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F-15s jets intercept BEY bound Mahan Air over Syria

Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:30 am

Seems like we have a new bully in the Middle East. Conflicting reports whether it was an Israeli or American plane.

Hopefully international response will be the same as those times countries like Iran harrassed passenger jets.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8554539/Iranian-airliner-goes-nose-dive-pair-fighter-jets-came-close-Syria.html

https://twitter.com/breakingavnews/status/1286422273201766406?s=21
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Re: F-15s jets harrass BEY bound Mahan Air over Syria.

Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:40 am

There's two sides to every story and we're only hearing one. USAF jets would not be harassing civilian airliners as a matter of policy.
 
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Re: F-15s jets harrass BEY bound Mahan Air over Syria.

Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:46 am

PhilMcCrackin wrote:
There's two sides to every story and we're only hearing one. USAF jets would not be harassing civilian airliners as a matter of policy.


There are definitely always 2 sides, especially with the going-ons in that area. Generally most incidents are caused by issues and/or mis-steps with both parties. Maybe the fighters didn't announce their intentions or came a bit too close. Maybe the pilot of the Mahan flight over-reacted or ignored airspace restriction warnings. There are so many factors that are unknown to jump to conclusions now.
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Re: F-15s jets harrass BEY bound Mahan Air over Syria.

Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:30 am

Fars Air Qeshm operates a B747-200F on-behalf of IRCG and is known to fly between Iran and Lebanon. It is possible that USAF or IAF would monitor such flights.
 
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Re: F-15s jets harrass BEY bound Mahan Air over Syria.

Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:31 am

Couldn't it be a Saudi F-15? The Saudis and Iranians don't have the best relations.
 
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Re: F-15s jets harrass BEY bound Mahan Air over Syria.

Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:19 am

Insertnamehere wrote:
Couldn't it be a Saudi F-15? The Saudis and Iranians don't have the best relations.


Almost zero chance it may be Saudi. Where would it have flown from and why would it be over Syria! They do have a lousy relationship but it would be suicidal for the Saudi air force to do it without a major retaliation from Iran. On the other hand the israeli or US air force would happily oblige!
 
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Re: F-15s jets harrass BEY bound Mahan Air over Syria.

Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:25 am

The actual story is that it flew near a US/Allied military base, and a US F15 was dispatched and flew close enough to visually identify it. Once the F15 visually-identified the target as a passenger plane, the F15 backed off. There was another F15 in the area that stayed back while the other one got close enough to take a look. That's it. Standard, professional intercept.

As usual, the bullies are playing the victim.
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Re: F-15s jets harrass BEY bound Mahan Air over Syria.

Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:28 am

wjcandee wrote:
The actual story is that it flew near a US/Allied military base, and an F15 flew close enough to visually identify it. When it did, it backed off. There was another F15 in the area that stayed back while the other one got close enough to take a look. That's it.

As usual, the bullies are playing the victim.


This story makes the most sense. Combined with a probably paranoid and/or over-reactive pilot at the controls, and you get the 'bloody images' that the daily mail showed.
The pilot did more harm to his/her passengers than the fighters did.
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Re: F-15s jets intercept BEY bound Mahan Air over Syria

Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:58 am

Please discuss the topic without trying to inject politics or flamebait. The topic may be locked if it continues.

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Re: F-15s jets harrass BEY bound Mahan Air over Syria.

Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:05 am

Curious, what exactly was the intent of the "evasive maneuvers" ? Unless the Mahan pilots claimed that a collision was imminent, why would airline pilots make any attempted evasion when spotting fighters ? Either you're being inspected/identified/evaluated (99.9% of fighter "intercepts"), or you're going to be signaled to land involuntarily (0.099% of the time) or you're about to get shot down (0.001% of the time).

Under any scenario, what the hell is the point of an Airbus trying to "evade" an F-15 ? What's the European phrase for when soccer players contact an opposing player and then fake a convulsion/seizure of agony on the ground ?
 
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Re: F-15s jets intercept BEY bound Mahan Air over Syria

Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:32 am

From the ( not Amazing quality ) of the video first posted,,,, To Me, it does NOT look like they got dangerously, or irresponsibly close to the Civilian airliner at all. Even for people who "never" fly or have Zero knowledge of aircraft or aviation or just dont care because to them its just a plane taking them where they need/want to go,, it just does not look dangerously close not even a little. I have been at cruising altitude, and seen actual aircraft themselves go past close enough to see their colors and livery. And that doesn't even include the constant criss crossing of all the con-trails at high altitude in busy Airspace going by you at what looks like a few feet away sometimes. I just do not think they got unnecessarily close to the Airliner at all, OR there was any..... wrong-doing, at least not on the part of the Fighter Pilots themselves.
 
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Re: F-15s jets intercept BEY bound Mahan Air over Syria

Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:59 am

Reports of injuries. Those must have been some pretty strong manuevers!
 
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Re: F-15s jets intercept BEY bound Mahan Air over Syria

Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:58 am

The OP has chosen not to heed my prior warning, so the thread is locked.

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