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Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:11 pm

I apologize for the clickbait title, but I have to share this with the Anet community!

The next video is making rounds on Facebook, and probably soon everywhere else. It's Rada Airlines' EW-450TR taking of from Nis Airport (INI) in Serbia. They rotate in the very last feet of the runway, and seem to barely clear the airport perimiter fence. Look at how fast the gear doors open after rotation!

Please turn on your sound!

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=898575010623634
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:25 pm

Thanks for sharing the video. Seems like they were perhaps a tad heavier than normal for the length of the runway. Must have been somewhat exhilarating for the person filming,
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:11 pm

Cargo plane so perhaps very heavy? Wasn't climbing very quickly.
 
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:20 pm

That plane is one accident waiting to happen.

I remember seeing it a couple years back in Khartoum with a crew of technicians and a firetruck washing mud off the wings and flaps after it had a runway excursion.
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:25 pm

Captain says “we paid for the full runway, so we use the full runway”. Nevertheless just more than a wee bit dangerous.
 
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:31 pm

Geez that's just truly crazy (and also somewhat dangerous, but that's Russian pilots for you lol). Thanks for posting this, I wouldn't have seen it otherwise :)
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:36 pm

YIKES! the pilots had laundry to do that night! :-)
 
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:51 pm

Kinda looks like they were hotdogging it a bit...
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:54 pm

Pretty amazing to see. But definitely dont want to be a passenger on a plane where I see the end of the runway while we are still very much on it!! :? :vomit:
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:15 pm

Nis only has 2,500 m of runway. Fairly short in any case. Amazing video tho.

Wouldn't surprise me if those old engines don't produce as much thrust anymore as they used to.
 
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:38 pm

Reminds me of the "vodka burner" video.....
 
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:49 pm

So, have they cleared the hills that we can see a few miles down the runway ;-) ?
 
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Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:21 pm

mxaxai wrote:
Nis only has 2,500 m of runway. Fairly short in any case. Amazing video tho.

Wouldn't surprise me if those old engines don't produce as much thrust anymore as they used to.


Wouldn't say 2500m is that short unless you are high up.
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:34 pm

Insane. If I'm not wrong, he lifted off past the displaced threshold.
 
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:45 pm

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Wouldn't say 2500m is that short unless you are high up.

The Il-62 is still a long-haul plane, and a fairly old one at that. Most modern airliners with comparable range require more than 2,500 m at MTOW.
 
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:33 pm

Google for the ILW take offs in Tivat, you will love those as well.

I have flown on quite some Russian metal. I have worked on many as well and I know lots of crews. It’s just something completely different, I always loved it. In the case of this Rada Take off, most likely they were a bit heavy and needed the speed. I doubt it was on purpose. They retracted the gear 5cm above ground, hahaha. But it is quite common to use the runway more than needed, they have in a certain situation a kind of need for speed, and if you don‘t spend much tome on weight and balance, well, then you need to get your business going and gear up some time...

My „heaviest“ Russian take off was on a TU3 from IKT to MJZ. I remember seeing many passengers on this full flight with some 5 bags or so during check in - they were memorable to me, because in comparison to others they „only“ had 5 bags. In the end the loaded a full truck of bags somehow into the TU3 and off we were going.

The acceleration was not worth mentioning and after a few second and very little speed increase I had to laugh a bit because of the fact that I was the only one on this Tushka not needing to be there (and I thought for the first time in my life, do I really need this?), and after 2/3rds of the runway and still heavy on the main landing gear I became a bit emotionally discomfortable...but she flew. Not that sporty, but heck, after 15min and burning off the first ton of fuel in 300m above ground we steadily climbed. It turned out to be my most memorable flight, on my favorite airliner, an airliner for real men, stylish and beautiful, a beast and jet graceful, a dino roaring out the glory of long gone aviation eras... it was a remarkable crew, wonderful airline, great people and the greatest airliner ever to roar through the skies.

Here‘s a video of that take off. IKT has about 3600m usable runway, so we used up about 3km excluding a backtrack of about 300m. And yes, we paid for the complete runway, so we shall use it:

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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:02 pm

rampbro wrote:
Reminds me of the "vodka burner" video.....


That’s a classic that I watch every few months. Anyone know what year that was from and what Aussie airport was it at?
 
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:53 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
rampbro wrote:
Reminds me of the "vodka burner" video.....


That’s a classic that I watch every few months. Anyone know what year that was from and what Aussie airport was it at?


