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Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:32 pm

https://techcrunch.com/2020/08/03/virgi ... lls-royce/

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The renders at least look nice. Not sure designing a 19 pax aircraft is cheaper than a 150 pax aircraft in supersonic terms.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/03/virgin- ... royce.html

"The initial supersonic design targets Mach 3, or three times the speed of sound, using a delta-wing aircraft. Virgin Galactic said the aircraft would be capable of carrying between 9 and 19 passengers and would cruise at an altitude above 60,000 feet."
 
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Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:41 pm

Partnering with Rolls Royce? It’s very smart to get in bed with the company that bankrupts itself every single time they try to develop an engine.
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Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:53 pm

Flying time gets cut by 2/3rds instead of the 1/2 by the Concorde. LHR-JFK in 2.5 hours? LAX-SYD in 5 hours? LAX-HND in 3.75 hours? LAX-HKG in 5 hours? LAX-SIN in 5.5 hours? THIS WILL REVOLUTIONIZE AIR TRAVEL!
 
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Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:00 pm

In a time when global warming concerns are only going to get more pronounced, how will a jet like this pass environmental muster? This and the various companies developing low orbit space craft - how does this all mesh with the coming wave of regulations?
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    Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

    Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:03 pm

    The advancements in renderings are incredible. It's amazing the technological leaps that have happened in supersonic aircraft development since the Concorde stopped flying so many years ago. I feel confident that very soon we'll have even more impressive renderings. I'm hoping for a bit more red and pink in the next generation, I feel that would add so much to the impression of supersonic flight while standing still on a 2D piece of paper. I know it's a long shot but with Space X leading the way I'm hopeful. Come on Cyan 7, you can do it!
     
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    Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

    Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:03 pm

    This is very cool, but it's like a concept car — everyone wants one, but it'll never be built. This is a great marketing ploy by Virgin, but until they get their hands on a spare $50 billion, it won't be anything more than a great marketing ploy.
     
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    Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

    Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:19 pm

    It's not even a concept car. Those are actually cobbled together and rolled out at car shows -- albeit with a lot of stuff that will never survive production. And still, you can often see the DNA of the concept car in the production version. Like Wingman said above, this is not a design. This is a drawing.
     
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    Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

    Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:19 pm

    atcsundevil wrote:
    This is very cool, but it's like a concept car — everyone wants one, but it'll never be built. This is a great marketing ploy by Virgin, but until they get their hands on a spare $50 billion, it won't be anything more than a great marketing ploy.


    It looks a lot like a super cool aircraft that I designed in 4th grade but I did not have the financing to produce it either:)
     
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    Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

    Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:20 pm

    atcsundevil wrote:
    This is very cool, but it's like a concept car — everyone wants one, but it'll never be built. This is a great marketing ploy by Virgin, but until they get their hands on a spare $50 billion, it won't be anything more than a great marketing ploy.

    It is like a concept car. Everyone wants one until they see the price.

    I agree with you, Virgin does not have the cash. Neat images, but nothing more.

    In the book SkyGods, it mentions how every new hire PanAm pilot was told how they would be SST pilots, that didn't work out...

    The most expensive part is the engine. GE could use the CFM-56 in an updated F101 configuration for their plans. I have no idea what engine RR could convert.

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    Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:28 pm

    I hope this gets built. Perhaps a way for the business passenger to get back on-board! Surely they will tire of Zoom. Regulations mandated by a select few of today to squander the future of innovation for all should not be (referencing an earlier post about environmental regulations)!
     
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    Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

    Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:40 pm

    Throw it on the pile of other supersonic jets that were going to revolutionize air travel. So far only 2 from that pile made it to the real world, only 1 really worked, and neither revolutionized it.

    Modern innovation is about efficiency and weight. Announcing that you're building an aircraft with no regard for the environment that will transport the ultra wealthy at higher speeds certainly won't win you any public support.

    Unless it's somehow more efficient, cheaper, and becomes available to the masses... these SSTs won't go anywhere. Can't outfly an email or video call
     
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    Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

    Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:00 pm

    lightsaber wrote:
    atcsundevil wrote:
    This is very cool, but it's like a concept car — everyone wants one, but it'll never be built. This is a great marketing ploy by Virgin, but until they get their hands on a spare $50 billion, it won't be anything more than a great marketing ploy.

    It is like a concept car. Everyone wants one until they see the price.

    Lightsaber


    I disagree - it is nothing like a concept car. A concept car (or truck) etc is an actual prototype vehicle that can actually be driven. Now it may not yet have the full performance of the concept. But, they drive them into and out of the display areas, and occasionally on a demonstration track for publicity.

