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BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:22 am

I just read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_9

And it seems BA over the years have pulled out of PER, MEL & AKL. Did they ever fly to BNE? The latest info online is that BA9/10 LHR-BKK-SYD with the SYD sector terminated in 2012 and all SYD services now routed over SIN with BA15/16. I know the ME3 and the Asian carriers have a cost advantage making UK-Oz cheap. I guess BA now has decided to focus on the Americas network where there is minimal low cost competition (save Norwegian).
 
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:36 am

If Wiki is to be believe (I know): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_B ... stinations

They have flown to BNE, PER, MEL and ADL beforehand which all got terminated

They also went AKL and CHC on the other side the pond and these two also get canned

SYD is the only remaining and from what I read in this forum a while ago had these flights (BA15/6) not switched to mixed-fleet crewing it would likely be canned already as well - of course we're talking about a pre-COVID world

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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:50 am

BNE wasn't really much of an International Airport before the early 90s, it only started to really gain traction in the last 25 years.
 
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:29 am

IIRC, they pulled out of BNE and PER around the same time in 2000/2001.
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:16 am

Wouldn't they think about it in the near future , with the availability of the new ULH aircrafts (787 & 350) .. UK - OZ is congested but with the none stop service things would be changed for good for BA & QF
 
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:19 am

USAirALB wrote:
IIRC, they pulled out of BNE and PER around the same time in 2000/2001.


That’s correct, both had their own daily 744s via SIN.

MEL was dropped around 1998 in which it was an extension of SYD for the last few years, then re instated in 2001 through 2006 with a 5 weekly then daily 744 via SIN.

ADL was I think served in the 1980s for a few years, we’ll definitely served at some point not exactly sure for how long.

AKL was dropped in 1995, the last routing was 2-3 weekly 744s LHR-BOM-PER-AKL, the routing did vary over the years and at different times AKL had service to SYD/MEL/BNE/ADL sometimes in one direction only. With various stopover points in Asia and the Middle East over the years.

CHC was served weekly OCT 1987 March 1989, was LHR-BOM-SIN-PER-CHC-AKL-PER-SIN-BOM-LHR.
 
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:23 am

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Wouldn't they think about it in the near future , with the availability of the new ULH aircrafts (787 & 350) .. UK - OZ is congested but with the none stop service things would be changed for good for BA & QF


The problem is really for BA that they don’t have to many other routes an ULH configured aircraft could be used on which may work against them.

QF have a lot of potential routes, though they have said they want the flexibility of being able to use an A35J on LHR-SYD and then shorter routes like HKG-SYD.
 
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:28 am

eamondzhang wrote:
SYD is the only remaining and from what I read in this forum a while ago had these flights (BA15/6) not switched to mixed-fleet crewing it would likely be canned already as well - of course we're talking about a pre-COVID world


The tired 773 service to SYD always seems like a strange hangover from a long-lost past, perhaps trading on national loyalty for passngers on the through route rather than the ME3 or Asian options available. Since VS dropped the route it is the only European airline flying to Australia.
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:30 am

Don't forget DRW, lots of the flights up till the late 70's stopped in DRW on their way to and from the southern states.
 
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:31 am

The termination of Adelaide, Brisbane, Perth and onto New Zealand were part of a partnership with Qantas that also saw Qantas terminate their Manchester flight.
Consolidating service frequencies on the core London - Sydney and Melbourne markets with feed into Europe on BA and round Australasia and Oceania on Qantas .

Subsequently Qantas became unsatisfied with the BA two stop offering as Emirates Singapore and other South East Asian carriers were eating their breakfast and lunch with one stop services to numerous Europeans centres from Australia.

And rather than loose that trade completely took the brave step to break their Oneworld partnership and get into bed with Emirates .

For a time that worked with Emirates doing heavy lifting beyond Dubai and upto 4 daily Qantas flights transiting enroute to and from Heathrow every day.

Recently however Qantas has again changed that with the none stop Perth and onwards to Melbourne Dreamliner service and moved the Sydney service back to routing via a single Singapore transit.

