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Corporate version of A220 proposed.

Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:04 am

Forgive me if this has been posted already.

https://www.businessinsider.com/airbus- ... ts-down-33
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Re: Corporate version of A220 proposed.

Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:21 am

Its about time. Should have been a consideration from early on. Smaller than a BBJ 737 & ABJ A318, but larger than the Global Express & Gulfstream jets and more range than Embraer's offerings. Could be a great success.
 
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Re: Corporate version of A220 proposed.

Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:38 am

Sounds like a great alternative to the ACJ and BBJ models.

Any chance for a range bump?
 
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Re: Corporate version of A220 proposed.

Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:49 am

This must have been a planned presentation for Farnborough. I see adds at aviation websites for the last 2 months.

What I haven't heard about is orders. The first half dozen orders are tough. I wish this project well,

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Re: Corporate version of A220 proposed.

Tue Aug 04, 2020 2:49 am

Makes sense, could see its use in corporate shuttles and probably travel for heads of state.
 
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Re: Corporate version of A220 proposed.

Tue Aug 04, 2020 2:54 am

It had been looked at very early on, before first flight even. BBD didn’t want a bizjet version as a distraction to initial sales efforts. Like all airliner conversions, size is its one and only advantage. For buyers, size is good or bad, but range, speed and cruising levels become detractions. Most buyers want to fly above airliners, at M.83 or better and do it for a long time, even if they rarely use it. Ground support can be an issue if you want to fly into TEB, VNY, APA, ASE, EGGW, etc.
 
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Re: Corporate version of A220 proposed.

Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:53 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
It had been looked at very early on, before first flight even. BBD didn’t want a bizjet version as a distraction to initial sales efforts. Like all airliner conversions, size is its one and only advantage. For buyers, size is good or bad, but range, speed and cruising levels become detractions. Most buyers want to fly above airliners, at M.83 or better and do it for a long time, even if they rarely use it. Ground support can be an issue if you want to fly into TEB, VNY, APA, ASE, EGGW, etc.

And the Airbus acquisition probably included a restraint period, where an executive jet version couldn't be offered to protect the Global family.
 
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Re: Corporate version of A220 proposed.

Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:29 pm

UA748i wrote:
Sounds like a great alternative to the ACJ and BBJ models.

Any chance for a range bump?


Of course there's many variables, but looking at 73G vs BBJ ranges, I could see the A220 CJ with a range bump to 5000-5500 miles depending on configuration.
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Re: Corporate version of A220 proposed.

Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:48 pm

smartplane wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
It had been looked at very early on, before first flight even. BBD didn’t want a bizjet version as a distraction to initial sales efforts. Like all airliner conversions, size is its one and only advantage. For buyers, size is good or bad, but range, speed and cruising levels become detractions. Most buyers want to fly above airliners, at M.83 or better and do it for a long time, even if they rarely use it. Ground support can be an issue if you want to fly into TEB, VNY, APA, ASE, EGGW, etc.

And the Airbus acquisition probably included a restraint period, where an executive jet version couldn't be offered to protect the Global family.


Possibly, but the A220 isn’t really a competitor to either Global types. Very different planes.
 
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Re: Corporate version of A220 proposed.

Tue Aug 04, 2020 2:36 pm

Probably revived in reaction to sluggish airliner sales due to the pandemic. There was even a video presented two months ago.....

https://www.flightglobal.com/business-a ... 15.article


The range bump would likely come with the planned MTOW increase. However, an ACJ based on the A221 might garner more interest and have better prospects. :airplane:
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Re: Corporate version of A220 proposed.

Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:30 pm

Given that the A221 can also fly into LCY, a corporate version of the airplane should be appealing to London-based owners. I believe it is an ideal platform for owners seeking Transatlantic or Europe-Middle East connections.
 
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Re: Corporate version of A220 proposed.

Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:57 pm

Lavdumper69 wrote:
Given that the A221 can also fly into LCY, a corporate version of the airplane should be appealing to London-based owners. I believe it is an ideal platform for owners seeking Transatlantic or Europe-Middle East connections.


At LCY, an A220 has nowhere to park in the limited GA area and an airline isn’t giving up a gate even if an owner wanted to park there. For the private jet buyer, purpose-built bizjet makes a lot more sense, to wit, look to the very limited sales of ERJ-170/190 under the Lineage 1000 marketing name.
 
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Re: Corporate version of A220 proposed.

Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:15 pm

I would think the GTF would be a bit of a liability in the private jet segment - many more potential "unknown unknowns" that can't be mitigated without a fleet of aircraft to do gate swaps with.
 
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Re: Corporate version of A220 proposed.

Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:36 pm

115' wingspan is too large for Aspen (limit 95').

It doesn't have the performance of a Gulfstream or Global. Basically another ACJ or BBJ.
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Re: Corporate version of A220 proposed.

Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:22 pm

What is to stop an multi-millionaire now from purchasing an a220 now? And they using it an a private yet?

The BBJ/ACJ tags are more mArketing hype than anything else. Anyone with money could purchase one now, and pay to have it private jet cabin fitted out in one.
 
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Re: Corporate version of A220 proposed.

Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:31 pm

True enough, except for the backlog. Ask the owners of the 737 MAX BBJ how they feel about the grounding.
 
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Re: Corporate version of A220 proposed.

Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:35 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
True enough, except for the backlog. Ask the owners of the 737 MAX BBJ how they feel about the grounding.


Had any of those been delivered before the groundings?
 
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Re: Corporate version of A220 proposed.

Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:28 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
True enough, except for the backlog. Ask the owners of the 737 MAX BBJ how they feel about the grounding.


I wonder how many 737 MAX BBJ will actually be delivered? The mega wealthy love life a lot more than the poor and average folks do, after the MAX highly publicized saga I see them sticking with the first generation BBJ, ACJ and this proposed A220CJ.
 
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Re: Corporate version of A220 proposed.

Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:56 pm

Newark727 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
True enough, except for the backlog. Ask the owners of the 737 MAX BBJ how they feel about the grounding.


Had any of those been delivered before the groundings?


I think a few had, one was delivered at the NBAA Oct, 2018 plus several in completion centers. 21 are on order, how many will actually deliver is unknown.
 
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Re: Corporate version of A220 proposed.

Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:19 pm

I could see the A220 replacing BBJ's with Vegas casinos and Middle Eastern customers who value size. Most of the BBJ's are getting up there in age so a corporate version of an A220 with a 5000-6000nm range could take over that small market.

Sadly, it's a bit too large for SDL.

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