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Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:19 pm

After long period of rumors, Mesa Air Group has confirmed its expanding in the 737 ACMI business and signed a 5-year contract with DHL to operate pair of 737-400 freighters.

http://investor.mesa-air.com/news-relea ... press-will
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:03 pm

Another carrier at DHL for the 737-400 along with iAero, and connie
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:35 pm

Are these recently converted 400's or have they been used by someone else?
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:04 pm

AndoAv8R wrote:
Are these recently converted 400's or have they been used by someone else?


Mesa does things on the cheap, they are probably used, converted, used, and used planes.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:09 pm

WN732 wrote:
AndoAv8R wrote:
Are these recently converted 400's or have they been used by someone else?


Mesa does things on the cheap, they are probably used, converted, used, and used planes.



The last two that Southern is currently operating.....
 
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Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:31 pm

I'm glad to see this rumor turned out to be true. I'm surprised to see its only a pair.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:21 pm

MO11 wrote:
WN732 wrote:
AndoAv8R wrote:
Are these recently converted 400's or have they been used by someone else?


Mesa does things on the cheap, they are probably used, converted, used, and used planes.



The last two that Southern is currently operating.....


Those show as leased. Is Mesa actually purchasing these planes, or are they leasing or even sub leasing them?
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:39 pm

Would a current Mesa pilot be able to bid into those birds? Like if I’m flying CRJs for Mesa with Eagle branding and if I was the highest seniority FO/Captain in the company and really wanted to live in Cincinnati. Could I bid the FO/captain spot and Mesa Train me?
 
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Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:55 pm

WN732 wrote:
MO11 wrote:
WN732 wrote:

Mesa does things on the cheap, they are probably used, converted, used, and used planes.



The last two that Southern is currently operating.....


Those show as leased. Is Mesa actually purchasing these planes, or are they leasing or even sub leasing them?


It's a CMI contract, similar to what DHL has with its other operators.
 
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Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:58 pm

sailsail wrote:
Would a current Mesa pilot be able to bid into those birds? Like if I’m flying CRJs for Mesa with Eagle branding and if I was the highest seniority FO/Captain in the company and really wanted to live in Cincinnati. Could I bid the FO/captain spot and Mesa Train me?

Most companies have a seat lock of 1 or 2 years but if your not under a seat lock and 737 comes up as one of the options to bid for on the new openings list whatever they call that at Mesa then yeah go right ahead no different from bidding E175 and starting to fly under UA colors
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:01 pm

sailsail wrote:
Would a current Mesa pilot be able to bid into those birds? Like if I’m flying CRJs for Mesa with Eagle branding and if I was the highest seniority FO/Captain in the company and really wanted to live in Cincinnati. Could I bid the FO/captain spot and Mesa Train me?


If you read the attached press release that the OPer posted it says:

“We are proud to offer new opportunities to our employees as we enter the cargo industry. In particular, Mesa pilots will now have the ability to earn a 737 type rating and receive the highest pay in the regional industry, all without leaving the company.”
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:29 pm

Starting at $52/hour for FOs with a 62 hour guarantee.
$38,000/year.

Sadly there's going to be no shortage of pilots willing to fly for that in these times.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:42 pm

Ornstein finally got his 737's.

2020 is wild.
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:02 am

sailsail wrote:
Would a current Mesa pilot be able to bid into those birds? Like if I’m flying CRJs for Mesa with Eagle branding and if I was the highest seniority FO/Captain in the company and really wanted to live in Cincinnati. Could I bid the FO/captain spot and Mesa Train me?

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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:31 am

Mesa's gonna need even more INOP stickers, now.
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:39 am

UPlog wrote:
sailsail wrote:
Would a current Mesa pilot be able to bid into those birds? Like if I’m flying CRJs for Mesa with Eagle branding and if I was the highest seniority FO/Captain in the company and really wanted to live in Cincinnati. Could I bid the FO/captain spot and Mesa Train me?


If you read the attached press release that the OPer posted it says:

“We are proud to offer new opportunities to our employees as we enter the cargo industry. In particular, Mesa pilots will now have the ability to earn a 737 type rating and receive the highest pay in the regional industry, all without leaving the company.”


I did.
I don’t know how Mesa works. I’ve always been mainline, one carrier.... Does Mesa or any regional allow pilots to fly for different carriers? If I’m flying a CRJ for xxx under abc branding with abc uniform would I ever be assigned to fly for xyz with xyz uniform.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:41 am

sailsail wrote:
UPlog wrote:
sailsail wrote:
Would a current Mesa pilot be able to bid into those birds? Like if I’m flying CRJs for Mesa with Eagle branding and if I was the highest seniority FO/Captain in the company and really wanted to live in Cincinnati. Could I bid the FO/captain spot and Mesa Train me?


