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Re: TWA at LHR Question

Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:52 am

FCOTSTW wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
Did TWA also briefly operate a JFK-LGW service or am I just imaging that? I travelled often on TWA 700/TWA 701 as a teenager to/from LHR, and thought there was a LGW service for a short time, but I think I am wrong on this. I as 15 or 16 at the time, so not sure if that was accurate.


No, I do not recall any JFK-LGW at any time.


JFK-LGW is listed as x5 weekly in the July 1, 1983 timetable. I don't think it operated beyond Summer 1983.
 
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Re: TWA at LHR Question

Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:34 am

Ionosphere wrote:
FCOTSTW wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
Did TWA also briefly operate a JFK-LGW service or am I just imaging that? I travelled often on TWA 700/TWA 701 as a teenager to/from LHR, and thought there was a LGW service for a short time, but I think I am wrong on this. I as 15 or 16 at the time, so not sure if that was accurate.


No, I do not recall any JFK-LGW at any time.


JFK-LGW is listed as x5 weekly in the July 1, 1983 timetable. I don't think it operated beyond Summer 1983.


Thanks very much for confirming that. Guessing this was an L1011 service?
 
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Re: TWA at LHR Question

Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:01 pm

adambrau wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
adambrau wrote:

Just a slight correction as per my memory during my two years based in London 1985-1987:

JFK-LHR was TW700/702. Eastbound was odd-numbered.

ORD-LHR was TW770 and eastbound TW771.

LAX and BOS I recall except flight numbers.

My dad flew PHL-LHR around same time on a 767 variant.

STL was always to LGW.

PA was always dominant over TW at LHR and those flights I better remember. My favorite PA flight was PA 102 JFK-LHR-HAM-TXL. I always preferred PA crews to TW and sadly it's been years since either options are available. RIP TW and PA.


A few corrections. The first evening departure to LHR on TWA was TWA 708. The second was TWA 700. There was only one 767 type in the TWA fleet at the time the airline served LHR and that was the -200ER. TWA did not acquire 763s until the mid to late 1990s. Pan Am was larger than TWA at LHR for the most part. From what I recall (I was a teenager in the 1980s), TWA had overall better in flight service than Pan Am and maintained the cabin interiors a bit better.


I have a personal LHR bag tag from the mid 80's with TW702. So maybe it changed from time to time?



If it is 702 it is Eastbound. All even-numbered flights were from the U.S. to Europe.
 
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Re: TWA at LHR Question

Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:29 pm

I think most has been covered already but in peak summer 1990 which was the last full summer season TWA flew to Heathrow they operated the following into Heathrow:

TW700 JFK 747
TW702 JFK L1011 (this was a day flight with an evening arrival into Heathrow)
TW704 JFK 747
TW708 JFK 747/L1011
TW754 BOS L1011
TW756 PHL 767
TW760 LAX 747
TW770 ORD L1011

In addition there was an evening 727 service from Frankfurt TW715, this connected onto the last JFK departure. At this point TWA tended to use the L stands. At around the same time Pan Am had 9 transatlantic flights from Heathrow each day. As TWA also flew to Gatwick from St Louis with a 747 and Baltimore with a 767 they had more overall transatlantic departures from London. (just)

As has already been discussed TWA left Heathrow in July 1991, prior to this they operated:

TW700 JFK 747
TW708 JFK 747
TW754 BOS 767
TW756 PHL 767
TW760 LAX 747

Chicago had already gone, this had been reduced to 1 weekly to keep the rights prior to American starting Chicago to Gatwick. Philadelphia was transferred to Gatwick after AA started Heathrow operations, I don't know if TWA started this straight away or there was a gap in operations, this joined St Louis and Baltimore until Philadelphia and Baltimore authority was sold to US Air. St Louis & Philadelphia both where operated by AA at a later date to Gatwick and Heathrow respectively.

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Re: TWA at LHR Question

Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:27 pm

FCOTSTW wrote:
adambrau wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:

A few corrections. The first evening departure to LHR on TWA was TWA 708. The second was TWA 700. There was only one 767 type in the TWA fleet at the time the airline served LHR and that was the -200ER. TWA did not acquire 763s until the mid to late 1990s. Pan Am was larger than TWA at LHR for the most part. From what I recall (I was a teenager in the 1980s), TWA had overall better in flight service than Pan Am and maintained the cabin interiors a bit better.


I have a personal LHR bag tag from the mid 80's with TW702. So maybe it changed from time to time?



If it is 702 it is Eastbound. All even-numbered flights were from the U.S. to Europe.


Yeah it was TW702 JFK-LHR. I remember I had to store the bag at Heathrow for the day and the agent at the bag storage place looked at my bag and actually asked me "SO, how was the Trans World 702 flight?" to which I replied with a grin "Not too bad!".
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