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Update: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:26 am

Reports that US regional carrier Republic Airways is preparing to send WARN notices out to 40% of their workforce for furloughs would be expected to come October 1st.

US Regional Carrier Republic Prepares To Warn 40% Of Staff
https://simpleflying.com/republic-airwa ... h-warning/

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RJET previously furlough 300 staff including crew members
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Re: Rumor: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:16 am

Things are sure not getting better for some airlines, big or small.
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Re: Rumor: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:48 am

If this is true I know of couple possibly things that could be the cause. First with Delta there was some wording in the pilots contract that gave reverse flow to those 36 Compass ERJ-175 birds and I've heard there is a dispute on whether it has to do to a couple different ways of reading it. Also there is some talk about at from Delta that the scope reverts back to 70 seats as the max scope after so many layoffs instead of 76 seat aircraft.
Next with the probably announcement coming soon of UA parking/retiring the 767-400ER/757-300 and 757-200 aircraft by years end also might attribute to it. if it is true.
 
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Re: Rumor: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:04 am

I can’t speak for DL’s scope, but our contract at UA states that if furloughed pilots reaches January, 2016 (not sure of the exact date) then six seats need to be taken out of all 76 seat regional jets. As it stands out of the 2250, the most senior on that list is just shy of triggering that provision. If furloughs go deeper later on, six seats will come out in short order.
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Re: Rumor: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:06 am

According to the airline pilot central forums, today there was an announcement that all 100% of ExpressJet crewmembers received WARN notices too.

Sad, rough, times ahead for the airline industry.
 
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Re: Rumor: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:36 am

A lot of companies right now are going on the very, very high end of what they actually expect to let go as far as WARN notices go, so hopefully the job loses wont be as bad as they sound right now. I suspect at least some of this is being done to get more money out of Congress as well as concession from union work groups.

NLINK wrote:
If this is true I know of couple possibly things that could be the cause. First with Delta there was some wording in the pilots contract that gave reverse flow to those 36 Compass ERJ-175 birds and I've heard there is a dispute on whether it has to do to a couple different ways of reading it. Also there is some talk about at from Delta that the scope reverts back to 70 seats as the max scope after so many layoffs instead of 76 seat aircraft.
Next with the probably announcement coming soon of UA parking/retiring the 767-400ER/757-300 and 757-200 aircraft by years end also might attribute to it. if it is true.

You'd have to get a pilot at Delta to tell you exactly how many pilots can be furloughed before this kicks in, but per the last PWA any pilots laid off at DOS (date of signing) would trigger all 76 seat jets to become 70 seats or less.

but the last PWA was ~4 years ago and Delta has hired a ton of pilots since DOS of the last PWA so I'd bet they can go 2-3K (maybe 4) before having to really be worried about this.
Acey559 wrote:
I can’t speak for DL’s scope, but our contract at UA states that if furloughed pilots reaches January, 2016 (not sure of the exact date) then six seats need to be taken out of all 76 seat regional jets. As it stands out of the 2250, the most senior on that list is just shy of triggering that provision. If furloughs go deeper later on, six seats will come out in short order.

The language is pretty similar and the timing should be about the same.
 
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Re: Rumor: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:33 pm

What CPA's are at risk for RJET?

I don't think AA/DL/UA can just walk away without paying out hefty penalties.
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Re: Rumor: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:05 pm

UPlog wrote:
What CPA's are at risk for RJET?

I don't think AA/DL/UA can just walk away without paying out hefty penalties.


None. All of the remaining CPA’s are long-term into the mid- to late-2020s. With that being said, YX did just lose 6 DL 170s to CPA expiration. These were formerly at CP.
 
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Re: Rumor: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:09 pm

deltal1011man wrote:
per the last PWA any pilots laid off at DOS (date of signing) would trigger all 76 seat jets to become 70 seats or less.


So... does this require actual removal of seats or simply a restriction of booked capacity to 70 seats? Because if it's just booked capacity, the 76-seaters probably aren't being sold above 40 seats now anyway. Even physically removing seats from 76-seat aircraft will be cheaper than paying mainline pilots for whom there is no flying, unfortunately.
 
