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Trans World Logo - 1980s

Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:26 am

Does anyone know why some TWA jets, specifically the 747, featured the words "Trans World" in both outline and bold letter head at one point, in I think, the 1980s?

Was it an interim or experimental livery? Some airport check in desks were also featuring the outline letter head for some time.
 
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Re: Trans World Logo - 1980s

Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:42 am

The outline lettering was difficult to see at a distance. That livery was introduced in 1975 and by 1979 the changes were well underway. I don’t think the original DC-9s or the non fan 707-331s ever received the bold titles. The earliest I have found the bold livery was in 1978.


I imagine that the check in desk signage never changed due to cost controls at that time.
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Re: Trans World Logo - 1980s

Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:15 am

DL_Mech wrote:
The outline lettering was difficult to see at a distance. That livery was introduced in 1975 and by 1979 the changes were well underway. I don’t think the original DC-9s or the non fan 707-331s ever received the bold titles. The earliest I have found the bold livery was in 1978.


I imagine that the check in desk signage never changed due to cost controls at that time.

Is the plane shipping an engine on the left wing?

That’s one of the small quirks I like about the 747’s design that’s still unique today; the ability to ‘deadhead’ an entire engine :lol:.
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Re: Trans World Logo - 1980s

Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:19 am

TheWorm123 wrote:
Is the plane shipping an engine on the left wing?

That’s one of the small quirks I like about the 747’s design that’s still unique today; the ability to ‘deadhead’ an entire engine :lol:.


Yes, also done on some DC-10s and L-1011s.
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Re: Trans World Logo - 1980s

Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:19 am

I was there at the time. TWA adopted a new livery with "TRANS WORLD" as an outline sometime in the mid-70's. The letters were later filled in on one aircraft that was used for a charter to fly the Pope around the US. We knew he would be photographed often when getting off the plane so we wanted to be sure "TRANS WORLD" was prominent. After the charter, it was decided the bold print looked pretty good so it was adopted across the fleet.
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Re: Trans World Logo - 1980s

Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:42 am

The original intent was that the outline lettering could not been seen from a distance. The effect was very attractive and dramatic. Just the “double arrow“ cheat line and bold TWA tail was visible.

But as noted above, the free advertising of the name filled in won. I never understood why, as there was never any doubt who’s plane you were looking at. But, in my opinion, the original design looked the best.
 
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Re: Trans World Logo - 1980s

Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:16 am

The final “return of the globe livery” was nice but kind of invisible too.

The Trans World red fill in was an effective addition.
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Re: Trans World Logo - 1980s

Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:35 am

DL_Mech wrote:
TheWorm123 wrote:
Is the plane shipping an engine on the left wing?

That’s one of the small quirks I like about the 747’s design that’s still unique today; the ability to ‘deadhead’ an entire engine :lol:.


Yes, also done on some DC-10s and L-1011s.

Interesting I didn’t know all three of them had the ability. I knew of the 747’s ability through reading about Air India 182 which happened to be carrying one when the bomb went off.
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Re: Trans World Logo - 1980s

Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:44 am

TheWorm123 wrote:
DL_Mech wrote:
TheWorm123 wrote:
Is the plane shipping an engine on the left wing?

That’s one of the small quirks I like about the 747’s design that’s still unique today; the ability to ‘deadhead’ an entire engine :lol:.


Yes, also done on some DC-10s and L-1011s.

Interesting I didn’t know all three of them had the ability. I knew of the 747’s ability through reading about Air India 182 which happened to be carrying one when the bomb went off.

It seems the DC-10 carried the spare engine on the port side whereas the TriStar carried the spare engine on the starboard side.
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The VC-10 could actually carry a spare engine as well. That one was even odder due to the fact the VC-10 had four tail mounted engines, whereas the "fifth" went under the starboard wing.
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Re: Trans World Logo - 1980s

Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:53 am

Logo: The original intent of “not seeing it” seems counter productive.

Extra Engine: Has anyone flown a plane with this? I was just wondering what the extra fuel burn and drag characteristics were. Specifically on landing, did it cause extra yaw due to more drag on one side?
 
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Re: Trans World Logo - 1980s

Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:58 am

FlyCaledonian wrote:
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Dammit, I had just finished writing my own post but you beat me to it. And yes, I was rounding it off with a five-engine VC-10 (there's at least one example on the a.net photo database).

So it would appear that once again the Brits were first with a great idea. :duck:
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Re: Trans World Logo - 1980s

Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:46 pm

I believe the outline logo was just a test livery but was rejected in favor of the filled in letters. TWA also floated a bare metal version of that livery that didn't stick.
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Re: Trans World Logo - 1980s

Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:58 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
Logo: The original intent of “not seeing it” seems counter productive.

Extra Engine: Has anyone flown a plane with this? I was just wondering what the extra fuel burn and drag characteristics were. Specifically on landing, did it cause extra yaw due to more drag on one side?


I flew on a Swissair 747-300 from ZRH to JFK in the 1980s as a kid that had been delayed a few hours in order to be prepared to carry a spare engine over to JFK. I was 14, don't recall any major announcements about what the reason for it was, but could see the third engine on the starboard side, as the 747 was towed from the hangar to the B Pier at ZRH airport where it was prepped to fly to NY. This was SR 100.
 
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Re: Trans World Logo - 1980s

Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:01 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
The final “return of the globe livery” was nice but kind of invisible too.

The Trans World red fill in was an effective addition.


The return of the globe livery toward the end of TWA interesting. It brought back a legacy of TWA but the TRANS WORLD lettering on the fuselage was a thin black font and I'd agree not easy to see, though you could always tell it was a TWA aircraft based on the tail which displayed "TWA", sideways up.
 
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Re: Trans World Logo - 1980s

Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:44 pm

IMHO the “Red Stripe” TWA livery was a very timeless and iconic looking livery. Had they not introduce the final livery, and had they still be around today, it would have still looked good.
 
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Re: Trans World Logo - 1980s

Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:05 pm

Have to admit a fondness for their "Wings of Pride" livery. Not sure what year that was, but the reverse paint scheme was quite eye-catching!
 
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Re: Trans World Logo - 1980s

Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:56 pm

LAXffDUB wrote:
Have to admit a fondness for their "Wings of Pride" livery. Not sure what year that was, but the reverse paint scheme was quite eye-catching!

That livery started in 1994 and was modied to the final livery WOP until repainted in AA colors. She has been restored to the inverse WOP livery and is now at the KC downtown Airport TWA museum.

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