If you read the attached press release that the OPer posted it says:

“We are proud to offer new opportunities to our employees as we enter the cargo industry. In particular, Mesa pilots will now have the ability to earn a 737 type rating and receive the highest pay in the regional industry, all without leaving the company.”


I did.
I don’t know how Mesa works. I’ve always been mainline, one carrier.... Does Mesa or any regional allow pilots to fly for different carriers? If I’m flying a CRJ for xxx under abc branding with abc uniform would I ever be assigned to fly for xyz with xyz uniform.

Yah. If your Skywest for example you can fly for any of the airlines your typed for
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:51 am

Mesa CRJ guys can’t codeshare hop. If you are based in IAD in the CRJ then you are strictly United.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:47 am

MO11 wrote:
WN732 wrote:
AndoAv8R wrote:
Are these recently converted 400's or have they been used by someone else?


Mesa does things on the cheap, they are probably used, converted, used, and used planes.



The last two that Southern is currently operating.....

There were five originally: N305GT, N306GT, N307GT, N309GT and N311GT. 307 is iAero's now and 311 is KII's. Wonder which of the remaining three they will get.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:09 am

sailsail wrote:
UPlog wrote:
sailsail wrote:
Would a current Mesa pilot be able to bid into those birds? Like if I’m flying CRJs for Mesa with Eagle branding and if I was the highest seniority FO/Captain in the company and really wanted to live in Cincinnati. Could I bid the FO/captain spot and Mesa Train me?


If you read the attached press release that the OPer posted it says:

“We are proud to offer new opportunities to our employees as we enter the cargo industry. In particular, Mesa pilots will now have the ability to earn a 737 type rating and receive the highest pay in the regional industry, all without leaving the company.”


I did.
I don’t know how Mesa works. I’ve always been mainline, one carrier.... Does Mesa or any regional allow pilots to fly for different carriers? If I’m flying a CRJ for xxx under abc branding with abc uniform would I ever be assigned to fly for xyz with xyz uniform.

as long as you fy for Mesa? I don't see why not since you should be able operate any airplane within your rating on a Mesa run route.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:37 am

CRJ5000 wrote:
Starting at $52/hour for FOs with a 62 hour guarantee.
$38,000/year.

Sadly there's going to be no shortage of pilots willing to fly for that in these times.


Oh the horror! $38K per year for a part time job, how will they live?
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:46 am

TARTRESED wrote:
CRJ5000 wrote:
Starting at $52/hour for FOs with a 62 hour guarantee.
$38,000/year.

Sadly there's going to be no shortage of pilots willing to fly for that in these times.


Oh the horror! $38K per year for a part time job, how will they live?

That’s not a part time job, clearly.
 
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Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:11 am

TARTRESED wrote:
CRJ5000 wrote:
Starting at $52/hour for FOs with a 62 hour guarantee.
$38,000/year.

Sadly there's going to be no shortage of pilots willing to fly for that in these times.


Oh the horror! $38K per year for a part time job, how will they live?


It’s not a part time job. Keep in mind the time on the road and overnights and such. Is that fewer hours than you might see at other carriers? Sure. Is that a part time job? Nope. Very much full time when you consider that’s FLIGHT hours not total hours spent working for the company.

Also, keep in mind you can make about that much money flying a CRJ. Pretty poor hourly rate if you ask me.
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:42 am

TARTRESED wrote:
CRJ5000 wrote:
Starting at $52/hour for FOs with a 62 hour guarantee.
$38,000/year.

Sadly there's going to be no shortage of pilots willing to fly for that in these times.


Oh the horror! $38K per year for a part time job, how will they live?


You obviously have no idea how pilot schedules work.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:57 am

TARTRESED wrote:
CRJ5000 wrote:
Starting at $52/hour for FOs with a 62 hour guarantee.
$38,000/year.

Sadly there's going to be no shortage of pilots willing to fly for that in these times.


Oh the horror! $38K per year for a part time job, how will they live?


That is exceptionally low pay for a 737 pilot
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:21 am

Moosefire wrote:
TARTRESED wrote:
CRJ5000 wrote:
Starting at $52/hour for FOs with a 62 hour guarantee.
$38,000/year.

Sadly there's going to be no shortage of pilots willing to fly for that in these times.


Oh the horror! $38K per year for a part time job, how will they live?


