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JFK Old IAB Overwing Jetways

Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:19 pm

The old IAB at JFK had a total of 12 of these overwing jetways installed, presumably, sometime between 1969-1971.

Of all the pics I've pored over of 747's parked at at these gates, I can't seem to find a single one where the overwing jetway is actually being utilized. It always seems to be pulled up, back, and out of the way.

Does anybody here have a pic of one actually being used?

Thanks.
 
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:38 pm

C525C wrote:
The old IAB at JFK had a total of 12 of these overwing jetways installed, presumably, sometime between 1969-1971.

Of all the pics I've pored over of 747's parked at at these gates, I can't seem to find a single one where the overwing jetway is actually being utilized. It always seems to be pulled up, back, and out of the way.

Does anybody here have a pic of one actually being used?

Thanks.


Not sure if this is the IAB, but here is an over-wing jetway with a TWA 747.

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Re: JFK Old IAB Overwing Jetways

Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:44 pm

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C525C wrote:
The old IAB at JFK had a total of 12 of these overwing jetways installed, presumably, sometime between 1969-1971.

Of all the pics I've pored over of 747's parked at at these gates, I can't seem to find a single one where the overwing jetway is actually being utilized. It always seems to be pulled up, back, and out of the way.

Does anybody here have a pic of one actually being used?

Thanks.


Not sure if this is the IAB, but here is an over-wing jetway with a TWA 747.

That's LAX T3. That jetway didn't last long. I'm asking about JFK IAB only.
 
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Re: JFK Old IAB Overwing Jetways

Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:59 pm

For clarity, this is what I'm referring to:

countless images like this with 747's, or other widebodies, and the overwing jetway never seems to be utilized.




 
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Re: JFK Old IAB Overwing Jetways

Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:06 pm

DMPHL wrote:
C525C wrote:
The old IAB at JFK had a total of 12 of these overwing jetways installed, presumably, sometime between 1969-1971.

Of all the pics I've pored over of 747's parked at at these gates, I can't seem to find a single one where the overwing jetway is actually being utilized. It always seems to be pulled up, back, and out of the way.

Does anybody here have a pic of one actually being used?

Thanks.


Not sure if this is the IAB, but here is an over-wing jetway with a TWA 747.

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That's LAX, not JFK. I flew out of the IAB at JFK as late as the last year it was operational (awful terminal, windowless, dated, few amenities, cramped) and all I remember from then (and earlier in the 1980s and 1990s flying out of there) were the sharp pronged structures around the jetbridges, but no over wing jet bridges. Not sure if they were modified or not since the 1970s.
 
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Re: JFK Old IAB Overwing Jetways

Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:20 pm

I wonder if they were intended for SSTs that were being developed at that time. From what I recall, the Concorde, TU-144 and Boeing 2707 all had long landing gear meaning they sat high off the ground.
 
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:28 pm

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I wonder if they were intended for SSTs that were being developed at that time. From what I recall, the Concorde, TU-144 and Boeing 2707 all had long landing gear meaning they sat high off the ground.

That's what I'm thinking.
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:56 pm

The IAB was built in the propellor era, it was ill suited for 747’s and the fact that most foreign airlines at JFK had to use it is a national embarrassment. Could we have many foreigners first experience of America be a nice one. How bad it was shows why Terminal 1 at JFK was built by four leading foreign airlines.

Air France , Japan Airlines, Korean Air & Lufthansa got together to build a new terminal on the old Eastern site. Eventually the IAB was replaced by a new building built by the Schipol airport group from Amsterdam.
 
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Re: JFK Old IAB Overwing Jetways

Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:34 pm

A picture of one of the JFK IAB overwing air bridges in use is the holy grail of aviation photos, in my opinion. I honestly do not think one exists. Whether that is because they were never used (or used so briefly that no one captured a photo), I do not know.
 
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Re: JFK Old IAB Overwing Jetways

Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:56 pm

Great reply / post from 4 years ago about the use of these jetways at JFK https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=605957#p9671117
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Cointrin330 wrote:
all I remember from then (and earlier in the 1980s and 1990s flying out of there) were the sharp pronged structures around the jetbridges, but no over wing jet bridges. Not sure if they were modified or not since the 1970s.
All 12 remained full intact until the IAB was demolished to make way for T4.