    This is nothing more than a concept drawing. Nothing has yet been built for it - much less have the capability to fly.

    Have a great day,
     
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    Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

    Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:05 pm

    kiowa wrote:
    atcsundevil wrote:
    This is very cool, but it's like a concept car — everyone wants one, but it'll never be built. This is a great marketing ploy by Virgin, but until they get their hands on a spare $50 billion, it won't be anything more than a great marketing ploy.


    It looks a lot like a super cool aircraft that I designed in 4th grade but I did not have the financing to produce it either:)


    I also wasn’t ballsy enough to write Virgin on the tail.
     
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    Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:18 pm

    Kinda looks like the Concorde and Su57 had a baby.

    Does anyone else think it would be better for Virgin Galactic to rethink their business model and go for point to point sub-orbital spaceflight for VVIPs and those who need to be on the other side of the world in 60 mins than joy rides for the rich and famous?
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    Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:45 pm

    In an era where I can talk to someone in London from NYC in milliseconds, why would fast travel make any sense? Or better yet, my home office to their home office in milliseconds. Home office being a spare bedroom or a 40 story office tower. Telecommunications offers a speed and flexibility that planes just suck at. Plus at the cost of something like this you could likely do some truly insane setups if you wish to be "in the room" as close as possible. Running costs will be trivial in comparison.

    This is a plane for people who plan poorly, or were alive when Persia was still a thing.
     
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    Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

    Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:48 pm

    Ah yes, the next revolutionary SST. We seem to get one of these every 3-4yrs, on a slow news day when some airline or OEM needs a bit of attention/distraction.
    Figured COVID would put us behind schedule, but here we are, right on time. ;)

    As has been said so many times:
    so long as we're using soil semen as our power source, supersonic pax travel is obsolete technology reserved for the boutique pleasure of the few.

    It's like boasting about having the fastest ocean cruiseliner: nice to have, but an outdated concept and will never truly compete with the technology that superseded it-- the electronic signal.

    Thus trying to build a sales model around anything more than a small quantity of small-sized and ULTRA pricey units, is business folly.
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    Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

    Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:51 pm

    TheWorm123 wrote:
    Partnering with Rolls Royce? It’s very smart to get in bed with the company that bankrupts itself every single time they try to develop an engine.


    I'm assuming there's someone at Rolls Royce just now, saying "Yeah, of course we will..." then hanging up the phone ? :rotfl:
     
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    Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

    Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:58 pm

    JannEejit wrote:
    TheWorm123 wrote:
    Partnering with Rolls Royce? It’s very smart to get in bed with the company that bankrupts itself every single time they try to develop an engine.


    I'm assuming there's someone at Rolls Royce just now, saying "Yeah, of course we will..." then hanging up the phone ? :rotfl:

    The call straight after will be which a speed dial call to which ever government will bail them out this time :lol:.

    It makes me laugh how the one thing a company does nearly kills them each time they do it :spit:.
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    Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:05 pm

    We’ll see real life A380’s in VS colours before that ever materialises
     
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    Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

    Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:50 pm

    TWA772LR wrote:
    Kinda looks like the Concorde and Su57 had a baby.

    Does anyone else think it would be better for Virgin Galactic to rethink their business model and go for point to point sub-orbital spaceflight for VVIPs and those who need to be on the other side of the world in 60 mins than joy rides for the rich and famous?


    Yeah, I second that. I think this concept conceptualized here will eventually morph into that.
     
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    Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

    Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:05 pm

    2175301 wrote:
    lightsaber wrote:
    atcsundevil wrote:
    This is very cool, but it's like a concept car — everyone wants one, but it'll never be built. This is a great marketing ploy by Virgin, but until they get their hands on a spare $50 billion, it won't be anything more than a great marketing ploy.

    It is like a concept car. Everyone wants one until they see the price.

    Lightsaber


    I disagree - it is nothing like a concept car. A concept car (or truck) etc is an actual prototype vehicle that can actually be driven. Now it may not yet have the full performance of the concept. But, they drive them into and out of the display areas, and occasionally on a demonstration track for publicity.

    This is nothing more than a concept drawing. Nothing has yet been built for it - much less have the capability to fly.

    Have a great day,


    It depends on the specific concept car. Some are actually driveable. Others are just a body on fake wheels with casters underneath. Usually a good way to tell is if you can see an interior, its a at least on a real chassis.
     
