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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:18 am

blooc350 wrote:
I highly doubt SQ would completely get rid of the A380. Unlike the other A380 carries, not talking about EK, SQ can afford to charge a premium on the Singapore to London and Zurich routes as these are financial hubs. Also, they invested too much money in the cabin retrofits to get rid of it, especially with their new flag ship Suites. Like someone said easier, I see SQ trimming the A380 fleet size. Not completely retiring them.


Financial services companies are also the best positioned organizations to operate ~100% remote / zero-travel indefinitely. Stringent business continuity and resilience plans are a requirement for every sizable financial institution. Also, since money is literally riding on their well-being, they're the last people who are going to play around with any risk of catching COVID on overseas trips.

Again, to the extent the SQ A380 fleet heavily caters to that traffic, it will be at a serious disadvantage in terms of a continued use case.
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Re: SQ flights to LAS, YYZ & ORD and JFK via BRU

Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:11 am

Airlinerdude wrote:
Extra competition, particularly that from a world class airline, is much needed competition in Canada.

What real competition would they bring though?

SIN is by geography, literally the worst place on the planet for N.American-originating traffic to connect to just about anywhere.
Even routes like KUL, CGK, and BKK are quicker (both by distance and by number of cnnx on each side) via HKG, TPE, etc.

Granted, that won't stop some folk from flying them. And SQ could of course compete on price point in order to encourage; but that's generally not the thing that "a world class airline" flying 15hr+ flights, wants to do.

For the Americas, if there's not a rather significant organic market for O&D to SIN, then SQ isn't all that interested.
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:29 am

If the fleet restructure were to happen, what does that mean for their routes? Does that mean there’s a chance that the ultra long-haul routes will be discontinued once again?
I’m personally guessing some of their old fifth-freedom routes will have to return, maybe SFO/LAX-ICN.
 
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:25 am

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The implication is: keeping an inflexibly large airframe, entering its second decade of ops (in a nation that depreciates aircraft on a similar time scale), which has absolutely zero secondary market appeal, and increasing parts/MRO costs due to global fleet decrease....... for three-ish routes that can easily be addressed by 787/777/A350s, might not be the optimum idea.


Living in a city with slot restrictions and used to seeing 3xSQ A380 +772 daily, it does seem amazing that it may not be around when the need for capacity returns. But it truly doesn't make sense to keep it just for the routes mentioned.
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:49 am

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The first 773, 9V-SYI, has been ferried to Goodyear/Arizona as we speak. Goodyear, thats a place most airliners never leave again. Surely the rest of the remaining regional 773s will follow soon. Thai is also in the process of outphasing the regional 777 and I wonder if CX will also retire this largely obsolete type shortterm.


As far as I know the 773A works well in CX's regional network. They took up another 5 773As from EK starting in 2017-18 though I'm not sure what they plan to do with this fleet now.
 
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:03 am

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Regarding engines, how much commonality is there between the RR Trent 900 (A380), 1000 (B788/B789/B78X), and XWB (A359), with all of those in the SQ/TR fleet?


Not a lot. There is some commonality in technology but very little by way of parts. The Trent XWB engine is made in Singapore.
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:22 am

paulduwon wrote:
If the fleet restructure were to happen, what does that mean for their routes? Does that mean there’s a chance that the ultra long-haul routes will be discontinued once again?

If so, it would be because of demand, not fleet.

SQ's 275tonne A359s can do SFO and LAX just fine. If they desire, most of their recent A359 deliveries and any future deliveries can be uprated to 280tonnes (same as the -ULRs) with a phone call + cheque to Airbus.
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:38 am

zeke wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
Regarding engines, how much commonality is there between the RR Trent 900 (A380), 1000 (B788/B789/B78X), and XWB (A359), with all of those in the SQ/TR fleet?


Not a lot. There is some commonality in technology but very little by way of parts. The Trent XWB engine is made in Singapore.


The 787 engines are made in Singapore (Trent 1000). The XWB engines are made in the UK.
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:49 am

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The 787 engines are made in Singapore (Trent 1000). The XWB engines are made in the UK.


