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RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:53 pm

Saw on Rochester Airport's Facebook page there will be a new air service announcement on August 10th. Any guesses what it could be?

Guesses I've seen so far:
-Sun Country to somewhere warm
-Sun Country's bus service to MSP, though I'm not sure that would count since it's not actually new air service
-return of Allegiant
-Frontier to DEN
-UA to DEN
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Re: RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:06 pm

Breeze?
 
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Re: RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:07 pm

AA to PHX for Mayo Clinic traffic?
.......
 
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Re: RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:20 pm

AA adding RST-DFW nonstop service is a possibility with DFW being AA's main hub. AA adding RST-DFW nonstop service would also make it easier for patients from Texas and Mexico to get to Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN. There are also medical schools in both Rochester, MN and Dallas/Fort Worth with UT Southwestern in Dallas, TCOM in Fort Worth, TCU/UNTHSC School of Medicine in Fort Worth, and Mayo Clinic Alix School of Medicine in Rochester, MN.

DL adding RST-LGA nonstop service, UA adding RST-IAD nonstop service, and AA adding RST-DCA nonstop service are also possibilities with NYC and WAS being two of the top destinations not currently served nonstop from RST. There are also similar ties between DC, NYC, and Rochester, MN with several medical schools in the DC and NYC metro areas and patients traveling to the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN from the Northeast and Baltimore/Washington region.
 
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Re: RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:31 pm

jmc1975 wrote:
AA to PHX for Mayo Clinic traffic?


I agree that AA adding RST-PHX nonstop service might be a possibility with Mayo Clinic having a campus in Scottsdale, AZ, but AA adding RST-DFW nonstop service is more likely than AA adding RST-PHX nonstop service due to (a) DFW being the main hub for AA, (b) Texas having approximately 4 times the population of Arizona, and (c) Texas having 15 medical schools whereas Arizona only currently has 4 medical schools.
 
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Re: RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:49 pm

They did receive SCASD money earlier this year.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1421963&start=50

This was for a flight to a western hub (eg. Denver)
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Re: RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:55 pm

jplatts wrote:
jmc1975 wrote:
AA to PHX for Mayo Clinic traffic?


I agree that AA adding RST-PHX nonstop service might be a possibility with Mayo Clinic having a campus in Scottsdale, AZ, but AA adding RST-DFW nonstop service is more likely than AA adding RST-PHX nonstop service due to (a) DFW being the main hub for AA, (b) Texas having approximately 4 times the population of Arizona, and (c) Texas having 15 medical schools whereas Arizona only currently has 4 medical schools.


JMC is thinking Clinic to Clinic traffic.
 
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Re: RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:59 pm

ytib wrote:
They did receive SCASD money earlier this year.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1421963&start=50

This was for a flight to a western hub (eg. Denver)


Is DFW considered a "western hub"?
 
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Re: RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:26 pm

UA has RST-DEN loaded starting October 1st.
 
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Re: RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:03 pm

usflyer msp wrote:
UA has RST-DEN loaded starting October 1st.


CRJ
 
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Re: RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:14 pm

flyfresno wrote:
ytib wrote:
They did receive SCASD money earlier this year.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1421963&start=50

This was for a flight to a western hub (eg. Denver)


Is DFW considered a "western hub"?


Good question. In that case, why is Southwest named Southwest? Is Dallas considered the west? I always thought Texas was just considered Texas.
 
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Re: RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:21 pm

DEN makes sense because it is a shorter, lower cost add. And RST has a lot of money and activity for a city its size.
 
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Re: RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:50 pm

CATIIIevery5yrs wrote:

Good question. In that case, why is Southwest named Southwest? Is Dallas considered the west? I always thought Texas was just considered Texas.


They consider themselves "A Whole Other Country". At least they did for touristic advertising purposes a while back.
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Re: RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:41 pm

Someone above said "Clinic to Clinic" traffic---So I thought of Cleveland. Mayo Clinic - Cleveland Clinic, so Rochester to BKL or CLE. BKL would be closer to the Cleveland Clinic, which is what patients use being air-transported to the CLE Clinic use. That said, how much demand or inter-cooperation is there between the two big clinics?
 