Photo by Blaine Petersen, 1998:
 
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A picture of one of the JFK IAB overwing air bridges in use is the holy grail of aviation photos, in my opinion. I honestly do not think one exists. Whether that is because they were never used (or used so briefly that no one captured a photo), I do not know.
I'm determined to find one! I think it might get me into Wonka's Chocolate Factory!
 
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Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:10 pm

tistpaa727 wrote:
Great reply / post from 4 years ago about the use of these jetways at JFK https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=605957#p9671117
Thank you, that answers the "why" a pic of it being used is so hard to find!
 
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Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:04 pm

C525C wrote:
tistpaa727 wrote:
Great reply / post from 4 years ago about the use of these jetways at JFK https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=605957#p9671117
Thank you, that answers the "why" a pic of it being used is so hard to find!


Sounds like at least one is out there in the Port Authority archives. That's tantalizing!
 
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Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:04 pm

It seems like an awful lot of engineering and maintenance... Using 1 & 2, L&R even if just for deplaning seems like an easier solution, but as someone said the gates would have to be designed for it
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Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:48 pm

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It seems like an awful lot of engineering and maintenance... Using 1 & 2, L&R even if just for deplaning seems like an easier solution, but as someone said the gates would have to be designed for it


Agreed and a risk to damaging the skin on the wings and fuselage. A lot of unecessary features, but likely fewer design options exised then.
 
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Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:42 am

C525C wrote:
PresRDC wrote:
A picture of one of the JFK IAB overwing air bridges in use is the holy grail of aviation photos, in my opinion. I honestly do not think one exists. Whether that is because they were never used (or used so briefly that no one captured a photo), I do not know.
I'm determined to find one! I think it might get me into Wonka's Chocolate Factory!


Here are some of the Overwing airbridges at JFK. They aren’t in use but some photos of them. Okay never mind wont let me add them.
 
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PresRDC wrote:
A picture of one of the JFK IAB overwing air bridges in use is the holy grail of aviation photos, in my opinion. I honestly do not think one exists. Whether that is because they were never used (or used so briefly that no one captured a photo), I do not know.

And to think how much of a fuss some people made about installing upper deck bridges for the A380 :D
 
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Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:49 pm

When airlines like QANTAS and VS had all-747 fleets it seems like it would have made sense to have some gates specifically designed for it, with four short (pedestal?) jetways for doors 1 & 2, L&R and even belt loaders etc. that were optimized to the location of baggage doors and other service points on the lower deck. Now of course that would have to be retooled.
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Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:52 pm

varsity wrote:
When airlines like QANTAS and VS had all-747 fleets it seems like it would have made sense to have some gates specifically designed for it, with four short (pedestal?) jetways for doors 1 & 2, L&R and even belt loaders etc. that were optimized to the location of baggage doors and other service points on the lower deck. Now of course that would have to be retooled.


I remember in the 1980s boarding BA 747s at JFK through a gate configured to use doors 1L and 1R simultaneously. Passengers would use a specific jetbridge associated with their seat; one for those in ABCDE seats, the other for the FGHJK ones. It did speed up the boarding and disembarking process. I think it was discontinued as part of the terminal renovation (early 1990s?) so as to create an additional gate for Concorde services.
 
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Image

Here is one perhaps? One of the Alitalia 747 has the jet way connected from the overhang?
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Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:30 am

Love that JFK picture.... old school Queens of the Sky... as for the jetways, very interesting
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malaysia wrote:
Image

Here is one perhaps? One of the Alitalia 747 has the jet way connected from the overhang?

I see a jetbridge right of the SK 747, however where would the aircraft park? There seems no/not much space due to crossing verhicles underneath the wing.

Very nice picture though, love these pictures with all classic planes, with Concorde being the highlight of course.
 
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malaysia wrote:
Image

Here is one perhaps? One of the Alitalia 747 has the jet way connected from the overhang?

I see a jetbridge right of the SK 747, however where would the aircraft park? There seems no/not much space due to crossing verhicles underneath the wing.

Very nice picture though, love these pictures with all classic planes, with Concorde being the highlight of course.

I don’t think the Alitalia has the jet bridge connected over wing. The support mechanism is there, but that jetway actually looks gone. I see the overwing jetways for the Air France 747, Swissair 747 and SAS DC-10, but they all seem to be just dangling. I flew out of that terminal in the 80s on an Alitalia 747 to Milan. The other thing I noticed was having almost no windows in the terminal. I was accompanying my Dad. If my memory is correct, I believe we went into a lounge on the 2nd floor that had a window. I seem to remember being in aww of all the awesome int’l tails.
 