Canberra, YSCB. I don't know when it was taken; I believe the runway was extended in 2006, and it was probably before then, but I have no idea what the date was.
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:18 am

according to FR24, an IL62 has been operating INI-EVN-INI runs of late.
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:27 am

I've seen the IL-62 climbing out of SFO and they got off pretty well if damn noisy. That might have just been That pilot's technique and point of view even of the 62. they didn't seem to pass that far over San Bruno Mountain climbing out. But then? Neither did the IL-96 either but it did make it over the mountain so no foul called..
 
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:50 am

some years ago, there was a picture on this site of a Vaso IL86 at HKT doing the same
 
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:03 am

Impressive.
I flew Il-62 (on Air Koryo) and frankly taking off is a bit weird as you feel almost no acceleration and it seems the runway will not be long enough. I remember a similar feel on landing: you look down, you're so low you can count hair on people's on the ground and think you'll be landed within seconds and five minutes later, you still are in the air...
 
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:47 am

To use a style of Family Guy joke:

"In Soviet Russia, Earth's curvature drops from under plane!"
 
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:32 pm

I was on a 727 departing LAX that seemed to take off simply by running out of runway extending out into the ocean.
 
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:18 pm

rampbro wrote:
Reminds me of the "vodka burner" video.....



You mean this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7q3j69-SHM
 
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:49 pm

This is very dangerous. They´re playing with luck. It reminds me the Aerosucre accident in Puerto Carreño. Unfortunately, they haven´t got that luck.
 
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:24 pm

RE the last two posts: it’s amazing we have videos on YouTube of both of these events.
 
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:42 pm

Great clip.

Il-62s were rather under powered for their size. I think even the VIP ones would have trouble climbing at any sort of reasonable rate

Love the comment under the clip "We paid for full runway, we use full runway!"
 
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:57 pm

mxaxai wrote:
tu204 wrote:
Wouldn't say 2500m is that short unless you are high up.

The Il-62 is still a long-haul plane, and a fairly old one at that. Most modern airliners with comparable range require more than 2,500 m at MTOW.

I agree. 2500 m is perfectly fine for a mid range twin, but for an older cargo quad at the high TOW, that's likely at the limit. I bet even modern quad will need more at max weights.
But without knowing their actual weight at the time - not possible to say.
 
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:11 pm

Ty134A wrote:
My „heaviest“ Russian take off was on a TU3 from IKT to MJZ.

Here‘s a video of that take off.


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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:20 pm

I doubt Rada would risk blatant violation of the plane's operating limits. At least, not in Europe. Too much eyes, too much cameras, too easy to get busted and blacklisted. So they were likely legal, probably on the edge of it.
 
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:20 pm

workhorse wrote:
Ty134A wrote:
My „heaviest“ Russian take off was on a TU3 from IKT to MJZ.

Here‘s a video of that take off.


Wait, you are Planesafari? Kudos for your videos, I really enjoy them! Always filmed from the best seat and with great sound quality!


Yep that's me. Hahaha best seat ist alway a question of the point of view - but in an TU3 a no brainer ;-). At the moment there ist a downside to this (my) hobby: not a lot left to fly on. The Rada IL6 is something I am trying already some time... and the big Antonovs. Then that's pretty much it..
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:29 pm

vuelti24 wrote:
This is very dangerous. They´re playing with luck. It reminds me the Aerosucre accident in Puerto Carreño. Unfortunately, they haven´t got that luck.


Had there been an obstacle like the fence and barn in the Aerosucre accident, the result would have been the same. Also reminds oft the MK 747 accident when they miscalculated the takeoff and went into a quarry at the end of the runway.
 
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:04 pm

Ty134A wrote:
Google for the ILW take offs in Tivat, you will love those as well.

I have flown on quite some Russian metal. I have worked on many as well and I know lots of crews. It’s just something completely different, I always loved it. In the case of this Rada Take off, most likely they were a bit heavy and needed the speed. I doubt it was on purpose. They retracted the gear 5cm above ground, hahaha. But it is quite common to use the runway more than needed, they have in a certain situation a kind of need for speed, and if you don‘t spend much tome on weight and balance, well, then you need to get your business going and gear up some time...

My „heaviest“ Russian take off was on a TU3 from IKT to MJZ. I remember seeing many passengers on this full flight with some 5 bags or so during check in - they were memorable to me, because in comparison to others they „only“ had 5 bags. In the end the loaded a full truck of bags somehow into the TU3 and off we were going.

The acceleration was not worth mentioning and after a few second and very little speed increase I had to laugh a bit because of the fact that I was the only one on this Tushka not needing to be there (and I thought for the first time in my life, do I really need this?), and after 2/3rds of the runway and still heavy on the main landing gear I became a bit emotionally discomfortable...but she flew. Not that sporty, but heck, after 15min and burning off the first ton of fuel in 300m above ground we steadily climbed. It turned out to be my most memorable flight, on my favorite airliner, an airliner for real men, stylish and beautiful, a beast and jet graceful, a dino roaring out the glory of long gone aviation eras... it was a remarkable crew, wonderful airline, great people and the greatest airliner ever to roar through the skies.

