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Re: TATL A300s?

Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:10 am

I’ve seen Hapag Lloyd A300s in YQX on Tech Stops in the very early 80s. Not sure if they were pax or cargo versions, or routings but they were definitely A300s as the A310s were not flying yet.
 
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Re: TATL A300s?

Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:48 am

TriStar500 wrote:
LH operated the A306 on DUS-EWR-DUS for a while in the late 1990‘s and/ of early 2000‘s.


Definitely not. That was the A310-300 they used on that route. I worked at DUS at the time. And the flight went to JFK for quite a while, not EWR. Remember, this was before United acquired CO, so there was no Star Alliance hub to feed into at EWR.



oxonrow wrote:
CO flew the 757 across the pond too.


They also flew the 767-200 and 767-400 across the pond.
 
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Re: TATL A300s?

Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:13 am

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Dominion301 wrote:
CrewBunk wrote:
No. Never.
I’m guessing you are thinking of the A310-300.

Ward’s A300s were A300B4-203s. With full fuel, there was about 6:30 flying time. The longest route flown by the A300 at WD was YYZ-BGI.


Really? I coulda sworn they were used on the likes of YHZ-LGW? But the few WD AB3 pics in the database are all in North America.


Wardair did very little business in the east of Canada. Other than tech stops in the 727 days, there were few transatlantic flights from anywhere east of YUL/YMX. I did hear talk of flights out of YQB to CDG during the A310 days but I’m not sure if any flew.

At 450 miles further than YYZ-BGI, I am pretty sure the A300B4-203 couldn’t fly YHZ-LGW. I flew many YYZ-BGI-YYZ flights and if weather was bad in YYZ requiring a far alternate, BGI-YYZ was pretty tight. Cabin configuration was a pretty light 30J/220Y.

I flew the A300 at WD from its introduction, doing my initial course in JNB and ferrying one to Canada, right till the lease ended and ferried one to TLS. It was a fine aircraft, advanced for its day ... but the leap to the -600/600R was huge. With a two man glass cockpit and -80 engines, the -600 was more suited to longer flying.

Btw, I say A300B, but one of Ward’s A300s was an A300C4-203. Other than a slightly higher OEW, performance was identical to the A300B4-203.


Thanks for all the great info. Did you ever fly with airliners.net poster longhauler?
 
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Re: TATL A300s?

Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:56 am

marcogr12 wrote:
OA operated the A300-600R out of ATH to JNB for some time before substituting it with the A340-300


If I remember I believe that was with a stop in NBO as well?
 
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Re: TATL A300s?

Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:09 am

DUSdude wrote:
TriStar500 wrote:
LH operated the A306 on DUS-EWR-DUS for a while in the late 1990‘s and/ of early 2000‘s.


Definitely not. That was the A310-300 they used on that route. I worked at DUS at the time. And the flight went to JFK for quite a while, not EWR. Remember, this was before United acquired CO, so there was no Star Alliance hub to feed into at EWR.




Thats true, at least a mid 90s schedule I have available says JFK. But LH served Newark from Hamburg in the early 90s, with A310s as well -- also without any Continental Airlines partnership so no commections from there.
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Re: TATL A300s?

Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:25 am

Not TATL but similar in duration, I flew for countless years on EK and QR AB6's from Dubai and Doha to London. Northbound, the flights always seemed to be full in all three classes (some configs were two class only with more seats). Never heard of a payload issue on those routes. Doha to Madrid was probably the longest outing, touching almost 8 hours on occasion.
 
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Re: TATL A300s?

Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:07 am

YALAS wrote:
marcogr12 wrote:
OA operated the A300-600R out of ATH to JNB for some time before substituting it with the A340-300


If I remember I believe that was with a stop in NBO as well?


Indeed. That's correct.
They started the route with the -B4, and then proceeded to acquire the much improved -600.

On a side note AZ flew the -B4s on long-ish routes, but again given the true mid-haul nature of the bird, these constantly required intermediate stops. I flew to NBO via Jeddah in the summer of '93 on 'Pinturicchio', a 1980-vintage B4.