Emirates continues to provide the codeshare for the majority of other Europeans cities

Getting back to BA the single remaining daily Sydney service has been said to dramatically improved its economic performance with the introduction of the 77W and MF crews.
 
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:38 am

Kent350787 wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
SYD is the only remaining and from what I read in this forum a while ago had these flights (BA15/6) not switched to mixed-fleet crewing it would likely be canned already as well - of course we're talking about a pre-COVID world


The tired 773 service to SYD always seems like a strange hangover from a long-lost past, perhaps trading on national loyalty for passngers on the through route rather than the ME3 or Asian options available. Since VS dropped the route it is the only European airline flying to Australia.

At least they claimed to be profitable and the flight is filled before COVID.

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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:47 am

SueD wrote:
The termination of Adelaide, Brisbane, Perth and onto New Zealand were part of a partnership with Qantas that also saw Qantas terminate their Manchester flight.

I recall QF serving MAN, but I don't remember it being so (relatively in the grand scheme of things) recent. Where was the stopover and what was the equipment?
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USAirALB wrote:
IIRC, they pulled out of BNE and PER around the same time in 2000/2001.


That’s correct, both had their own daily 744s via SIN.

MEL was dropped around 1998 in which it was an extension of SYD for the last few years, then re instated in 2001 through 2006 with a 5 weekly then daily 744 via SIN.

ADL was I think served in the 1980s for a few years, we’ll definitely served at some point not exactly sure for how long.

AKL was dropped in 1995, the last routing was 2-3 weekly 744s LHR-BOM-PER-AKL, the routing did vary over the years and at different times AKL had service to SYD/MEL/BNE/ADL sometimes in one direction only. With various stopover points in Asia and the Middle East over the years.

CHC was served weekly OCT 1987 March 1989, was LHR-BOM-SIN-PER-CHC-AKL-PER-SIN-BOM-LHR.

IIRC, I remember reading numerous times that MEL was actually profitable but BA needed the equipment to open up an extra Indian frequency.
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:19 am

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Don't forget DRW, lots of the flights up till the late 70's stopped in DRW on their way to and from the southern states.



I was going to say DRW, as you say I thought it was still served in the early 747 days through the 1970's. Is this correct?
 
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:27 am

The JSA dates from the early 2000s and included Qantas Frankfurt service where BA were to take Qantas passengers onto Manchester and Birmingham replacing the Qantas flight .
Qantas opened Manchester in 1984 and ran till 2002 .
It was obviously a multi stop and varied quite a bit
When started routed Sydney, Melbourne, Singapore, Bahrain and Amsterdam. European transits included Belgrade, Athens, and Zurich at differing times .
The Bahrain transit disappeared with the introduction of 743 . In the final few years it was a simple extension of one of the Heathrow daily flights with the north bound routing via Singapore and south bound via Bangkok and finally with BA they flew a dedicated BA Regional 737 under Qantas code Manchester - Heathrow for a season or two. They also had a short slot sitter service between Manchester and Heathrow with Qantas code using a leased BAE 146 !
 
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:32 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
LTEN11 wrote:
Don't forget DRW, lots of the flights up till the late 70's stopped in DRW on their way to and from the southern states.



I was going to say DRW, as you say I thought it was still served in the early 747 days through the 1970's. Is this correct?


I might be wrong but my memory says Darwin was usually a Super VC10 stop in its final days of the very very early 70s and swapped with the Bandar Seri Begawan calls depending on season .
 
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:20 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
LTEN11 wrote:
Don't forget DRW, lots of the flights up till the late 70's stopped in DRW on their way to and from the southern states.



I was going to say DRW, as you say I thought it was still served in the early 747 days through the 1970's. Is this correct?


Yes, some of the early 747 services still stopped in DRW, but I think they were all done by the mid to late 70's.
 
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:30 am

LTEN11 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
LTEN11 wrote:
Don't forget DRW, lots of the flights up till the late 70's stopped in DRW on their way to and from the southern states.



I was going to say DRW, as you say I thought it was still served in the early 747 days through the 1970's. Is this correct?


Yes, some of the early 747 services still stopped in DRW, but I think they were all done by the mid to late 70's.