Here‘s a video of that take off. IKT has about 3600m usable runway, so we used up about 3km excluding a backtrack of about 300m. And yes, we paid for the complete runway, so we shall use it:

https://youtu.be/_xYxJ_ZSxAY


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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:33 pm

Most certainly not "planed" like this. If this incident gets reported (under EASA legislation it would be an ASR/MOR for sure - not sure about the local laws applicable to this airline) it will probably be investigated as a serious incident. Takeoff performance calculations have to ensure a screen height of 35ft at the runway end if an engine fails at V1. Looking at the video the aircraft did not achieve 35ft at the runway end, even though all engines were operative. Therefore there must have been an error in takeoff performance calculations (or some other error, f.e. thrust setting problem, engine problem etc etc).
 
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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:06 pm

Flow2706 wrote:
Most certainly not "planed" like this. If this incident gets reported (under EASA legislation it would be an ASR/MOR for sure - not sure about the local laws applicable to this airline) it will probably be investigated as a serious incident. Takeoff performance calculations have to ensure a screen height of 35ft at the runway end if an engine fails at V1. Looking at the video the aircraft did not achieve 35ft at the runway end, even though all engines were operative. Therefore there must have been an error in takeoff performance calculations (or some other error, f.e. thrust setting problem, engine problem etc etc).


35ft...measured from the flight deck or from the IL6 tail strut? The flight deck was above 35ft, the strut slightly below, engines old and probably only delivering some 75% the most. So on average the plane was at 35ft, and it had probably kind of an engine out, additionally to some other things most likely not....aaah forget it. All together all the safety margins were met and cargo is welcomed aboard on the next destination.

With all those bulls§$\t airlines nowadays doing LMCs on a freaking gate bag people forget that a take off performance calculation can be done by looking on your fueling bill and the weather outside, hahaha. I don‘t remember a single flight on a Russian airliner were someone made a calculation. They did check their performance tables (I have one of the TU3 from a pilot who didn‘t really use it) once in a while if it was obvious that there might be limitations. I also remember IL8 crews that told me they would regularly fly the plane wit max onload, max fuel and no trim calculations. They said that the IL8 was an awesome airliner and really forgiving, especially when off on all limits.

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Re: Incredible footage of Rada Airlines IL-62 t/o

Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:35 pm

Nothing new for a soviet type taking off :)
Great clip anyway
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Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:44 pm

opticalilyushin wrote:
To use a style of Family Guy joke:

"In Soviet Russia, Earth's curvature drops from under plane!"


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Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:58 pm

Ty134A wrote:
With all those bulls§$\t airlines nowadays doing LMCs on a freaking gate bag people forget that a take off performance calculation can be done by looking on your fueling bill and the weather outside, hahaha. I don‘t remember a single flight on a Russian airliner were someone made a calculation.


I was a ramp agent at VIE 1985 - 1991. We did weight & balance for most airlines - except SR, BA, KL and LH, which had their own personel. The only airline with TU3 coming into VIE for which we distributed the load and calculated the trim was IF. All others only got ZFW, TOW and LW on the loadsheet. For this of course we had to ask the crew for the fuel figures. All too often the answer was always the same for the given route, although wind, wheather in general and payload were different every day. (SU to SVO fuelled up usually - the others had enough fuel on board for the way back home and didn't top-up, except when there was bad wheather to be expected there.) We then just filled the rear cargo-bay till full, and the rest went in the front bay which was accessible by a sliding door on the starboard side. To be seen here - open:
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The bay itself was on the port side, and the cargo had to be loaded across a small corridor, which connected the passenger cabin with the cockpit. The separation was just with nets. Rarely we had heavy items of some sort that needed to be lifted up with a forklift, and for those we preferred the front bay, since at the back the starboard engine presented quite an obstacle. As you can see on the above mentioned photo the rear cargo door was hidden just under it. Both bays on the TU3 are at the same level like the cabin.

Only when coming with the TU5 (MA, LZ, SU, LO, RO) or bigger types one cockpit-crew member usually remained at the aircraft (the others went shopping) and told us how they want the distribution of bags, cargo and mail after they got the number of booked passengers and the weight of cargo and mail from us. They could judge quite well by their eyes what would fit were. The weights were just stated by category on the loadsheet, the trim calculation was made (or not made...) by the crew.
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