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Has a 787 ever been to LGA?

Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:27 pm

I'm fairly certain that the 787 has never been to LGA, but I saw somewhere someone claims American did from O'Hare. If I'm wrong, please enlighten me.
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Re: 787 @ LGA???

Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:35 pm

Pretty sure there's never been one at LGA.

Might've been a simulator?
 
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Re: 787 @ LGA???

Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:37 pm

From an old thread, asking abot 783, but applicable to the others:

DAL767400ER wrote:
Neither 787 variant will be allowed into DCA, mainly due to weight, and in the case of the 788 and 789, wingspan. Almost the same for LGA, though the 783 should be within the weight limits at LGA, and wingspan-wise, it would fit into gates currently used by the 764. That said, I doubt we will see any 783 being operated into LGA.

Ref: viewtopic.php?t=463815

I think the AA claim was based on bad information, the well known FR24 glitch when the equipment is changed but the flight number stays the same.

Nope, there has never been a 787 or larger that has landed at LaGuardia. The taxiways are far too narrow to handle it.

Plus, that’s just a typical FlightRadar24 glitch. It’s actually a 737-800 flying that route. The 787 flies the PEK-ORD leg with a 787-8 which shares that same flight number. ;)

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Re: 787 @ LGA???

Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:41 pm

AA has flown 767s to LGA in ancient history, but never a 787 (nor anyone else).
 
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Re: 787 @ LGA???

Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:43 pm

Revelation wrote:
From an old thread, asking abot 783, but applicable to the others:

DAL767400ER wrote:
Neither 787 variant will be allowed into DCA, mainly due to weight, and in the case of the 788 and 789, wingspan. Almost the same for LGA, though the 783 should be within the weight limits at LGA, and wingspan-wise, it would fit into gates currently used by the 764. That said, I doubt we will see any 783 being operated into LGA.

Ref: viewtopic.php?t=463815

I think the AA claim was based on bad information, the well known FR24 glitch.


I also came across this old post a few moments ago prior to posting. I'm not sure how big American's gates are at LGA, but I do know that Air Canada occasionally sends a 763 and Delta has at least 1 gate that can accommodate a 764.
 
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Re: 787 @ LGA???

Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:51 pm

AFAIK, the weight limit at LGA is 360,000 lbs. The 787-8 could make it in and out empty, and it could probably even make it out with 250 passengers for a two-hour flight -- OEW is 264,500 lb. But in reality it'd just be uneconomic to use the 787 at LGA. I'm not even sure the bags could make it out with the passengers.
 
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Re: 787 @ LGA???

Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:21 pm

Delta regularly used to fly 763s and even 764s between LGA and ATL. I flew on them. They also flew L1011s from LGA back in the day, to at least ATL. Flew on those too.

And AA flew DC10s.
 
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Re: 787 @ LGA???

Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:41 pm

ScottB wrote:
AFAIK, the weight limit at LGA is 360,000 lbs. The 787-8 could make it in and out empty, and it could probably even make it out with 250 passengers for a two-hour flight -- OEW is 264,500 lb. But in reality it'd just be uneconomic to use the 787 at LGA. I'm not even sure the bags could make it out with the passengers.


I believe the wingspan is too long anyway.
 
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Re: 787 @ LGA???

Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:44 pm

wjcandee wrote:
Delta regularly used to fly 763s and even 764s between LGA and ATL. I flew on them. They also flew L1011s from LGA back in the day, to at least ATL. Flew on those too.

And AA flew DC10s.


Not just to ATL from LGA, but also CVG, FLL, MCO, and PBI. Not sure if DL ever used 767s for LGA-TPA. DFW got AA & DL 762s as well. AA & UA used 762s to ORD in the 80s and UA had some LGA-DEN flights on the 762 as well. TW had 762s to STL.
 
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Re: 787 @ LGA???

Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:48 pm

ScottB wrote:
AFAIK, the weight limit at LGA is 360,000 lbs. The 787-8 could make it in and out empty, and it could probably even make it out with 250 passengers for a two-hour flight -- OEW is 264,500 lb. But in reality it'd just be uneconomic to use the 787 at LGA. I'm not even sure the bags could make it out with the passengers.


I've heard that other widebodies have been used to LGA in the past. I read somewhere that the DC-10 and L-1011 "were specifically designed to use LaGuardia." Yes, I know, three engines vs. two, but still. I'm surprised that the 787 cannot.
 
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Re: 787 @ LGA???

Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:10 pm

wjcandee wrote:
They also flew L1011s from LGA back in the day, to at least ATL.


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Re: 787 @ LGA???

Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:11 pm

Kno wrote:
ScottB wrote:
AFAIK, the weight limit at LGA is 360,000 lbs. The 787-8 could make it in and out empty, and it could probably even make it out with 250 passengers for a two-hour flight -- OEW is 264,500 lb. But in reality it'd just be uneconomic to use the 787 at LGA. I'm not even sure the bags could make it out with the passengers.


I believe the wingspan is too long anyway.