That is exceptionally low pay for a 737 pilot


To make matters even worse, you are home based and will have to commute to work. Unlike other cargo operators who pay to position you for trips, Mesa has agreed to pay for ZED fares (And even then only because you lose your flight benefits.) This means you are on the bottom of a standby list to get to work, and might need to spend an entire day waiting in airports and flying ridiculous routings just to make it to work. Will likely need to fly in the day before for any morning trips. You could be on the hook for your own hotel if that's the case.
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:26 am

UPlog wrote:
sailsail wrote:
Would a current Mesa pilot be able to bid into those birds? Like if I’m flying CRJs for Mesa with Eagle branding and if I was the highest seniority FO/Captain in the company and really wanted to live in Cincinnati. Could I bid the FO/captain spot and Mesa Train me?


If you read the attached press release that the OPer posted it says:

“We are proud to offer new opportunities to our employees as we enter the cargo industry. In particular, Mesa pilots will now have the ability to earn a 737 type rating and receive the highest pay in the regional industry, all without leaving the company.”


Lol “the highest pay in the regional industry...” for flying a 737.

TARTRESED wrote:
CRJ5000 wrote:
Starting at $52/hour for FOs with a 62 hour guarantee.
$38,000/year.

Sadly there's going to be no shortage of pilots willing to fly for that in these times.


Oh the horror! $38K per year for a part time job, how will they live?


This comes off as sarcasm, but I think one has to read it as a serious statement. 62 flight hrs is a *full time job* for cargo pilots, and 38k a year is peanuts to fly a 737. In fact, 38k isn’t a good living for anyone...
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:46 pm

Harvestman wrote:
MO11 wrote:
WN732 wrote:

Mesa does things on the cheap, they are probably used, converted, used, and used planes.



The last two that Southern is currently operating.....

There were five originally: N305GT, N306GT, N307GT, N309GT and N311GT. 307 is iAero's now and 311 is KII's. Wonder which of the remaining three they will get.


309 drove to the Swift hangar last week.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:53 pm

CRJ5000 wrote:
Starting at $52/hour for FOs with a 62 hour guarantee.
$38,000/year.

Sadly there's going to be no shortage of pilots willing to fly for that in these times.

All that and you get to fly a plane that originated in the Reagan Administration.

I suppose some will see a 737 type rating as a stepping stone to a future career with the majors.

I suppose those same people should talk to the people flying those same planes at their last carrier to see how that worked out for them.

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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:09 pm

I see an announcement like this and I think immediately of scope. But correct me if I am wrong on this. DHL doesn't actually operate their own airline but contract the cargo service out to other carriers such as ABEX Air. Am I correct to assume that because ABEX air itself is a contractor, and not actually operated by DHL, they would not have a scope clause with DHL saying that they had to operate planes like these. (I am thinking FedEx and UPS for context, as both operate their own air fleets). That is how they are able to outsource to a company like Mesa. Do I read this correctly?
 
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Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:36 pm

apodino wrote:
I see an announcement like this and I think immediately of scope. But correct me if I am wrong on this. DHL doesn't actually operate their own airline but contract the cargo service out to other carriers such as ABEX Air. Am I correct to assume that because ABEX air itself is a contractor, and not actually operated by DHL, they would not have a scope clause with DHL saying that they had to operate planes like these. (I am thinking FedEx and UPS for context, as both operate their own air fleets). That is how they are able to outsource to a company like Mesa. Do I read this correctly?


Basically yes. It gets more complicated when it comes to the nuance of “operational control” but in this case you’re correct
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:34 am

MO11 wrote:
Harvestman wrote:
MO11 wrote:


The last two that Southern is currently operating.....

There were five originally: N305GT, N306GT, N307GT, N309GT and N311GT. 307 is iAero's now and 311 is KII's. Wonder which of the remaining three they will get.


309 drove to the Swift hangar last week.

Interesting...I'd have expected it to fly there. Thanks for the info - will have to keep an eye out for it out on the ramp.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:53 pm

Mesa believes it can operate 10 737s for DHL by 2022.

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/mesa- ... ts-by-2022
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Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:04 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Mesa believes it can operate 10 737s for DHL by 2022.

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/mesa- ... ts-by-2022

They should have no problem Getting pilots
 
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Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:19 pm

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Ornstein finally got his 737's.

2020 is wild.

they had the intent even before Orenstein took over when Larry Risely announced to the United ALPA group that he intended to fly 737's in United Colors. That was a stupid move then.. but now? It's not a really dumb move as he's going to cut and cook his OWN chops instead of eating off the plate of another airline. now it remains to be seen whether they have the Moxie to get it done and How well they do it. 737-400 parts should be plentiful as the -300 and -500 are still viable aircraft. and supported by Boeing. The problem might only be? What kind of cockpits are they coming with and will they need new EFIS cockpit work done on them? That airplane id still fully analog last I saw one though I have never worked on one directly. I still have all the -300/-400/-500 manuals and study guides for that airplane on CDROM.
 
