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Purpose built missionary aircraft

Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:26 pm

A few years ago I read an article about an a twin engine pusher configuration aircraft that was custom built for this purpose

I’ve been trying to find information on this program lately with no luck


Anyone have any knowledge on this ? Unfortunately I don’t remember it’s name
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Re: Purpose built missionary aircraft

Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:47 pm

Guess you were thinking of the AAC44

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAC_Angel
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Re: Purpose built missionary aircraft

Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:25 am

The Quest Kodiak was developed for NGO's, medical evacuations and missionaries who need a rugged, but modern plane that can operate out of short, unimproved airstrips.

https://kodiak.aero
 
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Re: Purpose built missionary aircraft

Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:37 am

All of the samaritan purse planes?
 
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Re: Purpose built missionary aircraft

Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:47 am

zeke wrote:
Guess you were thinking of the AAC44

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAC_Angel



Good memory, that’s the one
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Re: Purpose built missionary aircraft

Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:20 pm

I am very surprised that, in a topic like this, no one mentioned this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_ANT-20
 
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Re: Purpose built missionary aircraft

Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:24 pm

Not purpose-built.....but at the other extreme, there was this..... :old:


Guess small airports were out of the question. For those, a modern pusher would do..... :praise:

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Re: Purpose built missionary aircraft

Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:42 pm

What special missionary requirements are there that can't be filled by an off-the-shelf Pilatus Porter, Cessna Caravan, a STOL twin, or similar?

The Quest Kodiak (above) looks similar to the Caravan, but can take off in half the distance.
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Re: Purpose built missionary aircraft

Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:45 pm

Getting back to the topic, what specifically would make a plane purpose designed for missionary work? Since the Kodiak was developed with NGOs in general in mind, which probably have operations similar to missionary organizations, that seems to fit the bill. If there are other requirements, seems it might make a plane too limited and it would have been developed for too small of a market to make it economically feasible.
 
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Re: Purpose built missionary aircraft

Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:00 pm

Please just discuss the topic. This isn't the place to debate religion or make inappropriate comments.

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Re: Purpose built missionary aircraft

Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:00 pm

zeke wrote:
Guess you were thinking of the AAC44

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAC_Angel


Interesting.

Reading this led me to another one, the Evangel 4500: http://www.evangel4500.com/
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Re: Purpose built missionary aircraft

Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:03 pm

cschleic wrote:
Getting back to the topic, what specifically would make a plane purpose designed for missionary work? Since the Kodiak was developed with NGOs in general in mind, which probably have operations similar to missionary organizations, that seems to fit the bill. If there are other requirements, seems it might make a plane too limited and it would have been developed for too small of a market to make it economically feasible.


The Kodiak also entered service in 2004. The AAC44 a decade before that and the Evangel in the 70s. As a result, there doesn't seem to have been an easy "off the shelf" option, so people tried to build their own. The market is tiny, which is why between the AAC and Evangel, there were 12 total produced.

Going forward, given there is something like the Kodiak with wider spread use cases, there likely won't be another one produced.
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Re: Purpose built missionary aircraft

Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:13 pm

32andBelow wrote:
All of the samaritan purse planes?

One of which just landed in Beirut with relief and medical supplies..... :angel:

https://www.samaritanspurse.org/article ... gIAv_D_BwE
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Re: Purpose built missionary aircraft

Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:39 pm

Very informative replies

Not a religious person myself but out of curiosity I’ve always wondered if you have to be ‘of the faith’ to be a missionary pilot ?
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Re: Purpose built missionary aircraft

Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:50 pm

Max Q wrote:
Very informative replies

Not a religious person myself but out of curiosity I’ve always wondered if you have to be ‘of the faith’ to be a missionary pilot ?


I believe someone mentioned in one of the other threads about the Samaritan's Purse DC-8s that the pilots do have to affirm their faith.
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Re: Purpose built missionary aircraft

Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:16 am

cschleic wrote:
Getting back to the topic, what specifically would make a plane purpose designed for missionary work?

I guess availability, economy, ruggedness and ability to access remote locations are prime considerations. Although aircraft MSF had used in the past ran the gamut from Eurocopter, L-410s, Caravans, King Airs, Beech 1900s, Dash 8-100s up to A320s, 737s, etc. .....


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https://media.msf.org/Docs/MSF/Media/CM ... SB4083.jpg


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https://blogs.msf.org/sites/default/fil ... k=Izk3IYDA


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https://www.msf.org.uk/sites/uk/files/r ... k=NdAmGuo9


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Re: Purpose built missionary aircraft

Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:54 am

I remember when I was flying at KLOT in Illinois there was an aircraft called the EvangelAir that the builders were working on for these missions.
 
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Re: Purpose built missionary aircraft

Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:02 am

Antarius wrote:
Going forward, given there is something like the Kodiak with wider spread use cases, there likely won't be another one produced.

Well, if they need something bigger and a bit more modern than the Caravan, then the SkyCourier could fill that requirement pretty soon..... :airplane:

https://www.flightglobal.com/business-a ... 18.article
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Re: Purpose built missionary aircraft

Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:25 am

freakyrat wrote:
I remember when I was flying at KLOT in Illinois there was an aircraft called the EvangelAir that the builders were working on for these missions.