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Kbud wrote:
pythoniels wrote:
malaysia wrote:
Image

Here is one perhaps? One of the Alitalia 747 has the jet way connected from the overhang?

I see a jetbridge right of the SK 747, however where would the aircraft park? There seems no/not much space due to crossing verhicles underneath the wing.

Very nice picture though, love these pictures with all classic planes, with Concorde being the highlight of course.

I don’t think the Alitalia has the jet bridge connected over wing. The support mechanism is there, but that jetway actually looks gone. I see the overwing jetways for the Air France 747, Swissair 747 and SAS DC-10, but they all seem to be just dangling. I flew out of that terminal in the 80s on an Alitalia 747 to Milan. The other thing I noticed was having almost no windows in the terminal. I was accompanying my Dad. If my memory is correct, I believe we went into a lounge on the 2nd floor that had a window. I seem to remember being in aww of all the awesome int’l tails.


You are correct. The old IAB at JFK had very few windows post security and was a generally miserable place to fly from. The ceilings were low at the wings on each end. The central part of the structure was also generally windowless, charmless, and could get crowded at peak times. Check in areas were at street level and one thing that was very cool about the IAB was all the individual airline signage on the front of the building by each company's dedicated area. The gates themselves had large signs that would light up "BOARDING" and flash "BOARDING" in an orange/red lighting. A lot (but not all) of the airline lounges were upstairs and faced the roadway, and most were simply not nice. I flew out of there as a kid many times on AZ and SR growing up. My last flight out of the IAB was on VS 10 to LHR in August 1998 (the last VS departure for the day out of JFK at 11:10pm). We left from the same gate that the SR 747 is parked at in this photo. The HVAC failed in the terminal that afternoon and it was stifling. The IAB was a relic of the early days of jet travel when most of these buildings were built and designed poorly and with little thought to expansion and of course, not designed for the security requirements of later years, up to and post 9/11. However, this is a very cool photo and a reminder of the broad diversity of airlines that rule JFK operations.
 
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Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:43 pm

Not a plane to be seen at T2.
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Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:48 pm

Kbud wrote:
pythoniels wrote:
malaysia wrote:
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Here is one perhaps? One of the Alitalia 747 has the jet way connected from the overhang?

I see a jetbridge right of the SK 747, however where would the aircraft park? There seems no/not much space due to crossing verhicles underneath the wing.

Very nice picture though, love these pictures with all classic planes, with Concorde being the highlight of course.

I don’t think the Alitalia has the jet bridge connected over wing. The support mechanism is there, but that jetway actually looks gone.

Agreed. It looks like a catering truck or something.
 
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Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:40 pm

Always thought this was an interesting topic for discussion. Especially since JFK was the only airport to purchase these 12 very unique structures.
From my viewpoint- they were a product of the flashy beginning of wide body travel. First used (successfully in AMS), the PANYNJ wanted to show the world that they were also ready for the modern wide body era by investing in these over wing units. To ease the public's concern about lengthy boarding times, it was envisioned that JFK would be recognized for its high level of efficiency as the armada of 747's descended upon them in the early 70's. As mentioned in previous posts, they looked cool but weren't very functional in the rough and tumble New York airport market. They had lots of moving parts which broke down, and required additional staffing to monitor the overawing section. As we've learned, 747's really only need one main cabin door for boarding so the over wings were essential never used. I used to frequent JFK for many years, and never once saw them in action. To find a photo of one in use would indeed be rare.

By the mid 80's, you can see that the roofs were going bad because they had to re roof every single one with a black tar. In the 90's, some of the overwing bridges had rusted so badly, they were removed. And of course, as the 747 era began to give way to smaller aircraft, the need was extinguished and the entrire units were removed in early 2000's with the advent of the new Terminal 4.

They were very intricate structures and always looked impressive amidst the acres of airliners docked to them.
 
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OzarkD9S wrote:
Not a plane to be seen at T2.


Guessing this was taken in the mid to late 1980s. T2 then was the Delta & Northwest terminal (how ironic the two would merge 20 or so years later). Neither airline had much of a footprint at JFK. NW had begun to shift its small TATL operation to BOS. DL was mainly Florida, SLC, and I think they flew to LAX 3 times a day (they made a big splash in the NY market announcing that service when it started). Also cool to see what looks like a JAT DC10-30 at the Worldport, between a PA 747 and a PA 727.
 
