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United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:06 pm

Did United ever operate Anchorage-Honolulu v.v. non-stop? If so, when? While the route map in my United Oct. 1, 1984 shows a 'clean' uninterrupted line between ANC and HNL, all flight schedules, in both directions, show a connection at SEA or SFO. Was ANC-HNL perhaps operated non-stop on a seasonal basis only...and if so what was the season in/around 1984-85?
 
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:54 pm

Tango-Bravo wrote:
Did United ever operate Anchorage-Honolulu v.v. non-stop? If so, when? While the route map in my United Oct. 1, 1984 shows a 'clean' uninterrupted line between ANC and HNL, all flight schedules, in both directions, show a connection at SEA or SFO. Was ANC-HNL perhaps operated non-stop on a seasonal basis only...and if so what was the season in/around 1984-85?

I know there were charters between Elmendorf AFB and Hickham AFB as I got to work them servicing the 747-122's and DC8-71's we flew to HAWAII at the time. that were rotating back through SFO. I was on probation back then and I had to assist one of the more senior mechanics on day shift where I did probation. A bunch of us newbies serviced the airplanes and performed #2 services on them and because we were all on Probation? We did all the Overwater checks in the cabin and fixed any gripes we found. The guy I had to work with had November 51 seniority, It was strange since I wasn't born until December 51. But Lumpy was a great guy.
 
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Mon Aug 17, 2020 10:05 pm

I think the only operator on that route was Western Airlines. It's possible United did some seasonal service, but it wasn't much if they did.
 
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Mon Aug 17, 2020 10:18 pm

I believe AS and possibly NW have done this route in the past.
 
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:12 pm

bfitzflyer wrote:
I believe AS and possibly NW have done this route in the past.


AS still does, in the non-COVID alternate universe.
 
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:26 am

Chugach wrote:
bfitzflyer wrote:
I believe AS and possibly NW have done this route in the past.


AS still does, in the non-COVID alternate universe.


I found an AS press release from 2011. Did AS operate ANC-HNL (seasonally?) right up to March 2020?

https://investor.alaskaair.com/news-rel ... nd-and-san
 
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:37 am

I flew Western ANC-HNL in 1974, on a Boeing 720-H (720 overwater. long range modifications. They flew it daily in the winter (I flew it in December), up to 5x a week the rest of the year. United never flew HNL-ANC-HNL, and, after Western discontinued the route (long before the Delta merger), nobody served it until Alaska.
 
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:40 am

Um Hawaiian did fly ANC HNL between WA and AS. So did South Pacific Island Air...
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:43 am

I flew Western ANC-HNL in 1974, on a Boeing 720-H (720 overwater. long range modifications. They flew it daily in the winter (I flew it in December), up to 5x a week the rest of the year. United never flew HNL-ANC-HNL, and, after Western discontinued the route (long before the Delta merger), nobody served it until Alaska.
 
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:22 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
Chugach wrote:
bfitzflyer wrote:
I believe AS and possibly NW have done this route in the past.


AS still does, in the non-COVID alternate universe.


I found an AS press release from 2011. Did AS operate ANC-HNL (seasonally?) right up to March 2020?

https://investor.alaskaair.com/news-rel ... nd-and-san



AS operated ANC-HNL daily, year round until COVID. ANC-OGG/KOA were operated seasonally from Nov-Feb or Mar.
 
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:38 am

In 2016 the Alaska Airlines ANC-HNL flight was operated so that it would pass through a total solar eclipse over the Pacific.
https://blog.alaskaair.com/alaska-airli ... se-flight/

They also did this during the large solar eclipse in 2017, but with a flight from PDX that time.
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:43 am

I spent some six months on and off in Anchorage over the years and the AS HNL flights were well advertised locally. And I think at the beginning of service the "Chester" figure on the tail wore a Hawaiian lei on some of their aircraft, though that may have been for Hawaii service from lower 48 cities, I'm not certain. Can anyone clear that up?
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:43 am

I know during the United Airlines pilot strike during the summer of 1985 Western was flying HNL-ANC with, I believe, DC-10s. I was the air manager for a large Hawaii based tour company at that time. We were able to reroute a LOT of United passengers HNL-ANC-SLC on their return to the mainland and then on to their destinations. Thank you Western!

But I don't remember United ever flying that route.
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:53 am

ClipperYankee wrote:
I spent some six months on and off in Anchorage over the years and the AS HNL flights were well advertised locally. And I think at the beginning of service the "Chester" figure on the tail wore a Hawaiian lei on some of their aircraft, though that may have been for Hawaii service from lower 48 cities, I'm not certain. Can anyone clear that up?