I believe at some time AZ ventured all the way to India (or Pakistan?) on the A300 via intermediate stops. They also certainly flew them to Kano, Lagos, Accra and Abidjan, which was certainly on the outer edge of mid-haul for a B4 variant.
 
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Re: TATL A300s?

Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:25 pm

JamesWorldWings wrote:
Not TATL but similar in duration, I flew for countless years on EK and QR AB6's from Dubai and Doha to London. Northbound, the flights always seemed to be full in all three classes (some configs were two class only with more seats). Never heard of a payload issue on those routes. Doha to Madrid was probably the longest outing, touching almost 8 hours on occasion.


Not all A300-600R customers had the trim tank and hence had less fuel, and a tat higher fuel burn, all or QRs where young enough to have them.

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Re: TATL A300s?

Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:51 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
JamesWorldWings wrote:
Not TATL but similar in duration, I flew for countless years on EK and QR AB6's from Dubai and Doha to London. Northbound, the flights always seemed to be full in all three classes (some configs were two class only with more seats). Never heard of a payload issue on those routes. Doha to Madrid was probably the longest outing, touching almost 8 hours on occasion.


Not all A300-600R customers had the trim tank and hence had less fuel, and a tat higher fuel burn, all or QRs where young enough to have them.

best regards
Thomas

All A300-600R customers had the trim tank...that’s why they are A300-600Rs ;) The updated A300s without the trim tanks were just standard A300-600s. I think everything from the late 80s on were -600Rs.
 
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Re: TATL A300s?

Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:16 pm

marcogr12 wrote:
OA operated the A300-600R out of ATH to JNB for some time before substituting it with the A340-300



with a stop at Nairobi
 
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Re: TATL A300s?

Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:22 pm

Polot wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
JamesWorldWings wrote:
Not TATL but similar in duration, I flew for countless years on EK and QR AB6's from Dubai and Doha to London. Northbound, the flights always seemed to be full in all three classes (some configs were two class only with more seats). Never heard of a payload issue on those routes. Doha to Madrid was probably the longest outing, touching almost 8 hours on occasion.


Not all A300-600R customers had the trim tank and hence had less fuel, and a tat higher fuel burn, all or QRs where young enough to have them.

best regards
Thomas

All A300-600R customers had the trim tank...that’s why they are A300-600Rs ;) The updated A300s without the trim tanks were just standard A300-600s. I think everything from the late 80s on were -600Rs.


600R is trim tank and MTOW increase. You could still order without an activated trim tank to safe on maintenance cost.

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Re: TATL A300s?

Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:57 pm

debonair wrote:
BlueberryWheats wrote:
... certainly need a holiday after enduring that! Two hours LGW to PMI was painful enough on a Monarch A300.


Better non-stop in best case to the states, than flying to Goa with tech stop... :bigthumbsup:
The European B737-800 operators like Smartwings and Dutch Corendon flying still today to Mexico and Brasil are not better either... :rotfl:


They also operated their A300 to Mombasa

MAN-LGW-CAI-MBA-CAI-LGW-MAN
I think they also went via Luxor instead of Cairo at one point too.

12 hours in 3-3-3 painful...........
 
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Re: TATL A300s?

Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:01 pm

In the early 90's American reallocated A300's from the Caribbean to missions to Europe after American reallocated 767's from the Atlantic to fill-in capacity needed in their newly purchased South American routes from Eastern.
 
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Re: TATL A300s?

Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:08 pm

TYWoolman wrote:
In the early 90's American reallocated A300's from the Caribbean to missions to Europe after American reallocated 767's from the Atlantic to fill-in capacity needed in their newly purchased South American routes from Eastern.



Nope... too early... AA’s A300’s never crossed the pond until late 90’s... 97-02 IIRC.
 
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Re: TATL A300s?

Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:28 pm

A320GOUZO wrote:
12 hours in 3-3-3 painful...........


Have you heard of the 787 Crampliner?
 
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Re: TATL A300s?

Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:52 pm

ojjunior wrote:
A320GOUZO wrote:
12 hours in 3-3-3 painful...........