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Re: Rumor: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:17 pm

Acey559 wrote:
I can’t speak for DL’s scope, but our contract at UA states that if furloughed pilots reaches January, 2016 (not sure of the exact date) then six seats need to be taken out of all 76 seat regional jets. As it stands out of the 2250, the most senior on that list is just shy of triggering that provision. If furloughs go deeper later on, six seats will come out in short order.


The date in the DL contract is December 1, 2016. WARN letters went all the way to the first class after that date. 2,558 letters.
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Re: Rumor: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:04 am

ScottB wrote:
deltal1011man wrote:
per the last PWA any pilots laid off at DOS (date of signing) would trigger all 76 seat jets to become 70 seats or less.


So... does this require actual removal of seats or simply a restriction of booked capacity to 70 seats? Because if it's just booked capacity, the 76-seaters probably aren't being sold above 40 seats now anyway. Even physically removing seats from 76-seat aircraft will be cheaper than paying mainline pilots for whom there is no flying, unfortunately.

They can likely just do what Republic did back in the F9 days - take a seatbelt off of the unsellable seats. They removed one from E190's 100th seat. Scummy move, to be polite, but "compliant" nonetheless.
 
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Re: Rumor: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:22 am

In a similar vein, didn't AA for some time use a kind of big plastic 'seat blocker box' to take 738 seat count down to 150 to staff with 3 FAs?
 
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Re: Rumor: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:49 am

DL in the past actually removed seats from 738s to get it to 150. It was weird seeing the emptiness in the back.
 
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Re: Rumor: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:43 am

KCaviator wrote:
UPlog wrote:
What CPA's are at risk for RJET?

I don't think AA/DL/UA can just walk away without paying out hefty penalties.


None. All of the remaining CPA’s are long-term into the mid- to late-2020s. With that being said, YX did just lose 6 DL 170s to CPA expiration. These were formerly at CP.

Safe to assume the rest of the CPA birds are not coming now.
Best guess rumors are reductions of 50-60 frames total Between the three carriers, Oldest first, and all of the owned frames will still be flying. Reduced block hours for the rest. I expect the HQ layoffs are going to be really brutal, and across all departments. A couple of bases will likely close, maybe three. If you know anything about YX, you can likely guess which two.

Lyft is still operating, if anything they are flying even more now, than before.

IMO, the Training center/ HQ move Could still be a go, because that is largely being paid for by others, not YX. And most of the glass window people live in Zionsville or Carmel.
 
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Re: Rumor: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:22 am

Reported the company issuing WARN notices to 40% of its pilot group.
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Re: Rumor: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:33 am

LAXintl wrote:
Reported the company issuing WARN notices to 40% of its pilot group.


From my connection over there, they’re saying 933 furloughs and 403 downgrades. Furloughs equate to roughly 37%.

Also, MCI and IAH are closing. Rough day for folks at YX. This will just be the beginning for the entire regional industry, IMO.
 
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Re: Rumor: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:59 am

JohnPettimore wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Reported the company issuing WARN notices to 40% of its pilot group.


From my connection over there, they’re saying 933 furloughs and 403 downgrades. Furloughs equate to roughly 37%.

Also, MCI and IAH are closing. Rough day for folks at YX. This will just be the beginning for the entire regional industry, IMO.

Ouch...
Thanks for the info.

Is this all CBA pilot staff? If so, the HQ and Maint layoffs are going to be beyond brutal.
Any word on HQ and FA’s?
 
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Re: Rumor: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:03 pm

deltal1011man wrote:
A lot of companies right now are going on the very, very high end of what they actually expect to let go as far as WARN notices go, so hopefully the job loses wont be as bad as they sound right now. I suspect at least some of this is being done to get more money out of Congress as well as concession from union work groups.

