FromCDGtoSYD wrote:

High speed rail could definitely do it in one day. Hanoi to HCMC would be about the same distance as Beijing to Shanghai and we all know how successful that is. Not saying that HCMC doesn't need a new airport but saying flights are the only solution for Vietnam isn't exactly true.

behramjee wrote:

I have enjoyed reading through this thread topic and few things came to mind:

1. Vietnam Govt may force all new international carriers wanting to fly to HCMC to operate their flights at the newly built airport exclusively

2. SGN to be turned into a LCC hub airport like what DMK has become with Vietjet being exclusively based there

3. Vietnam Airlines to be allowed to move it’s entire operations to the new airport for easier logistical coordination. The only routes it should be allowed to maintain at SGN would be the prime domestic trunk routes of SGN-HAN and SGN-DAD.

4. All freighter operators to be moved to the new mega airport

The Dong Nai government will hand over more than 1,800 hectares of cleared land for the first phase of the Long Thanh international airport project on October 20.

At a meeting with the Southern Airports Authority and the Airports Corporation of Vietnam (ACV) on October 1, Dung said the land has been mainly cleared. Of the 1,200 hectares of rubber farms, 1,100 hectares have been cleared, the local media reported.

As for the remaining 630 hectares, the province has paid VND1.3 trillion in compensation for 611 households. The compensation for over 200 other households will be paid this month.

In the remaining months of the year, the province will inspect some 3,200 other hectares of land for the project and set the compensation price for the affected households. It expected to hand over the entire land for the project by the second quarter of next year.

On October 2, the Ministry of Transport reported to the National Assembly on the implementation of the Long Thanh airport project.
According to the ministry, with the current progress, Long Thanh airport will start construction in 2021 and to be completed in 2025.

The project is divided into three phases. Phase 1 of the project will construct a runway with a length of 4,000 meters and a width of 75 meters. Constructing a passenger terminal with a design capacity of 25 million passengers/year, a total floor area of 373,000 m2, including four floors.

The air traffic control tower is about 123 m high for long term use. Build a garage with a capacity of about 4,200 cars.

Cargo terminals with a total capacity of 1.2 million tons of cargo/year; aviation catering area with a capacity of 40,000 meals/day; equipment maintenance facilities, aircraft cleaning, fuel supply stations, wastewater treatment

The traffic system directly connects with Long Thanh airport includes 2 main routes. Route number one, linking the airport with National Highway 51, has six lanes. Line 2 connects the airport with the Ho Chi Minh City-Long Thanh Expressway, with four lanes.

Phase 2, continuing to invest in building an additional open-run runway and an open passenger terminal to achieve a capacity of 50 million passengers/year, 1.5 million tons of cargo/year. Phase 3, completing items to reach a capacity of 100 million passengers/year and 5 million tons of cargo/year.

FromCDGtoSYD wrote:

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:

Just for reference's sake, here's the size of Vietnam overlayed upon the west coast of the U.S.:



The distances in this country are definitely not walkable, and ground-based transportation can't do the journey from one end to another in a day.

I highly recommend the site http://www.thetruesize.com for seeing just how big and/or small places are.

High speed rail could definitely do it in one day. Hanoi to HCMC would be about the same distance as Beijing to Shanghai and we all know how successful that is. Not saying that HCMC doesn't need a new airport but saying flights are the only solution for Vietnam isn't exactly true.

lightsaber wrote:

The long/skinny nature of vietnam means high speed rail could cover a lot of the demand. But high speed rail is very expensive to install and occupies quite a bit of land.

I see a problem with split airports. That reduces transfers (people do not like to switch modes of transport). I prefer a large new airport and the old one closed.

However, Vietnam is building capacity, something many other countries are not adequately addressing and will thus suffer in the other side of this recession. A city needs transportation to build wealth.

Although, if there were a way for Vietnam to accept larger freight ships (say up to 19000 Teu) that would do even more for the economy, but that quickly gets off topic.