Somebody will probably elaborate, but the planes with the lei were the ETOPS certified birds. Since Hawaii was the reason for ETOPS with Alaska, they chose to put a lei on Chester, to link the the two states. And for crew to notice the ETOP plane.

As a side note, many folks here on ANet would be surprised at the close ties Alaska and Hawaii have. They really have a lot in common.
 
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:27 am

NW did ANC-OGG-HNL seasonally with a 753 up until the DL merger IIRC.
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:00 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
Chugach wrote:
bfitzflyer wrote:
I believe AS and possibly NW have done this route in the past.


AS still does, in the non-COVID alternate universe.


I found an AS press release from 2011. Did AS operate ANC-HNL (seasonally?) right up to March 2020?

https://investor.alaskaair.com/news-rel ... nd-and-san


Yes...I’ve taken it many times. ANC-HNL and SEA-LIH were the first AS routes to Hawaii in 2007 or 2008, whenever they started.
 
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:05 am

USAirALB wrote:
NW did ANC-OGG-HNL seasonally with a 753 up until the DL merger IIRC.


They did, took that one as well a couple of times. Aircraft routed MSP-ANC-OGG-HNL-ANC-MSP. Whenever I took it there were always people connecting to/from MSP on it.

NW dropped it as soon as AS announced they were starting ANC-HNL. I don’t think the DL merger had anything to do with it.
 
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:13 am

superjeff wrote:
I flew Western ANC-HNL in 1974, on a Boeing 720-H (720 overwater. long range modifications. They flew it daily in the winter (I flew it in December), up to 5x a week the rest of the year. United never flew HNL-ANC-HNL, and, after Western discontinued the route (long before the Delta merger), nobody served it until Alaska.


Not quite true that nobody served it until AS. NW did ANC-OGG/HNL starting in, if I recall, 2004 and dropped it when AS entered the Hawaii market from ANC. Prior to NW, an Anchorage-based travel agency called Hawaiian Vacations made a living selling scheduled charter flights on ANC-HNL, usually on HA. The HA service was usually a southbound redeye that arrived in HNL around 0600...some easy utilization flying for HA.

Fun fact...that same Hawaiian Vacations outfit also gave FAI-OGG a try in the early 2000’s. Lasted a couple of years using a North American Airlines 757. Hawaii is one of the biggest current unserved markets from FAI.
 
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:31 am

XRadar98 wrote:

As a side note, many folks here on ANet would be surprised at the close ties Alaska and Hawaii have. They really have a lot in common.

Last two states to be admitted. Other than that I cannot think of what they have in common. Can you elaborate?
 
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:46 am

FTMCPIUS wrote:
XRadar98 wrote:

As a side note, many folks here on ANet would be surprised at the close ties Alaska and Hawaii have. They really have a lot in common.

Last two states to be admitted. Other than that I cannot think of what they have in common. Can you elaborate?


Spend enough time in both places and you’ll start to see they are very similar culturally, both for better and for worse. Lots of VFR traffic between them.

On the tourism front, there are a decent amount of Hawaiians who vacation in Alaska in summer. And the old joke that Maui is the second largest city in Alaska between October and May.

Also strong historic political ties between the two states.
 
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:15 am

WA also flew HNL-ANC-LGW for nearly a year, IIRC.
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:53 am

Did CO fly ANC-HNL? Seems like one of the old-timers at CO told me that they did. IIRC, it may not have been daily.
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:18 am

Chugach wrote:
FTMCPIUS wrote:
XRadar98 wrote:

As a side note, many folks here on ANet would be surprised at the close ties Alaska and Hawaii have. They really have a lot in common.

Last two states to be admitted. Other than that I cannot think of what they have in common. Can you elaborate?


Spend enough time in both places and you’ll start to see they are very similar culturally, both for better and for worse. Lots of VFR traffic between them.

On the tourism front, there are a decent amount of Hawaiians who vacation in Alaska in summer. And the old joke that Maui is the second largest city in Alaska between October and May.

Also strong historic political ties between the two states.


Agreed. There is a noticeable community of Hawaiian-born people (of various ethnic backgrounds) here in Fairbanks, and even more so in Anchorage. There is also a decently sized (percentage wise) community of Samoans. You'd be surprised of the links between the two states.

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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:30 am

Interestingly, Rich Air did have scheduled HNL-ANC flights in 1995 with L-1011s.
 