NLINK wrote:
If this is true I know of couple possibly things that could be the cause. First with Delta there was some wording in the pilots contract that gave reverse flow to those 36 Compass ERJ-175 birds and I've heard there is a dispute on whether it has to do to a couple different ways of reading it. Also there is some talk about at from Delta that the scope reverts back to 70 seats as the max scope after so many layoffs instead of 76 seat aircraft.
Next with the probably announcement coming soon of UA parking/retiring the 767-400ER/757-300 and 757-200 aircraft by years end also might attribute to it. if it is true.

You'd have to get a pilot at Delta to tell you exactly how many pilots can be furloughed before this kicks in, but per the last PWA any pilots laid off at DOS (date of signing) would trigger all 76 seat jets to become 70 seats or less.

but the last PWA was ~4 years ago and Delta has hired a ton of pilots since DOS of the last PWA so I'd bet they can go 2-3K (maybe 4) before having to really be worried about this.
Acey559 wrote:
I can’t speak for DL’s scope, but our contract at UA states that if furloughed pilots reaches January, 2016 (not sure of the exact date) then six seats need to be taken out of all 76 seat regional jets. As it stands out of the 2250, the most senior on that list is just shy of triggering that provision. If furloughs go deeper later on, six seats will come out in short order.

The language is pretty similar and the timing should be about the same.


They really arent

Things have gotten worse again. United now upped the number of expected furloughs to 3900

There are a few companies like WN AS and B6 that look alright (for now) post 10/1. But thats it. The rest will see massive furloughs
 
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Re: Rumor: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:13 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
There are a few companies like WN AS and B6 that look alright (for now) post 10/1. But thats it. The rest will see massive furloughs


I'm not even convinced of that...
 
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Re: Rumor: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:16 pm

JohnPettimore wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Reported the company issuing WARN notices to 40% of its pilot group.


From my connection over there, they’re saying 933 furloughs and 403 downgrades. Furloughs equate to roughly 37%.

Also, MCI and IAH are closing. Rough day for folks at YX. This will just be the beginning for the entire regional industry, IMO.

Ouch. 40% is close enough. This is brutal. I'm not sure what more to say.

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Re: Rumor: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:19 pm

codc10 wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
There are a few companies like WN AS and B6 that look alright (for now) post 10/1. But thats it. The rest will see massive furloughs


I'm not even convinced of that...


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Re: Rumor: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:45 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
There are a few companies like WN AS and B6 that look alright (for now) post 10/1. But thats it. The rest will see massive furloughs


You are much too optimistic. Growth in passenger counts flatlined in July. No U.S. carrier has said they can live indefinitely with 25-30% of last year's passengers numbers (and 20% of last year's revenue). In fact, there was this Chicago Tribune headline 7/14:

Southwest Airlines CEO: Passenger traffic must triple by end of year to avoid layoffs, furloughs
 
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Republic Announces Furloughs 300 based in IND

Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:48 pm

This is part of the furlough notices sent out last week to 40% of the pilot and FA groups.

From local media concerning Indianapolis-based employees alone:
Layoffs begin Oct 1 for some, Nov 1 for others.
Houston and Kansas City bases closing.
132 Pilots and 96 FA’s based in Indy being laid off. (They were short on FA’s before this all began).
40 at Headquarters being laid off. I assume This is on top of the 300 let go in March.
24 layoffs at the Indianapolis Maintenance Center.

https://www.wthr.com/article/money/busi ... 44cee49c34


This is local Indy media reporting about local layoffs. I would be interested to hear about the other bases, particularly CMH and NYC.

Company-wide pilot furlough notices went back to March 2018 hires, downgrades go back into 2014 hires.

IAH and MCI are very senior bases, so the relocations should get interesting. Opening SDF back up moved a good percentage of the most senior pilots back to Kentucky.

Anybody have any good insight into this?
 
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Re: Rumor: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:28 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Reported the company issuing WARN notices to 40% of its pilot group.

Furlough clause was included with the WARN notice. Two birds killed with one stone. Ugly times to come.
 