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Re: RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:58 pm

greenair727 wrote:
Someone above said "Clinic to Clinic" traffic---So I thought of Cleveland. Mayo Clinic - Cleveland Clinic, so Rochester to BKL or CLE. BKL would be closer to the Cleveland Clinic, which is what patients use being air-transported to the CLE Clinic use. That said, how much demand or inter-cooperation is there between the two big clinics?


The Mayo Clinic has branches in Scottsdale, AZ and Jacksonville, FL. "Clinic to Clinic traffic" means traffic between the Mayo branches not traffic to other clinics.
 
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Re: RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:08 am

THIS IS AWESOME whatever it is.
I live in Rochester and what I've heard people who live here asking for is a good west coast connection. UA and AA with ORD and DL with ATL are good for South or East from here. The MSP Delta flights are a joke, its less than 100 miles away. In the winter there's a 25% chance i land in MSP, take an airport shuttle van to RST and pick up my car. Or get stuck waiting in MSP for 5 hours knowing my house is 75 minutes away by car. (I still choose RST cause it's super close and quick. I can leave my house 75 minutes before my flight with ample time to park, check bags, and clear security).

My personal hope is Delta to SLC but seems like UA to Denver is the announcement. Still hopeful once things start to recover and SLC construction is done that Delta adds SLC.

Also will add myself and others would like bigger planes. Really hoping Delta adds A220s at some point. Back when they had the 1000nmi average limit (might not be right #) I was hoping they'd make RST to MSP A220s to keep the average down.
 
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Re: RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:15 am

Are people not reading the comments above? It’s confirmed - UA to DEN 1x Daily on a CR2, starting 10/1

Which... opine note, is a very nice add in the middle of this pandemic. Only a matter of time until DLH gets DEN service too
 
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Re: RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Mon Aug 10, 2020 2:01 am

AS to SEA? LOL!
 
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Re: RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:14 am

joeblow10 wrote:
Are people not reading the comments above? It’s confirmed - UA to DEN 1x Daily on a CR2, starting 10/1

Which... opine note, is a very nice add in the middle of this pandemic. Only a matter of time until DLH gets DEN service too


IF DLH wants to do a revenue guarantee like RST they could probably find an airline to take that money. Per the proposal it is $1 Million guaranteed to the airline (if needed) and also waiving of landing fee and facilities rent. This is pretty standard.
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... -0071-0044

Good for Rochester, the ATL service was originally from the SCASD program.
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Re: RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:43 am

CATIIIevery5yrs wrote:
In that case, why is Southwest named Southwest? Is Dallas considered the west? I always thought Texas was just considered Texas.


Historically Texas was considered part of the Southwest. Southwestern University is in Georgetown, Texas. The AT&T operating company in Texas was called Southwestern Bell (and ironically this company eventually bought AT&T and renamed itself AT&T). It's not all that different from Northwest Airlines being based In Minnesota -- part of what was once the Northwest Territory.
 
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Re: RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:20 pm

OzarkD9S wrote:
CATIIIevery5yrs wrote:

Good question. In that case, why is Southwest named Southwest? Is Dallas considered the west? I always thought Texas was just considered Texas.


They consider themselves "A Whole Other Country". At least they did for touristic advertising purposes a while back.


Texas is very much its own. It's not the west but it's also not the South, although influenced by both. I'd wager DFW as a South Central hub.

But geographically much of it lay within the Southwest.

And East Texas is where the South begins.
 
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Re: RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:56 pm

ytib wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
Are people not reading the comments above? It’s confirmed - UA to DEN 1x Daily on a CR2, starting 10/1

Which... opine note, is a very nice add in the middle of this pandemic. Only a matter of time until DLH gets DEN service too


IF DLH wants to do a revenue guarantee like RST they could probably find an airline to take that money. Per the proposal it is $1 Million guaranteed to the airline (if needed) and also waiving of landing fee and facilities rent. This is pretty standard.
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... -0071-0044

Good for Rochester, the ATL service was originally from the SCASD program.


DLH is going to be a harder sell than RST, but I agree, someone would likely take it. I feel like F9 would be a better fit overall than UA to DEN, simply from the standpoint that it would be a LCC in a market that has none (although UA already has service, which is a plus). Still, for DLH, my bets for new (successful) service would all go towards SY/G4 to Florida (Orlando?), with ATL having an outside chance.
 
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Re: RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Mon Aug 10, 2020 2:05 pm

United is taking an ORD flight and moving it to DEN. A new destination but not an additional flight.
 
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Re: RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:10 pm

One thing I'm observing is that at least looking at UA passenger loads, that loads in/out of DEN and in general in the West seem to be stronger than in the Midwest, East Coast, and Southeast.

I suspect that more trips within the east are more easily substituted with driving than trips in the West. For example, FAR-ORD appears to typically have a 40-50% load while FAR-DEN seems to be closer to 70-80% load (both are 2x daily 50 seater).

Add in the fact that UA will have a monopoly on RST-DEN local and that AA does not fly West from RST and they only have to contend with DL to MSP for feed is a big bonus. DEN can potentially provide a lot more feed to the west than MSP can/does.
 
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Re: RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:23 pm

flyfresno wrote:
ytib wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
Are people not reading the comments above? It’s confirmed - UA to DEN 1x Daily on a CR2, starting 10/1

Which... opine note, is a very nice add in the middle of this pandemic. Only a matter of time until DLH gets DEN service too


IF DLH wants to do a revenue guarantee like RST they could probably find an airline to take that money. Per the proposal it is $1 Million guaranteed to the airline (if needed) and also waiving of landing fee and facilities rent. This is pretty standard.
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... -0071-0044

Good for Rochester, the ATL service was originally from the SCASD program.


DLH is going to be a harder sell than RST, but I agree, someone would likely take it. I feel like F9 would be a better fit overall than UA to DEN, simply from the standpoint that it would be a LCC in a market that has none (although UA already has service, which is a plus). Still, for DLH, my bets for new (successful) service would all go towards SY/G4 to Florida (Orlando?), with ATL having an outside chance.


DLH and LCCs is really F9 or bust. They had G4 before, that failed. SY has bus service to MSP that is cheap. Its a market that is deeply in trenched with driving to MSP for low fares where a lot of people won't even look local.

My understanding from RST is more of the same, some fly local, but the vast majority drive to MSP. Also, the mayo clinic business traffic will not be what it once was. Patient traffic yes, but a lot of recruiting type activities have been moved virtual by a lot of medical campuses, only bringing providers onsite once hired or if they really insist on seeing it in person.
 
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Re: RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:38 pm

tys777 wrote:
flyfresno wrote:
ytib wrote:

IF DLH wants to do a revenue guarantee like RST they could probably find an airline to take that money. Per the proposal it is $1 Million guaranteed to the airline (if needed) and also waiving of landing fee and facilities rent. This is pretty standard.
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... -0071-0044

Good for Rochester, the ATL service was originally from the SCASD program.


DLH is going to be a harder sell than RST, but I agree, someone would likely take it. I feel like F9 would be a better fit overall than UA to DEN, simply from the standpoint that it would be a LCC in a market that has none (although UA already has service, which is a plus). Still, for DLH, my bets for new (successful) service would all go towards SY/G4 to Florida (Orlando?), with ATL having an outside chance.


DLH and LCCs is really F9 or bust. They had G4 before, that failed. SY has bus service to MSP that is cheap. Its a market that is deeply in trenched with driving to MSP for low fares where a lot of people won't even look local.

My understanding from RST is more of the same, some fly local, but the vast majority drive to MSP. Also, the mayo clinic business traffic will not be what it once was. Patient traffic yes, but a lot of recruiting type activities have been moved virtual by a lot of medical campuses, only bringing providers onsite once hired or if they really insist on seeing it in person.


I'm not sure about population (& would like to know), but at least by area (i.e., square miles), isn't the RST catchment area bigger than DLH? I mean, DLH has an inland ocean next to it (and literal wilderness to the north).

If one lives south or southeast of RST, it just got a whole lot more attractive. For people around LSE, ALO, etc - they no longer have to drive to MSP or CID to go west. Ditto in reverse for inbound traffic.
 
