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A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:03 pm

1st Flight - 8/25/1995
Share your thoughts and experiences on this neat little airplane.
I grew up in a America West/US Airways hub, so this was one of the most popular planes; and, along with America West's 757s and CRJ900s, are my favorite planes to fly on. As a plane spotter I always enjoy watching airplanes with outstanding takeoff and climb performance; other examples include MD11, 757, 717/MD95, CSeries, etc.

I remember being on a fully packed Air Canada Rouge A319 that pulled off a snowy runway in ~2900ft on rollout at YYC, quite impressive. The type is commonly used in a lot of challenging airports, such as Paro (Bhutan)-airport deep in a Himalayan valley, or Santos Dumont-with its very short runway, and every high altitude commercial airport in western China. It is also among the few jetliners that have landed in Antarctica.

(I'm not an expert, please correct these info if wrong - taking them from airfleets/wiki)
1482 were built, 88 in backlog. Biggest operators are Delta, American, easyjet, and United.

Impressive record too, there's been 1 hull loss while in service, in which no one was badly hurt.

Some good photos taken by various awesome photographers in the database:
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:20 pm

Nice little plane, although I never really got the economics — surely the extra operating cost of an A320 is paid for by a single row of seats. I know BA regret buying A319s, should have gone all A320/321. But not wishing to trash talk a very successful and super safe plane on her birthday. Cute too!
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:22 pm

Fantastic aircraft, although outdone by its older sisters, it was part of one of the biggest orders in Airbus's history, with the massive Easyjet order back in the early 2000s.
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:44 pm

cedarjet wrote:
Nice little plane, although I never really got the economics — surely the extra operating cost of an A320 is paid for by a single row of seats. I know BA regret buying A319s, should have gone all A320/321. But not wishing to trash talk a very successful and super safe plane on her birthday. Cute too!

In the early days:
1. Range, the A320 pre engine PiPs and sharklets wasn't enough.
2. Short field performance.
3. Engine maintenance
4. Before sharklets and engine PiPs, the A319 saved more fuel than it does today.

PiPs, including Sharklets, always benefit higher weights more than lighter. Long ago, an A319 flew 20,000 cycles (flights) between engine overhauls, the A320 about 16,000 to 17,000 and when the A321 was first going, Airlines were screaming about engine wear and tear.

Basically, at EIS, the A319 saved twice as much money per flight as it does today (for the CEO) and it had another ~400nm of range over the A320.

Flying reliable (without a fuel stop) TCON in an A320 was a challenge before the first PiPs unless payload was reduced (by carrying at most 140 pax). Forget going to Hawaii.

Today's A320 with Sharlets and the Select Two engine PiP is a different performer than a long time ago.

When did the A320 get the ACT (cargo hold fuel tank)? That wasn't in the earliest fuel system for the A320.

Remember back when we argued the A320s 2950nm range didn't have enough conservatism and that is why JetBlue had so many fuel stops? The same upgraded plane, 3200nm+. The NEO's range of 3,600nm is conservative.

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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:32 pm

Happy birthday A319! I have many flights on the 319, mainly on easyJet, with a few BA , and also a few on the ones Aer Lingus leased for a while.

The 319 was really "flavour of the month" in the mid 90's until the early 2000's. It's been an extremely successful aircraft in its own right, and I'm sure it will continue in service (especially in niche rolls) for years to come.
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:40 pm

My favorite of the A320 family. Always a fun ride!
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:42 pm

Honestly, I was more fond of the A318...Airbus' single-greatest achievement in the history of the company. A real looker too.
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:45 pm

The A318 and A319 are my favorite. Happy Birthday A319!
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Wed Aug 26, 2020 12:15 am

Happy 25th anniversary A319. Yes I absolutely agree it is a nice little aircraft to fly on, pilots love it. It has received a lot of orders since then from many airlines around the world. It is unfortunate that the A319NEO isn't doing well, but nevertheless we will enjoy the A319 of the current generation still for many more years to come, well past 2030. Last year, before we even heard of the Covid, I flew on two of them: one with American from CLT to FLL and one with British Airways from NCE to LHR. Prior to that I flew on other A319s. A pleasure.
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:10 am

lightsaber wrote:
Basically, at EIS, the A319 saved twice as much money per flight as it does today (for the CEO) and it had another ~400nm of range over the A320.

Flying reliable (without a fuel stop) TCON in an A320 was a challenge before the first PiPs unless payload was reduced (by carrying at most 140 pax). Forget going to Hawaii.