Airline Route News had a BOAC schedule for 747 operations SEP/OCT 1972 on the 17th July and NW 747 Ops on the 18th July. DRW was in the 1972 schedule, but not the 1977 schedule for 747's. DRW may have still been served in '77 but it would've been with the VC-10.
 
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:40 am

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The JSA dates from the early 2000s and included Qantas Frankfurt service where BA were to take Qantas passengers onto Manchester and Birmingham replacing the Qantas flight .
Qantas opened Manchester in 1984 and ran till 2002 .
It was obviously a multi stop and varied quite a bit
When started routed Sydney, Melbourne, Singapore, Bahrain and Amsterdam. European transits included Belgrade, Athens, and Zurich at differing times .
The Bahrain transit disappeared with the introduction of 743 . In the final few years it was a simple extension of one of the Heathrow daily flights with the north bound routing via Singapore and south bound via Bangkok and finally with BA they flew a dedicated BA Regional 737 under Qantas code Manchester - Heathrow for a season or two. They also had a short slot sitter service between Manchester and Heathrow with Qantas code using a leased BAE 146 !


I can't recall QF ever operating to Zurich and definitely not with the 747, do you have any information as to when they did ? European ports for the 747 that I can remember besides the ones you mentioned were Vienna and Rome. They did serve Istanbul, but that was with the 707.

Bahrain was still a stop with the 743 on the west bound run to London from Singapore. Heading east the 743 didn't stop in Bahrain.
 
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:45 am

The last flight out of Perth occurred on June 30th, 2000

BA011 LHR 12.00pm 8.05am+1 SIN 9.20am 2.10pm+1 PER
BA012 PER 4.55pm 10.00pm SIN 11.15pm 5.55am+1 LHR

I don't have the full schedule for LHR-SIN-BNE flights. If anyone has them that would be great!

The last flight out of Melbourne occurred on March 25th, 2006

BA017 9.15pm 5.50pm+1 SIN 7.15pm 5.25am+1 MEL
BA018 5.35pm 10.05pm SIN 11.35pm 5.55am+1 LHR
 
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:45 am

The last flight out of Perth occurred on June 30th, 2000

BA011 LHR 12.00pm 8.05am+1 SIN 9.20am 2.10pm+1 PER
BA012 PER 4.55pm 10.00pm SIN 11.15pm 5.55am+1 LHR

The last flight out of Melbourne occurred on March 25th, 2006

BA017 9.15pm 5.50pm+1 SIN 7.15pm 5.25am+1 MEL
BA018 5.35pm 10.05pm SIN 11.35pm 5.55am+1 LHR

I don't have the full schedule for LHR-SIN-BNE flights. If anyone has them that would be great!
 
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:12 am

Melb94 wrote:
The last flight out of Perth occurred on June 30th, 2000

BA011 LHR 12.00pm 8.05am+1 SIN 9.20am 2.10pm+1 PER
BA012 PER 4.55pm 10.00pm SIN 11.15pm 5.55am+1 LHR

The last flight out of Melbourne occurred on March 25th, 2006

BA017 9.15pm 5.50pm+1 SIN 7.15pm 5.25am+1 MEL
BA018 5.35pm 10.05pm SIN 11.35pm 5.55am+1 LHR

I don't have the full schedule for LHR-SIN-BNE flights. If anyone has them that would be great!


BNE was similar to MEL it arrived BNE around 0600 left 1530.
 
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:14 am

BA15/16 took over QF51/52's schedule for a while from memory. BNE-SIN was the only route 'not' flown by QF for a short period (they've put those pax as QF codeshares on the old BA15/16 BNE-SIN flight).
 
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:42 am

Does anyone else remember 'British Airways' and the 'speed marque' appearing on the wall behind the Qantas domestic check-in counters, below the much larger Qantas signage? In Sydney, I mean? This happened soon after Qantas was privatised and BA took 25% ownership. It was in the old check-in area on the ground level on Shiers Ave (the old TAA building), before the more modern upper level check-in was built.

