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Hanoi Noi Bai (HAN) might be doubled in size with 4 runways and 4 terminals

Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:30 am

Report: https://e.vnexpress.net/news/business/industries/vietnam-plans-further-expansion-to-hanoi-s-noi-bai-airport-4147257.html
As HAN is currently the centre of Vietnamese aviation, as well of being the main hub of the country's 2 biggest carriers: Vietnam Airlines and VietJet Air, and being the secodary hub for all other Vietnamese carriers including Pacific Airlines (owned by VN, former Jetstar Pacific), VASCO (VN's regional subsidiary) and the rising newbie Bamboo Airways.
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Similar to SGN (which would be saved by the proposed Long Thành Int'l Airport), HAN is being overloaded. That is while the Vietnam's gov has reccomended a plan to build at least one more runway and one more terminal for HAN in the next decades, and also suggested to build up to 2 more runways and terminals to meet the 2050 demand.
By 2030, the airport will have an estimated capacity of 63 million passengers and two million tons of cargo per year. To meet this need, the CAAV has proposed building a third runway south of Vo Nguyen Giap Street, 2,200 meters (7,200 feet) away from the existing runway 1B.

The airport's existing terminal T2 would be expanded to reach a capacity of 30-40 million passengers per year, and a new terminal T3 with a capacity of 30 million passengers per year would be built to the south.

By 2050, the CAAV estimates the airport to serve 100 million passengers and handle 5 million tons of cargo each year.

The airport's plans would therefore be adjusted with the additions of a fourth runway to the south as well as terminal T4 with an annual capacity of 25 million passengers at the site of the current terminal T1 and a new terminal T5 with a capacity of 25 million passengers, should the need arise.

The number of passengers and cargo passing through the Noi Bai Airport has been increasing by an average of 10 percent per year, with the airport receiving nearly 26 million passengers in 2018 and about 29 million passengers in 2019.

However, the airport is only designed to handle 25 million passengers per year, with the domestic terminal T1 having a capacity of 15 million and the international terminal T2 is servicing the remaining 10 million passengers per year.


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How do you think about that? Neccessary? Or Vietnam just needs to direct HAN's traffic to nearby airport such as VDO and HPH, which are good and new airports with ability to hold large aircraft?
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Re: Hanoi Noi Bai (HAN) might be doubled in size with 4 runways and 4 terminals

Thu Aug 27, 2020 3:38 am

Been through Hanoi a few times both internationally and domestically. I never thought it was too cramped for space. The completely separate terminals were the bigger issue as our driver went to the wrong one once, causing a bit of backtracking and distress. Not sure if they'll be addressing this by having one centralized terminal...
 
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Re: Hanoi Noi Bai (HAN) might be doubled in size with 4 runways and 4 terminals

Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:08 am

Perhaps doing a whole new airport like in HCM is a better idea, lot's of farming areas around the south and south-east of the city, it seems a little bit difficult to move so much people from the villages near HAN airport.
Also a whole new development will allow to expand the infrastructures and better taxiway structure, the current layout of the airport is not very good.

HAN could stay there for low cost airlines and mainly domestic and some selected international flights, more or less like Osaka or Seoul did in the past with the airports, I think that's the same idea the VN government is considering for Ho Chi Minh city.
 
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Re: Hanoi Noi Bai (HAN) might be doubled in size with 4 runways and 4 terminals

Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:08 am

Antaras wrote:
As HAN is currently the centre of Vietnamese aviation, as well of being the main hub of the country's 2 biggest carriers: Vietnam Airlines

Seeing as (using January 2020) SGN was a busier overall airport, a larger international gateway, hosted more total airlines, and offered more total destinations as well as destinations served by VN...

...how then is HAN the center or "main hub" of anything? :confused:

In fact, about the only metric that HAN leads SGN in at all, is cargo tonnage.
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Re: Hanoi Noi Bai (HAN) might be doubled in size with 4 runways and 4 terminals

Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:29 am

LAX772LR wrote:
Antaras wrote:
As HAN is currently the centre of Vietnamese aviation, as well of being the main hub of the country's 2 biggest carriers: Vietnam Airlines

Seeing as (using January 2020) SGN was a busier overall airport, a larger international gateway, hosted more total airlines, and offered more total destinations as well as destinations served by VN...