Lightsaber

FromCDGtoSYD wrote:

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:

Just for reference's sake, here's the size of Vietnam overlayed upon the west coast of the U.S.:



The distances in this country are definitely not walkable, and ground-based transportation can't do the journey from one end to another in a day.

I highly recommend the site http://www.thetruesize.com for seeing just how big and/or small places are.

High speed rail could definitely do it in one day. Hanoi to HCMC would be about the same distance as Beijing to Shanghai and we all know how successful that is. Not saying that HCMC doesn't need a new airport but saying flights are the only solution for Vietnam isn't exactly true.

JFK2SGN wrote:

Have lived in Saigon for years and have never heard the notion that LT will only be international. All information I've seen over the years points to a split similar to BKK/DMK ops. The new LT Airport will house Vietnam Airlines (Domestic & Int'l) and likely all other foreign legacy and some foreign budget carriers. SGN will then be left with Vietjet, Pacific Airlines, Bamboo (maybe?), VASCO- plus the list of airlines that are waiting to startup (Vietstar, VIettravel Airlines, and an airline from Thien Minh Group) that aren't allowed to startup until SGN/HAN are expanded.

The State Appraisal Council has reduced the cost of the first phase of Long Thanh International Airport by $111 million after assessing its feasibility study.

It estimated the cost of the proposed airport in the southern Dong Nai Province at VND109.1 trillion ($4.7 billion), or 2.2 percent lower than the Ministry of Transport’s price tag, due to lower construction and management costs.

The cost has worried some lawmakers, who say it is higher than for similar projects in other countries.

But the Airports Corporation of Vietnam (ACV), which is developing the project, has said it is similar to the cost of Beijing Daxing International Airport in China and Istanbul Airport in Turkey.

After all three phases are completed in 2050 at a total estimated cost of VND336.63 trillion ($16 billion), it will be able to handle 100 million passengers and five million tons of cargo a year.
[4 terminals + 4 runways]

Regarding the investment project to build Long Thanh International Airport phase 1, the Deputy Prime Minister assigned the Government Office to soon carry out procedures to submit to the Prime Minister for consideration and decision to approve the feasibility study report, judgment. The Ministry of Transport and agencies and units gather human resources, proactively and actively accelerate the progress of related legal procedures, prepare all necessary conditions to strive to start the project in the first quarter of 2021.

MrHMSH wrote:

I passed through SGN today, when it’s not Tet it’s fairly easy, 15 minutes from arrival to through security, but deary me that domestic terminal is dingy. Night and day compared to the intl terminal.

On 11/11, Deputy Prime Minister Trinh Dinh Dung signed a decision approving the investment project to build Long Thanh International Airport, phase one. This will be the country's important international airport and an international air transit hub for the region.

Long Thanh Airport phase 1 has a runway, a passenger terminal, and synchronous auxiliary items with a capacity of 25 million passengers, 1.2 million tons of cargo per year. The work is expected to be completed in 2025.

The project is divided into 4 component projects, including headquarters works of state management agencies; works in service of flight management; Essential works in airports and other works. In particular, essential works such as airport buildings, aircraft parking, passenger terminals, cargo terminals ... are assigned to Airport Corporation of Vietnam (ACV) as the investor by the capital of the business.

The main construction items of the airport include: runway with a length of 4,000 meters, a width of 75 meters (?), and a system of taxiways, apron; the passenger terminal has a design capacity of 25 million passengers/year, a total floor area of 373,000 m2.

Long Thanh Airport is planned in 3 phases to 2040, including 4 runways, 4 passenger terminals, and auxiliary items to ensure a capacity of 100 million passengers and 5 million tons of cargo. chemical every year.

FromCDGtoSYD wrote:

The interior definitely is reminiscent of ICN T2 with the use of wood and very rectangular arrangements.
I really don't understand the terminal design though, it looks very inefficient in terms of gate space... would be a big mistake if they decide to go through with the plan to make 4 of the same terminal. Anything will be better than SGN though, the hallway past security is a jungle during VN's departure banks and the amount of small shops make it feel more like a market than an airport terminal.
That being said I like the small size of the current terminal, walking from the lounge to the gate is never a problem.