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    Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

    Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:08 pm

    x1234 wrote:
    Flying time gets cut by 2/3rds instead of the 1/2 by the Concorde. LHR-JFK in 2.5 hours? LAX-SYD in 5 hours? LAX-HND in 3.75 hours? LAX-HKG in 5 hours? LAX-SIN in 5.5 hours? THIS WILL REVOLUTIONIZE AIR TRAVEL!


    I hope you’re be sarcastic. Given the choice between speed and an extra $5000 to do the same trip, 99% of the time the latter wins out.
     
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    Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:13 pm

    How come Branson gets a pass on these environmental dinosaurs? I mean everyone else in all segments of transportation are getting hammered for their impact and no one says boo about this and rocket trips to 200,000 feet for a view? I pretty sure whatever powers this and the rockets (Elon Musk too ) aren't burning pixie dust. (FYI - I've got no problem with the rockets being used for legitimate science)
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      Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

      Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:16 pm

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      I thought Delta wing was out of vogue, fly by wire fixes it?
       
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      Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

      Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:16 pm

      x1234 wrote:
      Flying time gets cut by 2/3rds instead of the 1/2 by the Concorde. LHR-JFK in 2.5 hours? LAX-SYD in 5 hours? LAX-HND in 3.75 hours? LAX-HKG in 5 hours? LAX-SIN in 5.5 hours? THIS WILL REVOLUTIONIZE AIR TRAVEL!

      Yeah because the 9-19 passenger segment makes up a huge proportion of air travel.

      This is a nice idea, but for it to work they either need it to fly 200 passengers or overcome the sonic boom. Neither of which this will do.
      Look at sweatpants guy. This is a 90 million dollar aircraft, not a Tallahassee strip club
       
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      Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:27 pm

      THIS WILL REVOLUTIONIZE AIR TRAVEL!


      Only for the very few with the money to afford a ticket on it. Heck, most of us couldn't afford a ticket on the Concorde, and that bird at last could carry a semi-useful passenger load. A plane carrying fewer than 20 passengers is essentially a large business jet. Mach 3 travel will only become revolutionary when the technology trickles down to large everyday jetliners, the kind that the rest of us can afford to fly, and then likely over long distance travel. There won't be much of a need for supersonic flights between SNA-Las Vegas, for example.
       
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      Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:36 pm

      Who in marketing came up with 9 to 19 passenger instead of 10 to 20?
       
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      Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:56 pm

      MohawkWeekend wrote:
      How come Branson gets a pass on these environmental dinosaurs? I mean everyone else in all segments of transportation are getting hammered for their impact and no one says boo about this and rocket trips to 200,000 feet for a view? I pretty sure whatever powers this and the rockets (Elon Musk too ) aren't burning pixie dust. (FYI - I've got no problem with the rockets being used for legitimate science)


      Rolls Royce is investing significantly in next-gen biofuels R&D, with the goal of cutting carbon emissions from aviation in half by 2050 and perhaps someday 100% carbon neutral. This includes their moonshot supersonic engine proposals alongside the more conventional ones.

      Humanity will need to give up all forms of powered flight for at least a century if we are to eliminate carbon emissions entirely. In other words, not happening.

      The upshot is that Elon Musks rockets plan to allow colonization of other planets, once we are done destroying the current one :lol:
       
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      Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

      Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:54 pm

      lhrnue wrote:
      Who in marketing came up with 9 to 19 passenger instead of 10 to 20?

      19 or fewer passengers has different regulatory requirements than a 20 seat aircraft. One does not design a 20 seater due to the increased costs.

      9 seats goes into an even easier to certify category.

      That was engineering, not marketing.

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      Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

      Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:57 pm

      x1234 wrote:
      Flying time gets cut by 2/3rds instead of the 1/2 by the Concorde. LHR-JFK in 2.5 hours? LAX-SYD in 5 hours? LAX-HND in 3.75 hours? LAX-HKG in 5 hours? LAX-SIN in 5.5 hours? THIS WILL REVOLUTIONIZE AIR TRAVEL!


      Will it though if it only carries 19 people, maximum? This just seems like a really expensive and FAST business / first class flight tbh
       
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      Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:10 pm

      I wonder if such aircraft can be used by governments for emergency transport, cargo, emergency medical, evacuation, etc... Air Force One?
       
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      Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:11 pm

      MohawkWeekend wrote:
      In a time when global warming concerns are only going to get more pronounced, how will a jet like this pass environmental muster? This and the various companies developing low orbit space craft - how does this all mesh with the coming wave of regulations?

      The VERY SAME PEOPLE singing to you the mantra about Global Warming will be this jets primary passenger market.
       
