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Cointrin330 wrote:OzarkD9S wrote:Not a plane to be seen at T2.
Guessing this was taken in the mid to late 1980s.
sjones1975 wrote:Cointrin330 wrote:OzarkD9S wrote:Not a plane to be seen at T2.
Guessing this was taken in the mid to late 1980s.
I think the picture was taken sometime between 1983 and 1987. There’s a Swissair 747-300 at at IAB. Swissair received its first 747-300 in March 1983. There’s also a SAS 747 in the picture. SAS got rid of its last 747 in 1987. Can anyone spot anything else that would further narrow the time range in which this photo was taken?
sjones1975 wrote:I think the picture was taken sometime between 1983 and 1987. There’s a Swissair 747-300 at at IAB. Swissair received its first 747-300 in March 1983. There’s also a SAS 747 in the picture. SAS got rid of its last 747 in 1987. Can anyone spot anything else that would further narrow the time range in which this photo was taken?
DL_Mech wrote:The photo in question shows the early JT9D engines with a ten window upper deck. Only a couple of SAS 747s had that configuration. Anyone here a SAS 747 expert?
From: https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/attachments/forum12/71387d1319926158-photo5.jpg
DL_Mech wrote:DL_Mech wrote:The photo in question shows the early JT9D engines with a ten window upper deck. Only a couple of SAS 747s had that configuration. Anyone here a SAS 747 expert?
From: https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/attachments/forum12/71387d1319926158-photo5.jpg
Also, a lot of windows are blanked out above the cargo door (galley?).
Still trying to figure out the 747 at terminal one. Looks similar to a BA Landor with an Atlas Air tail. I believe an Eastern A300 is just below it.
Flysmart1 wrote:Here is another forum thread on the subject of SK's move from JFK to EWR. They moved to EWR Terminal C in conjunction with the new alliance with CO. They started with a OSL-EWR flight on May 1, 1989 and eventually moved all of their flights by the end of the year. By then, the passenger/ combi 747's were gone and they were operating brand new B767's.
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BCAL operated the 747-200 from LGW-JFK n their full colors from the summer of 1985 - 1989. That would put the JFK aerial photo of the IAB at about 1985-86.
eta unknown wrote:The picture is circa 1985-1987. BCAL (that is definitely one of their 747's at Terminal 1) reintroduced LGW-JFK services in 1985 and SAS ditched their last 747 in 1987. I'd bet 1987 as there's a Nigeria Airways DC-10 at IAB and IIRC in 1986 (the last year I lived in NYC) they were still using the BA Terminal.- I think BA got tired of dealing with WT and evicted them.
Cointrin330 wrote:DL_Mech wrote:DL_Mech wrote:The photo in question shows the early JT9D engines with a ten window upper deck. Only a couple of SAS 747s had that configuration. Anyone here a SAS 747 expert?
From: https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/attachments/forum12/71387d1319926158-photo5.jpg
Also, a lot of windows are blanked out above the cargo door (galley?).
Still trying to figure out the 747 at terminal one. Looks similar to a BA Landor with an Atlas Air tail. I believe an Eastern A300 is just below it.
The 747 parked at the Eastern Air Lines Terminal (predecessor to T1) has been identified further up in this thread as British Caledonian, which started passenger flights between LGW and JFK in 1985. BCAL used the EA terminal.
wernerga3 wrote:Ultimately eastern launched the L1011 which was supposed to be the better fit, but ended up being a headache for them.
quiet1 wrote:wernerga3 wrote:Ultimately eastern launched the L1011 which was supposed to be the better fit, but ended up being a headache for them.
Do you have links to a readable version of those articles? They look like interesting reading.
Flysmart1 wrote:Getting back to the original topic- When the JFK IAB Bridges were installed in 1970, they had three jetways. Two apron drive units for L-1 (First Class), L-2 for Business/ Economy, and over wing L-4 for straight economy. Around 1990, they replaced the two apron drives with one single apron drive in the L-1 position.
Further justification that a wide body like the 747 can enplane/ deplane just fine with one bridge.
Cointrin330 wrote:Kbud wrote:pythoniels wrote:I see a jetbridge right of the SK 747, however where would the aircraft park? There seems no/not much space due to crossing verhicles underneath the wing.
