zone).
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One more rumor, as GDE's E195 can only bring around 100 pax to VCS (as QH said due to the payload and the runway limitation, especially on the 2-hour route HAN-VCS), this time QH may choose the smaller E190 for cheaper costs and better performance.


Indeed, it does specify E190.

I wonder what they will do for business class on the E-jet. Same style seating as the Great Dane E195, or perhaps a Royal Jordanian 1+2 config?

If QH decides to keep the config from CZ, it would be 1-2
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Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:36 pm

So this is the first of their own E190s?

Antaras wrote:
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Antaras wrote:
One more rumor, as GDE's E195 can only bring around 100 pax to VCS (as QH said due to the payload and the runway limitation, especially on the 2-hour route HAN-VCS), this time QH may choose the smaller E190 for cheaper costs and better performance.


Indeed, it does specify E190.

I wonder what they will do for business class on the E-jet. Same style seating as the Great Dane E195, or perhaps a Royal Jordanian 1+2 config?

If QH decides to keep the config from CZ, it would be 1-2
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What do those 1+2 business class seats look like? A google search turned up empty-handed.
 
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Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:48 pm

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So this is the first of their own E190s?

Yes, the first dry-leased one (from CDB).
VSMUT wrote:
What do those 1+2 business class seats look like? A google search turned up empty-handed.


1+2 business cabin on AS E175:
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https://www.embraercommercialaviation.c ... es-colors/
On CZ's E190 (predicted to be Bamboo's also):
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https://www.shutterstock.com/image-phot ... s-98268197
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