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What was the FIRST airline to cross the South Pacific (Chile/Argentina to NZ/AUS) and Atlantic (BR-SA)

Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:00 am

I was wondering what was the FIRST airline to cross the South Pacific (Chile/Argentina to NZ/AUS) and Atlantic (BR-SA). I believe it was SAA that started JNB-GIG-JFK with the 707. In the South Pacific I believe it was Aerolinas Argentinas EZE-RGL-AKL-HKG in 1970. In 2002 LAN Chile started SCL-AKL-SYD with the A343: https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... -airlines/

Its too bad Air New Zealand left EZE as it was a fast way to fly EZE-AKL-Asia.
 
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Re: What was the FIRST airline to cross the South Pacific (Chile/Argentina to NZ/AUS) and Atlantic (BR-SA)

Fri Aug 07, 2020 1:29 am

The first scheduled flight for SAA from JNB-GIG-JFK was on 25 February 1969. Aerolineas Argentinas launched EZE-RGL-AKL-HKG on 7 June 1980 with a 747SP.
 
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Re: What was the FIRST airline to cross the South Pacific (Chile/Argentina to NZ/AUS) and Atlantic (BR-SA)

Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:23 am

DETA737 wrote:
The first scheduled flight for SAA from JNB-GIG-JFK was on 25 February 1969. Aerolineas Argentinas launched EZE-RGL-AKL-HKG on 7 June 1980 with a 747SP.


AR's single 747SP never made it to AKL, it was used in services to Europe and the US. The first service to AKL was operated by LV-MLR, a 747-287B; until the A340s arrived to the fleet in 1998, AR's Southern Seas services were always operated by the 747-287B.
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Re: What was the FIRST airline to cross the South Pacific (Chile/Argentina to NZ/AUS) and Atlantic (BR-SA)

Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:44 am

DETA737 wrote:
The first scheduled flight for SAA from JNB-GIG-JFK was on 25 February 1969. Aerolineas Argentinas launched EZE-RGL-AKL-HKG on 7 June 1980 with a 747SP.

I took the AR flight between EZE and AKL several times when it had the RGL stopover, but it didn’t continue to HKG. Can you provide a source for HKG? I’d be fascinated.
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Re: What was the FIRST airline to cross the South Pacific (Chile/Argentina to NZ/AUS) and Atlantic (BR-SA)

Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:13 am

DavidByrne wrote:
DETA737 wrote:
The first scheduled flight for SAA from JNB-GIG-JFK was on 25 February 1969. Aerolineas Argentinas launched EZE-RGL-AKL-HKG on 7 June 1980 with a 747SP.

I took the AR flight between EZE and AKL several times when it had the RGL stopover, but it didn’t continue to HKG. Can you provide a source for HKG? I’d be fascinated.


to the best of my recollection, they talked about operating that route... but in fact the HKG service when ( briefly) operated actually went EZE-LAX-HKG - I am pretty sure it didn't last long.

The EZE-RGL-AKL-EZE flight started as a monthly flight, then went to fortnightly, then to weekly - at it's peak in terms of capacity I think it was a three times weekly flight with a 747-200 , though when it went to the A340 I seem to remember it being up to 4 times weekly .

I am pretty sure LAN did an experimental flight to SYD in the mid 70s with a 707 but that was a one time only ( I could be wrong, it's a very long time ago and I would've only been about 10 years old at the time )
 
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Re: What was the FIRST airline to cross the South Pacific (Chile/Argentina to NZ/AUS) and Atlantic (BR-SA)

Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:44 am

Kiwiandrew wrote:
DavidByrne wrote:
DETA737 wrote:
The first scheduled flight for SAA from JNB-GIG-JFK was on 25 February 1969. Aerolineas Argentinas launched EZE-RGL-AKL-HKG on 7 June 1980 with a 747SP.

I took the AR flight between EZE and AKL several times when it had the RGL stopover, but it didn’t continue to HKG. Can you provide a source for HKG? I’d be fascinated.


to the best of my recollection, they talked about operating that route... but in fact the HKG service when ( briefly) operated actually went EZE-LAX-HKG - I am pretty sure it didn't last long.

The EZE-RGL-AKL-EZE flight started as a monthly flight, then went to fortnightly, then to weekly - at it's peak in terms of capacity I think it was a three times weekly flight with a 747-200 , though when it went to the A340 I seem to remember it being up to 4 times weekly .

I am pretty sure LAN did an experimental flight to SYD in the mid 70s with a 707 but that was a one time only ( I could be wrong, it's a very long time ago and I would've only been about 10 years old at the time )


LAX-HKG would have been pretty long for a 742, CX never did it. I have heard of AKL-HKG on AR but no idea if it actually operated either.

I think 3 weekly EZE-RGL-AKL-SYD in NW was the highest on the 742, A342 ran up to 5 weekly in NW.
 
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Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:51 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
Kiwiandrew wrote:
DavidByrne wrote:
I took the AR flight between EZE and AKL several times when it had the RGL stopover, but it didn’t continue to HKG. Can you provide a source for HKG? I’d be fascinated.


to the best of my recollection, they talked about operating that route... but in fact the HKG service when ( briefly) operated actually went EZE-LAX-HKG - I am pretty sure it didn't last long.

The EZE-RGL-AKL-EZE flight started as a monthly flight, then went to fortnightly, then to weekly - at it's peak in terms of capacity I think it was a three times weekly flight with a 747-200 , though when it went to the A340 I seem to remember it being up to 4 times weekly .

