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Did Flying Tiger Line ever order the L-1011?

Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:20 am

When I was at the LAX Flightpath Museum on February 15th 2020 I saw a model of a Flying Tiger L-1011 TriStar.

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My question is did Flying Tiger ever had planned to order the L-1011 TriStar?
 
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Re: Did Flying Tiger Line ever order the L-1011?

Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:21 am

I don't believe they did, they (lockheed) could have painted a model in FT colours as part of a sales pitch but I don't think FT placed any orders. If anything they would have probably gone with Douglas as they were operating DC-8s at the time.

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Re: Did Flying Tiger Line ever order the L-1011?

Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:51 am

Was there ever even a certified L1011 freighter? I have never heard of one
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Re: Did Flying Tiger Line ever order the L-1011?

Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:24 am

DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
Was there ever even a certified L1011 freighter? I have never heard of one


As a conversion only I believe. There were 10 converted in total, Kitty Hawk had 5 of them.

Edit: to add, Flying Tiger also had passenger ops for the US military.
 
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Re: Did Flying Tiger Line ever order the L-1011?

Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:06 pm

Tiger did a lot of Haj flying, too.
 
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Re: Did Flying Tiger Line ever order the L-1011?

Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:51 pm

It would have been great to see a L1011 in Flying Tiger colors. I loved seeing Flying Tigers and the L1011 as a kid.

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Re: Did Flying Tiger Line ever order the L-1011?

Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:29 pm

Both Arrow Air and Fine Air had them, I don’t know how many. I think Millon Air did too.
 
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Re: Did Flying Tiger Line ever order the L-1011?

Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:22 pm

PA12 wrote:
Both Arrow Air and Fine Air had them, I don’t know how many. I think Millon Air did too.


Yup Arrow Air had 3 (N306-308GB). Fine had 1 (N260FA) which I believe was the former Millon Air one. Tradewinds had 1 also (N311EA).
 
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Re: Did Flying Tiger Line ever order the L-1011?

Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:07 pm

Manufactures of the era prior to the internet and great custom programs, built models for the airlines to show what the plane would look like in their colors. Eye candy. They are highly sought after for collectors. I have a few. Flying tigers and TWA L-500 (C-5), Delta propfan MD 95, Delta C&S viscount. TWA caravelle, and a few others in storage. Many were made using the Concorde in all different airline liveries.

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Re: Did Flying Tiger Line ever order the L-1011?

Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:22 pm

FX1816 wrote:
PA12 wrote:
Both Arrow Air and Fine Air had them, I don’t know how many. I think Millon Air did too.


Yup Arrow Air had 3 (N306-308GB). Fine had 1 (N260FA) which I believe was the former Millon Air one. Tradewinds had 1 also (N311EA).


Kalitta also had a few.
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Re: Did Flying Tiger Line ever order the L-1011?

Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:20 pm

DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
Was there ever even a certified L1011 freighter? I have never heard of one


Lockheed did have a mod program, via its Aircraft Services as seen here: https://blog.tristar500.net/2007/09/tristar-2000.html
 
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Re: Did Flying Tiger Line ever order the L-1011?

Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:07 pm

reltney wrote:
Manufactures of the era prior to the internet and great custom programs, built models for the airlines to show what the plane would look like in their colors. Eye candy. They are highly sought after for collectors. I have a few. Flying tigers and TWA L-500 (C-5), Delta propfan MD 95, Delta C&S viscount. TWA caravelle, and a few others in storage. Many were made using the Concorde in all different airline liveries.

Cheers


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The NW museum in MSP, likewise, has an A330 with the 1968 livery and the original winglet design that Airbus scrapped, along with a SuperFan A340 in the bowling shoe Landor livery. The SuperFan never made it off the drawing board, and NW never operated the A340 even though NW eventually built up what at one time was the world’s largest A330 fleet.

And the AA C.R. Smith Museum has a DC-10 model in the 1964-1968 Astrojet livery introduced on the 727. No AA widebody of any kind ever had this livery.
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Re: Did Flying Tiger Line ever order the L-1011?

Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:47 pm

Tigers did have some 707 pax aircraft and I believe some DC-8. They were a major troop carrier during the Vietnam War so the Tristar could have been pitched to serve this market. They later stopped pax traffic for a while only to restart with Metro International (a sub brand).

The Tristar freighter conversion came much later.

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Re: Did Flying Tiger Line ever order the L-1011?

Thu Aug 27, 2020 3:32 am

FWAERJ wrote:
reltney wrote:
Manufactures of the era prior to the internet and great custom programs, built models for the airlines to show what the plane would look like in their colors. Eye candy. They are highly sought after for collectors. I have a few. Flying tigers and TWA L-500 (C-5), Delta propfan MD 95, Delta C&S viscount. TWA caravelle, and a few others in storage. Many were made using the Concorde in all different airline liveries.

Cheers


At UA headquarters at Willis Tower, there’s an A321ceo with IAE V2500 engines in the first post-CO merger livery. UA didn’t order the A321 until the XLR, and all UA A321XLRs will be in the new “Connecting people. Uniting the world.” livery.

The NW museum in MSP, likewise, has an A330 with the 1968 livery and the original winglet design that Airbus scrapped, along with a SuperFan A340 in the bowling shoe Landor livery. The SuperFan never made it off the drawing board, and NW never operated the A340 even though NW eventually built up what at one time was the world’s largest A330 fleet.

And the AA C.R. Smith Museum has a DC-10 model in the 1964-1968 Astrojet livery introduced on the 727. No AA widebody of any kind ever had this livery.



Super cool!

I actually touched up that DC-10 model at the CR smith museum when I worked at the training center in the early 90s. Delta has a A340 model in widget colors in their store room for the museum...might try and get a pic if I can get back there again... thanks for the info..!
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Re: Did Flying Tiger Line ever order the L-1011?

Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:04 am

69bug wrote:
Tigers did have some 707 pax aircraft and I believe some DC-8. They were a major troop carrier during the Vietnam War so the Tristar could have been pitched to serve this market. They later stopped pax traffic for a while only to restart with Metro International (a sub brand).

The Tristar freighter conversion came much later.

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The Tigers 707s and DC-8s were convertible freighters, so they served a multitude of duties. When the L-1011 came out, it was not capable of doing anything but hauling passengers and it stayed that way, until aftermarket companies came along. This aircraft really would not have been a good choice for any of the supplemental carriers that made a living hauling troops and cargo.
 
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Re: Did Flying Tiger Line ever order the L-1011?

Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:14 am

The L1011 was a great passenger aircraft but not a real success as a freighter, it needed more maintenance than the DC10 and couldn’t come close to the -30’s range and payload performance
The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.


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