Currently, ACV (Airport Corp of Vietnam) is completing the detailed Project implementation plan and schedule in 60 months, with the commencement milestone in December 2020 and putting the project into operation in December 2020.

Before and after the project was approved, the Government, the Ministry of Transport, and Đồng Nai local authorities issued specific instructions. A lot of project preparation work has been implemented by ACV. The work that needs to be done, right now is urgently completing the documents, investment procedures, and receiving the land in accordance with the law to start the project at the end of December 2020, welcome the XIII National Party Congress.

Antaras wrote:

I see that the Vietnamese are still having a problem choosing a good terminal design. They seem to prefer beauty to efficiency. Just have a look at the "pure-Vietnamese design" of HAN T1: even though it is beautiful, it is ridiculously unscientific and made a mess every time I need to find my flight's gate at this terminal.

Notably, artificial intelligence (AI) and big data technology will be applied for the first time to passenger check-in and immigration systems, to support the identification and calculation of passengers through biometric data (face, fingerprints) ...
The consultant also designs automation technology currently applied to new terminals of major airports in the world such as ICN T2, SIN T4 ..., for automated technical equipment systems at Long Thanh airport. Accordingly, the systems that support passengers with self-check-in procedures, supporting passengers with their own baggage check-in procedures, are all automatic.

The Airports Corporation of Vietnam (ACV) plans to begin construction of the Long Thanh International Airport in December and complete it by 2025.

With sufficient capital in hand and the fact that Dong Nai Province, where their airport will be built, has handed over 1,800 hectares of landed needed for the first phase, the ACV is making a detailed 60-month construction plan.

Lai Xuan Thanh, chairman of the corporation which has been assigned to be the project's main developer, told VnExpress that it will pour over VND99 trillion ($4.28 billion), or 91 percent of total capital needed, into the first phase of the airport.

The money will be sourced from its current cash reserves of over VND29 trillion, with an additional sum of VND6.9 trillion in the 2020-2025 period, and the rest from commercial loans and bonds.

The corporation has signed memoranda of understanding valued at over VND143 trillion with 12 organizations for funding the project, which exceeds the amount needed.

The government last week approved the construction of the $4.6 billion first phase of the Long Thanh International Airport.

At the meeting with the leaders of the Ministry of Transport and Communications on the handover of land for the construction of the Long Thanh Int'l Airport phase 1 on December 7, the provincial People's Committee leaders suggested to the MoT to soon deployed procedures, inviting investors to build a light railway connecting Long Thanh airport with Tan Son Nhat airport.

According to the Chairman of the Provincial People's Committee Cao Tien Dung, the light rail line connecting Long Thanh airport and Tan Son Nhat airport is now in the plan. Therefore, the early deployment of procedures to invest in this railway is very convenient. The light railway connecting the two airports when completed construction will meet the travel needs of passengers when Long Thanh Airport phase 1 is completed and put into operation.

Carreidas160 wrote:

Good news for Saigon ! It's finally coming ! I'll never get tired of SGN but I must I won't regret its immigration queues.

It's worth noting there are also some talks about either expanding HAN or build a new airport south of Hanoi.

MrHMSH wrote:

A relatively quick (and nonstop) rail line to the centre of Saigon would be very useful. Airports without good rail links are a real pain sometimes, though many slate it for being inconvenient I think LGW has a far superior public transport network to LHR for example, especially if you're outside London. Connecting to Ben Thanh central station when completed seems logical, albeit very difficult logistically.

Antaras wrote:

Carreidas160 wrote:

Good news for Saigon ! It's finally coming ! I'll never get tired of SGN but I must I won't regret its immigration queues.

It's worth noting there are also some talks about either expanding HAN or build a new airport south of Hanoi.