As well as assembled in Germany:

Rolls-Royce begins production of Trent XWB engines at Dahlewitz site
 
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:42 am

LAX772LR wrote:
paulduwon wrote:
If the fleet restructure were to happen, what does that mean for their routes? Does that mean there’s a chance that the ultra long-haul routes will be discontinued once again?

If so, it would be because of demand, not fleet.

SQ's 275tonne A359s can do SFO and LAX just fine. If they desire, most of their recent A359 deliveries and any future deliveries can be uprated to 280tonnes (same as the -ULRs) with a phone call + cheque to Airbus.


They did SFO pre-COVID-19 alongside UA's B789s in the 253-seat configuration (the advertised range is with 325 passengers). LAX may be a bit problematic though.
 
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:25 pm

Kent350787 wrote:
Living in a city with slot restrictions and used to seeing 3xSQ A380 +772 daily, it does seem amazing that it may not be around when the need for capacity returns. But it truly doesn't make sense to keep it just for the routes mentioned.

SQ doesn't fly the A380 for mere prestige. We're not talking about MH or TG here. Every route they operated the A380 on, they did it because they needed it and honestly while I think this down turn might last a good 2 years I also see it all come back very quickly. In many of the markets that they operate the A380 on, additional frequencies to replace the A380's capacity is not really an ideal option. Every single one of those ~100 premium passengers wants to depart in the evening and arrive in the early morning. How feasible is it to obtain an additional early morning arrival slot at LHR? What about NRT? Or SYD?

aemoreira1981 wrote:
They did SFO pre-COVID-19 alongside UA's B789s in the 253-seat configuration (the advertised range is with 325 passengers). LAX may be a bit problematic though.

They're flying LAX-SIN with the "basic" A359, right now. Obviously they're probably not operating at very high loads
And on that note, the fact that SQ continues to fly this route should be an eye opener for all of those who questioned the viability of this route in good times.
 
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:48 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
They did SFO pre-COVID-19 alongside UA's B789s in the 253-seat configuration (the advertised range is with 325 passengers). LAX may be a bit problematic though.

SFO had both the standard A359 flying daily, and the -ULR flying 3xWk.

As has already been mentioned multiple times, a standard A359 can do SIN-LAX just fine, even at 5tonnes below their maximum optional MTOW.
They also substituted on the route prior to all -ULRs being delivered, and yes SQ did sell the extra seats.

Heck, they're doing it now: LAX nonstop SQ037/038 has continued since COVID began, but hasn't been a -ULR since March.



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They're flying LAX-SIN with the "basic" A359, right now.

:checkmark:

And funnily enough, that actually offers them an advantage:
Cargo is still going strong, and SQ's freighter fleet is stretched to the max worldwide, trying to make up for the decline in belly capacity... so having the standard A359 being the only nonstop connection to SIN from this side of the world, offers expanded cargo capacity via use of the forward cargo bay; whereas that's not an option on the -ULRs, since that hold is sealed.


airbazar wrote:
And on that note, the fact that SQ continues to fly this route should be an eye opener for all of those who questioned the viability of this route in good times.

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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:24 am

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SQ doesn't fly the A380 for mere prestige. We're not talking about MH or TG here. Every route they operated the A380 on, they did it because they needed it and honestly while I think this down turn might last a good 2 years I also see it all come back very quickly. In many of the markets that they operate the A380 on, additional frequencies to replace the A380's capacity is not really an ideal option. Every single one of those ~100 premium passengers wants to depart in the evening and arrive in the early morning. How feasible is it to obtain an additional early morning arrival slot at LHR? What about NRT? Or SYD?


I suppose I was making the same point, but perhaps more obliquely. There are still ports that the A380 was pitched for where, with pre-COVID demand, it is entirely appropriate. SYD has plenty of overall capacity, but slot restrictions morning and evening. Until the ME3, SIN, and to a lesser extent HKG, were SYD's hubs for travel to Europe and to Asia more broadly. The SQ midday departure was the only non-A380 departure, I assume due to low demand. Apart from SQ, SYD was seeing up to 10 other W/NW A380 departures daily at the beginning of this year, plus 3 others to the US, with good load factors on all.