I am pretty sure LAN did an experimental flight to SYD in the mid 70s with a 707 but that was a one time only ( I could be wrong, it's a very long time ago and I would've only been about 10 years old at the time )


LAX-HKG would have been pretty long for a 742, CX never did it. I have heard of AKL-HKG on AR but no idea if it actually operated either.

I think 3 weekly EZE-RGL-AKL-SYD in NW was the highest on the 742, A342 ran up to 5 weekly in NW.


Sorry, I should've been clearer .... the brief EZE-LAX-HKG was with the SP, not the -200
 
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Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:01 am

Below is a link to an ffc with the service to AKL and HKG. I have one myself somewhere, it appears that service to AKL and HKG was short-lived and was gone before 1983. Looking at some old OAGs, it appears to Aerolineas Argentinas resumed service to AKL in the mid90s. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Argentina-1980-Argentinian-Airlines-first-flight-cover-B-A-Auckland-Hong-Kon/392302732430?hash=item5b5710a48e:g:eFEAAOSwb39dlKMv
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Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:01 am

Kiwiandrew wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
Kiwiandrew wrote:

to the best of my recollection, they talked about operating that route... but in fact the HKG service when ( briefly) operated actually went EZE-LAX-HKG - I am pretty sure it didn't last long.

The EZE-RGL-AKL-EZE flight started as a monthly flight, then went to fortnightly, then to weekly - at it's peak in terms of capacity I think it was a three times weekly flight with a 747-200 , though when it went to the A340 I seem to remember it being up to 4 times weekly .

I am pretty sure LAN did an experimental flight to SYD in the mid 70s with a 707 but that was a one time only ( I could be wrong, it's a very long time ago and I would've only been about 10 years old at the time )


LAX-HKG would have been pretty long for a 742, CX never did it. I have heard of AKL-HKG on AR but no idea if it actually operated either.

I think 3 weekly EZE-RGL-AKL-SYD in NW was the highest on the 742, A342 ran up to 5 weekly in NW.


Sorry, I should've been clearer .... the brief EZE-LAX-HKG was with the SP, not the -200


AR never operated regularly to HKG. There were a couple (2) of flights in 1980 to demo the viability of the South Pole route to NZ/Australia and Asia and to pick up Argentina's president Jorge Videla who was on a state visit to China. I believe the return leg was via LAX on one of the 2.

The first flight over the Pole was done in 1973 with an Argentinian Air Force C-130 that flew EPA-RGL-Marambio Air Base in Antarctica and then on to Canberra. Then in 1974 LAN Chile did another proving flight without passengers on a 707 (CC-CEA IIRC) on the SCL-PUQ-SYD route.

That was it until AR started carrying passengers on the route from 1980 to 2014. QANTAS joined AR in 1998 on the SYD-AKL-EZE route. LAN Chile only began flying on the SCL-AKL-SYD route in 2000 or 2001.

Here's some info on the first ever flight from South America to Australia

http://www.marambio.aq/vuelotransantartico.html
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Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:08 am

DETA737 wrote:
Below is a link to an ffc with the service to AKL and HKG. I have one myself somewhere, it appears that service to AKL and HKG was short-lived and was gone before 1983. Looking at some old OAGs, it appears to Aerolineas Argentinas resumed service to AKL in the mid90s. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Argentina-1980-Argentinian-Airlines-first-flight-cover-B-A-Auckland-Hong-Kon/392302732430?hash=item5b5710a48e:g:eFEAAOSwb39dlKMv


The service operated until 1982, then interrupted following the Falklands conflict for obvious reasons, then reinstated in early 1984. Again, HKG was never operated regularly from AKL other than two proving runs in 1980.
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Re: What was the FIRST airline to cross the South Pacific (Chile/Argentina to NZ/AUS) and Atlantic (BR-SA)

Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:13 am

It appears the poster above me is correct, that this was only a proving flight in 1980, below is a better quality ffc, the one I have also says it's a commercial flight.

https://www.delcampe.net/en_GB/collectables/stamps/polar-philately/polar-flights/1980-primer-vuelo-comercial-transpolar-antartico-buenos-aires-auckland-hong-kong-aerolineas-argentinas-boeing-747-bleup-747109079.html

The blog link below does say that scheduled. service started in September of 1981 though was terminated in April of 1982. It resumed in September of 1984.

http://3rdlevelnz.blogspot.com/2012/06/adios-amigo-aerolineas-argentinas-bow.html?m=1
 
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Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:15 am

This is AR's schedule on the route back in 1985, when AR880/81 was operated fortnightly. Note that the aircraft would spend around 38 hours in AKL to allow for the crew's rest. Shortly after the flight's frequency was increased and the tag on to SYD added, and the lengthy ground stop at AKL was discontinued.

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Re: What was the FIRST airline to cross the South Pacific (Chile/Argentina to NZ/AUS) and Atlantic (BR-SA)

Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:17 am

In 1957 Aerolineas Agentinas operated TATL South America to Europe via Dakar with DC6.

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VARIG Brazilian Airlines crossed the Atlantic to Europe in the 1960's with B707:

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VARIG commenced operations to South Africa in 1971 with B707 GIG-JNB.

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First South African Airways timetable that I can find with JNB-GIG operated by SAA B707 is from 1972:

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Re: What was the FIRST airline to cross the South Pacific (Chile/Argentina to NZ/AUS) and Atlantic (BR-SA)

Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:23 am

Well, not exactly a regular route, and not exactly South Africa to Brazil, but these guys flew from southern part of Africa (as in, south of equator part of Africa) to Brazil:
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