YYZORD wrote:If SQ can make SIN-SEA work, how can they not make SIN-YVR work with AC being there? AC codeshares with SQ unlike UA so I think its very possible with a A359 since that can fly to YVR direct from SIN.
CrewBunk wrote:airbazar wrote:It wasn't affected at that time but the story repeated itself. 3x weekly wasn't attractive enough to premium, business fliers and for that reason SQ wanted daily service. When Canada wouldn't give them daily service, they withdrew.
You have to go a bit further than that to see history repeating itself.
In 1985, with a newly amended air service agreement, two new routes emerged. AC started YYZ-LHR-BOM-SIN. At the same time SQ started SIN-ICN-YVR.
AC’s new route was a success, SQ’s was not.
When AC requested expanded capacity, Singapore refused. The L-1011-500 became a 747-200 Combi, but passenger capacity was capped at L-1011 loads. Then cargo came under scrutiny and Singapore would not allow both the 747 Combi from the west and the DC-8F from the east, even though not disallowed in the agreement.
AC had fifth freedom rights on all sectors between all cities. They accurately realized that a daily frequency would be successful. It was allowed by both the UK and Indian Governments ..... but Singapore still refused as their SIN-ICN-YVR was not doing well. AC then stopped the BOM-SIN sector and increased capacity as far as BOM. Reading an editorial in the Toronto Globe and Mail, it was suggested that pricing by SQ made the route less viable than just stopping in BOM and returning to Canada.
So ..... move ahead a few years. SQ now wants increased service as well as access to Canada from both the east and the west. Is Canada’s and AC’s response any surprise?
The air service agreement between Canada and Singapore still exists, unchanged. It allows full open skies between the two countries. If wanted, SQ could fly daily from Singapore to Canada. But ..... they don’t. And why? Because the business is simply not there.
If their business model requires fifth freedom rights to “poach” other country’s traffic to ensure a success, then maybe there is a flaw somewhere.
Airlinerdude wrote:Extra competition, particularly that from a world class airline, is much needed competition in Canada.
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