Yup that exists as well.

http://www.evangel4500.com/
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Re: Purpose built missionary aircraft

Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:55 am

There is a channel on Youtube of a missionary pilot who flies in Papua New Guinea. He flies a Kodiak and the videos are fascinating. He shows how the Kodiak can get into really tight places, where even a Caravan couldn't make it.

https://www.youtube.com/user/NTMApilot

Missionary work uses many aircraft types, including helicopters. There is a special relationship with Quest because missionary organizations provided seed money to Quest. In return every tenth airframe off the line is basically theirs. I don't know if that is still the case, though, since Quest's owners have changed hands.
 
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Re: Purpose built missionary aircraft

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:01 am

zeke wrote:
Guess you were thinking of the AAC44

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAC_Angel


Good find. That pusher config seems ill suited for rough airstrips though, without any guard on the landing gear preventing FO(D) to damage the propellers.

cschleic wrote:
Getting back to the topic, what specifically would make a plane purpose designed for missionary work?


Lots of prayers made during manufacturing ?
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Re: Purpose built missionary aircraft

Wed Aug 12, 2020 7:28 am

If any of you are interested, check out a film called "End of the Spear", which was released in 2005.

It is about missionary Nate Saint reaching out to the Waodani people in Amazonian Ecuador.

He used a Piper J-3 Cub for his outreach. It's been years since Ive seen the film, but I remember a particular scene in which Saint uses the aircraft's flight characteristics to deliver "gifts" to these native, which incorporated a steep turn to steadily lower baskets of these gifts to them.

Here is a video of Steve Saint, Nate's son, performing the maneuver roughly 15 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRZAwERwHVA

So, while not a purpose built missionary aircraft, Cub variants would naturally be ideal for some missionary work.

Side note, if you do decide to watch this film, be advised, it is a violent movie.
 
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Re: Purpose built missionary aircraft

Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:59 am

Devilfish wrote:
cschleic wrote:
Getting back to the topic, what specifically would make a plane purpose designed for missionary work?

I guess availability, economy, ruggedness and ability to access remote locations are prime considerations. Although aircraft MSF had used in the past ran the gamut from Eurocopter, L-410s, Caravans, King Airs, Beech 1900s, Dash 8-100s up to A320s, 737s, etc. .....




Medical missions are not the same as missionary missions.

Aircraft performing medical missions need carrying capacity to ferry a lot of medical supplies. They also may have to carry stretchers for medevac work.

Missionaries require no such capacity. Just a couple of seats for the Padre, his wife and some small cargo space for essential supplies should do. Unless of course, they are combining medical relief work with missionary work like Samaritan's Purse are doing.
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Re: Purpose built missionary aircraft

Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:17 am

The UK's Missionary Aviation Fellowship has been flying in some pretty inhospitable parts of the world for over 75 years. This page of their website shows eight different aircraft that they use: https://www.maf-uk.org/how-we-help/aircraft
 
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Re: Purpose built missionary aircraft

Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:33 pm

DIJKKIJK wrote:
Missionaries require no such capacity. Just a couple of seats for the Padre, his wife and some small cargo space for essential supplies should do. Unless of course, they are combining medical relief work with missionary work like Samaritan's Purse are doing.

Understood...hence my post about MSF above. Still, not all medical missions would require a very large capacity, specially if those have to access rough strips. Some need enough seats for medical staff, critical supplies, emergency equipment and/or space for a litter or two. For these, the combi version of the SkyCourier would be well suited.....

Quote:
"The high-wing, twin-turboprop SkyCourier will be offered as a freighter, a 19-seat passenger version, and as a combination freighter/passenger airplane."

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... rst-flight
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Re: Purpose built missionary aircraft

Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:30 am

Aesma wrote:
zeke wrote:
Guess you were thinking of the AAC44

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAC_Angel


Good find. That pusher config seems ill suited for rough airstrips though, without any guard on the landing gear preventing FO(D) to damage the propellers.

cschleic wrote:
Getting back to the topic, what specifically would make a plane purpose designed for missionary work?


Lots of prayers made during manufacturing ?


When I was at LOT in 1969 I think the Evangelair aircraft had a tri-gear configuration. I wish I had take a picture of it back then because it was an unusual boxy orange and white looking thing with a landing gear sutable for rough airstrips.
 
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Re: Purpose built missionary aircraft

Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:39 am

freakyrat wrote:
Aesma wrote:
zeke wrote:
Guess you were thinking of the AAC44

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAC_Angel


Good find. That pusher config seems ill suited for rough airstrips though, without any guard on the landing gear preventing FO(D) to damage the propellers.

cschleic wrote:
Getting back to the topic, what specifically would make a plane purpose designed for missionary work?


Lots of prayers made during manufacturing ?


When I was at LOT in 1969 Local Missionarries had one. I think their Evangelair aircraft had a tri-gear configuration. I wish I had take a picture of it back then because it was an unusual boxy orange and white looking thing with a landing gear sutable for rough airstrips.
Here is a link to the whole story about the aircraft. http://www.evangel4500.com/index.html

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