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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:51 am

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Last I checked JQ have 11 x B788’s, 3 of which they were keen to offload pre-COVID19.

I’m sure in the current environment QF wouldn’t mind offloading these birds to VA when the time comes.

Just a thought.


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I would have thought that QF could of used the 788 to replace A330 flying into Asia.



I thought that as well, maybe to replace some of the early A332s which are 18 years old now, not that old but maybe a role for the 788s. If configured right they can do some US flying as well.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:21 am

jrfspa320 wrote:
EK413 wrote:
Last I checked JQ have 11 x B788’s, 3 of which they were keen to offload pre-COVID19.

I’m sure in the current environment QF wouldn’t mind offloading these birds to VA when the time comes.

Just a thought.

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788s are not very attractive, poorer economics compared to the 789, and less range - which i think the 788 would struggle on LAX-MEL


Valid point, I’m just curious if QF are still keen to offload 3 or perhaps was a tactic used during the pilots bargaining agreement perhaps.

kriskim wrote:
EK413 wrote:
Last I checked JQ have 11 x B788’s, 3 of which they were keen to offload pre-COVID19.

I’m sure in the current environment QF wouldn’t mind offloading these birds to VA when the time comes.

Just a thought.


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I would have thought that QF could of used the 788 to replace A330 flying into Asia.


Agreed

ZK-NBT wrote:
kriskim wrote:
EK413 wrote:
Last I checked JQ have 11 x B788’s, 3 of which they were keen to offload pre-COVID19.

I’m sure in the current environment QF wouldn’t mind offloading these birds to VA when the time comes.

Just a thought.


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I would have thought that QF could of used the 788 to replace A330 flying into Asia.



I thought that as well, maybe to replace some of the early A332s which are 18 years old now, not that old but maybe a role for the 788s. If configured right they can do some US flying as well.


The 4 x A332’s -EBA,B,C,D would most definitely be the 1st to go with the lighter floor panels.


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:21 am

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Once international flights are back then VA can fly to HND. Why would QF ask for the slot when it's VA's and they're going to fly there?


VA don't have an aircraft to fly there, and likely won't for several years. Also while Scurrah said LAX and HND yesterday, I feel that was just naming their existing routes rather than reflecting any real strategic objective. The Bain led Virgin will be very cautious to conserve capital, and only expand internationally in a way that maximises returns. When the time comes I'm pretty confident that LAX will come first, given that it was apparently profitable in the past and they could presumably re-enliven the DL JBA to add depth and breadth in the US market. Tokyo is an unknown quantity, and they will likely be more cautious in their approach there. Virgin cannot hold the slots forever without using, if Qantas (or any other Australian airline) is ready and willing to use them then IASC will reallocate them as using the slots is in the consumer interest.

VA won't have the aircraft once the widebodies go, but they've said they're looking at the 787, which won't take several years to acquire, especially from a leasing company or other airline. LAX may come first, but as you've said, VA can't hold the slots forever, so it would be in their best interest to retain it and fly then when international travel resumes.


I meant several years from now, not from when they decide to acquire them. Either way I would be shocked to see VA flying longhaul before 2023 at the earliest.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:16 pm

With no foreseeable flying in the near future, QF announced that they're storing x6 787's to Victorville and 3 to LAX, keeping only 2 in Australia, I was curious where all the JQ 787's are at the moment?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:23 pm

jrfspa320 wrote:
EK413 wrote:
Last I checked JQ have 11 x B788’s, 3 of which they were keen to offload pre-COVID19.

I’m sure in the current environment QF wouldn’t mind offloading these birds to VA when the time comes.

Just a thought.


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788s are not very attractive, poorer economics compared to the 789, and less range - which i think the 788 would struggle on LAX-MEL


Be careful not to write-off the B788 wholesale. There are mission profiles were it has an advantage over the B789, limited in scale indeed, but nontheless it can be significant for some operators. Admittedly, those profiles may not fall into JQ's operations at present (or pre-COVID19).

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Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:07 pm

wil381 wrote:
With no foreseeable flying in the near future, QF announced that they're storing x6 787's to Victorville and 3 to LAX, keeping only 2 in Australia, I was curious where all the JQ 787's are at the moment?

Currently parked at AVV collecting dust.