...how then is HAN the center or "main hub" of anything? :confused:

In fact, about the only metric that HAN leads SGN in at all, is cargo tonnage.


I think SGN has always been a bigger airport and bigger economy than Hanoi, and if the plan is to create a hub to serve South East Asia, places like Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia, Philippine.. I think SGN is better positioned, however it won't be easy to steal pax from places like SIN, HKG, BKK,
 
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Re: Hanoi Noi Bai (HAN) might be doubled in size with 4 runways and 4 terminals

Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:15 am

LAX772LR wrote:
Antaras wrote:
As HAN is currently the centre of Vietnamese aviation, as well of being the main hub of the country's 2 biggest carriers: Vietnam Airlines

Seeing as (using January 2020) SGN was a busier overall airport, a larger international gateway, hosted more total airlines, and offered more total destinations as well as destinations served by VN...

...how then is HAN the center or "main hub" of anything? :confused:

In fact, about the only metric that HAN leads SGN in at all, is cargo tonnage.


But you can't denied the importance of HAN.
Besides the fact that it is not as busy as SGN, it still holds a sizeable number of int'l routes.
And just like SGN, HAN would be bluffed soon if there is no expansion plan.
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Re: Hanoi Noi Bai (HAN) might be doubled in size with 4 runways and 4 terminals

Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:17 am

Antaras wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Antaras wrote:
As HAN is currently the centre of Vietnamese aviation, as well of being the main hub of the country's 2 biggest carriers: Vietnam Airlines

Seeing as (using January 2020) SGN was a busier overall airport, a larger international gateway, hosted more total airlines, and offered more total destinations as well as destinations served by VN...

...how then is HAN the center or "main hub" of anything? :confused:

In fact, about the only metric that HAN leads SGN in at all, is cargo tonnage.

But you can't denied the importance of HAN.
Besides the fact that it is not as busy as SGN, it still holds a sizeable number of int'l routes.
And just like SGN, HAN would be bluffed soon if there is no expansion plan.

So in other words, that was just nonsense that you made up.... :roll:
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Re: Hanoi Noi Bai (HAN) might be doubled in size with 4 runways and 4 terminals

Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:50 am

My recollection of HAN is that there is a large military base coexisting with the civil side, indeed there are hardstands all along the side of the runway with Russian-built fighters. Little sign of any hangers for any airline maintenance, all of which IMO is at SGN. No room for (much) expansion on the current site, no likelihood of the military moving out! The overall size of HAN is way smaller than SGN in almost all measures

Thus I also question the opening statements that HAN is the centre of Vietnamese aviation. It's clearly not! Has the OP actually set foot in either SGN or HAN?

I do recall that the international terminal was very comfortable and not very crowded, even at "rush hours" (my experience was departing to KUL at 9am, 2013)
 
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Re: Hanoi Noi Bai (HAN) might be doubled in size with 4 runways and 4 terminals

Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:15 am

HAN certainly needs more runway as it is approaching 800-1000 daily take offs and landings. However it is hard to position itself as transit hub like SIN, BKK or HKG, not exactly well positioned for Europe - SEA like BKK or North America - SEA like HKG, ICN, NRT, TPE. The only sensible transit market is EU - AUS which is cut throat competitive. Any development for HAN should just focus on O&D traffic.
 
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Re: Hanoi Noi Bai (HAN) might be doubled in size with 4 runways and 4 terminals

Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:04 am

potter787 wrote:
HAN certainly needs more runway as it is approaching 800-1000 daily take offs and landings. However it is hard to position itself as transit hub like SIN, BKK or HKG, not exactly well positioned for Europe - SEA like BKK or North America - SEA like HKG, ICN, NRT, TPE. The only sensible transit market is EU - AUS which is cut throat competitive. Any development for HAN should just focus on O&D traffic.


This is ridiculous - there are lots of theoretical SE Asia-Japan/Korea/Philippines/China/Australia connections possible in HAN, very similar to HKG locationally and needs neither Europe or North American feed to be successful

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