I agree that 77X may not be the ideal option, but it may become the only option if demand takes several years to pick up again.
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:40 am

Kent350787 wrote:
airbazar wrote:
SQ doesn't fly the A380 for mere prestige. We're not talking about MH or TG here. Every route they operated the A380 on, they did it because they needed it and honestly while I think this down turn might last a good 2 years I also see it all come back very quickly. In many of the markets that they operate the A380 on, additional frequencies to replace the A380's capacity is not really an ideal option. Every single one of those ~100 premium passengers wants to depart in the evening and arrive in the early morning. How feasible is it to obtain an additional early morning arrival slot at LHR? What about NRT? Or SYD?


I suppose I was making the same point, but perhaps more obliquely. There are still ports that the A380 was pitched for where, with pre-COVID demand, it is entirely appropriate. SYD has plenty of overall capacity, but slot restrictions morning and evening. Until the ME3, SIN, and to a lesser extent HKG, were SYD's hubs for travel to Europe and to Asia more broadly. The SQ midday departure was the only non-A380 departure, I assume due to low demand. Apart from SQ, SYD was seeing up to 10 other W/NW A380 departures daily at the beginning of this year, plus 3 others to the US, with good load factors on all.

I agree that 77X may not be the ideal option, but it may become the only option if demand takes several years to pick up again.


SQ had 5 daily SYD services, only 2 have ever been A380s, those are the 2 overnight services ex SIN and the midday and afternoon service ex SYD, the early morning ex SYD was an A380 initially several years ago. They were running 3 daylight 77W services ex SIN.

SQ are one of the few where the A380 makes sense, would they have ordered more if not for EK? There are routes for SQ where the A380 made sense, will it still post Covid? And what will be their long term minimum fleet size for the A380? 5 are 2-3 years old and 3 from the second batch have been refitted. It will be interesting to see if they invest in keeping these 8 at the least.
 
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:31 am

LAX772LR wrote:
airbazar wrote:
They're flying LAX-SIN with the "basic" A359, right now.

:checkmark:

And funnily enough, that actually offers them an advantage:
Cargo is still going strong, and SQ's freighter fleet is stretched to the max worldwide, trying to make up for the decline in belly capacity... so having the standard A359 being the only nonstop connection to SIN from this side of the world, offers expanded cargo capacity via use of the forward cargo bay; whereas that's not an option on the -ULRs, since that hold is sealed.


airbazar wrote:
And on that note, the fact that SQ continues to fly this route should be an eye opener for all of those who questioned the viability of this route in good times.

:checkmark: :checkmark: :checkmark:


They are flying SIN-LAX for passengers as a "repatriation route". It is the only way for Singaporeans to come home from the US (maybe the alternative is Qatar, but SQ is the safe option). Passenger loads are very light. The son of my colleague took LAX-SIN coming originally from Houston and there were only 22 pax on the flight. That said, the A359 must be doing well with cargo. In the beginning, there were a few 77W routes to LHR/ZRH/NRT. Now long distance (Europe, US, South Africa, India) is A359 while Australia/Asia-Pacific is mix of A359 with 787-10. You hardly see any SQ 77W in the air. While everyone assumes that the 77W is the cargo king, it seems that for SQ the increased cargo capabilities of the 77W do not offset the extra costs.
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:39 pm

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jfk777 wrote:
No I am not kidding but you make the silly assumption I meant "put an A380 in the air TODAY" instead of "WHEN IT MAKES SENSE".

But what you continue to seemingly not understand, is the increasing likelihood that "when it makes sense" might be never.

Hence so many airlines, including SQ, considering getting rid of A380s permanently.


I was of the opinion that the A380 never made sense, especially considering the bas model was really a shrink of their goal of an A380-900 that would have almost twice the capacity of the 747-400 and would be useful on a handful of routes where an airline would schedule two 747-400's within an hour of each other. The A380 was built due to Airbus management's 747 envy in the 80's. By the time Airbus got their 747 killer into commercial service, the 747 was already on it's way out. Large twins were already making the 747 nonviable even with one last makeover. Now the latest generation of large twin engined wide bodies have a CASM lower than the A380 and have more belly cargo capacity.
 
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:57 pm

I have never understood the fascination of a.netters with "belly" cargo. If it's such a money maker, why do they even bother flying people?
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:45 pm

Could the SQ really reitire a few year old A380s?