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Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:04 pm

Also, look at the original Terminal One. Is that an EA 747?
 
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The other thing I noticed was having almost no windows in the terminal. I was accompanying my Dad. If my memory is correct, I believe we went into a lounge on the 2nd floor that had a window. I seem to remember being in aww of all the awesome int’l tails.


This will bring back memories:

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Also, look at the original Terminal One. Is that an EA 747?


No, the photo is post 1983 as the SR 747-357 was not delivered until then.
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C525C wrote:
The old IAB at JFK had a total of 12 of these overwing jetways installed, presumably, sometime between 1969-1971.

Of all the pics I've pored over of 747's parked at at these gates, I can't seem to find a single one where the overwing jetway is actually being utilized. It always seems to be pulled up, back, and out of the way.

Does anybody here have a pic of one actually being used?

Thanks.


Not sure if this is the IAB, but here is an over-wing jetway with a TWA 747.

Image


Almost looks like the D1 jetway goes from departure lounges to board the plane and the overwing one goes down to what could be international arrivals hallways.
The L1011 next to the 747 also has one to D1 moving down from departure level as well & the D2 jetway drops down to the lower level as well.
Maybe in at front & out to customs from rear or D2 ?
 
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rbavfan wrote:
DMPHL wrote:
C525C wrote:
The old IAB at JFK had a total of 12 of these overwing jetways installed, presumably, sometime between 1969-1971.

Of all the pics I've pored over of 747's parked at at these gates, I can't seem to find a single one where the overwing jetway is actually being utilized. It always seems to be pulled up, back, and out of the way.

Does anybody here have a pic of one actually being used?

Thanks.


Not sure if this is the IAB, but here is an over-wing jetway with a TWA 747.

Image


Almost looks like the D1 jetway goes from departure lounges to board the plane and the overwing one goes down to what could be international arrivals hallways.
The L1011 next to the 747 also has one to D1 moving down from departure level as well & the D2 jetway drops down to the lower level as well.
Maybe in at front & out to customs from rear or D2 ?


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Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:58 am

I agree thats a catering truck on 4L on the Alitalia. LAXffDUB that would have been at the British Airways building, not the IAB.

"Recapturing the Dream" by Mark Blacklock is an interesting tome covering the terminal architecture at JFK, with loads of photos, but the IAB chapter, alas does not have any airside images post airbridge installation.
 
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Also, look at the original Terminal One. Is that an EA 747?


Definitely not an EA aircraft as this photo was taken well into the 1980s. Many Pan Am 747s at the Worldport feature the billboard livery, as others pointed out, the Swissair 747 is a -300, which was first delivered in 1982/83. Eastern very briefly operated the 747 and that was in the very early 1970s.
 
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rbavfan wrote:
DMPHL wrote:

Not sure if this is the IAB, but here is an over-wing jetway with a TWA 747.

Image


Almost looks like the D1 jetway goes from departure lounges to board the plane and the overwing one goes down to what could be international arrivals hallways.
The L1011 next to the 747 also has one to D1 moving down from departure level as well & the D2 jetway drops down to the lower level as well.
Maybe in at front & out to customs from rear or D2 ?


This photo is of LAX T3.


Yes, this has been previously established upthread.
 
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Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:28 pm

The aircraft at Eastern's Terminal 1 in the aerial photo is a British Caledonian 747-200. It flew into JFK for a short time. Eastern offered to handle it for them.
 
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Not to change the subject but Pan Am had 3 airbridges at each gate as well as separate boarding lounges. The first two went to L1 and L2 with the third hooked up to R2.These were put up in advance of the 747's coming to JFK. However, they didn't last too long as the airbridge on the right side of the plane interfered with catering and ramp loading. Since there was a huge drop-off in passenger traffic, the third bridge on the right side of the planes was removed entirely.
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Also, look at the original Terminal One. Is that an EA 747?


Could be British Caledonian 747. They arrived at the IAB and departed from the EAL terminal. That would be consistent with the light marking (lion?) on a dark tail.
 
