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santi319
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Re: The status of Ultra low-cost carriers

Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:52 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
alpine1989 wrote:
How can NK possibly be making money operating ORD-DFW for 17.10 USD?


Ancillary fees. That fare only gets you and a personal item on board.

Lol they had fares like that before Covid...
 
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Re: The status of Ultra low-cost carriers

Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:12 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
alpine1989 wrote:
How can NK possibly be making money operating ORD-DFW for 17.10 USD?


Ancillary fees. That fare only gets you and a personal item on board.


That, and the fact that not all seats are that cheap. Nowhere is the difference between the lowest and the highest fare for the same flight as big as on an ULCC.

Of course everyone knows such low fares are loss-making. That's fine for a couple of reasons. First of all they make good publicity, people talk about it. That makes others check out that airline as well. Second, as said, it's only a few seats that are that cheap. The profits from the other seats that are more expensive make up for the losses on those few cheap seats. And third, ULCCs have a very low cost base due to which they can operate cheaper than legacy airlines.
 
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Re: The status of Ultra low-cost carriers

Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:31 am

alpine1989 wrote:
How can NK possibly be making money operating ORD-DFW for 17.10 USD?


They make their money charging you to check a bag In the cargo hold or to bring a bag onboard the aircraft to put it in the overhead bin yourself, by selling you a seat assignment, or by selling you priority boarding.

They make even more money when people show up at the boarding gate with a bag without paying for it after boarding has begun.
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Re: The status of Ultra low-cost carriers

Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:28 pm

United and Delta seem to be at a major disadvantage now, with the AA / AS / B6 thing

as UA’s or DL’s pickings of Allegiant, Frontier, or Spirit airlines to partner up with, WON’T do a thing for them to capture the dwindling “post Covid” business traveler if this IS the media narrative we choose to believe.

Logic does seem to indicate Hawaiian may partner up with both UA and DL now though.
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Re: The status of Ultra low-cost carriers

Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:40 pm

Also I believe the ULCCs have a no show/no refund model. You can't change the ticket even for a fee, it's worthless if you don't fly as ticketed. The legacies will allow you to change flights for a fee and refare. If you show up 2 hours late to an AA flight (the flat tire rule) an agent will likely allow you to go standby on a later flight albeit during peak travel times it probably won't be same day. I bet if you show up late to an ULCC flight your ticket will have no value. Need to get to your destination asap. You will be coughing up money for a much higher fare. Some exceptions might occur for example if there's a major accident at the airport.
 
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Re: The status of Ultra low-cost carriers

Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:32 pm

Miamiairport wrote:
Also I believe the ULCCs have a no show/no refund model. You can't change the ticket even for a fee, it's worthless if you don't fly as ticketed. The legacies will allow you to change flights for a fee and refare. If you show up 2 hours late to an AA flight (the flat tire rule) an agent will likely allow you to go standby on a later flight albeit during peak travel times it probably won't be same day. I bet if you show up late to an ULCC flight your ticket will have no value. Need to get to your destination asap. You will be coughing up money for a much higher fare. Some exceptions might occur for example if there's a major accident at the airport.


NK and F9 are currently letting you change for free or get a travel credit with a free cancellation. This is because of COVID.

I think F9 and Nk gives you a grace period where within 24 hrs of like 7 days you can cancel for a full refund.

The bundles they offer like “The works” or “Bundle It” do include free switching and refunds.

I personally always select a bundle. Gives me a free seat, bag, and no anxiety about anything happening to the trip.

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