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:10 pm

Personally wouldn't be surprised if leisure travel to safer Covid countries (eg. Malaysia, Korea, Taiwan, China)

Recommences before much business travel. Many businesses will be struggling financially, cautious about employees catching Covid on their watch, and will have decided that video conferencing works
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:05 am

Video conferencing will do for now. Due to the video conferencing boom I know Telstra Global (the international arm which owns subsea fibre from Australia to Asia, US and NZ) has been investing heavily in low latency routes from Sydney into Tokyo, Hong Kong, Singapore, San Jose CA and Los Angeles.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:21 am

EK413 wrote:
wil381 wrote:
With no foreseeable flying in the near future, QF announced that they're storing x6 787's to Victorville and 3 to LAX, keeping only 2 in Australia, I was curious where all the JQ 787's are at the moment?

Currently parked at AVV collecting dust.


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Given the damp winter time and location close to sea, I imagine AVV is probably one of the worst possible locations for long-term storage; surely the 787s and A330s there can't stay much longer. There has been a lot of talk about the JQ 788s replacing the QF Cityflyer A332s (ironically these are the same A332s that flew for JQ) but I think QF will probably go for maximum flexibility in the next 12 months by having a solely A330 based int'l fleet.

Eventually the 788s may go to mainline domestic but that will also be accompanied by the decision whether they add an international standard J class or leave the recliners. Given VA is abandoning "The Business" for the time being, it is possible that the era of the "over-the-top" domestic J class is fast coming to an end.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:43 am

Starting next month "Qantas to send 'most' of its Boeing 787s to the desert for storage", QF didn't reveal a number but out of a fleet of 11, "most" would be at least the six suggested here, maybe the three for LAX are also going to Victorville.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... or-storage
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:45 am

Australian aviation site Airline Ratings is now offering a 'Covid Rating' system for airlines.

"For a COVID-19 compliance star, airlines must pass four of six criteria: website information on COVID19 procedures; face masks for passengers; personal protection equipment for the crew; modified meal service; deep clean of aircraft and social distancing onboarding."

The site is also moving to a subscription model of $15 per year for the ratings content.

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/air ... -airlines/
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:49 am

I suppose if QF have said at a group level 787's are going to USa that would include the JQ ones.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Fri Aug 07, 2020 1:26 am

anstar wrote:
I suppose if QF have said at a group level 787's are going to USa that would include the JQ ones.


The QF the exec group yesterday only mentioned the QF 787's going to the US for storage with some staying here but didn't say where in Australia they would be stored. I didn't hear the JQ 787 fleet mentioned at all. But storing them at AVV long term is out of the question so they must be planning something. Same goes for the A330's and 737's there also.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Fri Aug 07, 2020 1:56 am

CraigAnderson wrote:
Australian aviation site Airline Ratings is now offering a 'Covid Rating' system for airlines.

"For a COVID-19 compliance star, airlines must pass four of six criteria: website information on COVID19 procedures; face masks for passengers; personal protection equipment for the crew; modified meal service; deep clean of aircraft and social distancing onboarding."

The site is also moving to a subscription model of $15 per year for the ratings content.

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/air ... -airlines/

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:16 am

All flights from Melbourne and regional Victoria are now treated as "International Arrivals", will arrive at the International Terminal and will be listed under "International" on the Sydney Airport website per recent NSW/VIC border changes.

https://twitter.com/SydneyAirport/statu ... 2826281984
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:00 am

Looks like QF have reduced direct flights between BNE and DRW. I’m scheduled to fly up there next Wed (12/08) and was supposed to return the following Wed (19th). When notified by QF what my options were, the next direct flight was Fri 21st.

So the slight detour home is DRW-ADL-BNE. Slightly annoying but better than having to pay an extra two days accommodation.

Never been to ADL before. Anything interesting at the airport? If not, will try to get into the Qantas Club and mooch some food.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:08 am

CraigAnderson wrote:
Australian aviation site Airline Ratings is now offering a 'Covid Rating' system for airlines.

"For a COVID-19 compliance star, airlines must pass four of six criteria: website information on COVID19 procedures; face masks for passengers; personal protection equipment for the crew; modified meal service; deep clean of aircraft and social distancing onboarding."

The site is also moving to a subscription model of $15 per year for the ratings content.

