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FedEx 767 makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:07 pm

FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX-

https://abc7.com/video-fedex-plane-make ... -/6377692/
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:22 pm

It’s not every day you see a 767 gear issue. Looks like they did a nice job with centerline control!

Also note the MLG doors were open in the video
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:24 pm

Looks like FX1026 EWR-LAX N146FE
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:28 pm

Sounds like the gear didn't deploy.
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:41 pm

Just heard on KTLA5 news. Looks like the left landing gear did not deploy.
One of the pilots suffered a leg injury.
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:46 pm

How old was the plane?
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:49 pm

Spetsnaz55 wrote:
How old was the plane?


N164FE 3.3 years old
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:09 pm

FlyingViking wrote:
Sounds like the gear didn't deploy.


Now I'm no expert, but the video of the plane skidding down the runway on its engine seems to confirm that.
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:16 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Spetsnaz55 wrote:
How old was the plane?


N164FE 3.3 years old


N164FE is up here in Manchester, NH at the moment. 146 is the incident plane.
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:23 pm

Looks like they exited using the rope from the cockpit window - in the video it's hanging down from the FO's side. Wonder why they'd choose that over using the door slide?
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:24 pm

ChrisNH38 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Spetsnaz55 wrote:
How old was the plane?


N164FE 3.3 years old


N164FE is up here in Manchester, NH at the moment. 146 is the incident plane.


Ah, sorry, typo on the registration. 146's age is 3.3 years old.
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:28 pm

The pilots did a heck of a good job landing
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:35 pm

AndoAv8R wrote:
The pilots did a heck of a good job landing


This isn’t practiced, so every outcome is up to the plane and physics. Until the engine touched it was a normal landing.
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:39 pm

DoctorVenkman wrote:
FlyingViking wrote:
Sounds like the gear didn't deploy.


Now I'm no expert, but the video of the plane skidding down the runway on its engine seems to confirm that.

Excellent powers of observation, Doctor!

It didn't play for me but https://abc7.com/video/embed/?pid=6377724%22 worked.
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:39 pm

I am in awe of the skill and nerve of the pilots. Bravo!
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:43 pm

DoctorVenkman wrote:
FlyingViking wrote:
Sounds like the gear didn't deploy.


Now I'm no expert, but the video of the plane skidding down the runway on its engine seems to confirm that.

Yup. Initially it was suggested the gear collapsed on landing.
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:49 pm

What sort of work well be nessecary for the runway to get it back in operation (aside from the obvious removal is the aircraft)? Do they run a LiDAR truck along the entirety to check for damage, or is there damage going to be fairly superficial?
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:58 pm

Question for the experts:

If only one landing gear deployed, is it possible to only retract the rear landing gear? I think not, but wanted to confirm.

Is it safer to do a belly landing without landing gear, or with partially deployed gear as in this case?

Thanks.
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:11 pm

Well done to the pilots. But the news reporting is low standard - engine hitting the PAVEMENT. But then perhaps we cannot expect these reporters to know the piece of land for the plane to land is called the 'runway'. Most people know, may be not the reporter.
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:14 pm

zuckie13 wrote:
Looks like they exited using the rope from the cockpit window - in the video it's hanging down from the FO's side. Wonder why they'd choose that over using the door slide?


If you look at the images, the nose gear is significantly higher off the ground than would normally be the case. This would cause the door slides to be a bit steeper than normal as well, not saying that's why they chose the rope, but it's what first came to my mind.
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:16 pm

AirbusBoeing wrote:
Question for the experts:

If only one landing gear deployed, is it possible to only retract the rear landing gear? I think not, but wanted to confirm.

Is it safer to do a belly landing without landing gear, or with partially deployed gear as in this case?

Thanks.


No, you cannot selectively retract individual gear. The general rule of thumb is land with whatever you have. As you can see, in this case they did an excellent job and kept the jet right on the runway centerline despite the drag created by the dragging engine pod.
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:37 pm

guppyflyer wrote:
zuckie13 wrote:
Looks like they exited using the rope from the cockpit window - in the video it's hanging down from the FO's side. Wonder why they'd choose that over using the door slide?