Have you heard of the 787 Crampliner?


Crampliner :lol:
Then imagine 9 inches less of cabin width and 28-29 inch seat pitch on their A300 :crowded:
 
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Re: TATL A300s?

Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:56 pm

TUGMASTER wrote:
TYWoolman wrote:
In the early 90's American reallocated A300's from the Caribbean to missions to Europe after American reallocated 767's from the Atlantic to fill-in capacity needed in their newly purchased South American routes from Eastern.



Nope... too early... AA’s A300’s never crossed the pond until late 90’s... 97-02 IIRC.


Interesting. Off-topic: I wonder what backfilled the 767s over the Atlantic that were reallocated to the South American purchase in the early 90's since American did not get any Eastern aircraft (?). Perhaps it was an Atlantic pull-back?
 
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Re: TATL A300s?

Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:56 am

TYWoolman wrote:
In the early 90's American reallocated A300's from the Caribbean to missions to Europe after American reallocated 767's from the Atlantic to fill-in capacity needed in their newly purchased South American routes from Eastern.


Not in the early 1990s, no. AA started TATL ops from JFK and BOS to LHR and ORY using A300-600s in 1997 and ended by 2002. The reason was, as you said, a shortage of wide bodies. The 777s were ordered in 1996 and began arriving in 1999. There were not enough 767s to fulfill all the routes AA needed them for at the time.
 
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Re: TATL A300s?

Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:00 am

TYWoolman wrote:
TUGMASTER wrote:
TYWoolman wrote:
In the early 90's American reallocated A300's from the Caribbean to missions to Europe after American reallocated 767's from the Atlantic to fill-in capacity needed in their newly purchased South American routes from Eastern.



Nope... too early... AA’s A300’s never crossed the pond until late 90’s... 97-02 IIRC.


Interesting. Off-topic: I wonder what backfilled the 767s over the Atlantic that were reallocated to the South American purchase in the early 90's since American did not get any Eastern aircraft (?). Perhaps it was an Atlantic pull-back?


American has a long history of starting and stopping TATL services. At JFK, they started and dropped FRA, LYS, BRU, DUB, MAN, BHX. They announced AMS from JFK and never started it. MIA-FRA, DFW-ZRH, SJC-CDG, BOS-ORY, BOS-LHR, to name a few....Aside from that, there was the issue of the MD11. American did not like the plane and got rid of it quickly. It did not meet range requirements and a decision was made in 1995 to sell them all to FedEx. They were gone before the 777s began to arrive in critical mass.
 
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Re: TATL A300s?

Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:13 am

Wingtips56 wrote:
Back on subject: as I recall, 10 of the A300s were reconfigured in the 3-classes for the long hauls. I can't remember if they were reconfigured back to F/Y when withdrawn from the European routes, or if they were returned as-is. They were a white-tail lease at the outset (to persuade AA into ordering Airbus), so they had easy return status.


What was the layout in 3 class config? How many seats in F/J/Y in international and domestic config?

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I believe at some time AZ ventured all the way to India (or Pakistan?) on the A300 via intermediate stops. They also certainly flew them to Kano, Lagos, Accra and Abidjan, which was certainly on the outer edge of mid-haul for a B4 variant.


I dont think AZ operated the A300 to India. I am pretty sure I saw AZ 767's multiple times in BOM and atleast on one occasion a 747. In the 70's/80's, AZ was an option from India to Australia through their FCO-BOM-DWN-SYD flight. I think that was operated with 707 (some 4 engine jet)
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Re: TATL A300s?

Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:00 am

TYWoolman wrote:
TUGMASTER wrote:
TYWoolman wrote:
In the early 90's American reallocated A300's from the Caribbean to missions to Europe after American reallocated 767's from the Atlantic to fill-in capacity needed in their newly purchased South American routes from Eastern.



Nope... too early... AA’s A300’s never crossed the pond until late 90’s... 97-02 IIRC.