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Re: Update: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:37 pm

In terms of accounting, does anyone know if AA, DL, or UA have written down their partial ownerships in Republic Airway Holdings yet?
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Re: Republic Announces Furloughs 300 based in IND

Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:54 am

FlyingElvii wrote:
From local media concerning Indianapolis-based employees alone:
Layoffs begin Oct 1 for some, Nov 1 for others.
Houston and Kansas City bases closing.
132 Pilots and 96 FA’s based in Indy being laid off. (They were short on FA’s before this all began).
40 at Headquarters being laid off. I assume This is on top of the 300 let go in March.
24 layoffs at the Indianapolis Maintenance Center.

https://www.wthr.com/article/money/busi ... 44cee49c34



Assuming layoffs are in reverse seniority order (no reason to assume otherwise), is IND the most junior pilot and FA base at Republic?
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Re: Republic Announces Furloughs 300 based in IND

Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:07 am

toltommy wrote:
FlyingElvii wrote:
From local media concerning Indianapolis-based employees alone:
Layoffs begin Oct 1 for some, Nov 1 for others.
Houston and Kansas City bases closing.
132 Pilots and 96 FA’s based in Indy being laid off. (They were short on FA’s before this all began).
40 at Headquarters being laid off. I assume This is on top of the 300 let go in March.
24 layoffs at the Indianapolis Maintenance Center.

https://www.wthr.com/article/money/busi ... 44cee49c34



Assuming layoffs are in reverse seniority order (no reason to assume otherwise), is IND the most junior pilot and FA base at Republic?


Until SDF reopened, it was fairly senior, with a lot of Lifer's. After, I am not sure.
 
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Re: Update: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:01 am

RJET pilots agree to cuts to avoid furloughs. The LOA calls for a reduction in monthly hourly guarantee pay and while increasing days off per bid period. Essentially putting a portion of pilot group essentially part-time status.

https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/republi ... furloughs/
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Re: Update: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:41 pm

Per LAXintl's link, captain guarantee reduced to 45 hours monthly; FO, 32.

Anybody know what the previous mins were?
 
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Re: Update: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:01 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Per LAXintl's link, captain guarantee reduced to 45 hours monthly; FO, 32.

Anybody know what the previous mins were?


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Re: Update: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:44 pm

In terms of seeking other employment, is that prohibited until actually furloughed?
 
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Re: Update: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:51 pm

LAXintl wrote:
RJET pilots agree to cuts to avoid furloughs. The LOA calls for a reduction in monthly hourly guarantee pay and while increasing days off per bid period. Essentially putting a portion of pilot group essentially part-time status.

https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/republi ... furloughs/


This is great for the YX pilots, but it puts the entire financial burden on YX. So if passenger numbers don't rebound, YX will have to make decisions on staffing. Carrying so many extra pilots comes at a high cost. How long can they sustain it without additional government funding?
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Re: Update: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:54 pm

par13del wrote:
In terms of seeking other employment, is that prohibited until actually furloughed?


I have to ask - why would it be? And prohibited by whom?
 
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Re: Update: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:13 pm

par13del wrote:
In terms of seeking other employment, is that prohibited until actually furloughed?

Unless working for a competitor and divulging secrets (non-compete and/or non-disclosure agreement), any clause that prevents having a 2nd job would be deemed illegal, especially if you can no longer guarantee full employment.
You'd have to still be able to perform at your original job of course, and be able to comply with any regulations regarding drinking/sleeping/etc.
 
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Re: Update: Republic Airways furlough 40% of workforce

Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:30 pm

par13del wrote:
In terms of seeking other employment, is that prohibited until actually furloughed?


If you’re speaking specifically to employment as a pilot, it depends on the airline. I worked for two regionals and it was specifically mentioned in our FOM that outside employment as a pilot was prohibited. Main reason being is that it can cause issues with your flight time/duty limits.

My current employer does allow outside employment/contract work but it needs to be specifically approved and can’t be for another Part 121, 135 or 91K operator due to the above mentioned limitations.
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