Today's A320 with Sharlets and the Select Two engine PiP is a different performer than a long time ago.

When did the A320 get the ACT (cargo hold fuel tank)? That wasn't in the earliest fuel system for the A320.

Remember back when we argued the A320s 2950nm range didn't have enough conservatism and that is why JetBlue had so many fuel stops? The same upgraded plane, 3200nm+. The NEO's range of 3,600nm is conservative.

Lightsaber


The early B6 A320s were configured at, what, 160 seats when they had forced tech stops on JFK-LAX/SFO into winter winds? They got rejiggered into 150 (saving an FA, too) and now are returning to 162.
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:23 am

I actually got to meet Steven Udvar-Hazy a few months ago and got to talk about the creation of the A319 and other aircraft that he has brought to aircraft companies. Definitely a great dude to talk aviation with!
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:33 am

KLMatSJC wrote:
I actually got to meet Steven Udvar-Hazy a few months ago and got to talk about the creation of the A319 and other aircraft that he has brought to aircraft companies. Definitely a great dude to talk aviation with!


Tell us more! Don't leave us hanging!
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:42 am

Love the A319. First flight MANY years ago was PHX-LAS. Very comfortable aircraft.
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:44 am

I've always been fond of the A319, it's definitely been overshadowed by its bigger siblings in more recent years but it's a nice aircraft and has a great record to look back on. My first A319 flight was probably with Bmi British Midland and plenty more followed with the likes of BA, AF, LH and of course, easyJet.

Aer Lingus was a little late to the A319 party, they briefly operated four aircraft between 2012-2015 before replacing them A320s again.



Happy Birthday A319!
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:15 am

My favorite plane! Certain now extinct airline used to call them the “boomerangs” (short fuselage, all wings, flies far and very reliable).

Before narrowbodies did long flights, the A319 was doing it in the 2000s. A pioneer.

Speaking of, with NEO engines and Sharklets, wouldnt the A319NEO range be one of the most impressive and desirable? Specially for Hot and High long haul..
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:55 am

smithbs wrote:
KLMatSJC wrote:
I actually got to meet Steven Udvar-Hazy a few months ago and got to talk about the creation of the A319 and other aircraft that he has brought to aircraft companies. Definitely a great dude to talk aviation with!


Tell us more! Don't leave us hanging!

I just talked about the A319 and the 77W and their effects on fleet and route strategies. Basically customers wanted more capacity out of the -200LR/more range out of the -300 and more range from the Airbus family. This was back when the 73G was the initial 737NG offering, so Airbus airlines wanted an aircraft to compete with that.
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:17 am

My first A319 flight was on UA DCA-ORD 10 Sep '97 N802UA...they were very new to UA at the time. My next 319 wasn't until 2012 on US (former HP plane) and I've since flown aboard a number of them. Mostly F9 (to "collect" different animal tails) but also another UA, US, AA, and a proper AA with Sharklets. Good little plane.
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:45 am

Happy birthday, A319! I think it's a very determined-looking aircraft. In a good way

No idea when my first flight on one was, certainly before I started recording it. Certainly had many of them, including BA, EasyJet, GermanWings and Eurowings. TAP? Probably. Sabena? No, as they didn't have any, I'm just seeing.
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:18 am

I remember when we picked up the Easyjet order it was quite a coup as they had just finished receiving its last 737-700s so it was seen as a little win over Boeing especially at the time it was kind of LCC boom where there were new carriers appearing left, right and centre. The Easyjet ones are also easy to identify as they had double over wing exits and one was of the few carriers to have such a spec.
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:27 am

That picture at the beginning of this thread of a 319 landing into Santos-Dumont SDU in Rio is stunning! You absolutely need a bit of perfomance there.
The 319 is the aircraft I’ve been flying the most with.
Many happy landings!
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:53 am

cedarjet wrote:
Nice little plane, although I never really got the economics — surely the extra operating cost of an A320 is paid for by a single row of seats.


That assertion is hard to reconcile against AA taking 30+ new-build A319s 2013-2015 from its July 2011 order.
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:19 am

Happy birthday A319, stunning only 1 aircraft was lost since it's first flight. A great achievement. Nice little plane with an even more powerful take-off than the A320. Hope to see the A319 in operation for many more years to come. Only such a shame, the A319NEO doesn't sell so well.
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Wed Aug 26, 2020 12:55 pm

SEU wrote:
Fantastic aircraft, although outdone by its older sisters, it was part of one of the biggest orders in Airbus's history, with the massive Easyjet order back in the early 2000s.