Not sure if it is too long for the new config, but it is 27' longer than the 764. The 764 was designed for LGA ops and especially to meet the requirement by DL to fit at the DL terminal in the old config. I remember them using a 763 one Sunday and moving it around to position it as a 764 for testing.
 
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Re: 787 @ LGA???

Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:13 pm

ScottB wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
Delta regularly used to fly 763s and even 764s between LGA and ATL. I flew on them. They also flew L1011s from LGA back in the day, to at least ATL. Flew on those too.

And AA flew DC10s.


Not sure if DL ever used 767s for LGA-TPA.


They did, 762s and 763s.
 
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Re: 787 @ LGA???

Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:24 pm

LGA can’t handle the 787’s wingspan.

The 764 is the widest thing that can operate there, and even then it has taxiway and taxiing speed restrictions.

catiii wrote:
Kno wrote:
ScottB wrote:
AFAIK, the weight limit at LGA is 360,000 lbs. The 787-8 could make it in and out empty, and it could probably even make it out with 250 passengers for a two-hour flight -- OEW is 264,500 lb. But in reality it'd just be uneconomic to use the 787 at LGA. I'm not even sure the bags could make it out with the passengers.


I believe the wingspan is too long anyway.


Not sure if it is too long for the new config, but it is 27' longer than the 764. The 764 was designed for LGA ops and especially to meet the requirement by DL to fit at the DL terminal in the old config. I remember them using a 763 one Sunday and moving it around to position it as a 764 for testing.

The new LGA did not change much airside. The terminal was essentially just built out into the old parking lot to give passengers more space.
 
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Re: 787 @ LGA???

Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:53 pm

Revelation wrote:
From an old thread, asking abot 783, but applicable to the others:

DAL767400ER wrote:
Neither 787 variant will be allowed into DCA, mainly due to weight, and in the case of the 788 and 789, wingspan.


I know it doesn't really count, but the 787 visited DCA on at least two occasions for promotional purposes. In 2012 a 787-8 stopped by:

https://www.arlnow.com/2012/05/07/boein ... ds-at-dca/
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ML2Tw2CytZg/ ... 820152.jpg

In 2015, there was a pre-delivery ceremony involving a Vietnam Airlines 787-9, held at DCA for political purposes:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/todayint ... /29805387/

Obviously, the aircraft was flown in near empty for these two occasions, so these visits don't reflect on the airport's ability to handle a 787 in regular passenger operations.
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Re: Has a 787 ever been to LGA?

Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:38 pm

LGA doesn't see widebodies anymore, those days are gone. It doesn't even see 757s anymore. It sees 737s, A320s, CRJ and ERJs. That's it.
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Re: Has a 787 ever been to LGA?

Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:54 pm

Wasn't even the original 777 designed to fit into LGA? IT had optional folding outer wings to reduce the span when parking.
 
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Re: Has a 787 ever been to LGA?

Thu Aug 27, 2020 3:30 pm

Noshow wrote:
Wasn't even the original 777 designed to fit into LGA? IT had optional folding outer wings to reduce the span when parking.


The A-Market 777 was initially conceived with folding wingtips to fit in ADG Type IV gates (DC-10/767) at the request of United and others. In the case of United, this was to allow 777s to use DC-10 gates at the old Stapleton (can I say that anymore?) and in the alley between B and C at ORD. The plan was scrapped early on due to the complexity and added weight.

Theoretically, a Type IV-compliant 777 could fit in gates at LGA, as there were (and remain) several, but I don't think 777 operations were ever really contemplated at LGA due to weight restrictions and performance issues. The 767-400, on the other hand, was developed to meet a requirement from Delta to fit in existing 767 gates and be suitable for LGA operations. DL flew 764s into LGA on a regular basis for a few years after service entry.
 
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Re: Has a 787 ever been to LGA?

Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:37 pm

IIRC some years back AA at least once or twice flew the A300 into LGA. Again if memory serves me there were hordes of paxs stranded at MIA due to snow in the NE and AA used the A300 to clear out the backlog and get them back to NYC. Can't remember why AA just didn't fly them to JFK.
 
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Re: 787 @ LGA???

Thu Aug 27, 2020 8:42 pm

Revelation wrote:
From an old thread, asking abot 783, but applicable to the others:

DAL767400ER wrote:
Neither 787 variant will be allowed into DCA, mainly due to weight, and in the case of the 788 and 789, wingspan. Almost the same for LGA, though the 783 should be within the weight limits at LGA, and wingspan-wise, it would fit into gates currently used by the 764. That said, I doubt we will see any 783 being operated into LGA.

Ref: viewtopic.php?t=463815

I think the AA claim was based on bad information, the well known FR24 glitch when the equipment is changed but the flight number stays the same.

Nope, there has never been a 787 or larger that has landed at LaGuardia. The taxiways are far too narrow to handle it.

Plus, that’s just a typical FlightRadar24 glitch. It’s actually a 737-800 flying that route. The 787 flies the PEK-ORD leg with a 787-8 which shares that same flight number. ;)

Ref: https://community.infiniteflight.com/t/ ... t/108741/8



Except, why would the 783 fit in the 764 gates? Wasn't it supposed to replace the 764 before cancellation?
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