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Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:23 pm

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TARTRESED wrote:
CRJ5000 wrote:
Starting at $52/hour for FOs with a 62 hour guarantee.
$38,000/year.

Sadly there's going to be no shortage of pilots willing to fly for that in these times.


Oh the horror! $38K per year for a part time job, how will they live?


What a wildly ridiculous comment. Keep in mind these guys will be flying over your head. You want highly qualified, well compensated pilots
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:06 pm

TARTRESED wrote:
CRJ5000 wrote:
Starting at $52/hour for FOs with a 62 hour guarantee.
$38,000/year.

Sadly there's going to be no shortage of pilots willing to fly for that in these times.


Oh the horror! $38K per year for a part time job, how will they live?

It's not "part time". They don't get paid unless the aircraft is in the air. The pre-flight prep, qualifying to stay current, All on your own nickle.
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:19 pm

TARTRESED wrote:
CRJ5000 wrote:
Starting at $52/hour for FOs with a 62 hour guarantee.
$38,000/year.

Sadly there's going to be no shortage of pilots willing to fly for that in these times.


Oh the horror! $38K per year for a part time job, how will they live?



Not even remotely close to a part time job. Most schedules will be 11 or 12 days off per month. Everything else is spent in a hotel/airplane/cargo facility.

It's abysmal pay for a 737. Ryanair FO's make about $53,000 USD their first year, and thats considered among the lowest.
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:05 am

we had a tread on e-jets fright conversion 6 months ago:
viewtopic.php?t=1440213

Embraer announced a couple of weeks ago a freight conversion kit for E-175s:
https://www.google.ca/?client=safari&channel=iphone_bm

Could it be that Mesa starts flying cargo with its E-jets also ?

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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:36 am

docmtl wrote:
we had a tread on e-jets fright conversion 6 months ago:
viewtopic.php?t=1440213

Embraer announced a couple of weeks ago a freight conversion kit for E-175s:
https://www.google.ca/?client=safari&channel=iphone_bm

Could it be that Mesa starts flying cargo with its E-jets also ?

docmtl


I don't' believe that Mesa actually own any of those 175's that they are flying. I believe UA owns them and YV just fly's them.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:49 am

crj900lr wrote:
docmtl wrote:
we had a tread on e-jets fright conversion 6 months ago:
viewtopic.php?t=1440213

Embraer announced a couple of weeks ago a freight conversion kit for E-175s:
https://www.google.ca/?client=safari&channel=iphone_bm

Could it be that Mesa starts flying cargo with its E-jets also ?

docmtl


I don't' believe that Mesa actually own any of those 175's that they are flying. I believe UA owns them and YV just fly's them.


Mesa owns 18 of the group. But they won't be flying cargo; they're all under contract to UA.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:51 am

TARTRESED wrote:
CRJ5000 wrote:
Starting at $52/hour for FOs with a 62 hour guarantee.
$38,000/year.

Sadly there's going to be no shortage of pilots willing to fly for that in these times.


Oh the horror! $38K per year for a part time job, how will they live?


Yeah not a part time job when you don’t have the time off to get another job........do some research on how pilot schedules work and how they get paid before you make stupid comments in front of industry professionals on a topic you clearly know less than zero about.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group to operate 737s for DHL

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:38 am

TARTRESED wrote:
CRJ5000 wrote:
Starting at $52/hour for FOs with a 62 hour guarantee.
$38,000/year.

Sadly there's going to be no shortage of pilots willing to fly for that in these times.


Oh the horror! $38K per year for a part time job, how will they live?


This is perhaps the most ignorant post I have ever read here, and displays a total lack of understanding of how pilot scheduling and compensation works.

Moosefire wrote:
apodino wrote:
I see an announcement like this and I think immediately of scope. But correct me if I am wrong on this. DHL doesn't actually operate their own airline but contract the cargo service out to other carriers such as ABEX Air. Am I correct to assume that because ABEX air itself is a contractor, and not actually operated by DHL, they would not have a scope clause with DHL saying that they had to operate planes like these. (I am thinking FedEx and UPS for context, as both operate their own air fleets). That is how they are able to outsource to a company like Mesa. Do I read this correctly?


Basically yes. It gets more complicated when it comes to the nuance of “operational control” but in this case you’re correct


And that also means that DHL can whipsaw the contract airlines against each other like the legacies do with the regionals, right?

Varsity1 wrote:
It's abysmal pay for a 737. Ryanair FO's make about $53,000 USD their first year, and thats considered among the lowest.


Hell, I make more than what Mesa is offering just fueling the airplanes and I get to be home every night. “Living the dream” isn’t worth letting an airline underpay its pilots like that.

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Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos