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Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:51 am

Welcome to the September 2020 Australian Aviation.

Link to August 2020 viewtopic.php?p=22394141#p22394141
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:16 am

Claims that Virgin Australia cleared a pilot to fly for three years, despite him telling them that he was not mentally fit for duty.

https://www.theklaxon.com.au/home/suicidal-virgin-pilot-cleared-by-airline-doctors-for-three-years
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:57 am

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Claims that Virgin Australia cleared a pilot to fly for three years, despite him telling them that he was not mentally fit for duty.

https://www.theklaxon.com.au/home/suicidal-virgin-pilot-cleared-by-airline-doctors-for-three-years

If ture that would be quite a serious allegation to be made. Just shows what sort of airline VA really was.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:00 am

After NWK receives ex JQ A320 -JQX the following 4 are ex 3K birds currently stored, not confirmed but believed to be/include 9V-JSB/F and H.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:41 am

Ooops my bad with starting this thread a day early! Totally got my dates mixed up.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:04 am

Does Network need the growth or will they start retiring F100s?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:43 am

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Does Network need the growth or will they start retiring F100s?

QF is taking the 717 out of WA so it needs something to backfill its role. They can always use A320 to upgrade F100 routes that have high demand and use F100s where it's really needed.

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Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:05 am

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The 1st Qantas Freighter Airbus A321 P2F (converted from passenger variant into freighter)

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:30 pm

REX revenue up $4 million vs last year despite coronavirus... :scratchchin:

https://www.smh.com.au/business/compani ... 55r29.html

Around 20% of their total revenue of $321m was made up of government assistance ($62m). And here they are still plotting on with their plans to take on QF/VA...
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:22 pm

eamondzhang wrote:
allrite wrote:
Claims that Virgin Australia cleared a pilot to fly for three years, despite him telling them that he was not mentally fit for duty.

https://www.theklaxon.com.au/home/suicidal-virgin-pilot-cleared-by-airline-doctors-for-three-years

If ture that would be quite a serious allegation to be made. Just shows what sort of airline VA really was.

Michael


Just goes to show the financial pressures they were under. a $287k payout would have been a major issue for them.

I cant work out though, did he actually fly in this time?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:23 pm

qf2220 wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
allrite wrote:
Claims that Virgin Australia cleared a pilot to fly for three years, despite him telling them that he was not mentally fit for duty.

https://www.theklaxon.com.au/home/suicidal-virgin-pilot-cleared-by-airline-doctors-for-three-years

If ture that would be quite a serious allegation to be made. Just shows what sort of airline VA really was.

Michael


Just goes to show the financial pressures they were under. a $287k payout would have been a major issue for them.

I cant work out though, did he actually fly in this time?

Yep indeed. Apparently he did not fly as he reported unfit for work by himself despite the airline says otherwise (and apparently it's leave without pay).

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:47 pm

eamondzhang wrote:
allrite wrote:
Claims that Virgin Australia cleared a pilot to fly for three years, despite him telling them that he was not mentally fit for duty.

https://www.theklaxon.com.au/home/suicidal-virgin-pilot-cleared-by-airline-doctors-for-three-years

If ture that would be quite a serious allegation to be made. Just shows what sort of airline VA really was.

Michael

If true it doesn't "show what sort of airline VA was" (well, is because it hasn't gone anywhere), but it does indicate there may be more to the story if this is an isolated case, though if it is true we'll have to wait until the ATSB and/or CASA investigation to find out why this happened.

I'm not at all saying the pilot's story isn't an awful situation, but that website is somewhat questionable, there's at least five anti-VA stories on there with some far-fetched claims.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:00 am

EK413 wrote:
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The 1st Qantas Freighter Airbus A321 P2F (converted from passenger variant into freighter)

Photo: Marteo Tan.

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Looks great! Are these due to replace any of the 734s? QF freight does have a mixed fleet.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:48 am

smi0006 wrote:
EK413 wrote:
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The 1st Qantas Freighter Airbus A321 P2F (converted from passenger variant into freighter)

Photo: Marteo Tan.

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Looks great! Are these due to replace any of the 734s? QF freight does have a mixed fleet.

QF only has 1 734F and they got that like 4 years ago. Maybe replacing a 733F but i doubt it given the current market.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:47 pm

Any updates on Alliance Airlines Embraer E190 order from Copa airlines? Apparently the first is meant to arrive in Australia this September... Any news on Aircraft rego, current movements etc?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:56 pm

QQ E190.

Nothing been added to the Register as of last Friday.

Even the A321P2F hasn't been added as yet.

The above is a 3hr+ flight test conducted on the 30/08.

It (VH-ULD) should also be due for delivery.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:04 am

grh wrote:
QQ E190.

Nothing been added to the Register as of last Friday.

Even the A321P2F hasn't been added as yet.

The above is a 3hr+ flight test conducted on the 30/08.

It (VH-ULD) should also be due for delivery.


Thanks for that! So the A321P2F for Qantas Freight has been confirmed as VH Rego VH-ULD?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:20 am

grh wrote:
QQ E190.

Nothing been added to the Register as of last Friday.

Even the A321P2F hasn't been added as yet.

The above is a 3hr+ flight test conducted on the 30/08.

It (VH-ULD) should also be due for delivery.


That's a clever rego for a freighter. I like that they're having a little fun with it!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:41 am

Captainjc9 wrote:
grh wrote:
QQ E190.

Nothing been added to the Register as of last Friday.

Even the A321P2F hasn't been added as yet.

The above is a 3hr+ flight test conducted on the 30/08.

It (VH-ULD) should also be due for delivery.


Thanks for that! So the A321P2F for Qantas Freight has been confirmed as VH Rego VH-ULD?

That's what's painted on its rudder.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:39 am

Yep, ULD for unit load device

Also note: LD on nosewheel door
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:26 am

With all the talk of Virgin restarting under Bain ownership, can anyone share or link to how they will access international traffic rights? There have been a few articles in the past few days (AFR, Exec Traveller) where Paul Scurrah has mentioned going back to NZ and LAX, yet Bain is a foreign owned entity.

The only way I can think this is going to work is Bain US is lending cash to Bain Australia (if that exists??).

Anyone share any clues?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:32 am

Boof wrote:
With all the talk of Virgin restarting under Bain ownership, can anyone share or link to how they will access international traffic rights? There have been a few articles in the past few days (AFR, Exec Traveller) where Paul Scurrah has mentioned going back to NZ and LAX, yet Bain is a foreign owned entity.

The only way I can think this is going to work is Bain US is lending cash to Bain Australia (if that exists??).

Anyone share any clues?


Similar if not same arrangement how VAi (and ANi before VA/DJ) where 51% ownership is owned by "Australian institutions"?

If this was the case with VA mk 2, the scenario would be 49% owned by Bain Capital and the 51% owned by "Australian Institutions" like VAi and ANi before them.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:15 am

I believe under the preferred scenario (ie. Vote gets up) that the existing structure stays in place and VA Group comes out of administration with a new equity holder and without a bunch of debts/liabilities/leases.

The underlying structure and AOC of VAi would remain, with I assume the same old 50+% Australian shareholders in that sub-entity and no doubt some big losses.

Under the fallback, which seems to be an asset purchase I suspect things become a bit more complex
 
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Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:31 am

EK413 wrote:
Image

The 1st Qantas Freighter Airbus A321 P2F (converted from passenger variant into freighter)

Photo: Marteo Tan.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Nice to see an A321 in QF colours.

Just some questions about the conversion from passenger to freighter for anyone who knows about it?

1. What do they plug/fill in the existing windows with?
2. Does it still maintain some sort of similarity with the passenger version in keeping a main deck and cargo hold? Yes I can see the cargo doors in the pic, just not sure if it goes into a cargo hold or a big, open space.
3. Do they retain the existing passenger doors or replace those with something different to facilitate loading/unloading?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:21 am

Chipmunk1973 wrote:
EK413 wrote:
Image

The 1st Qantas Freighter Airbus A321 P2F (converted from passenger variant into freighter)

Photo: Marteo Tan.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Nice to see an A321 in QF colours.

Just some questions about the conversion from passenger to freighter for anyone who knows about it?

1. What do they plug/fill in the existing windows with?
2. Does it still maintain some sort of similarity with the passenger version in keeping a main deck and cargo hold? Yes I can see the cargo doors in the pic, just not sure if it goes into a cargo hold or a big, open space.
3. Do they retain the existing passenger doors or replace those with something different to facilitate loading/unloading?

Thanks in advance.


Windows are usually plugged with blanks, similar to what is used behind lavs and galleys that are in front if window apertures. Normally they are metal. But perhaps to save weight composite ones could or have been developed.

For doors, there’s pictures of this A321 prior to painting in QF colours. These show quite clearly where the structural modifications have been made. But in summary a main deck entry door has been added on the left side forward of the wing. Lower deck cargo hold remains unchanged.