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/air ... -airlines/


Just thinking about this, it means that Qantas and Virgin are going to fare pretty badly, as the crew don't wear PPE and passengers are not required to wear facemasks, and there is no social distancing on board. Actually not many airlines would qualify.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:27 am

SCFlyer wrote:
All flights from Melbourne and regional Victoria are now treated as "International Arrivals", will arrive at the International Terminal and will be listed under "International" on the Sydney Airport website per recent NSW/VIC border changes.

https://twitter.com/SydneyAirport/statu ... 2826281984


That has made yesterday's ABC parody regarding Victoria no longer being part of Australia all the more surreal ....but still funny :)

https://www.facebook.com/ABCTV/videos/v ... =2&theater
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:50 am

The National Cabinet has extended restrictions on international arrivals at MEL “until at least October 24”.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:59 am

CraigAnderson wrote:
The National Cabinet has extended restrictions on international arrivals at MEL “until at least October 24”.


Correct with the following restrictions across all International ports:

MEL - Nil until 24/10/20
SYD - capped at 350 passenger arrivals per day
PER - capped at 525 passenger arrivals per week
BNE - capped at 500 passenger arrivals per week
ADL - capped at 500 passenger arrivals per week
CBR/DRW - passenger limits on a case by case basis discussed with each jurisdiction
HBA - No International flights!

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:35 pm

CraigAnderson wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
Australian aviation site Airline Ratings is now offering a 'Covid Rating' system for airlines.

"For a COVID-19 compliance star, airlines must pass four of six criteria: website information on COVID19 procedures; face masks for passengers; personal protection equipment for the crew; modified meal service; deep clean of aircraft and social distancing onboarding."

The site is also moving to a subscription model of $15 per year for the ratings content.

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/air ... -airlines/


Just thinking about this, it means that Qantas and Virgin are going to fare pretty badly, as the crew don't wear PPE and passengers are not required to wear facemasks, and there is no social distancing on board. Actually not many airlines would qualify.


That’s not correct. Crew do wear masks and gloves.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:27 am

I'm still really surprised at the number of aircraft flying into Australia. I know it is predominantly freight but the lack of QF and to a lesser degree VA flights operating any of these freight activities is interesting. I know there are some but not anywhere near the numbers coming out of EK/CX/SQ and the Chinese carriers. Even NZ has been doing a bit.

Is it something on reflection that QF need to look at and chase more aggressively? Could be related to their small international footprint comparatively? They really appear single point sensitive around the pax market with a tiny cargo presence
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:48 am

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I'm still really surprised at the number of aircraft flying into Australia. I know it is predominantly freight but the lack of QF and to a lesser degree VA flights operating any of these freight activities is interesting. I know there are some but not anywhere near the numbers coming out of EK/CX/SQ and the Chinese carriers. Even NZ has been doing a bit.

Is it something on reflection that QF need to look at and chase more aggressively? Could be related to their small international footprint comparatively? They really appear single point sensitive around the pax market with a tiny cargo presence


What would make you think that QF isn't buying space on other airlines flights when required ? Besides that they are running the 747 freighters as usual and the 767 freighter is working over time heading up to HKG several times a week. They are operating some flights to Asia still, but the daily 330 to PVG seems to have been axed since the peak freight demand a couple of months ago.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:56 am

Velocity7 wrote:
I'm still really surprised at the number of aircraft flying into Australia. I know it is predominantly freight but the lack of QF and to a lesser degree VA flights operating any of these freight activities is interesting. I know there are some but not anywhere near the numbers coming out of EK/CX/SQ and the Chinese carriers. Even NZ has been doing a bit.

Is it something on reflection that QF need to look at and chase more aggressively? Could be related to their small international footprint comparatively? They really appear single point sensitive around the pax market with a tiny cargo presence


QF seem to think sending there 789s off to storage makes more sense. Yet NZ is operating there 789s up 6x daily into Australia with most being only freight.

You would think QF would be looking at doing the same on the Tasman.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:00 am

zkncj wrote:
Velocity7 wrote:
I'm still really surprised at the number of aircraft flying into Australia. I know it is predominantly freight but the lack of QF and to a lesser degree VA flights operating any of these freight activities is interesting. I know there are some but not anywhere near the numbers coming out of EK/CX/SQ and the Chinese carriers. Even NZ has been doing a bit.