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:58 am

That Rich Air flight originated in FRA and was operated with -500's. I had a standby freebie, but didn't get to use it as Rich kept changing their schedules- thank goodness for the AS/NZ back up tickets ANC-LAX-HNL!
 
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:11 am

Rich did not operate the -500 model. But they did in fact fly ANCHNL.
Update - I see they did operate at least one, ex-LTU (learn something new everyday!).
 
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:35 am

Chugach wrote:
superjeff wrote:
I flew Western ANC-HNL in 1974, on a Boeing 720-H (720 overwater. long range modifications. They flew it daily in the winter (I flew it in December), up to 5x a week the rest of the year. United never flew HNL-ANC-HNL, and, after Western discontinued the route (long before the Delta merger), nobody served it until Alaska.


Not quite true that nobody served it until AS. NW did ANC-OGG/HNL starting in, if I recall, 2004 and dropped it when AS entered the Hawaii market from ANC. Prior to NW, an Anchorage-based travel agency called Hawaiian Vacations made a living selling scheduled charter flights on ANC-HNL, usually on HA. The HA service was usually a southbound redeye that arrived in HNL around 0600...some easy utilization flying for HA.

Fun fact...that same Hawaiian Vacations outfit also gave FAI-OGG a try in the early 2000’s. Lasted a couple of years using a North American Airlines 757. Hawaii is one of the biggest current unserved markets from FAI.



I thought that HA did HNL ANC HNL for a while but thought they were technically tour charters. Didn't know about NW though, but I had moved away from Hawaii years before. No idea about North American (that was a strange carrier, also with stuff like a service for El Al JFK-LAX, I think). Thanks.
 
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:37 am

ClipperYankee wrote:
I spent some six months on and off in Anchorage over the years and the AS HNL flights were well advertised locally. And I think at the beginning of service the "Chester" figure on the tail wore a Hawaiian lei on some of their aircraft, though that may have been for Hawaii service from lower 48 cities, I'm not certain. Can anyone clear that up?



When they started Hawaii service, Chester wore a lei on some of their aircraft (I suspect their ETOPS planes), until the current livery was adopted.
 
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:39 am

FTMCPIUS wrote:
XRadar98 wrote:

As a side note, many folks here on ANet would be surprised at the close ties Alaska and Hawaii have. They really have a lot in common.

Last two states to be admitted. Other than that I cannot think of what they have in common. Can you elaborate?


Alaskans love to visit Hawaii, especially in Winter. The Native American population there seems to feel extremely comfortable with the people. That's one reason why ANC-HNL works.
 
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:51 pm

With respect to the reasons given above for ties between Hawaii and Alaska...

One would be remiss to also offer up a more obvious answer that in Winter, Hawaii is easily one of the closest warm places to jet off to (distance-wise) for Alaskans!
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:26 pm

superjeff wrote:
FTMCPIUS wrote:
XRadar98 wrote:

As a side note, many folks here on ANet would be surprised at the close ties Alaska and Hawaii have. They really have a lot in common.

Last two states to be admitted. Other than that I cannot think of what they have in common. Can you elaborate?


Alaskans love to visit Hawaii, especially in Winter. The Native American population there seems to feel extremely comfortable with the people. That's one reason why ANC-HNL works.

A lot of Alaskans have property in Hawaii.
 
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:34 pm

 
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:16 pm

superjeff wrote:
...United never flew HNL-ANC-HNL, and, after Western discontinued the route (long before the Delta merger), nobody served it until Alaska.


According to Western's March 1, 1987 timetable they were operating HNL-ANC v.v. non-stop with DC-10 equipment on a once daily basis in both directions. The DL/WA merger took effect one month later in April 1987. Don't know if or how long Delta continued the flight as, at present, I cannot find a DL timetable from the month(s)/year(s) immediately following the merger. In other years/seasons WA flew the route non-stop as little as 3x/week each way...according to 1980's timetables in my collection.

http://www.departedflights.com/WA030187p27.html
 
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Re: United ANC-HNL non-stop? (c 1984)

Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:27 pm

Tango-Bravo wrote:
superjeff wrote:
...United never flew HNL-ANC-HNL, and, after Western discontinued the route (long before the Delta merger), nobody served it until Alaska.


According to Western's March 1, 1987 timetable they were operating HNL-ANC v.v. non-stop with DC-10 equipment on a once daily basis in both directions. The DL/WA merger took effect one month later in April 1987. Don't know if or how long Delta continued the flight as, at present, I cannot find a DL timetable from the month(s)/year(s) immediately following the merger. In other years/seasons WA flew the route non-stop as little as 3x/week each way...according to 1980's timetables in my collection.

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