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Yes. Here again...due to the newness of the wide bodies, the public and the airport designers were concerned that pax delays would incur if you didnt have enough entries and exits for 385+people. Thus they overbuilt the number of jet bridge connections at the Pan Am Worldport. I think in a separate thread, it was discussed that the R2 bridge quickly fell out of favor for several reasons including the fact that paxs had to wait at a different boarding area with limited communication, extra staffing, and the previously mentioned ramp clutter of equipment on the "service side" (right side) of the aircraft. Most times i only saw them use the L2 bridge.
 
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Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:16 pm

Agree. BCal 747-200 at Eastern Terminal. Alot of international carriers towed their aircraft to depart at other, less congested terminals. Ground handling by Eastern.
 
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Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:05 am

Why didn’t the old international terminal have windows?

it was truly an awful experience inside and out and I can’t imagine it was much better when it was new. even when it was expanded in the 60s and 70s who doesn’t want windows?

And who doesn’t want to see a plane that they’re about to get on?

So Bizarre.
 
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Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:09 pm

I think the old IAB didn't have many windows for a few reasons. It was more function over form and in the late 60's, they were in a race to expand the building. Back then, they had a magnificent observation deck that ran the length of the main east and west wings. All of the boarding was via air stairs. Most memorable photo of that time was when the Beatles arrived for the first time. You can see hundreds of people on the West wing observation deck looking down on the arrival. By the late 60's it was a race to double the size of the terminal in preparation for the 747's coming. They just didn't have the time (or money) to spend on a fancy TWA/ Pan Am type windowed terminal. Unfortunately, with the expansion, the long observation deck was lost to other support structures. The interior was very dark and claustrophobic. But many international carriers only had one flight a day so it didn't really matter to them. The fact that the building lasted for 45 years is a testament to its function. We've come a long way in airport design since those days.
 
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Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:13 pm

Flysmart1 wrote:
The aircraft at Eastern's Terminal 1 in the aerial photo is a British Caledonian 747-200. It flew into JFK for a short time. Eastern offered to handle it for them.


British Caledonian did indeed fly LGW-JFK on the 747 in the 1980s and BCAL operated from the EA Terminal, that's why it is parked there.
 
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Re: JFK Old IAB Overwing Jetways

Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:17 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
Why didn’t the old international terminal have windows?

it was truly an awful experience inside and out and I can’t imagine it was much better when it was new. even when it was expanded in the 60s and 70s who doesn’t want windows?

And who doesn’t want to see a plane that they’re about to get on?

So Bizarre.


Agreed, it was really a depressing place to transit through and other than one area atop the building, there were no windows. The whole place felt like an office building and had the charm and efficiency of the DMV. What was unique about it (other than those jet bridges), were the individual check in areas for each airline on the street level, and from the little that I do remember, each one was designed in a different way, according to the airline operating it. They were not nice, efficient, or notably pleasant, but it was like you were stepping into the country you were about to travel to. Like a lot of Idlewild/JFK's terminals built in the late 1950s and early 1960s, most were simply not designed with an eye toward expansion and seemed to be build to cater solely to what aviation was at that moment in time.
 
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Re: JFK Old IAB Overwing Jetways

Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:19 pm

Was there a maintenance structure or catering facility between the IAB and the TWA Flight Center wing that was closest to the IAB? I seem to recall something was there, I just don't remember what it is. If you look at the "Leading The Way, TWA" one minute ad from 1985, there is a 747 parked next to something that looks like a large shed.
 
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Re: JFK Old IAB Overwing Jetways

Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:36 pm

Not that i recall. The short walk from the corner of the East Wing of the IAB to the TWA Flight Center was clear of structures. In fact you would typical see a Lufthansa 747 nosed in at gate 10 of the IAB.
 
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Re: JFK Old IAB Overwing Jetways

Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:18 pm

DL_Mech wrote:
Kbud wrote:
The other thing I noticed was having almost no windows in the terminal. I was accompanying my Dad. If my memory is correct, I believe we went into a lounge on the 2nd floor that had a window. I seem to remember being in aww of all the awesome int’l tails.


This will bring back memories:

http://youtu.be/iqlJCEqxpoY

Great video for the JFK scene and I love Letterman. I obviously wasn't close to this restaurant as there were no windows where I always was in that terminal :) . 747s and DC10s galore.
 
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Re: JFK Old IAB Overwing Jetways

Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:08 pm

That was behind the TWA terminal near the taxiway. Parcel Zulu. B6 parks planes there now

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