If you look at the images, the nose gear is significantly higher off the ground than would normally be the case. This would cause the door slides to be a bit steeper than normal as well, not saying that's why they chose the rope, but it's what first came to my mind.


The B763F doesn't have slides, only escape reels for the L1 door or ropes from the FO's side cockpit #2 window.
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:39 pm

Another strange feature of the C-5, we, by pulling circuit breakers or using the buttons, selectively raise or lower individual gears. The buttons physically opened or closed the hydraulic power to the various actuators.
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:41 pm

SFOThinker wrote:
I am in awe of the skill and nerve of the pilots. Bravo!

Notice the hard right rudder deflection. I'll bet they shut down the left engine on approach.
Outstanding job, things like this are why they spend so much time in the sims.
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:48 pm

Daylight video: https://www.facebook.com/10456362295308 ... 3CkCd7&d=n


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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:53 pm

Great job by the crew.
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:03 pm

musapapaya wrote:
Well done to the pilots. But the news reporting is low standard - engine hitting the PAVEMENT. But then perhaps we cannot expect these reporters to know the piece of land for the plane to land is called the 'runway'. Most people know, may be not the reporter.

The definition of pavement is literally “Any paved area or surface.”

While I appreciate accuracy, some of the pedantic stuff on this site is crazy.
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:08 pm

good stuff by the crew!

Question time now tho......
The 767 should have an alternate extension ability right? Be is gravity or another system (electrical/hydraulic backup?). Why would that not of worked in getting the gear down? It seems that these alternate extension options don't seem to have a high success rate of working.
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:12 pm

divemaster08 wrote:
good stuff by the crew!

Question time now tho......
The 767 should have an alternate extension ability right? Be is gravity or another system (electrical/hydraulic backup?). Why would that not of worked in getting the gear down? It seems that these alternate extension options don't seem to have a high success rate of working.


All depends on the issue preventing the gear from fully extending. If it's some form of mechanical failure like a jam for example - there may be nothing that can be done. If its physically stuck then whether you use the prime hydraulic system, the backup hydraulics or try a gravity drop - it won't move.
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:20 pm

musapapaya wrote:
Well done to the pilots. But the news reporting is low standard - engine hitting the PAVEMENT. But then perhaps we cannot expect these reporters to know the piece of land for the plane to land is called the 'runway'. Most people know, may be not the reporter.


I don’t know, I remember from one of my Airport Management classes in college that most large runways are PAVED, with pavement bearing capacity and friction coefficients being key engineering concerns...

I don’t think the reporter’s use of the term “pavement” is incorrect.
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:32 pm

I love the commentary in the video "the plane appeared to stop in the middle of the runway"

Well, if you're going to stop, that's a good place to stop
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:34 pm

musapapaya wrote:
Well done to the pilots. But the news reporting is low standard - engine hitting the PAVEMENT. But then perhaps we cannot expect these reporters to know the piece of land for the plane to land is called the 'runway'. Most people know, may be not the reporter.

I noticed the reporter used the word "tarmac" but in US English that's an acceptable usage. It can refer to a type of surfacing material ( https://www.dictionary.com/browse/tarmac ) as opposed to a specific part of an airport.
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:36 pm

Anyone have the ATC recording?
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:45 pm

FlyHPN wrote:
Anyone have the ATC recording?

https://www.liveatc.net/recordings.php
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:46 pm

DoctorVenkman wrote:
FlyingViking wrote:
Sounds like the gear didn't deploy.


Now I'm no expert, but the video of the plane skidding down the runway on its engine seems to confirm that.


I think metal grinding on pavement is the sound he’s referring to :lol:
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:01 pm

Personally, I thought that the reporter did quite well.

None of the shock horror reports that we sometimes get.
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:13 pm

texas145 wrote:
FlyHPN wrote:
Anyone have the ATC recording?

https://www.liveatc.net/recordings.php


Laziness on my part for not looking. Thank you!
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:43 pm

Is egressing a plane using a rppe from the cockpit ever practiced by pilots?
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:55 pm

dfwjim1 wrote:
Is egressing a plane using a rppe from the cockpit ever practiced by pilots?


Should be part of the regular physicals!