That would be very supprising. SQ should also merge with Skoot.
 
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:00 pm

brilondon wrote:
I have never understood the fascination of a.netters with "belly" cargo. If it's such a money maker, why do they even bother flying people?

What a strange thing to say. If you look at other threads, you'll read that cargo rates have gone up significantly since CV-19 wiped out the majority of passenger services that would normally take cargo in the belly cargo hold. To the point passenger wide-bodies can be filled with cargo and still make money without any passengers in the cabin. It's become a money-maker during this crisis and subsequent passenger downturn.
 
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:00 pm

brilondon wrote:
I have never understood the fascination of a.netters with "belly" cargo. If it's such a money maker, why do they even bother flying people?

Belly cargo is what is helping some airlines get by in these times. Even in good times, belly cargo can sometimes cover the cost of the flight itself, meaning any pax onboard simply adds onto the profits.
 
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:08 pm

AngMoh wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
airbazar wrote:
They're flying LAX-SIN with the "basic" A359, right now.

:checkmark:

And funnily enough, that actually offers them an advantage:
Cargo is still going strong, and SQ's freighter fleet is stretched to the max worldwide, trying to make up for the decline in belly capacity... so having the standard A359 being the only nonstop connection to SIN from this side of the world, offers expanded cargo capacity via use of the forward cargo bay; whereas that's not an option on the -ULRs, since that hold is sealed.


airbazar wrote:
And on that note, the fact that SQ continues to fly this route should be an eye opener for all of those who questioned the viability of this route in good times.

:checkmark: :checkmark: :checkmark:


They are flying SIN-LAX for passengers as a "repatriation route". It is the only way for Singaporeans to come home from the US (maybe the alternative is Qatar, but SQ is the safe option). Passenger loads are very light. The son of my colleague took LAX-SIN coming originally from Houston and there were only 22 pax on the flight. That said, the A359 must be doing well with cargo. In the beginning, there were a few 77W routes to LHR/ZRH/NRT. Now long distance (Europe, US, South Africa, India) is A359 while Australia/Asia-Pacific is mix of A359 with 787-10. You hardly see any SQ 77W in the air. While everyone assumes that the 77W is the cargo king, it seems that for SQ the increased cargo capabilities of the 77W do not offset the extra costs.

Its probably more of a case where the 77W fleet is older and much of the capital cost has been depreciated for the fleet, they can afford to keep them inactive. The A350 fleet on the other hand, while not as capable in terms of cargo capacity, has to be paid off, the costs of not flying an A350 is higher than that of a 77W. The 787-10 fleet is the winner here, being the most utilized fleet in the SQ network during these times, in part due to its superior cargo capacity on the short and mid range routes.
 
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:46 pm

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I have never understood the fascination of a.netters with "belly" cargo. If it's such a money maker, why do they even bother flying people?


There is always demand for cargo to go from one place to another by air. A passenger airline has already accrued a cost to transport people from one place to another. Why not fill the space that is already available in the cargo hold of your passenger aircraft with the cargo that needs to go by air? The cost of the flight (that was always going to operate with passengers anyway) will only increase a little bit but the increase in revenue could be greater.

It is about increasing revenue and spreading costs.

In painfully simple terms:

The cost to operate a particular flight on a passenger aircraft might be "10". The revenue generated from passenger ticket sales may only be "9". A loss of "1" would be the result.

Revenue from securing contracts to fill the cargo hold of the same aircraft with freight may be worth an additional "3". Total revenue of the flight is now "12" against a slightly higher cost of say "10.5" (0.5 higher because of specific cargo handling costs). This would result in a profit of "1.5" just because of the "belly cargo".
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:15 pm

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brilondon wrote:
I have never understood the fascination of a.netters with "belly" cargo. If it's such a money maker, why do they even bother flying people?

Belly cargo is what is helping some airlines get by in these times. Even in good times, belly cargo can sometimes cover the cost of the flight itself, meaning any pax onboard simply adds onto the profits.

