FLALEFTY wrote:DiamondFlyer wrote:FLALEFTY wrote:
Since Expressjet was part of UA's Aviate program, I imagine most of their captains were moving up to the Bigs at year 5 until COVID hit. There is just a $6 per flight hour difference between a 5th year EV E145 captain and a 5th year C5 captain. The difference between 5th year FO pay is just $3 per flight hour. C5 somewhat cheaper in pilot pay, but not significantly.
C5 is less than 1/3rd the size of EV in terms of pilots, so for C5 to take over EV's routes, they will need to go to the expense of hiring and training more flight crews. In terms of training, by shutting down EV, UA Express will lose EV's 3 exclusive E145, full-motion simulators and fully-trained instructors in the airline's SOP's, where C5 most likely will have to rely on outside vendors like Flight Safety. The same goes for fleet size, where EV has 3 times the number of E145, therefore, C5 will have to rapidly upscale their maintenance ops to accommodate the expected fleet growth. And C5 still has to set up a viable base in IAH, which will take time and money.
Having retired from the aerospace world I know how the competitive contract bidding game is played: "We bid to win and then figure out how the hell to do it for the budget and schedule we signed-up to after we win." C5 did this part well and United took the bait. The problems will come in a few years when (if UA doesn't decide to punt the E145 flying completely) the post-COVID recovery comes and C5 will be struggling to keep up.
And you'd be wrong. EV had a very, very senior pilot group. Had they shrunk to nothing more than a 20 airplane fleet, they would have had 10-12 year pilots on reserve, as FOs.
Nah, I'm not wrong. EV was in the Aviate Program and attracting pilots thanks to the flow to UA. I doubt they had that many 10+/year pilots on their roster who weren't flight ops managers, check airmen, sim instructors, etc.
And where did you come up with this "20-airplane fleet" when the combination of this "winner take all" competition combined EV's 95 E145's with C5's 35 E145's? The winner (C5) now has to grow nearly on an order of magnitute of 3 to do all the flying they now signed up for, but are now constrained by their rock-bottom bid. Good luck with that!
But I'll keep repeating this: UA and the other Big 3's want to get rid of 50-seat flying, just as they got rid of turboprop flying back 10 years ago. Their FF's don't like flying on them and the planes are getting old, with no modern tech replacements. This "hunger games" competition between EV & C5 was UA's big step in that direction. As for OO, they can simply park their CRJ2 fleet when UA gives the command since they hold most of the more lucurative E175 flying for UA.
Uh Xjets average captain had 18 years of service they were a very senior regional less senior than they were in the past but still very senior when compared to C5 average captain at year 4 plus throw in Xjets better contract and the fight was over before it even started, and the costs won't be a trouble for C5 over the next few years with a crap ton of low seniority employees being added but if you were to tell me that in 5 years C5 is also gone yeah that would not be shocking at all