I always thought it was odd, given BA never used T3 in Sydney, but I suppose they would have had codeshares on QF domestic services.
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Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:54 am

SCFlyer wrote:
BA15/16 took over QF51/52's schedule for a while from memory. BNE-SIN was the only route 'not' flown by QF for a short period (they've put those pax as QF codeshares on the old BA15/16 BNE-SIN flight).


Yes thats right, BA ran daily 744's BNE-SIN, while QF also along with BA ran a 763 PER-SIN IIRC? Both BA and QF ran SYD-BKK-LHR daily and BA in the late 1990s early 00s ran a 3x weekly LHR-KUL-SYD on a 744, BA replaced SIN-BNE with SIN-SYD and dropped KUL-SYD around OCT 2000 giving BA 2 daily SYD services. QF added QF31/32 SYD-MEL-SIN-LHR around 2000ish aswell initially 4x weekly, QF were running MEL-SIN-LHR daily on a 744 already. They also had a SYD-SIN-CDG 3x weekly which switched to PER-SIN-CDG and then PER-SIN-LHR 3x weekly when CDG was dropped IIRC, HKG-LHR started in 2004 initially 4x weekly SYD-HKG-LHR then switched to MEL-HKG-LHR in 2006 when BA dropped MEL. QF served FCO via BKK until 2003 3-4 weekly with 743s, IIRC it was a switched to a 744 via SIN for the last little while, and SYD-SIN-FRA daily 744s until 2013. Which then gave by 2006

SYD-BKK-LHR QF Daily 744
SYD-SIN-LHR QF Daily 744
SYD-BKK-LHR BA Daily 744
SYD-SIN-LHR BA Daily 744
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:49 am

vhtje wrote:
Does anyone else remember 'British Airways' and the 'speed marque' appearing on the wall behind the Qantas domestic check-in counters, below the much larger Qantas signage? In Sydney, I mean? This happened soon after Qantas was privatised and BA took 25% ownership. It was in the old check-in area on the ground level on Shiers Ave (the old TAA building), before the more modern upper level check-in was built.

I always thought it was odd, given BA never used T3 in Sydney, but I suppose they would have had codeshares on QF domestic services.


There was Qantas/British Airways co-branding outside the Brisbane domestic terminal until quite recently. I'm pretty sure it was there right up until the signage was replaced with the 2016 logo.
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:02 am

LTEN11 wrote:
SueD wrote:
The JSA dates from the early 2000s and included Qantas Frankfurt service where BA were to take Qantas passengers onto Manchester and Birmingham replacing the Qantas flight .
Qantas opened Manchester in 1984 and ran till 2002 .
It was obviously a multi stop and varied quite a bit
When started routed Sydney, Melbourne, Singapore, Bahrain and Amsterdam. European transits included Belgrade, Athens, and Zurich at differing times .
The Bahrain transit disappeared with the introduction of 743 . In the final few years it was a simple extension of one of the Heathrow daily flights with the north bound routing via Singapore and south bound via Bangkok and finally with BA they flew a dedicated BA Regional 737 under Qantas code Manchester - Heathrow for a season or two. They also had a short slot sitter service between Manchester and Heathrow with Qantas code using a leased BAE 146 !


I can't recall QF ever operating to Zurich and definitely not with the 747, do you have any information as to when they did ? European ports for the 747 that I can remember besides the ones you mentioned were Vienna and Rome. They did serve Istanbul, but that was with the 707.

Bahrain was still a stop with the 743 on the west bound run to London from Singapore. Heading east the 743 didn't stop in Bahrain.


Ait changed that often but I think you might be right of Zurich - Was that Singapore or even Cathay ?
 
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:08 pm

SueD wrote:
LTEN11 wrote:
SueD wrote:
The JSA dates from the early 2000s and included Qantas Frankfurt service where BA were to take Qantas passengers onto Manchester and Birmingham replacing the Qantas flight .
Qantas opened Manchester in 1984 and ran till 2002 .
It was obviously a multi stop and varied quite a bit
When started routed Sydney, Melbourne, Singapore, Bahrain and Amsterdam. European transits included Belgrade, Athens, and Zurich at differing times .
The Bahrain transit disappeared with the introduction of 743 . In the final few years it was a simple extension of one of the Heathrow daily flights with the north bound routing via Singapore and south bound via Bangkok and finally with BA they flew a dedicated BA Regional 737 under Qantas code Manchester - Heathrow for a season or two. They also had a short slot sitter service between Manchester and Heathrow with Qantas code using a leased BAE 146 !