Is it something on reflection that QF need to look at and chase more aggressively? Could be related to their small international footprint comparatively? They really appear single point sensitive around the pax market with a tiny cargo presence


QF seem to think sending there [sic] 789s off to storage makes more sense. Yet NZ is operating there [sic] 789s up 6x daily into Australia with most being only freight.

You would think QF would be looking at doing the same on the Tasman.


I could be wrong, but my understanding was that the NZ government are underwriting many, if not all, of the flights due to the importance of freight to our economy. If QF was getting the same support from their government, they may have been able to keep some more of their aircraft in service.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:24 am

zkncj wrote:
QF seem to think sending there 789s off to storage makes more sense. Yet NZ is operating there 789s up 6x daily into Australia with most being only freight.

You would think QF would be looking at doing the same on the Tasman.


QF has a dedicated freighter fleet, NZ doesn't.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:46 am

LTEN11 wrote:
What would make you think that QF isn't buying space on other airlines flights when required ? Besides that they are running the 747 freighters as usual and the 767 freighter is working over time heading up to HKG several times a week. They are operating some flights to Asia still, but the daily 330 to PVG seems to have been axed since the peak freight demand a couple of months ago.


I don't but by comparison, not on their metal anywhere near as frequently as their competitors. There is a lot of expensive QF assets on the ground. You'd think they'd be plying cargo routes far more often is they had the cargo ops/focus to support it?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:53 am

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I don't but by comparison, not on their metal anywhere near as frequently as their competitors. There is a lot of expensive QF assets on the ground. You'd think they'd be plying cargo routes far more often is they had the cargo ops/focus to support it?


Joyce and co have shown that they are pretty successful opersators in this aviatoin business. I have no doubt that if assets could be flown viably, they would be. QF has a decently sized domestic and international freight operation, using dedicated aircarft, albeit with a number flying under contract, and QF flying under contract.

Re.CX at ASP - two of the 773s parked there are older than the QF744ERs. You'd suspect they won't return to service, but I don't think ASP has facilites to part out?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:08 am

Kent350787 wrote:
Velocity7 wrote:
I don't but by comparison, not on their metal anywhere near as frequently as their competitors. There is a lot of expensive QF assets on the ground. You'd think they'd be plying cargo routes far more often is they had the cargo ops/focus to support it?


Joyce and co have shown that they are pretty successful opersators in this aviatoin business. I have no doubt that if assets could be flown viably, they would be. QF has a decently sized domestic and international freight operation, using dedicated aircarft, albeit with a number flying under contract, and QF flying under contract.

Re.CX at ASP - two of the 773s parked there are older than the QF744ERs. You'd suspect they won't return to service, but I don't think ASP has facilites to part out?


There are now 5 CX 773's at ASP, 4 of which are older than the QF 744ER's

While on the subject of ASP, on Thursday 4 ATR's and 1 A320 arrived for storage for Cebu Pacific
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:30 am

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There are now 5 CX 773's at ASP, 4 of which are older than the QF 744ER's

While on the subject of ASP, on Thursday 4 ATR's and 1 A320 arrived for storage for Cebu Pacific


Ta - my quick FR check only showed the three, although I had noted the Cebu ATRs. I heard the CX bird go overhead this morning - I haven't heard a lightly loaded 773 like that for awhile, so made a check.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:33 am

Kent350787 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
There are now 5 CX 773's at ASP, 4 of which are older than the QF 744ER's

While on the subject of ASP, on Thursday 4 ATR's and 1 A320 arrived for storage for Cebu Pacific


Ta - my quick FR check only showed the three, although I had noted the Cebu ATRs. I heard the CX bird go overhead this morning - I haven't heard a lightly loaded 773 like that for awhile, so made a check.


If you're in SYD, that may have been one of the non ER 773's of CX. The RR engines make a very different sound.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:57 am

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Re.CX at ASP - two of the 773s parked there are older than the QF744ERs. You'd suspect they won't return to service, but I don't think ASP has facilites to part out?


Depends on how much they would want to part out from the 773s, they maybe be little value left in some of there parts.

There are plenty of licensed engineers in Australia looking for work, I’m sure it wouldn’t be hard to employee some on short-term contracts to breakup aircraft for parts work value. Could become the next FIFO operation in Australia.

If they are mainly just after recycling the metal, then it’s more about having an break up pad long arm digger. Then of course somewhere to be able to send the waste mental.