Believe this modification alters the forward door arrangement to allow installation of the required barrier between the crew area and main deck cargo bay. For the other doors they are mechanically deactivated/plugged. Again the same pictures onlinr prior to paint show the doors that have been altered and those which have not been.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:40 am

Does anyone recall the (I think, weekly?) SYD-ADL-HKG service? Is that purely cargo? I can't seem to find the flights on the website (just curious, not actually gonna book a ticket :) )
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:10 am

Ellofiend wrote:
Does anyone recall the (I think, weekly?) SYD-ADL-HKG service? Is that purely cargo? I can't seem to find the flights on the website (just curious, not actually gonna book a ticket :) )


With QF? I'm not aware of anything like this in recent memory, the closest I recall is QF81 SYD-ADL-SIN which ran three times a week before ADL-SIN was cut completely a few years ago. From memory SYD-ADL got one A330 per week with an equipment change in ADL the other two days a week. For a period, the inbound ADL aircraft was also the one used for QF51 SIN-BOM.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:18 am

Ellofiend wrote:
Does anyone recall the (I think, weekly?) SYD-ADL-HKG service? Is that purely cargo? I can't seem to find the flights on the website (just curious, not actually gonna book a ticket :) )



Yep purely cargo, CX under the Fed Govt support package which also sees them operate a SYD-Wellcamp-HKG sector as well with a B77W. The ADL flights have been operated by both B77W & A35K.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:51 am

Ellofiend wrote:
Does anyone recall the (I think, weekly?) SYD-ADL-HKG service? Is that purely cargo? I can't seem to find the flights on the website (just curious, not actually gonna book a ticket :) )


Not sure on the SYD-ADL-HKG but a regular cargo service operated by Cathay Pacific with the 747-8F is MEL-TWW-HKG
(TWW= Toowoomba West Wellcamp)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:58 am

grh wrote:
QQ E190.

Nothing been added to the Register as of last Friday.

Even the A321P2F hasn't been added as yet.

The above is a 3hr+ flight test conducted on the 30/08.

It (VH-ULD) should also be due for delivery.


Where do you find updated information on new aircraft that get registered to the Australian VH- rego? You said “even the A321P2F hasn’t been added as yet” where do you find that info? Thanks so much! Much appreciated.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:01 pm

Captainjc9 wrote:
Ellofiend wrote:
Does anyone recall the (I think, weekly?) SYD-ADL-HKG service? Is that purely cargo? I can't seem to find the flights on the website (just curious, not actually gonna book a ticket :) )


Not sure on the SYD-ADL-HKG but a regular cargo service operated by Cathay Pacific with the 747-8F is MEL-TWW-HKG
(TWW= Toowoomba West Wellcamp)


Hate to be pedantic, but Wellcamp is WTB.

Also unless they are running two weekly WTB-HKG (maybe they are?) the route is from Sydney, not Melbourne.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:28 pm

RyanairGuru wrote:
Captainjc9 wrote:
Ellofiend wrote:
Does anyone recall the (I think, weekly?) SYD-ADL-HKG service? Is that purely cargo? I can't seem to find the flights on the website (just curious, not actually gonna book a ticket :) )


Not sure on the SYD-ADL-HKG but a regular cargo service operated by Cathay Pacific with the 747-8F is MEL-TWW-HKG
(TWW= Toowoomba West Wellcamp)


Hate to be pedantic, but Wellcamp is WTB.

Also unless they are running two weekly WTB-HKG (maybe they are?) the route is from Sydney, not Melbourne.


The Cathay Pacific Boeing 747-8F route is operated once a week (Tuesdays). Here is the route:

Hong Kong – Sydney – Melbourne – Toowoomba West Wellcamp – Hong Kong

The aircraft comes from Melbourne before arriving in Toowoomba. As that is the departure route. Arrival route is HongKong to Sydney. Then the aircraft flies Sydney to Melbourne for the departure route off to Hongkong via Toowoomba. Yes, the route is from Melbourne.

Apologies of the mix up in airport code.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:32 pm

RyanairGuru wrote:
Captainjc9 wrote:
Ellofiend wrote:
Does anyone recall the (I think, weekly?) SYD-ADL-HKG service? Is that purely cargo? I can't seem to find the flights on the website (just curious, not actually gonna book a ticket :) )


Not sure on the SYD-ADL-HKG but a regular cargo service operated by Cathay Pacific with the 747-8F is MEL-TWW-HKG
(TWW= Toowoomba West Wellcamp)


Hate to be pedantic, but Wellcamp is WTB.

Also unless they are running two weekly WTB-HKG (maybe they are?) the route is from Sydney, not Melbourne.