A lot of the early 319 purchases were for DC-9 and 732 replacements. AC bought them to replace the D9S, but since traffic was booming in the late 90s, AC ended up keeping around 15 nines. Like so many JT8D aircraft, 9/11 did the last of the D9Ses in.
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:26 pm

My first A319 flight was in 2000 on UA: DFW-LAX; My most recent (the 443rd!) was a couple of weeks ago on BA: EDI-LHR.
I've spent a lot of time travelling on A319s, mostly on LHR/LTN-EDI or EDI-LHR/LTN.
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:48 pm

My first A319 flight was DTW-ATL in maybe 2003 on NW. My most recent was PWM-ORD last July. I'm not a frequent flyer but have flown the A319 26 times since 2007 when I started detailed tracking.and have flown on 17 of 85 of UA's A319's (6 of them I have flown on more than once). I've flown on them with NW, UA, and F9 (both pre and post ULCC). I imagine that with the retirement of the MD's and pullback of 717 flying that it won't be long before I fly one on DL. Oddly I never flew on one with HP/US or AA.or NK.

Anyway, always loved the A319. When times are tough it is a really efficient workhorse. Its small size can also be used to push RASM in a good environment and it can fly some missions that really can't be flown with any other common mainline aircraft.
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:35 pm

lightsaber wrote:
1. Range, the A320 pre engine PiPs and sharklets wasn't enough.
2. Short field performance.
3. Engine maintenance
4. Before sharklets and engine PiPs, the A319 saved more fuel than it does today.


5. Aviation was much smaller at the time. Today we take it for granted that "you can just fill those extra seats". Back in the day, that was far from certain. Even EasyJet who were one of the pioneers with simple online bookings and cheap flights, couldn't reliably fill anything bigger than an A319, 737-700 or 737-300 at the time.
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:37 pm

santi319 wrote:
Speaking of, with NEO engines and Sharklets, wouldnt the A319NEO range be one of the most impressive and desirable? Specially for Hot and High long haul..


Well, in fact the A320NEO can be ordered with a short runway kit named START, which enables it to operate from runways as short as 1350m, albeit not at MTOW, of course. This is clearly into A319 territory and further closes down that niche.

Side note: Current A319NEO MTOW is at 75,5t, which is clearly above the MTOW of early A320 (68t). As usual, Airbus is evolving their airplanes for much better payload-range over the program's life.
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:58 pm

I think I've only flown on easyJet's A319s, but quite a few of them! It's not a looker, and I prefer the larger siblings, but it does have its own understated success. 1500 units is a good run for a minimal change variant.
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:08 pm

Always like a good performing plane, did a couple of legs YVR to MEX, Air Canada was using them on that flight up to recently, If you had the emergency window exit seat, you had a good 8' of leg room, perfect seat at a great price.
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:36 pm

Roughly 6 years ago, I was on a direct UA319 from IAD to SAN the month of December. The jet stream was howling west to east and the flight had to go through it to get to the west coast. Needless to say it was a bit bumpy at times, the pilot said they encountered 200 mph winds over the southern Rockies. The remarkable thing about the flight was that it was a 7 1/2 flight but no need to stop for fuel! Normal flight times for this flight is 5-6 hours depending on winds. A remarkable plane.
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:24 pm

My second favorite of the 320 series after pre-LCC Frontier's A318, which is the most comfortable narrowbody I've ever been on. Wish they would do a 318NEO-XLR
 
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Re: A319 - 25 Years since 1st Flight

Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:03 pm

Happy Birthday A319! As a Hamburger I of course have a special reliationship with the A319 as this airplane is also a "Hamburger" -- just like the A321 and A318.

Ive flown on A319s quite a lot:

My first A319 flight was in November 2005, and this was also germanwings first flight HAM-LGW and the first flight after their Hamburg base opened, and I was Security Number 001 :blockhead: . The aircraft (D-AKNT) was brand new, was just flown over from Finkenwerder a few days before. The return flight in the evening was an ex US Airways aircraft.

Other A319 flights:

HAM-SAW-HAM on Germanwings
HAM-LGW-HAM on Germanwings again
IST-PRG on CSA
HAM-BRU-CAG and CAG-BRU on Brussels Airlines
HAM-MUC on Lufthansa
NAP-MUC on Lufthansa
HAM-VIE on Austrian Airlines

I really like the A319 like most seem to do, its number two of my most flown aircraft types, after the 737-800.

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