Interesting. Off-topic: I wonder what backfilled the 767s over the Atlantic that were reallocated to the South American purchase in the early 90's since American did not get any Eastern aircraft (?). Perhaps it was an Atlantic pull-back?

I don’t think anything really backfilled them per se, just new deliveries. AA was getting a lot of 767s and MD-11s in the early 90s, along with the last of their A300s (which were not being used TATL at the time). Many of those A300s were being used for Caribbean/Latin America.
 
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Re: TATL A300s?

Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:02 am

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I believe at some time AZ ventured all the way to India (or Pakistan?) on the A300 via intermediate stops. They also certainly flew them to Kano, Lagos, Accra and Abidjan, which was certainly on the outer edge of mid-haul for a B4 variant.


I dont think AZ operated the A300 to India. I am pretty sure I saw AZ 767's multiple times in BOM and atleast on one occasion a 747. In the 70's/80's, AZ was an option from India to Australia through their FCO-BOM-DWN-SYD flight. I think that was operated with 707 (some 4 engine jet)[/quote]

767s were operated much later, even though for a brief period they might have overlapped with the A300 in the fleet...but not sure..
They certainly did operate 747s, but also MD-11s, and previous to that the DC-10.
The multi-stop long-hauls you mention were operated by DC-8s, starting with DC-8/40s with RR Conway engines, followed by the 62s.
 
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Re: TATL A300s?

Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:13 pm

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767s were operated much later, even though for a brief period they might have overlapped with the A300 in the fleet...but not sure..
They certainly did operate 747s, but also MD-11s, and previous to that the DC-10.



From memory, the international airlines that operated pax A300's to India: PIA, Iran Air, Monarch(charters-GOI), Ariana Afghan (ex AI birds), Kuwaiti Airways, Qatar, SIA & Thai.

DC-10's - Biman, KLM, Northwest.
MD-11 (pax) - SwissAir

I dont think AZ ever operated the short legged A300 to India. Their original FCO-BOM-SYD was flown with DC8's which was later replaced with a BOM terminator. Going by their ads in the Readers Digest magazine from the era, the BOM terminators were flown by 747 starting 1980 or so and after 1994 was almost certainly 767 equipment.
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Re: TATL A300s?

Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:48 pm

BawliBooch wrote:
Wingtips56 wrote:
Back on subject: as I recall, 10 of the A300s were reconfigured in the 3-classes for the long hauls. I can't remember if they were reconfigured back to F/Y when withdrawn from the European routes, or if they were returned as-is. They were a white-tail lease at the outset (to persuade AA into ordering Airbus), so they had easy return status.


What was the layout in 3 class config? How many seats in F/J/Y in international and domestic config?



Yep, 3 class configuration - 10F/34J/148Y if my math is correct:
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Re: TATL A300s?

Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:14 pm

Man..beautiful memories of aircraft like the 727,A300,F100..thanx for that seat-map
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Re: TATL A300s?

Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:53 pm

travelsonic wrote:
BawliBooch wrote:
Wingtips56 wrote:
Back on subject: as I recall, 10 of the A300s were reconfigured in the 3-classes for the long hauls. I can't remember if they were reconfigured back to F/Y when withdrawn from the European routes, or if they were returned as-is. They were a white-tail lease at the outset (to persuade AA into ordering Airbus), so they had easy return status.


What was the layout in 3 class config? How many seats in F/J/Y in international and domestic config?



Yep, 3 class configuration - 10F/34J/148Y if my math is correct:
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Re: TATL A300s?

Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:32 pm

Just to confirm American did convert 8 A300s to 3 class trans-atlantic ops, these all flew into Heathrow in 1997, I believe the intention was to start operations in 1996 but this was delayed until January 1997

N14065
N8067A
N14068
N33069
N25071
N70072
N70073
N70074

A further 2 aircraft appeared in 1999 making 10 in total

N18066
N90070

In summer 1999 American had at least 6 A300 flights into Heathrow each day AA92 from EWR, AA106, 116, 132 from JFK and AA108, 156 from BOS

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Re: TATL A300s?

Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:00 pm

marcogr12 wrote:
OA operated the A300-600R out of ATH to JNB for some time before substituting it with the A340-300


And it was also planned to fly ATH-MAN-BOS too.
 
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Re: TATL A300s?

Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:28 pm

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Man..beautiful memories of aircraft like the 727,A300,F100..thanx for that seat-map

True! The B737 and B757 were "video display" equipped according to the seat map, but what about the International A300? No entertainment at all?

Off-topic, what's the difference between the B737-800 and B737-823, other than the number of rows?
 
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Re: TATL A300s?

Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:59 pm

Very interesting to read all the stories on the A300 flying TALT. It's more than I thaught. Nice stories :)

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Re: TATL A300s?

Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:10 pm

The A300-605R - and the memories of my time at AA trying to make those aircraft work. It was not the right aircraft for TATL operations for several reasons:
1. Range limited, causing significant westbound problems in the winter or if there was bad weather forecast in BOS and/or JFK in the summer months
2. Very slow climber, often resulting in being assigned to lower flight levels over the pond (exacerbating #1 above)
3. Little cargo capability after accommodating passengers - in cargo heavy markets
4. A maintenance pig. Required to be in either JFK or MIA every 3rd night to provide sufficient access to address numerous issues

However - it was all that was economically available during a period of significant growth/opportunity at AA.

It was on par with the leased Scanair DC-10s that were supplied by Douglas to cover for MD-11 delays. But that is another topic.


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Re: TATL A300s?

Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:18 pm

debonair wrote:
marcogr12 wrote:
Man..beautiful memories of aircraft like the 727,A300,F100..thanx for that seat-map

True! The B737 and B757 were "video display" equipped according to the seat map, but what about the International A300? No entertainment at all?

Off-topic, what's the difference between the B737-800 and B737-823, other than the number of rows?

The AA international A300s had PTVs (including in Y) that were sadly ripped out when they were converted back to 2 class planes. Essentially it was the product the 767 would have got if 9/11 never happened.

At the time the international A300s along with the brand new 777s had the best on board product at AA.
 
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Re: TATL A300s?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:27 am

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The A300-605R - and the memories of my time at AA trying to make those aircraft work. It was not the right aircraft for TATL operations for several reasons:
1. Range limited, causing significant westbound problems in the winter or if there was bad weather forecast in BOS and/or JFK in the summer months
2. Very slow climber, often resulting in being assigned to lower flight levels over the pond (exacerbating #1 above)
3. Little cargo capability after accommodating passengers - in cargo heavy markets
4. A maintenance pig. Required to be in either JFK or MIA every 3rd night to provide sufficient access to address numerous issues

However - it was all that was economically available during a period of significant growth/opportunity at AA.

It was on par with the leased Scanair DC-10s that were supplied by Douglas to cover for MD-11 delays. But that is another topic.


- DBC

As an OEM rep, I worked with AA on their A300 Maintenance Issues; and most were due to AA Standard Practices and not the aircraft itself, as we never saw those problems on 5X A300s or FX A310s/A310s. And those problems had nothing to do with age, rather with stubbornness of the AA Maintenance techs and standards.
 
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Re: TATL A300s?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:47 am

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oldannyboy wrote:
767s were operated much later, even though for a brief period they might have overlapped with the A300 in the fleet...but not sure..
They certainly did operate 747s, but also MD-11s, and previous to that the DC-10.


AZ most certainly did operate the MD-11 to India for several years, actually far longer than the 767, which was always intended as a stop-gap aircraft and never shown much love by the airline, and also flown initially by Ansett crews on a special contract in full AZ colours, and later by their junior, in-house lower-cost arm, Alitalia Team.
AZ also operated the MD-11 combi to India.
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Re: TATL A300s?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:32 am

WayexTDI wrote:
DBCooper wrote:
The A300-605R - and the memories of my time at AA trying to make those aircraft work. It was not the right aircraft for TATL operations for several reasons:
1. Range limited, causing significant westbound problems in the winter or if there was bad weather forecast in BOS and/or JFK in the summer months
2. Very slow climber, often resulting in being assigned to lower flight levels over the pond (exacerbating #1 above)
3. Little cargo capability after accommodating passengers - in cargo heavy markets
4. A maintenance pig. Required to be in either JFK or MIA every 3rd night to provide sufficient access to address numerous issues

However - it was all that was economically available during a period of significant growth/opportunity at AA.