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      Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:19 pm

      "We expect to be airborne by early next year" -2022

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      "We expect to be airborne by early next year" -2024

      "We expect to be airborne by early next year" -2025

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      Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

      Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:43 am

      atcsundevil wrote:
      This is very cool, but it's like a concept car — everyone wants one, but it'll never be built. This is a great marketing ploy by Virgin, but until they get their hands on a spare $50 billion, it won't be anything more than a great marketing ploy.


      :thumbsup: This is just an attempt at getting some spotlight due to all the fanfare & spotlight on SpaceX. They are trying to remain relevant in the game.
      They've done this before.


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      Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:20 am

      3.5 hours to get to your 14 day quarentine that much quicker.

      If we're dreaming about ways for the Rich and Famous to travel, how about a ship, with all the amenities, separated such that your personal bubble can quarentine along the way?

      I mean, it may be as impractical, but at least you don't have to badger RR into pretending to be interested in an engine. Their maritime sister corporation already has you covered.
       
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      Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:41 am

      I like it quarantine on you're way . I'm surprised Cunard haven't marketed that yet .
      It is a nice drawing . I think to deal breaker with commercial supersonic travel will be in engine development . The reaction engines hybrid jet/rocket looked promising l, not sure where that is now
       
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      Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:24 am

      In long run VS can operate hourly LCY-LGA supersonic service.
       
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      Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:52 am

      wingman wrote:
      The advancements in renderings are incredible. It's amazing the technological leaps that have happened in supersonic aircraft development since the Concorde stopped flying so many years ago. I feel confident that very soon we'll have even more impressive renderings. I'm hoping for a bit more red and pink in the next generation, I feel that would add so much to the impression of supersonic flight while standing still on a 2D piece of paper. I know it's a long shot but with Space X leading the way I'm hopeful. Come on Cyan 7, you can do it!


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      lhrnue wrote:
      Who in marketing came up with 9 to 19 passenger instead of 10 to 20?


      Conversion of metric passengers to imperial for us yanks.
       
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      Why have they always used the all-seeing eye as their logo?
       
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      Partnering with Rolls Royce? It’s very smart to get in bed with the company that bankrupts itself every single time they try to develop an engine.


      :lol: Let's hope they won't screw up the UltraFan, I'd hate to see the A350neo hit a snag.
       
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      Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

      Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:39 am

      x1234 wrote:
      Flying time gets cut by 2/3rds instead of the 1/2 by the Concorde. LHR-JFK in 2.5 hours? LAX-SYD in 5 hours? LAX-HND in 3.75 hours? LAX-HKG in 5 hours? LAX-SIN in 5.5 hours? THIS WILL REVOLUTIONIZE AIR TRAVEL!


      A steam-operated catapult whipping that thing up to 10km altitude (with enginges off), then having gigantic balloons lift it up to 20km, and then having whatever new-generation propulsion system to take it to the other side of the globe in 60 mins, and have it land by using electric propulsion only. Give it 100-200 seats, one-way ticket should not cost more than 500USD. THAT would revolutionize air travel.

      This is just another daydream for the ultra-wealthy elite, just like Virgin Galactic spaceflights are just a roller coaster ride for the ultra-wealthy. Of course Branson being part of that group of people, it's no wonder that this is the kind of "innovation" he can come up with. He could also revolutionize champagne, by offering an exclusive bottle for a really ridiculous price, for the ultra-rich. It would be so expensive that it has to taste at least a bit better than a normal champagne. Why not have a vineyeard on the LEO, that would be something. Or the first one on Mars! Even if the champagne is imported from earth and the rest is just for show, still it would be really cool for the rich who already have everything.
       
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      Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

      Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:39 am

      wingman wrote:
      The advancements in renderings are incredible. It's amazing the technological leaps that have happened in supersonic aircraft development since the Concorde stopped flying so many years ago. I feel confident that very soon we'll have even more impressive renderings. I'm hoping for a bit more red and pink in the next generation, I feel that would add so much to the impression of supersonic flight while standing still on a 2D piece of paper. I know it's a long shot but with Space X leading the way I'm hopeful. Come on Cyan 7, you can do it!



      Spot on!

      This is essentially eye-candy...a good way to get a little --but only a little-- publicity...something that someone with Branson's outsized ego needs like the air that he breathes...


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      Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

      Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:50 am

      lightsaber wrote:
      atcsundevil wrote:
      This is very cool, but it's like a concept car — everyone wants one, but it'll never be built. This is a great marketing ploy by Virgin, but until they get their hands on a spare $50 billion, it won't be anything more than a great marketing ploy.