I can't recall QF ever operating to Zurich and definitely not with the 747, do you have any information as to when they did ? European ports for the 747 that I can remember besides the ones you mentioned were Vienna and Rome. They did serve Istanbul, but that was with the 707.

Bahrain was still a stop with the 743 on the west bound run to London from Singapore. Heading east the 743 didn't stop in Bahrain.


Ait changed that often but I think you might be right of Zurich - Was that Singapore or even Cathay ?
pretty sure It was SQ that operated ZRH-MAN with the 747.
 
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Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:14 pm

BA has always been at a disadvantage being the the Western End of the long route to Oceana, QF and NZ struggled too, NZ are no longer operating to Europe and QF had UK-based cabin crew for quite a few years. I think BA did have cabin crew bases in Asia prior to the introduction of MF, Im not sure if they operated to Australia though.

The ME3 have a huge advantage over their competitors at either end of the route, based on the Geography alone. The ability to funnel passengers through a central hub from Europe to Asia/Oceana on a one-stop basis has allowed them to build networks previously unseen in Oz and NZ for foreign airlines.
 
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:37 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
USAirALB wrote:
IIRC, they pulled out of BNE and PER around the same time in 2000/2001.


That’s correct, both had their own daily 744s via SIN.

MEL was dropped around 1998 in which it was an extension of SYD for the last few years, then re instated in 2001 through 2006 with a 5 weekly then daily 744 via SIN.

ADL was I think served in the 1980s for a few years, we’ll definitely served at some point not exactly sure for how long.

AKL was dropped in 1995, the last routing was 2-3 weekly 744s LHR-BOM-PER-AKL, the routing did vary over the years and at different times AKL had service to SYD/MEL/BNE/ADL sometimes in one direction only. With various stopover points in Asia and the Middle East over the years.

CHC was served weekly OCT 1987 March 1989, was LHR-BOM-SIN-PER-CHC-AKL-PER-SIN-BOM-LHR.



BA also served Christchurch with a different route via Muscat. I remember the check in staff member said no passengers had MCT as their destination on the day. But BA had people booked to the other cities.
So CHC-PER-SIN-MCT-LHR routing.
 
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:11 pm

if everyone ends up doing nonstops then they might as well do their own routings to Oz. Just whether 3-4 aircraft required to run it has any yield as its apparently only barely profitable as is. Someone mentioned ‘tired’ 773s are some almost brand new?
 
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Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:14 pm

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if everyone ends up doing nonstops then they might as well do their own routings to Oz. Just whether 3-4 aircraft required to run it has any yield as its apparently only barely profitable as is. Someone mentioned ‘tired’ 773s are some almost brand new?


Everyone is BA and QF and VS. No one else has the rights to do non stops.

I saw the tired 773 comment, agree they are not very old at all at least some of them, oldest is around 10yo. They are meant to be going super high J though, wonder what will go to SYD then?
 
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Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:20 pm

by738 wrote:
if everyone ends up doing nonstops then they might as well do their own routings to Oz. Just whether 3-4 aircraft required to run it has any yield as its apparently only barely profitable as is. Someone mentioned ‘tired’ 773s are some almost brand new?


Going nonstop increases aircraft utilisation as you are able to take the most direct/quickest route and also eliminate downtime at the stopover point.

With the right slots in place at both ends you can comfortably run a daily SYD-LHR nonstop service with 2 aircraft. Each aircraft would spend 20-21 hours a day in the air with 3-4 hours between flights.
 
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Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:32 pm

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With the right slots in place at both ends you can comfortably run a daily SYD-LHR nonstop service with 2 aircraft. Each aircraft would spend 20-21 hours a day in the air with 3-4 hours between flights.


20 hours of flying time per day for the aircraft is great utilisation. if the yields are sufficient should be a winner.
 