NZ has broken up an 762 in AKL, along with some NZ/QF 733s in CHC in the past.

No real reason why an breakup faculties couldn’t be established in ASP.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:13 am

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Kent350787 wrote:
No real reason why an breakup faculties couldn’t be established in ASP.


Except that it's hard to get more distant by realistic transport from markets. Easiest to fly there :)

Which means it's probably easiest to fly those CX birds to an established breaker, or at least a major city. Most of the other aircraft stored there are young or should have reasonable resale. A380 market for SQ would be the biggest thing.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:34 am

Qantas are using the 787 for Antartica flights.

Dubbed "the world's most unique scenic flight", Antarctica Flights plans to take Aussies on Qantas 787 Dreamliners to see the icy continent from the air.

From November, travellers will be able to take day trip flights lasting between 12 to 13 hours to see Antarctica from the sky.


https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavir ... b74257af04

https://antarcticaflights.com.au/
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:16 am

NZ801 wrote:
Qantas are using the 787 for Antartica flights.

Dubbed "the world's most unique scenic flight", Antarctica Flights plans to take Aussies on Qantas 787 Dreamliners to see the icy continent from the air.

From November, travellers will be able to take day trip flights lasting between 12 to 13 hours to see Antarctica from the sky.


https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavir ... b74257af04

https://antarcticaflights.com.au/

I guess it means a 787 stays in Australia but those business class fares are eye-watering.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:07 am

Velocity7 wrote:
Is it something on reflection that QF need to look at and chase more aggressively? Could be related to their small international footprint comparatively? They really appear single point sensitive around the pax market with a tiny cargo presence



As per the other thread.
QF has dedicated freighters that they use.

And have been using some 330s for freight only eg. QPG operating BNE-NRT right now
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:40 am

zkncj wrote:

QF seem to think sending there 789s off to storage makes more sense. Yet NZ is operating there 789s up 6x daily into Australia with most being only freight.


Yep QF would know better than most of us what is best for their fleet :roll: What NZ does with their fleet is not particularly relevant to QF in this environment...

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You would think QF would be looking at doing the same on the Tasman.


Why, because Air NZ is doing it?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:09 am

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You would think QF would be looking at doing the same on the Tasman.


QF is running a 763 freighter almost daily on a SYD-AKL-CHC-SYD triangle (plus sending the same plane to HKG). You'd think they have a sense of the market.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:38 am

Kent350787 wrote:
zkncj wrote:
You would think QF would be looking at doing the same on the Tasman.


QF is running a 763 freighter almost daily on a SYD-AKL-CHC-SYD triangle (plus sending the same plane to HKG). You'd think they have a sense of the market.


That’s a normal route and the only route the 763 does is AKL/CHC 5x weekly and a weekly HKG service. Currently it’s doing several additional runs on each route with A333s covering some flights as well.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:19 am

SYDSpotter wrote:
zkncj wrote:

QF seem to think sending there 789s off to storage makes more sense. Yet NZ is operating there 789s up 6x daily into Australia with most being only freight.


Yep QF would know better than most of us what is best for their fleet :roll: What NZ does with their fleet is not particularly relevant to QF in this environment...

zkncj wrote:
You would think QF would be looking at doing the same on the Tasman.


Why, because Air NZ is doing it?


You would of thought the cost of running an 789 across the Tasman, would been cheaper than the a333s that doing multiple times an week on cargo runs.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:52 am

zkncj wrote:
SYDSpotter wrote:
zkncj wrote:

QF seem to think sending there 789s off to storage makes more sense. Yet NZ is operating there 789s up 6x daily into Australia with most being only freight.


Yep QF would know better than most of us what is best for their fleet :roll: What NZ does with their fleet is not particularly relevant to QF in this environment...

zkncj wrote:
You would think QF would be looking at doing the same on the Tasman.


Why, because Air NZ is doing it?


You would of thought the cost of running an 789 across the Tasman, would been cheaper than the a333s that doing multiple times an week on cargo runs.

That's before you factor in capital costs and those variables like crew costs, which is far higher with 787 pilots than A333 pilots @ QF. 787 pilots are cheaper than 777's at NZ, but same cannot be said for QF.