Pre-COVID belly contracts were largely priced on a marginal cost basis, such that they lose money for the airline when passenger LF's are low. Many of these contracts are long-term, repetitive, with the customer required to pay even if nothing to ship. But on the other side of the equation, the airline incurs penalties if it doesn't / can't offer space (double books, technical, route cancelled).

In the current COVID World, airlines have lucrative spot freight opportunities, for belly and cabin, to offset (partly / fully) absent passengers.

If spot rates and / or demand falls (both linked), airlines with those pre-existing long-term contracts will face a dilemma - find a substitute airline (not necessarily direct) at their expense to meet the contract, fly at a loss / bigger loss, or default.
 
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:59 pm

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I have never understood the fascination of a.netters with "belly" cargo. If it's such a money maker, why do they even bother flying people?

Because it is not as profitable as flying people around, but it is enough ( 9% of all airline revenues pre-COVID according to https://thepointsguy.com/news/how-airli ... rom-cargo/ ) to make some unprofitable flights become profitable. The article says on one record flight the cargo was 40% of revenue. They can make some big scores on critically needed stuff (in this case car parts), time sensitive stuff (pharma) etc. And of course day to day stuff (e-commerce) is on the rise.
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:58 pm

TC957 wrote:
brilondon wrote:
I have never understood the fascination of a.netters with "belly" cargo. If it's such a money maker, why do they even bother flying people?

What a strange thing to say. If you look at other threads, you'll read that cargo rates have gone up significantly since CV-19 wiped out the majority of passenger services that would normally take cargo in the belly cargo hold. To the point passenger wide-bodies can be filled with cargo and still make money without any passengers in the cabin. It's become a money-maker during this crisis and subsequent passenger downturn.



Cargo prices going up will only be applicable until more capacity comes online. Supply and demand, at the moment demand is high (or maybe just the same as before Covid-19), but the supply side has disappeared.
 
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:45 am

brilondon wrote:
MoKa777 wrote:
brilondon wrote:
I have never understood the fascination of a.netters with "belly" cargo. If it's such a money maker, why do they even bother flying people?


There is always demand for cargo to go from one place to another by air. A passenger airline has already accrued a cost to transport people from one place to another. Why not fill the space that is already available in the cargo hold of your passenger aircraft with the cargo that needs to go by air? The cost of the flight (that was always going to operate with passengers anyway) will only increase a little bit but the increase in revenue could be greater.

It is about increasing revenue and spreading costs.

In painfully simple terms:

The cost to operate a particular flight on a passenger aircraft might be "10". The revenue generated from passenger ticket sales may only be "9". A loss of "1" would be the result.

Revenue from securing contracts to fill the cargo hold of the same aircraft with freight may be worth an additional "3". Total revenue of the flight is now "12" against a slightly higher cost of say "10.5" (0.5 higher because of specific cargo handling costs). This would result in a profit of "1.5" just because of the "belly cargo".


Sorry, I didn't mean to put you in pain. My bad.


Haha, no worries. I should apologise, "painfully" was not the best choice of word and, in hindsight, comes across as patronising.

Anyway, I hope you better understand now why belly cargo is something many look at favourably.
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Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:47 pm

brilondon wrote:
I have never understood the fascination of a.netters with "belly" cargo. If it's such a money maker, why do they even bother flying people?


Because the tube has to be pressurized it is round, or a double radius braced with the floor (more complicated solutions too). This means extra space above and below the passenger area.

In a world economy with huge amounts of trade some of it is so valuable that it pays to fly it

Costs and prices are so close that every little bit of income counts.

There are planes just flying cargo - everywhere.

Aviation industry is intensely competitive at every level and in about every niche.
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Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:43 pm

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Could the SQ really reitire a few year old A380s?

That would be very supprising. SQ should also merge with Skoot.

Who? :confused:
 
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:29 pm

Does SQ also sell cargo space to couriers like fedex, dhl etc? Once I was at the gate in HKG and noticed cargo pallets with a DHL logo was being loaded onto the plane. Does SQ cargo buy cargo space on other airline?
 
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Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:01 pm

SQ has extended the current schedule to Dec 1 now. Any idea if SQ will plan on still adding flights before Dec 1 because in the past they gave only been updating it one month prior and not giving schedule that much in advance. I would suspect SFO would be added or increase LAX to daily or 5weekly.