It is twice a week at the moment - once is the 748F from MEL, another is a 77W pax aircraft from SYD with cargo only.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:36 pm

Qantas16 wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
Captainjc9 wrote:

Not sure on the SYD-ADL-HKG but a regular cargo service operated by Cathay Pacific with the 747-8F is MEL-TWW-HKG
(TWW= Toowoomba West Wellcamp)


Hate to be pedantic, but Wellcamp is WTB.

Also unless they are running two weekly WTB-HKG (maybe they are?) the route is from Sydney, not Melbourne.


It is twice a week at the moment - once is the 748F from MEL, another is a 77W pax aircraft from SYD with cargo only.


Oh wow! I didn't know that, thank you so much for your info :) :)

What airline is the 77W Pax aircraft from SYD operated by?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:13 pm

Captainjc9 wrote:
Qantas16 wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:

Hate to be pedantic, but Wellcamp is WTB.

Also unless they are running two weekly WTB-HKG (maybe they are?) the route is from Sydney, not Melbourne.


It is twice a week at the moment - once is the 748F from MEL, another is a 77W pax aircraft from SYD with cargo only.


Oh wow! I didn't know that, thank you so much for your info :) :)

What airline is the 77W Pax aircraft from SYD operated by?

Both the 747 and 77W are operated by CX. SQ also operate a cargo service using an A350 SIN-SYD-WTB-SIN.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:39 pm

Qantas16 wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
Captainjc9 wrote:

Not sure on the SYD-ADL-HKG but a regular cargo service operated by Cathay Pacific with the 747-8F is MEL-TWW-HKG
(TWW= Toowoomba West Wellcamp)


Hate to be pedantic, but Wellcamp is WTB.

Also unless they are running two weekly WTB-HKG (maybe they are?) the route is from Sydney, not Melbourne.


It is twice a week at the moment - once is the 748F from MEL, another is a 77W pax aircraft from SYD with cargo only.


Apologies, getting confused. The 777 SYD-WTB-HKG is what I had in mind.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:59 am

Thanks SCFlyer and moa999 for answering my question.

The dubious nature of the VAi traffic rights will continue by the looks of it!
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:41 am

Captainjc9 wrote:
grh wrote:
QQ E190.

Nothing been added to the Register as of last Friday.

Even the A321P2F hasn't been added as yet.

The above is a 3hr+ flight test conducted on the 30/08.

It (VH-ULD) should also be due for delivery.


Where do you find updated information on new aircraft that get registered to the Australian VH- rego? You said “even the A321P2F hasn’t been added as yet” where do you find that info? Thanks so much! Much appreciated.


CASA updates the online register over the weekend.

Each Monday (normally) you will find an updates register with individual updates for adds/deleted/changes etc.

https://www.casa.gov.au/aircraft/civil- ... t-register
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:36 am

The Vote is in and as expected Bain Capital are the new owners of Virgin Australia

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/busine ... tN5foIOM4Q
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:45 am

Looks like Virgin Australia lost its deposit on the Boeing 737 MAX order. Thanks JB. After paying twice as much to buy back 30% of Velocity as he sold it for, this would be, what, another hundred million down the toilet?

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... -max-order
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:59 am

Boof wrote:
Thanks SCFlyer and moa999 for answering my question.

The dubious nature of the VAi traffic rights will continue by the looks of it!


Depends on how International the new VA wants to go, they might be ok on operating the Tasman with the American owners using the SAM (and the US's Open Skies Agreement with New Zealand).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:10 am

Other than the 737s capable of NZ and Pacific routes they may not have any other aircraft

But smart to retain the optionality.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:32 am

CraigAnderson wrote:
Looks like Virgin Australia lost its deposit on the Boeing 737 MAX order. Thanks JB. After paying twice as much to buy back 30% of Velocity as he sold it for, this would be, what, another hundred million down the toilet?

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... -max-order


I think Deloitte and Bain will end up looking into the contract and deposit and see whether it can be held or even converted into a possible future 787 order.

Almost like the original TAA/Australian Airlines A320 order deposits that were used by Qantas later on for maintenance work on the A300s, if I remember correctly ....
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:50 am

787SIN wrote:
Chipmunk1973 wrote:
EK413 wrote:
Image

The 1st Qantas Freighter Airbus A321 P2F (converted from passenger variant into freighter)

Photo: Marteo Tan.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Nice to see an A321 in QF colours.

Just some questions about the conversion from passenger to freighter for anyone who knows about it?

1. What do they plug/fill in the existing windows with?
2. Does it still maintain some sort of similarity with the passenger version in keeping a main deck and cargo hold? Yes I can see the cargo doors in the pic, just not sure if it goes into a cargo hold or a big, open space.
3. Do they retain the existing passenger doors or replace those with something different to facilitate loading/unloading?