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:40 pm

qf002 wrote:
by738 wrote:
if everyone ends up doing nonstops then they might as well do their own routings to Oz. Just whether 3-4 aircraft required to run it has any yield as its apparently only barely profitable as is. Someone mentioned ‘tired’ 773s are some almost brand new?


Going nonstop increases aircraft utilisation as you are able to take the most direct/quickest route and also eliminate downtime at the stopover point.

With the right slots in place at both ends you can comfortably run a daily SYD-LHR nonstop service with 2 aircraft. Each aircraft would spend 20-21 hours a day in the air with 3-4 hours between flights.


The curfews at both SYD and LHR have been the reason the BA aircraft have had to stay on the ground for around 8 hours in SYD.
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:03 pm

by738 wrote:
if everyone ends up doing nonstops then they might as well do their own routings to Oz. Just whether 3-4 aircraft required to run it has any yield as its apparently only barely profitable as is. Someone mentioned ‘tired’ 773s are some almost brand new?


When you say every one; whom and what is in this exhaustive list beyond QF and BA you are thinking of ?

Turkish is oft referenced however that’s just another One Stop with an exceptionally long eastern sector across Istanbul.

Almost no other EU carriers have shown any desire to return to Australia with their own tail anytime soon, or even mid term cepting perhaps Air Austral from Paris via the Indian Ocean isles but that’s yet another one stop.

At a push a return of TUi to Perth I suppose that’s possible on limited programme with a 788 from Gatwick .

IAG has shown little too no interest in acquiring an Ultra Long Hauler of any type, because beyond the ethereal dream of LHR -SYD no other BA network route benefits from such a vehicle today or tomorrow.
For IAG ( BA) there is however to prospect of a return to Melbourne in the mid term

At least for Qantas in addition to Heathrow, an ULH might also be beneficial to allow Trans-Pacific none stops to targets in Chicago, Toronto and New York and when combined extended ETOPS rules allow improved performance operations into and out of Johannesburg on just two engines.

To me project sunrise remains so marginal as to not be worth the effort to be honest just for a saving two to three hours. It remains an over twenty hour fight east bound and 2 days in time zones .
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:28 pm

USAirALB wrote:
I recall QF serving MAN, but I don't remember it being so (relatively in the grand scheme of things) recent. Where was the stopover and what was the equipment?


IIRC, at least one of the QF MAN flights was QF81/82, ADL-SIN-BAH-MAN. Equipment was a 762 on the ADL-SIN sector, then change of gauge to 747 (not sure what variant) for SIN onwards. I stand to be corrected though...
 
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:32 pm

BrianDromey wrote:
BA has always been at a disadvantage being the the Western End of the long route to Oceana, QF and NZ struggled too, NZ are no longer operating to Europe and QF had UK-based cabin crew for quite a few years. I think BA did have cabin crew bases in Asia prior to the introduction of MF, Im not sure if they operated to Australia though.

BA had a pilots crew base in Sydney for years, doing the many different sectors to SE Asia eg SYD to SIN or BKK or KUL, and positioning to other Aussie cities to operate MEL to SIN, PER to MEL etc. Halcyon days!
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:35 pm

They way COVID is impacting BA and BA reacting ... I would make a bet that the SIN-SYD flight is next to get axed for good.
 
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:47 pm

I flew BNE-LHR on BA in 1984 as a young teenager. It was my first ever overseas trip. I remember it being 1984 as I distinctly remember being dragged by my parents to Buckingham Palace to see the notice of Prince Harry's birth posted on the gates!
It was on a 747-200 and the same aircraft completed the entire routing. My dad was in the travel industry at the time and we flew sub load in J Class, it was such an exciting trip as a young boy.

The routing BNE to LHR was: BNE-SYD-SIN-KUL-AUH-LHR
The routing LHR to BNE was: LHR-MCT-KUL-SIN-MEL?-BNE (bit furry on the MEL transit, may have been SYD but 80% sure it was MEL)
 
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:04 pm

Velocity7 wrote:
The routing BNE to LHR was: BNE-SYD-SIN-KUL-AUH-LHR
The routing LHR to BNE was: LHR-MCT-KUL-SIN-MEL?-BNE (bit furry on the MEL transit, may have been SYD but 80% sure it was MEL)


No need to wonder why people fancy a simple, (relatively) quick LHR-DXB-BNE routing.
 