I could see LHR going to at least double daily. And CDG + FRA at daily.

But Australia being closed makes it hard for SQ to keep its network

It seems like SQ is not as ambitious as QR or EK in resuming flights
 
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Wed Aug 12, 2020 7:24 pm

I really hope SQ opens SFO again as there's lots of connections to India/Indonesia. CX is killing it with their A350's on SFO, LAX, JFK, YVR & YYZ.
 
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Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:27 pm

x1234 wrote:
I really hope SQ opens SFO again as there's lots of connections to India/Indonesia. CX is killing it with their A350's on SFO, LAX, JFK, YVR & YYZ.


I think they kept LAX partly for cargo because that’s where SIA Cargo has a base. Pre covid they were larger in SFO than LAX. Perhaps LAX is more well connected than SFO for customers across Canada and USA to connect to

UA probably will be glad it will be the sole player on the SFO-SIN route this fall

What’s interesting is for SFO if it is the non stop or the via HKG route that goes up first
 
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Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:03 am

andrew1996 wrote:
x1234 wrote:
I really hope SQ opens SFO again as there's lots of connections to India/Indonesia. CX is killing it with their A350's on SFO, LAX, JFK, YVR & YYZ.


I think they kept LAX partly for cargo because that’s where SIA Cargo has a base. Pre covid they were larger in SFO than LAX. Perhaps LAX is more well connected than SFO for customers across Canada and USA to connect to

UA probably will be glad it will be the sole player on the SFO-SIN route this fall

What’s interesting is for SFO if it is the non stop or the via HKG route that goes up first


SQ (and UA) need to keen on SFO before VN and DL come and grab everything :roll:

We are having a lack of nonstop flight from the ASEAN to the US. Besides SQ's premium flights and PR's service, we don't have many more. TG's American Dream was suspended by the CAT II, Garuda and VN seems ambitious but did nothing.
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:01 am

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Pre covid they were larger in SFO than LAX.

How?

LAX 21x weekly (14xW nonstop, daily 1stop via NRT)
SFO 17x weekly (10xW nonstop, daily 1stop via HKG)
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Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:15 am

LAX772LR wrote:
andrew1996 wrote:
Pre covid they were larger in SFO than LAX.

How?

LAX 21x weekly (14xW nonstop, daily 1stop via NRT)
SFO 17x weekly (10xW nonstop, daily 1stop via HKG)


SQ36/35 (LAX non-stop) only operated 3x weekly if I'm not mistaken?
 
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Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:48 am

LAX772LR wrote:
andrew1996 wrote:
Pre covid they were larger in SFO than LAX.

How?

LAX 21x weekly (14xW nonstop, daily 1stop via NRT)
SFO 17x weekly (10xW nonstop, daily 1stop via HKG)


LAX was also 10x weekly nonstop, not 14x. It was also operated solely by the A350-900ULR, where some of the SFO non-stops were operated by the regular long-haul A350. So SFO technically had more seats.
 
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:37 am

Well while they discuss the rest of the fleet, first rebranded Silk Air 737NG is out of the paint shop.

SQ is back in the narrowbody game.

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https://twitter.com/indoflyer/status/13 ... 40773?s=20
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:09 am

LAXintl wrote:
Well while they discuss the rest of the fleet, first rebranded Silk Air 737NG is out of the paint shop.

SQ is back in the narrowbody game.

Image

https://twitter.com/indoflyer/status/13 ... 40773?s=20

Well that just feels weird. Looks great, though. I'm curious to see how they reconfigure the cabins up to SQ standards.
 
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Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:26 am

panam330 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Well while they discuss the rest of the fleet, first rebranded Silk Air 737NG is out of the paint shop.

SQ is back in the narrowbody game.

Image

https://twitter.com/indoflyer/status/13 ... 40773?s=20

Well that just feels weird. Looks great, though. I'm curious to see how they reconfigure the cabins up to SQ standards.


Me too. Those Silk Air 737-800 cabins are tired and worn out.
 
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Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:37 am

Quite a throwback!

 
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:58 am

VSMUT wrote:
panam330 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Well while they discuss the rest of the fleet, first rebranded Silk Air 737NG is out of the paint shop.