It was on par with the leased Scanair DC-10s that were supplied by Douglas to cover for MD-11 delays. But that is another topic.


- DBC

As an OEM rep, I worked with AA on their A300 Maintenance Issues; and most were due to AA Standard Practices and not the aircraft itself, as we never saw those problems on 5X A300s or FX A310s/A310s. And those problems had nothing to do with age, rather with stubbornness of the AA Maintenance techs and standards.



Sounds a lot like Continental’s self induced A300 maintenance issues
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Re: TATL A300s?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:26 pm

Max Q wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
DBCooper wrote:
The A300-605R - and the memories of my time at AA trying to make those aircraft work. It was not the right aircraft for TATL operations for several reasons:
1. Range limited, causing significant westbound problems in the winter or if there was bad weather forecast in BOS and/or JFK in the summer months
2. Very slow climber, often resulting in being assigned to lower flight levels over the pond (exacerbating #1 above)
3. Little cargo capability after accommodating passengers - in cargo heavy markets
4. A maintenance pig. Required to be in either JFK or MIA every 3rd night to provide sufficient access to address numerous issues

However - it was all that was economically available during a period of significant growth/opportunity at AA.

It was on par with the leased Scanair DC-10s that were supplied by Douglas to cover for MD-11 delays. But that is another topic.


- DBC

As an OEM rep, I worked with AA on their A300 Maintenance Issues; and most were due to AA Standard Practices and not the aircraft itself, as we never saw those problems on 5X A300s or FX A310s/A310s. And those problems had nothing to do with age, rather with stubbornness of the AA Maintenance techs and standards.



Sounds a lot like Continental’s self induced A300 maintenance issues

CO A300s were before my time, so I don't know about their practice.
Keep in mind to that, while CO A300s were B2/B4 variants, AA, 5X & FX A300s are the -600s (and FX A310s are basically the same as the A300-600, system-wise of course); there was enough difference in the systems I was working on to make the A300B2/B4 and A300-600/A310 very different when it came to training.
 
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Re: TATL A300s?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:43 pm

BawliBooch wrote:
oldannyboy wrote:
767s were operated much later, even though for a brief period they might have overlapped with the A300 in the fleet...but not sure..
They certainly did operate 747s, but also MD-11s, and previous to that the DC-10.



From memory, the international airlines that operated pax A300's to India: PIA, Iran Air, Monarch(charters-GOI), Ariana Afghan (ex AI birds), Kuwaiti Airways, Qatar, SIA & Thai.

DC-10's - Biman, KLM, Northwest.
MD-11 (pax) - SwissAir

I dont think AZ ever operated the short legged A300 to India. Their original FCO-BOM-SYD was flown with DC8's which was later replaced with a BOM terminator. Going by their ads in the Readers Digest magazine from the era, the BOM terminators were flown by 747 starting 1980 or so and after 1994 was almost certainly 767 equipment.


Not forgetting EK and SV who also operated the A300 pax version to India. (The latter used wet and damp leased aircraft from Onur on occasion).

Back onto the topic of AA A300's, does anyone have photographs of the cabin? I've searched high and low to no avail. Based on the seatmaps posted above, the TATL F cabin looks very spacious, only 5-abreast.

In terms of pitch, the QR machines had excellent floorspace but were 6 across.
 
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Re: TATL A300s?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:18 pm

Looks like RG A300s were regulars to MIA back in the 80's as well...

 
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Re: TATL A300s?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:07 pm

marcogr12 wrote:
Man..beautiful memories of aircraft like the 727,A300,F100..thanx for that seat-map



Agree. I remember when American purchased the A300 and F100 and thinking how shrewd it was to purchase such aircraft. Gave the portrayal American was at the top of their game at the time (in retrospect, perhaps they were).

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