Thanks in advance.


Windows are usually plugged with blanks, similar to what is used behind lavs and galleys that are in front if window apertures. Normally they are metal. But perhaps to save weight composite ones could or have been developed.

For doors, there’s pictures of this A321 prior to painting in QF colours. These show quite clearly where the structural modifications have been made. But in summary a main deck entry door has been added on the left side forward of the wing. Lower deck cargo hold remains unchanged.

Believe this modification alters the forward door arrangement to allow installation of the required barrier between the crew area and main deck cargo bay. For the other doors they are mechanically deactivated/plugged. Again the same pictures onlinr prior to paint show the doors that have been altered and those which have not been.


Images at the bottom of this below link of the aircraft before painting.

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... efw/eypw2e

May answer some of the questions regarding mods.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:08 am

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CraigAnderson wrote:
Looks like Virgin Australia lost its deposit on the Boeing 737 MAX order. Thanks JB. After paying twice as much to buy back 30% of Velocity as he sold it for, this would be, what, another hundred million down the toilet?

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... -max-order


I think Deloitte and Bain will end up looking into the contract and deposit and see whether it can be held or even converted into a possible future 787 order.

Almost like the original TAA/Australian Airlines A320 order deposits that were used by Qantas later on for maintenance work on the A300s, if I remember correctly ....

Boeing has legal rights but so does VA. With the MAX program so disastrous, Boeing won't want another cancellation and are already partly on the hook to compensate VA for late delivery so there is probably a bit to play out here. My guess is the orders will remain on the books but be indefinitely deferred for the time being. Eventually VA could probably come to Boeing for a replacement of their NGs or for 787s and Boeing won't want to burn its bridges so VA could just as easily look at Airbus' products.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:16 am

aschachter wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
Looks like Virgin Australia lost its deposit on the Boeing 737 MAX order. Thanks JB. After paying twice as much to buy back 30% of Velocity as he sold it for, this would be, what, another hundred million down the toilet?

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... -max-order


I think Deloitte and Bain will end up looking into the contract and deposit and see whether it can be held or even converted into a possible future 787 order.


That's exactly what I expect as well, convert some if not all MAX orders to the 787-9 or even 787-10.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:11 am

tullamarine wrote:
aschachter wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
Looks like Virgin Australia lost its deposit on the Boeing 737 MAX order. Thanks JB. After paying twice as much to buy back 30% of Velocity as he sold it for, this would be, what, another hundred million down the toilet?

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... -max-order


I think Deloitte and Bain will end up looking into the contract and deposit and see whether it can be held or even converted into a possible future 787 order.

Almost like the original TAA/Australian Airlines A320 order deposits that were used by Qantas later on for maintenance work on the A300s, if I remember correctly ....

Boeing has legal rights but so does VA. With the MAX program so disastrous, Boeing won't want another cancellation and are already partly on the hook to compensate VA for late delivery so there is probably a bit to play out here. My guess is the orders will remain on the books but be indefinitely deferred for the time being. Eventually VA could probably come to Boeing for a replacement of their NGs or for 787s and Boeing won't want to burn its bridges so VA could just as easily look at Airbus' products.


I think that's most likely, the orders are deferred indefinitely until such a time as VA decide to take delivery of the Max for 737 replacement or convert them to 787s.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:03 am

Have read elsewhere that Bamboo Airways will make its debut to Australia with a B787-9 on the Hanoi to Melbourne sector tomorrow morning, operating in as QH9088. Presume it will be a cargo only flight given the current restrictions, nonetheless good news. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAV9088

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:31 am

VH-BZF wrote:
Have read elsewhere that Bamboo Airways will make its debut to Australia with a B787-9 on the Hanoi to Melbourne sector tomorrow morning, operating in as QH9088. Presume it will be a cargo only flight given the current restrictions, nonetheless good news. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAV9088

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Will be Cargo inbound. Most likely operate as a repatriation flight with passengers on the outbound. It is scheduled to depart at 1000 to Van Don.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2020

Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:57 pm

An interesting You Tube find, a Qantas pilot recruitment video from 1985.

From the looks of things, was probably sent to schools to be played in Careers classes as it explains the ways to get into QF as a second officer - only international flying at this stage.

The pay rates quoted (2nd officer $25K, & senior captain $100K) are $75K & $300K in 2020 dollars. The $100K salary would have been a fantastic income at the time, when that $100K would have purchased a nice home in MEL or SYD. That same home today would be worth around $1 million, but most consumer items are cheaper when compared with their 1985 equivalents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4eaDVjStH4
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