The leg injury was presumably from the rope exit, rather than the landing?
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:22 pm

JibberJim wrote:
dfwjim1 wrote:
Is egressing a plane using a rppe from the cockpit ever practiced by pilots?


Should be part of the regular physicals!

The leg injury was presumably from the rope exit, rather than the landing?


Why didn't they use a ladder truck - it did not appear like the crew was in any imminent danger. Didn't look like any fuel fires were starting. I saw they had a stair truck, but presumably it couldn't dock because of the angle of the airplane. But why not just use the hydraulic extension ladder on the fire truck. From my armchair, there's no point risking a fall (which could be fatal) climbing out of the cockpit on a rope when the aircraft isn't on fire and there are other resources immediately available to get out.
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:31 pm

musapapaya wrote:
Well done to the pilots. But the news reporting is low standard - engine hitting the PAVEMENT. But then perhaps we cannot expect these reporters to know the piece of land for the plane to land is called the 'runway'. Most people know, may be not the reporter.


I think you need to actually read before criticizing. The actual sentence is:

"Sparks were seen as the aircraft slid along the runway, with the engine under the left wing scraping against the pavement."

Clearly the reporter knows the word, since he used it IN THE SAME SENTENCE YOU'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT. But using it again in place of "pavement" would result in something that reads like an 8-year-old wrote it.

Crikey, bro. Find something else to pick apart.
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:44 pm

Hello all,
I hope the injured pilot recovers fully. Considering this incident occurred in darkness and I don’t believe pilots practice egressing out the cockpit window down the rope, I can see either misjudging the height from the ground or just plain slipping on the rope to a hard landing on a foot/feet. As others have said, the mlg doors were down so did they have a hydraulic issue or when they gravity dropped the gear the left main gear had a mechanical issue? I hope it’s a one off issue and not something on other 767s or the tankers based on the 767 airframe...
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:56 pm

Great job by the pilots!

Looks like the landing gear door touched the runway prior to the engine and maybe even generated a lot of the sparks but didn't collapse (although difficult to tell in the daylight video). Is that normal in this situation or wouldn't the weight cause them to collapse?
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:23 pm

kraz911 wrote:
I hope it’s a one off issue and not something on other 767s or the tankers based on the 767 airframe...

Considering the 767 has been flying for nearly 40 years, it might be safe to say it’s not a design defect that decided to show it’s face today.
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:39 am

What other damage would there be from this? Looks like no tail strike didn’t seem to hit the belly.
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:58 am

I love that their landing on 2 out of 3 landing gears + an engine ended up more on center line (like EXACTLY on center line) than my landings with all gear down and working ;)

Great job pilots.
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:25 am

dfwjim1 wrote:
Is egressing a plane using a rppe from the cockpit ever practiced by pilots?


When I flew KC-135s a hundred years ago, I got to try it (for practice) a time or two. They told us not to use the pitot tube as a step, but in an actual emergency, it wouldn't be an issue. ;-)
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:28 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Another strange feature of the C-5, we, by pulling circuit breakers or using the buttons, selectively raise or lower individual gears. The buttons physically opened or closed the hydraulic power to the various actuators.


Speaking of fuses, the LOT 767 that belly landed a few years ago was a case of circuit breakers inadvertently switched by the pilots because of the location. It would be rather ironic and scary if this is the cause for this incident as well.
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:37 am

All vídeos i saw there was just one man leaving the a/c, was he flying solo?

But the big question is: why did he jump? Afraid of an explosion maybe? The airplane looks fine on this matter...
Maybe a moment of desperation?

Haven't heard so much about his condition, any news?
 
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Re: FedEx plane makes emergency landing at LAX

Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:55 am

FlyingElvii wrote:
SFOThinker wrote:
I am in awe of the skill and nerve of the pilots. Bravo!

Notice the hard right rudder deflection. I'll bet they shut down the left engine on approach.
Outstanding job, things like this are why they spend so much time in the sims.



I can almost guarantee you they didn’t shut down the left engine


For one thing a SE approach requires a reduced flap setting of 20 degrees on the 767 which results in a higher approach speed


The last thing you want when touching down with less than normal landing gear. The procedure does not call for it


Why give yourself more problems than you already have ?


The right rudder is for the enormous drag of the nacelle contacting the runway
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