Very nice picture though, love these pictures with all classic planes, with Concorde being the highlight of course.
I don’t think the Alitalia has the jet bridge connected over wing. The support mechanism is there, but that jetway actually looks gone. I see the overwing jetways for the Air France 747, Swissair 747 and SAS DC-10, but they all seem to be just dangling. I flew out of that terminal in the 80s on an Alitalia 747 to Milan. The other thing I noticed was having almost no windows in the terminal. I was accompanying my Dad. If my memory is correct, I believe we went into a lounge on the 2nd floor that had a window. I seem to remember being in aww of all the awesome int’l tails.
You are correct. The old IAB at JFK had very few windows post security and was a generally miserable place to fly from. The ceilings were low at the wings on each end. The central part of the structure was also generally windowless, charmless, and could get crowded at peak times. Check in areas were at street level and one thing that was very cool about the IAB was all the individual airline signage on the front of the building by each company's dedicated area. The gates themselves had large signs that would light up "BOARDING" and flash "BOARDING" in an orange/red lighting. A lot (but not all) of the airline lounges were upstairs and faced the roadway, and most were simply not nice. I flew out of there as a kid many times on AZ and SR growing up. My last flight out of the IAB was on VS 10 to LHR in August 1998 (the last VS departure for the day out of JFK at 11:10pm). We left from the same gate that the SR 747 is parked at in this photo. The HVAC failed in the terminal that afternoon and it was stifling. The IAB was a relic of the early days of jet travel when most of these buildings were built and designed poorly and with little thought to expansion and of course, not designed for the security requirements of later years, up to and post 9/11. However, this is a very cool photo and a reminder of the broad diversity of airlines that rule JFK operations.
varsity wrote:Cointrin330 wrote:Kbud wrote:I don’t think the Alitalia has the jet bridge connected over wing. The support mechanism is there, but that jetway actually looks gone. I see the overwing jetways for the Air France 747, Swissair 747 and SAS DC-10, but they all seem to be just dangling. I flew out of that terminal in the 80s on an Alitalia 747 to Milan. The other thing I noticed was having almost no windows in the terminal. I was accompanying my Dad. If my memory is correct, I believe we went into a lounge on the 2nd floor that had a window. I seem to remember being in aww of all the awesome int’l tails.
You are correct. The old IAB at JFK had very few windows post security and was a generally miserable place to fly from. The ceilings were low at the wings on each end. The central part of the structure was also generally windowless, charmless, and could get crowded at peak times. Check in areas were at street level and one thing that was very cool about the IAB was all the individual airline signage on the front of the building by each company's dedicated area. The gates themselves had large signs that would light up "BOARDING" and flash "BOARDING" in an orange/red lighting. A lot (but not all) of the airline lounges were upstairs and faced the roadway, and most were simply not nice. I flew out of there as a kid many times on AZ and SR growing up. My last flight out of the IAB was on VS 10 to LHR in August 1998 (the last VS departure for the day out of JFK at 11:10pm). We left from the same gate that the SR 747 is parked at in this photo. The HVAC failed in the terminal that afternoon and it was stifling. The IAB was a relic of the early days of jet travel when most of these buildings were built and designed poorly and with little thought to expansion and of course, not designed for the security requirements of later years, up to and post 9/11. However, this is a very cool photo and a reminder of the broad diversity of airlines that rule JFK operations.
I was only in this building late in its life, but I thought it was so interesting/strange to check in through the individual "storefronts" which I guess were built for one airline but by that point were sometimes shared by two or three. I remember flying Pan Am, the Sequel, out of the EWD ... they shared their space with RJ and FI, and in fact I think FI ground staff did our check-in. Then you had to go up a flight of stairs/escalator (and I think the airline lounges were in that space upstairs) and go through a door to reach the gates. Security seemed almost invisible ... just the most basic X-ray as you entered each gate area.
I also recall the lack of windows... my buddy and I used to hang out in that upstairs restaurant behind the central departures board just to be able to see out, but we also made fast friends with Fr. Divine, the Catholic priest who staffed the chapel, and he let us planespot out his office window.