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:28 pm

I'd need to dig out the timetables but for a short while after BA dropped the KUL-CGK leg of the LHR-KUL-CGK flight (BA033/BA034) a SYD tag was added, so the flight was LHR-KUL-SYD on a 777-236 (I think four times weekly).

The difficulty for BA/QF was trying to leverage connections through the SIN mini-hub, whilst balancing other outings. Always thought it odd both operated LHR-BKK-SYD - BA being daily LHR-KUL-SYD and then operating LHR-BKK-CGK/MNL might have made more sense.
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:54 pm

RyanairGuru wrote:
vhtje wrote:
Does anyone else remember 'British Airways' and the 'speed marque' appearing on the wall behind the Qantas domestic check-in counters, below the much larger Qantas signage? In Sydney, I mean? This happened soon after Qantas was privatised and BA took 25% ownership. It was in the old check-in area on the ground level on Shiers Ave (the old TAA building), before the more modern upper level check-in was built.

I always thought it was odd, given BA never used T3 in Sydney, but I suppose they would have had codeshares on QF domestic services.


There was Qantas/British Airways co-branding outside the Brisbane domestic terminal until quite recently. I'm pretty sure it was there right up until the signage was replaced with the 2016 logo.


I recall it in MEL too, and also vaguely seeing the Roo in LHR. A lot of their stationary was contended too you’d have almost thought it was a merger at times.

And QF has the drylease 744 NLH in partial BA livery at one point.

I think QF also had a charter company operate LHR-MAN a few years ago on a BA-146 to squat on the LHR slots so they didn’t Loose them, assume they have been leased out now?

Sad in some ways to see the reduction in routes by both carriers. I could see BA back in AU dependant on what happens with QRs bilateral which are restricted atm. AU could be a safe bubble in the future, and I could see LHR-DOH-MEL on a 789 in a JV with QR. Giving QR more capacity into the market and BA connectivity to fill an aircraft
 
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:32 am

BrianDromey wrote:
BA has always been at a disadvantage being the the Western End of the long route to Oceana, QF and NZ struggled too, NZ are no longer operating to Europe and QF had UK-based cabin crew for quite a few years. I think BA did have cabin crew bases in Asia prior to the introduction of MF, Im not sure if they operated to Australia though.

The ME3 have a huge advantage over their competitors at either end of the route, based on the Geography alone. The ability to funnel passengers through a central hub from Europe to Asia/Oceana on a one-stop basis has allowed them to build networks previously unseen in Oz and NZ for foreign airlines.


Qantas have had a London base since 2004 who continue to crew all LHR flying - pending resumption following the COVID interruption to service. A base is also maintained in TYO. The BKK base shuttered around the time of the suspension of QF1 routing SYD-BKK-LHR.

BA have had bases throughout Asia. Most prominently SIN and BKK, but wound down now. SYD also I believe.

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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:36 am

[quote="USAirALB"][quote="SueD"]
I recall QF serving MAN, but I don't remember it being so (relatively in the grand scheme of things) recent. Where was the stopover and what was the equipment? [quote="ZK-NBT"][quote="USAirALB"]

On one occasion back around 1980 I flew MAN-AMS and hold luggage went astray. We didn’t have to wait long as KLM had arranged for it to be ferried over apparently, and I only know this because the ground agent told us, on a Qantas flight en route to Athens (and presumably on to Australia), so looks like back in the day the Oz to MAN route had at least two stops in Continental Europe.
 
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Re: BA service to Australia over the years

Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:05 pm

jumpjets wrote:
USAirALB wrote:
SueD wrote:
I recall QF serving MAN, but I don't remember it being so (relatively in the grand scheme of things) recent. Where was the stopover and what was the equipment?


QF at one time routed MAN-AMS-ATH-BKK-SYD-MEL I believe.

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