SQ is back in the narrowbody game.

Image

https://twitter.com/indoflyer/status/13 ... 40773?s=20

Well that just feels weird. Looks great, though. I'm curious to see how they reconfigure the cabins up to SQ standards.


Me too. Those Silk Air 737-800 cabins are tired and worn out.

Apparently it was meant to be refitted with nose-to-tail AVOD and lie-flat similar to what FlyDubai has

Or at least for the MAX - not sure how the NG will be reconfigured

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Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:36 am

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Quite a throwback!



It's funny how SQ's livery is so iconic and long lasting, but that they have made very subtle changes over the years without me even realizing it. Even the tail has been slightly updated!

Still one of the best liveries out there.
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Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:52 am

PANAMsterdam wrote:
MrHMSH wrote:
Quite a throwback!



It's funny how SQ's livery is so iconic and long lasting, but that they have made very subtle changes over the years without me even realizing it. Even the tail has been slightly updated!

Still one of the best liveries out there.


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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:59 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Well while they discuss the rest of the fleet, first rebranded Silk Air 737NG is out of the paint shop.

SQ is back in the narrowbody game.

Image

https://twitter.com/indoflyer/status/13 ... 40773?s=20


Given the MAX debacle, it is interesting and telling that SQ are still moving ahead with incorporating the B737 (NG for now at least, but still...) into THEIR fleet, in THEIR colours. I know it is a plan that was made before the tragic MAX crashes but it does indicate some faith in the B737 and optimism regarding passenger perception. SQ can be quite dramatic when it comes to image and perception.
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:16 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Well while they discuss the rest of the fleet, first rebranded Silk Air 737NG is out of the paint shop.

SQ is back in the narrowbody game.

Image

https://twitter.com/indoflyer/status/13 ... 40773?s=20


Looks just like it’s sister. https://www.airliners.net/photo/Singapo ... AX/5821649
 
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:19 pm

MoKa777 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Well while they discuss the rest of the fleet, first rebranded Silk Air 737NG is out of the paint shop.

SQ is back in the narrowbody game.

Image

https://twitter.com/indoflyer/status/13 ... 40773?s=20


Given the MAX debacle, it is interesting and telling that SQ are still moving ahead with incorporating the B737 (NG for now at least, but still...) into THEIR fleet, in THEIR colours. I know it is a plan that was made before the tragic MAX crashes but it does indicate some faith in the B737 and optimism regarding passenger perception. SQ can be quite dramatic when it comes to image and perception.


It's probably more that they don't have very many other options, given the long queues (and very expensive) A320 slots, the fact that they invested a load of money into developing and procuring cabin products for the 737 and the fact that COVID hit and now there is an urgent need at just about every airline to reduce their expenditure as much as possible.

And also, there's a question of what they would then do with the MAXs that they already have in their fleet (I think they technically have 14 now even though 8 of them have not been delivered)?
 
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:39 pm

MrHMSH wrote:
PANAMsterdam wrote:
MrHMSH wrote:
Quite a throwback!



It's funny how SQ's livery is so iconic and long lasting, but that they have made very subtle changes over the years without me even realizing it. Even the tail has been slightly updated!

Still one of the best liveries out there.


If it ain't broke, don't fix it!


:cloudnine: Beautiful! Although i gotta say, the 747's white nose would not have looked worse with that cheat line going a bit further on it. But other than that: classic paint job with a nice modern update.
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Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:05 pm

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Dated December 2019...

More exciting than the Silk Air renders:

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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:24 pm

The SQ livery doesn’t seem to work well on smallerplanes. I think it’s because the livery has too many designs to fit on a narrow body without compressing it all too much. I think it’s the livery banner around the windows that doesn’t work too well when the plane is short. It will be curious to see how People like SQ’s 737s. It’s quite a change to see a small and low plane in the SQ livery. Will Silk Air cabin crew be exclusive to the 737 or are current SQ crew member also going
To work on the 737
 
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SQ Boeing 737-800

Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:36 pm

Did anyone see the SQ Boeing 738-800 emerge ??

https://mobile.twitter.com/aviatren/sta ... nes-737%2F

Looks gorgeous!
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