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Re: RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:52 pm

tys777 wrote:
flyfresno wrote:
ytib wrote:

IF DLH wants to do a revenue guarantee like RST they could probably find an airline to take that money. Per the proposal it is $1 Million guaranteed to the airline (if needed) and also waiving of landing fee and facilities rent. This is pretty standard.
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... -0071-0044

Good for Rochester, the ATL service was originally from the SCASD program.


DLH is going to be a harder sell than RST, but I agree, someone would likely take it. I feel like F9 would be a better fit overall than UA to DEN, simply from the standpoint that it would be a LCC in a market that has none (although UA already has service, which is a plus). Still, for DLH, my bets for new (successful) service would all go towards SY/G4 to Florida (Orlando?), with ATL having an outside chance.


DLH and LCCs is really F9 or bust. They had G4 before, that failed. SY has bus service to MSP that is cheap. Its a market that is deeply in trenched with driving to MSP for low fares where a lot of people won't even look local.

My understanding from RST is more of the same, some fly local, but the vast majority drive to MSP. Also, the mayo clinic business traffic will not be what it once was. Patient traffic yes, but a lot of recruiting type activities have been moved virtual by a lot of medical campuses, only bringing providers onsite once hired or if they really insist on seeing it in person.


There are definitely a lot more commercial airport options in NE Minnesota and NW Wisconsin around DLH (mostly owing to EAS) than in SE Minnesota around RST. You can fly out of Hibbing, International Falls, Bemidji, and even Ironwood in Wisconsin (albeit on a PC-12). DLH doesn't really offer *that many* more options than the other airports in that region, so I would think many drivers would just go to MSP. Southern Minnesota really just has RST, plus LSE and ALO across the borders, so I agree, combined with more destination options out of RST, it likely has a larger catchment area (although a lot of leakage still).
 
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Re: RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:54 pm

RST-DEN seemed like the most likely candidate, I feel like there could be a few additional frequencies to DEN once everything is beginning to truly recover.
 
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Re: RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:46 pm

flyfresno wrote:
tys777 wrote:
flyfresno wrote:

DLH is going to be a harder sell than RST, but I agree, someone would likely take it. I feel like F9 would be a better fit overall than UA to DEN, simply from the standpoint that it would be a LCC in a market that has none (although UA already has service, which is a plus). Still, for DLH, my bets for new (successful) service would all go towards SY/G4 to Florida (Orlando?), with ATL having an outside chance.


DLH and LCCs is really F9 or bust. They had G4 before, that failed. SY has bus service to MSP that is cheap. Its a market that is deeply in trenched with driving to MSP for low fares where a lot of people won't even look local.

My understanding from RST is more of the same, some fly local, but the vast majority drive to MSP. Also, the mayo clinic business traffic will not be what it once was. Patient traffic yes, but a lot of recruiting type activities have been moved virtual by a lot of medical campuses, only bringing providers onsite once hired or if they really insist on seeing it in person.


There are definitely a lot more commercial airport options in NE Minnesota and NW Wisconsin around DLH (mostly owing to EAS) than in SE Minnesota around RST. You can fly out of Hibbing, International Falls, Bemidji, and even Ironwood in Wisconsin (albeit on a PC-12). DLH doesn't really offer *that many* more options than the other airports in that region, so I would think many drivers would just go to MSP. Southern Minnesota really just has RST, plus LSE and ALO across the borders, so I agree, combined with more destination options out of RST, it likely has a larger catchment area (although a lot of leakage still).


I think you guys vastly underestimate the length of drive people will undertake in order to save a few bucks. People from the Iron Range and north (Ifalls, Hibbing, Brainard etc) routinely fly out of MSP. Almost everyone knows someone in the metro that will allow them to crash for a night and possibly park vehicle/hitch a ride to MSP.

RST for sure has a larger catchment area than DLH, but they suffer the same issue as many decent sized cities around the country that exist in the shadow of a major hub. I've routinely been impressed with the level ROC punches at with the relative short distance to MSP.

Like many people, I can list a ton of purely anadoctal personal experience to back it up, but that's worthless.

I'm happy to see any airport in MN get added service, especially during these unique times.
 
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Re: RST (Rochester, MN) New Air Service Announcement 8/10

Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:56 pm

Rochester, MN will have new service via UA to DEN, as many predicted.

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