It is worth building a new airport in the south of Hanoi because the current HAN locates in a highly-populated area, any expansion would be extremely expensive and unnecessary.
Btw, I created a thread about HAN's expansion plan (viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1450961) and the suggestion for Hanoi's second airport (viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1452435). Have a look

Antaras wrote:

Moreover, the new airport would be featured with a 123m (403.5ft) ATC Tower, which is projected to be the third tallest ATC Tower on Earth after BKK (132.2m/434ft), KUL (130m/426ft), and slightly taller than our current third-place ATL (121.31m/398ft). Just as mentioned, this ATC Tower would be modernized with the newest technologies and equipment.

rhysflies wrote:

Antaras wrote:

Moreover, the new airport would be featured with a 123m (403.5ft) ATC Tower, which is projected to be the third tallest ATC Tower on Earth after BKK (132.2m/434ft), KUL (130m/426ft), and slightly taller than our current third-place ATL (121.31m/398ft). Just as mentioned, this ATC Tower would be modernized with the newest technologies and equipment.

Is there any reason why taller is good? Presumably you can see further? Or is this just a dick-measuring contest...

FromCDGtoSYD wrote:

The interior definitely is reminiscent of ICN T2 with the use of wood and very rectangular arrangements.
I really don't understand the terminal design though, it looks very inefficient in terms of gate space... would be a big mistake if they decide to go through with the plan to make 4 of the same terminal. Anything will be better than SGN though, the hallway past security is a jungle during VN's departure banks and the amount of small shops make it feel more like a market than an airport terminal.
That being said I like the small size of the current terminal, walking from the lounge to the gate is never a problem.

potter787 wrote:

FromCDGtoSYD wrote:

The interior definitely is reminiscent of ICN T2 with the use of wood and very rectangular arrangements.
I really don't understand the terminal design though, it looks very inefficient in terms of gate space... would be a big mistake if they decide to go through with the plan to make 4 of the same terminal. Anything will be better than SGN though, the hallway past security is a jungle during VN's departure banks and the amount of small shops make it feel more like a market than an airport terminal.
That being said I like the small size of the current terminal, walking from the lounge to the gate is never a problem.

I don't understand what is the problem with the terminal design. I think the pier design is pretty common (used in Daxing, ICN, etc) as it squeezes more gates into the same space thus allowing higher terminal capacity and more connections without changing terminal. The downside I can see is if you have to catch a connecting flight from a different pier then it would be a pain but this terminal doesn't look that big so hopefully it will not be a big issue.

potter787 wrote:

FromCDGtoSYD wrote:

The interior definitely is reminiscent of ICN T2 with the use of wood and very rectangular arrangements.
I really don't understand the terminal design though, it looks very inefficient in terms of gate space... would be a big mistake if they decide to go through with the plan to make 4 of the same terminal. Anything will be better than SGN though, the hallway past security is a jungle during VN's departure banks and the amount of small shops make it feel more like a market than an airport terminal.
That being said I like the small size of the current terminal, walking from the lounge to the gate is never a problem.

I don't understand what is the problem with the terminal design. I think the pier design is pretty common (used in Daxing, ICN, etc) as it squeezes more gates into the same space thus allowing higher terminal capacity and more connections without changing terminal. The downside I can see is if you have to catch a connecting flight from a different pier then it would be a pain but this terminal doesn't look that big so hopefully it will not be a big issue.

FromCDGtoSYD wrote:

Don't get me wrong, the pier design is fine, centralised checkin and security in a large headhouse and smaller piers. What I mean is because of the shape of the terminal, building 4 of them would lead to lots of lost space. A lotus shaped main terminal with a toast rack satellite terminal arrangement would be a sufficient compromise.

Furthermore, unlike IST and to a lesser degree ICN (T2) the piers aren't arranged in a rectangular shape but are rounded. This leads to lost space between taxiways. That being said, considering the size of the land (twice the size of CDG I think?) I don't think saving space is a concern.

potter787 wrote:

FromCDGtoSYD wrote:

Don't get me wrong, the pier design is fine, centralised checkin and security in a large headhouse and smaller piers. What I mean is because of the shape of the terminal, building 4 of them would lead to lots of lost space. A lotus shaped main terminal with a toast rack satellite terminal arrangement would be a sufficient compromise.