Older aussie threads also says A333s can haul just as much if not more than 789s.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:08 pm

CraigAnderson wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
Australian aviation site Airline Ratings is now offering a 'Covid Rating' system for airlines.

"For a COVID-19 compliance star, airlines must pass four of six criteria: website information on COVID19 procedures; face masks for passengers; personal protection equipment for the crew; modified meal service; deep clean of aircraft and social distancing onboarding."

The site is also moving to a subscription model of $15 per year for the ratings content.

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/air ... -airlines/


Just thinking about this, it means that Qantas and Virgin are going to fare pretty badly, as the crew don't wear PPE and passengers are not required to wear facemasks, and there is no social distancing on board. Actually not many airlines would qualify.

Masks are mandatory for all pax and crew in and out of Victoria and strongly recommended on all other domestic routes.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:50 pm

Does QF own the 787s outright?

According to an earlier forum post the 787 pilots are not paid as much as the 330 crews? Operating expenditure is given as the reason behind parking the 787, but it does not seem to be the case?

Does anyone have insights into this?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:11 am

VHOZ wrote:
Does QF own the 787s outright?

According to an earlier forum post the 787 pilots are not paid as much as the 330 crews? Operating expenditure is given as the reason behind parking the 787, but it does not seem to be the case?

Does anyone have insights into this?

I think you read the opposite as 787 pilots are paid more than A330 ones in the contract on Fairworks

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:14 am

VHOZ wrote:
Does QF own the 787s outright?

According to an earlier forum post the 787 pilots are not paid as much as the 330 crews? Operating expenditure is given as the reason behind parking the 787, but it does not seem to be the case?

Does anyone have insights into this?


No, 787 pilots are paid more in base terms. The "efficiency" in the 787 pilot rates is on longhaul flights, which obviously doesn't apply in a comparison with the A330.

Also redroo posted on the other thread that they think the 787 engines are power by the hour. If so then that's a very good reason to keep them parked for as long as possible.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:32 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
VHOZ wrote:
Does QF own the 787s outright?

According to an earlier forum post the 787 pilots are not paid as much as the 330 crews? Operating expenditure is given as the reason behind parking the 787, but it does not seem to be the case?

Does anyone have insights into this?


No, 787 pilots are paid more in base terms. The "efficiency" in the 787 pilot rates is on longhaul flights, which obviously doesn't apply in a comparison with the A330.

Also redroo posted on the other thread that they think the 787 engines are power by the hour. If so then that's a very good reason to keep them parked for as long as possible.

QF own the 789s, but not the engines which are under a GE power by the hour arrangement. Whilst owned, most of the 789s have been used as collateral in recent months to provide cashflow funding over Covid.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:38 am

Qantas has raised only $71.7m in its share purchase plan representing only a 5% take-up rate, well short of its $500m target. The airline has blamed lack of confidence flowing from the "Victorian Wave" as the cause though I believe it was failing well before the MEL lockdowns. As a QAN shareholder, I was personally rung a couple of times from the registry weeks ago trying to get me to sign up. If anything, the seeming desperation made me more certain that I was not interested.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:46 am

tullamarine wrote:
Qantas has raised only $71.7m in its share purchase plan representing only a 5% take-up rate, well short of its $500m target. The airline has blamed lack of confidence flowing from the "Victorian Wave" as the cause though I believe it was failing well before the MEL lockdowns. As a QAN shareholder, I was personally rung a couple of times from the registry weeks ago trying to get me to sign up. If anything, the seeming desperation made me more certain that I was not interested.



Oh dear. That’s not good.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Mon Aug 10, 2020 2:22 am

Those shareholders that took up the Qantas share offer are having the last laugh - they are sitting on a nice 22c/share profit as of today.

Thats the difference between mum and dad investors who dont really know what they are doing and professional investors.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2020

Mon Aug 10, 2020 2:43 am

tullamarine wrote:
Qantas has raised only $71.7m in its share purchase plan representing only a 5% take-up rate, well short of its $500m target. The airline has blamed lack of confidence flowing from the "Victorian Wave" as the cause though I believe it was failing well before the MEL lockdowns. As a QAN shareholder, I was personally rung a couple of times from the registry weeks ago trying to get me to sign up. If anything, the seeming desperation made me more certain that I was not interested.


TBH a capital raising at this stage, with the international network in shutdown, was always an incredibly optimistic move...
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