      It is like a concept car. Everyone wants one until they see the price.

      I agree with you, Virgin does not have the cash. Neat images, but nothing more.

      In the book SkyGods, it mentions how every new hire PanAm pilot was told how they would be SST pilots, that didn't work out...

      The most expensive part is the engine. GE could use the CFM-56 in an updated F101 configuration for their plans. I have no idea what engine RR could convert.

      Lightsaber


      Rolls Royce did design some mid-tandem fan engines, but my understanding was that these were for the Mach 2.4 Alliance and the similar BAe AST3 aircraft. I’m unsure if it would be suitable here.

      What engines was the Aerospatiale AGV using? It was planned more than M4.0 if I remember right.
       
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      Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

      Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:58 am

      Cut out the middle man. Just make Flight Simulator 2025 so realistic for both armchair pilots and passengers, then we won't have to travel at all. Any trip would be light speed, to anywhere.
      Your computer just got better
       
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      Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:06 pm

      MohawkWeekend wrote:
      How come Branson gets a pass on these environmental dinosaurs? I mean everyone else in all segments of transportation are getting hammered for their impact and no one says boo about this and rocket trips to 200,000 feet for a view? I pretty sure whatever powers this and the rockets (Elon Musk too ) aren't burning pixie dust. (FYI - I've got no problem with the rockets being used for legitimate science)


      I've got no problem with rockets (or any other transportation) being used for any reason. Whatever portion of "climate change" is caused by fossil fuel use, aviation and space flight are an insignificant contributor. A falcon 9 (both stages) uses 29,600 gallons of RP-1 for a launch. A sub orbital rocket will use far less fuel per trip. My one local Costco probably dispenses almost twice that amount of fuel every day and that is just one gas station.

      To me it is very hypocritical to decide what uses of fuel are "legitimate" and therefore OK. To me, space tourism is just as legitimate as a handful of astronauts getting to go play on the ISS.
       
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      Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

      Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:58 pm

      According to globaleconomy.com stats here is the following:

      "Jet fuel consumption, thousand barrels per day, 2019 - Country rankings: The average for 2019 based on 36 countries was 113.23 thousand barrels per day.The highest value was in the USA: 1739.93 thousand barrels per day and the lowest value was in Slovenia: 0.57 thousand barrels per day. The indicator is available from 1980 to 2019. Below is a chart for all countries where data are available".

      So the US alone consumed 1.8 million barrels a day. Remember on top of that it take more oil to to refine those 1.8 million barrels and more oil to ship the jet fuel to the airport. So lets say 2 billion barrels a day just for US airlines. Or roughly 10% of US oil consumption. I spent my entire career in the oil, aviation and shipping (real ships) industry - If you don't think certain politicians in Europe and North America have plans for that, good luck.

      Of course COVID-19 changes those numbers dramatically - no airlines flying means people might not notice the impact of a mach 3 airliner at 60,000 feet. On second thought - i think they will.
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        Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

        Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:44 pm

        MohawkWeekend wrote:
        According to globaleconomy.com stats here is the following:

        "Jet fuel consumption, thousand barrels per day, 2019 - Country rankings: The average for 2019 based on 36 countries was 113.23 thousand barrels per day.The highest value was in the USA: 1739.93 thousand barrels per day and the lowest value was in Slovenia: 0.57 thousand barrels per day. The indicator is available from 1980 to 2019. Below is a chart for all countries where data are available".

        So the US alone consumed 1.8 million barrels a day. Remember on top of that it take more oil to to refine those 1.8 million barrels and more oil to ship the jet fuel to the airport. So lets say 2 billion barrels a day just for US airlines. Or roughly 10% of US oil consumption. I spent my entire career in the oil, aviation and shipping (real ships) industry - If you don't think certain politicians in Europe and North America have plans for that, good luck.

        Of course COVID-19 changes those numbers dramatically - no airlines flying means people might not notice the impact of a mach 3 airliner at 60,000 feet. On second thought - i think they will.
         
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        Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

        Fri Aug 07, 2020 1:11 am

        TYWoolman wrote:
        I wonder if such aircraft can be used by governments for emergency transport, cargo, emergency medical, evacuation, etc... Air Force One?

        They are looking at something a little bit different..... :eyepopping: .....

        https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing ... 62.article

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        Re: Virgin Galactic unveils Mach 3 Aircraft design

        Fri Aug 07, 2020 1:19 am

        All the while, VS is on the verge of oblivion... Seriously “Sir Richie” dump this pipe dream and put that money into saving Virgin Atlantic! Get your priorities straight!!

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