Furthermore, unlike IST and to a lesser degree ICN (T2) the piers aren't arranged in a rectangular shape but are rounded. This leads to lost space between taxiways. That being said, considering the size of the land (twice the size of CDG I think?) I don't think saving space is a concern.

I totally agree with you here. Building 4 lotus-shaped terminals is not the best way. It could be better with satellite or even starfish-shaped.

I don't think saving land space is the concern here, it's more on construction cost, the pier design (rectangular or rounded) allow gates to be built on both sides not one side like a long linear terminal.

ACV General Director added that international financial institutions have signed agreements and commitments to provide capital up to USD 5-6 billion for ACV.

Specifically, the total investment of Component 3 Project (including taxes) is over 99,000 billion VND (~$4.3-billion). The project investment capital source is from at least 36,102 billion VND ($1.6-billion).

The rest is funded by loans (not using government guarantees) and other legal sources (including equity) as regulated.

General Director of ACV said, "The company will continue to build capital mobilization plans on the basis of the available money and project disbursement progress from time to time".

With capital raising plans including the increase in charter capital, the company will step by step follow the project's progress: increasing charter capital, issuing bonds, borrowing legal sources, ... are also being company consideration.

potter787 wrote:

Yeah I quite like LT06 design, it is the most efficient design among those submitted. Well anything can change in Vietnam, terminal 2 will not be built for another 7-10 years so who knows.

potter787 wrote:

By the way, I really admire your passion for Vietnam aviation, have you ever thought of creating a dedicated thread for that? It would be easier to follow

The project of Long Thanh International Airport, phase one with a capacity of 25 million passengers, will start on January 5, 2021, according to Transport Minister Nguyen Van The.

The transport industry leader also said that after beginning the construction of the airport, the contractors will immediately deploy the items of fences, concrete structures, runways.

Currently, Dong Nai Local Authorities have handed over the first phase to the investors 1,600 hectares of clean ground, the remaining 200 hectares of land people have not relocated because there is no resettlement site. The investor is the Airports Corporation of Vietnam (ACV) conducted a bomb and mine check for the entire land area.

"Progress of project investment preparation up to now has been basically controlled, striving to complete as planned by 2025", Mr. The said.

According to the plan, the airport is built in 3 phases to 2040, including 4 runways, 4 passenger terminals, and ancillary items to ensure a capacity of 100 million passengers and 5 million tons of goods per year.

Antaras wrote:

The complete Long Thành International Airport project infographic:

Original infographic: https://e.vnexpress.net/infographics/ec ... 13920.html
Edited and updated some details by me corresponding to the latest updates.

Accordingly, the project is divided into 4 component projects, including:
Project component 1 - Works for state management agencies;
Project component 2 - Works in service of flight management;
Project component 3 - Essential works in airports;
Project component 4 - Other works.
In which, Proj component 3 was assigned to Airports Corporation of Vietnam - (ACV) as an investor with capital from ACV.
ACV has developed a construction plan. Specifically:
- On May 5, starting the project of component 3 and implementing items of bomb clearance, building fences, leveling, expected to disburse about 6,000 billion VND in 2021.
- From January 1, 2021, to September 2021: Deploying technical design.
- From July 22nd: Construction of the passenger terminal.
- From August 2022: Construction of technical infrastructure items.
- From December 2025: Completing works and putting Long Thanh international airport phase 1 into operation.

Vietnam Airlines plans to invest VNĐ9,900 trillion ($429.1 million) in the Long Thanh Int'l Airport project, of which 30% is from the owner and 70% loan.

The above plan has just been sent by the Vietnam Airlines Corporation to the Ministry of Transport, Ministry of Planning and Consulting, and the Commission for the Management of State Capital at Enterprises (CMSC).

The services that the company wants to invest in Long Thanh include the supply of aviation fuel (via its subsidiary SkyPec), ground technology (VIAGS), catering applications, cargo terminals, and air logistics centers. At the same time, this business also wants to organize business operations, management servers at the terminal such as lounge services, duty-free sales, and other services.

VN also proposed to work with its subsidiaries to build infrastructure directly or cooperate with the Airports Corporation of Vietnam (ACV) to establish some joint ventures.