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July 17th: Deadliest Date in Aviation History?

Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:11 pm

For some of us it's already July 17th, which is the anniversary of 4 deadly air disasters:

- 1996: TWA 800; 747-200 from JFK to CDG; crashing in the sea off the shore of East Moriches, NY; 230 killed
- 2000: Alliance Air 7412; 737-200 from Calcutta to Patna; crashed on approach to Patna; 55 killed
- 2007: TAM 3054; A320 from Porto Alegre to Sao Paulo; crashed after landing at Congonhas Airport; 199 killed (incl. 12 on the ground)
- 2014: Malaysia 17; 777-200ER from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur; shot down by pro-Russian separatists over Ukraine; 298 killed

A total of 787 people were killed in these accidents. May they all rest in peace. With so many deaths, it makes me wonder if July 17th is the deadliest date in aviation history. Thoughts?
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Re: July 17th: Deadliest Date in Aviation History?

Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:29 pm

September 11th?
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Re: July 17th: Deadliest Date in Aviation History?

Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:03 pm

KLMatSJC wrote:
September 11th?


Of the 2,996 people killed that day, 265 were passengers on the four flights. I guess we’re talking about nuances here.
 
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Re: July 17th: Deadliest Date in Aviation History?

Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:08 pm

TEMPO wrote:
KLMatSJC wrote:
September 11th?


Of the 2,996 people killed that day, 265 were passengers on the four flights. I guess we’re talking about nuances here.


Yeah, of course 9/11 had the most fatalities caused by crashes, but I'm talking about accidents (not terrorist attacks), and, with the exception of JJ3054, no ground casualties.
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Re: July 17th: Deadliest Date in Aviation History?

Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:24 pm

According to Aviation-Safety.net, yes July 17 is deadliest date in aviation history, with 927 fatalities.

If we're excluding fatalities due to terrorism or other criminal acts, we can exclude MH17.
 
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Re: July 17th: Deadliest Date in Aviation History?

Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:48 pm

October 31st isn't as deadly but has had fair share of crashes.

-Western Airlines Flight 2605: On 10/31/1979, a DC-10 operating as Western Airlines 2605, flying from Los Angeles to Mexico City, crashed on landing in Mexico City after colliding with construction equipment on a closed runway. 72 people, plus an additional person on the ground, died and only 17 onboard survived.
-American Eagle Flight 4184: On 10/31/1994, an ATR 72 operating as American Eagle 4184 flying from Indianapolis to O'Hare, crashed in Roselawn, Indiana while in a hold due to icing on the wings. All 68 people died.
-TAM Flight 402: Crashed on 10/31/1996, a Fokker 100, operating as TAM 402 was flying from Sao Paulo to Recife via Rio de Janeiro. Crashed on takeoff after a reverse thruster deployed without commanded shortly after takeoff. All 95 people onboard died, along with 4 on the ground.
-Egyptair Flight 990: Crashed on 10/31/1999, a Boeing 767-300 operating as Egyptair 990 was flying LAX-JFK-CAI and crashed over the Atlantic not too far from Nantucket. All 217 passengers onboard died. Cause of crash is disputed, but was most likely a suicide by the first officer.
-Antonov AN-26 Explosion: 10/31/2000, an Antonov An-26 exploded in the air after taking off in Northern Angola, killing 50 people.
-Singapore Airlines Flight 006: On 10/31/2000, a Boeing 747-400 operating as Singapore Airlines 006 from Singapore to Los Angeles via Taipei, crashed on takeoff in Taipei after colliding with construction equipment on the runway during a Typhoon. 83 people died and 96 survived the accident onboard the aircraft.

That's 585 deaths total in 6 different accidents. More total accidents on October 31, but fewer deaths.
 
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Re: July 17th: Deadliest Date in Aviation History?

Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:02 am

A somewhat gruesome topic perhaps ?
 
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Re: July 17th: Deadliest Date in Aviation History?

Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:48 pm

Austin787 wrote:
According to Aviation-Safety.net, yes July 17 is deadliest date in aviation history, with 927 fatalities.

If we're excluding fatalities due to terrorism or other criminal acts, we can exclude MH17.


Interesting data here.

We have been blessed lately with slightly less aviation tragedy upon a worldwide scale.

Let’s keep it that way aviation citizens.
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Re: July 17th: Deadliest Date in Aviation History?

Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:26 am

InnsbruckFlyer wrote:
For some of us it's already July 17th, which is the anniversary of 4 deadly air disasters:

- 1996: TWA 800; 747-200 from JFK to CDG; crashing in the sea off the shore of East Moriches, NY; 230 killed
- 2000: Alliance Air 7412; 737-200 from Calcutta to Patna; crashed on approach to Patna; 55 killed
- 2007: TAM 3054; A320 from Porto Alegre to Sao Paulo; crashed after landing at Congonhas Airport; 199 killed (incl. 12 on the ground)
- 2014: Malaysia 17; 777-200ER from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur; shot down by pro-Russian separatists over Ukraine; 298 killed

A total of 787 people were killed in these accidents. May they all rest in peace. With so many deaths, it makes me wonder if July 17th is the deadliest date in aviation history. Thoughts?


TWA Flight 800 was operated by a 747-131, not a -200 when it crashed off Long Island in 1996.
 
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Re: July 17th: Deadliest Date in Aviation History?

Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:21 am

InnsbruckFlyer wrote:
For some of us it's already July 17th, which is the anniversary of 4 deadly air disasters:

- 1996: TWA 800; 747-200 from JFK to CDG; crashing in the sea off the shore of East Moriches, NY; 230 killed
- 2000: Alliance Air 7412; 737-200 from Calcutta to Patna; crashed on approach to Patna; 55 killed
- 2007: TAM 3054; A320 from Porto Alegre to Sao Paulo; crashed after landing at Congonhas Airport; 199 killed (incl. 12 on the ground)
- 2014: Malaysia 17; 777-200ER from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur; shot down by pro-Russian separatists over Ukraine; 298 killed

A total of 787 people were killed in these accidents. May they all rest in peace. With so many deaths, it makes me wonder if July 17th is the deadliest date in aviation history. Thoughts?


The interesting thing is that two of the four accidents are shrouded in conspiracy theory - TW800 & MH17.
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Re: July 17th: Deadliest Date in Aviation History?

Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:28 am

TheFlyingDisk wrote:
InnsbruckFlyer wrote:
For some of us it's already July 17th, which is the anniversary of 4 deadly air disasters:

- 1996: TWA 800; 747-200 from JFK to CDG; crashing in the sea off the shore of East Moriches, NY; 230 killed
- 2000: Alliance Air 7412; 737-200 from Calcutta to Patna; crashed on approach to Patna; 55 killed
- 2007: TAM 3054; A320 from Porto Alegre to Sao Paulo; crashed after landing at Congonhas Airport; 199 killed (incl. 12 on the ground)
- 2014: Malaysia 17; 777-200ER from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur; shot down by pro-Russian separatists over Ukraine; 298 killed

A total of 787 people were killed in these accidents. May they all rest in peace. With so many deaths, it makes me wonder if July 17th is the deadliest date in aviation history. Thoughts?


The interesting thing is that two of the four accidents are shrouded in conspiracy theory - TW800 & MH17.


I seem to recall reading at different times that there have been a number of aviation accidents on September 11 - excluding the terrorist events of 2001.
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Re: July 17th: Deadliest Date in Aviation History?

Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:37 am

The Safest Date in Aviation history? Feb 29. I can’t think of a single major airline accident that occurred on this day.
 
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Re: July 17th: Deadliest Date in Aviation History?

Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:38 am

TheFlyingDisk wrote:

The interesting thing is that two of the four accidents are shrouded in conspiracy theory - TW800 & MH17.


What's the conspiracy theory about MH17? I thought it was easily ruled out as shot down by a surface-to-air missile.
Sure, there were some questions about who fired: Russians or Ukrainians, but it surely isn't as deep as the TWA conspiracy.
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Re: July 17th: Deadliest Date in Aviation History?

Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:11 am

26point2 wrote:
The Safest Date in Aviation history? Feb 29. I can’t think of a single major airline accident that occurred on this day.


For my snowflake safety self...I make it a point to never fly on the 367th day of the year. (;

It’s just plane bad luck and next to impossible to get a great seat that day anyway!
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Re: July 17th: Deadliest Date in Aviation History?

Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:37 am

davidjohnson6 wrote:
A somewhat gruesome topic perhaps ?


If you think of it that way. Aviation related deaths are part of the industry. Just like car crashes are part of the car industry. Can't turn a blind eye to it.
 
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Re: July 17th: Deadliest Date in Aviation History?

Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:40 am

Cointrin330 wrote:
InnsbruckFlyer wrote:
For some of us it's already July 17th, which is the anniversary of 4 deadly air disasters:

- 1996: TWA 800; 747-200 from JFK to CDG; crashing in the sea off the shore of East Moriches, NY; 230 killed
- 2000: Alliance Air 7412; 737-200 from Calcutta to Patna; crashed on approach to Patna; 55 killed
- 2007: TAM 3054; A320 from Porto Alegre to Sao Paulo; crashed after landing at Congonhas Airport; 199 killed (incl. 12 on the ground)
- 2014: Malaysia 17; 777-200ER from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur; shot down by pro-Russian separatists over Ukraine; 298 killed

A total of 787 people were killed in these accidents. May they all rest in peace. With so many deaths, it makes me wonder if July 17th is the deadliest date in aviation history. Thoughts?


TWA Flight 800 was operated by a 747-131, not a -200 when it crashed off Long Island in 1996.


You're right, thanks for pointing it out.
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Re: July 17th: Deadliest Date in Aviation History?

Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:04 am

Austin787 wrote:
According to Aviation-Safety.net, yes July 17 is deadliest date in aviation history, with 927 fatalities.

If we're excluding fatalities due to terrorism or other criminal acts, we can exclude MH17.


Most accidents usually involve a criminal act somewhere. Not maintaining an aircraft properly or operating it outside published procedures and limitations etc. is generally considered a criminal act and is punishable. You would have to exclude a lot of accidents if that is your criteria.

Let's not forget that criminal acts can also be mistakes. The people who shot down the 777 obviously didn't intend to shoot down a Malaysian airliner. There is also the entire swiss-cheese model. MH-17 passed through several layers that could have prevented it, so just dismissing it as a criminal act doesn't really do the entire ordeal any favours. Many people failed at their job before somebody fired at it.
 
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Re: July 17th: Deadliest Date in Aviation History?

Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:52 pm

TheFlyingDisk wrote:
InnsbruckFlyer wrote:
For some of us it's already July 17th, which is the anniversary of 4 deadly air disasters:

- 1996: TWA 800; 747-200 from JFK to CDG; crashing in the sea off the shore of East Moriches, NY; 230 killed
- 2000: Alliance Air 7412; 737-200 from Calcutta to Patna; crashed on approach to Patna; 55 killed
- 2007: TAM 3054; A320 from Porto Alegre to Sao Paulo; crashed after landing at Congonhas Airport; 199 killed (incl. 12 on the ground)
- 2014: Malaysia 17; 777-200ER from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur; shot down by pro-Russian separatists over Ukraine; 298 killed

A total of 787 people were killed in these accidents. May they all rest in peace. With so many deaths, it makes me wonder if July 17th is the deadliest date in aviation history. Thoughts?


The interesting thing is that two of the four accidents are shrouded in conspiracy theory - TW800 & MH17.


Depending on how deep you look, and how much you are willing to suspend your critical thinking, everything is shrouded in conspiracy theory. At no time in modern history has that been more apparent.
 
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Re: July 17th: Deadliest Date in Aviation History?

Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:09 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
26point2 wrote:
The Safest Date in Aviation history? Feb 29. I can’t think of a single major airline accident that occurred on this day.


For my snowflake safety self...I make it a point to never fly on the 367th day of the year. (;

It’s just plane bad luck and next to impossible to get a great seat that day anyway!

What is the 366th day of the year?
 
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Re: July 17th: Deadliest Date in Aviation History?

Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:13 pm

FTMCPIUS wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
26point2 wrote:
The Safest Date in Aviation history? Feb 29. I can’t think of a single major airline accident that occurred on this day.


For my snowflake safety self...I make it a point to never fly on the 367th day of the year. (;

It’s just plane bad luck and next to impossible to get a great seat that day anyway!

What is the 366th day of the year?


Leap day (I'm assuming).
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Re: July 17th: Deadliest Date in Aviation History?

Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:38 pm

26point2 wrote:
The Safest Date in Aviation history? Feb 29. I can’t think of a single major airline accident that occurred on this day.


There have been at least three crashes on Feb 29 with significant loss of life.

On Feb 29, 1964, a British Eagle Britannia hit a mountain near Innsbruck, Austria; all 83 aboard were killed.

On Feb 29, 1968, an Aeroflot IL-18 crashed in Siberia; 83 of the 84 aboard were killed.

On Feb 29, 1996, a Faucett 737-200 crashed into the side of a hill on approach to Arequipa, Peru; all 123 aboard were killed.

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