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Question about whether Sands 747SP was damaged at Lake Charles

Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:35 am

Recently, I saw one of the Sands 747SPs on FR24 flew to Lake Charles for maintenance a few weeks ago and I don't think it ever left. If you are paying attention to the news, a horrible hurricane ripped through Lake Charles earlier in the week. It appears that both airports took direct hits from this storm and aircraft and hangars have been destroyed. There was a quick glimpse of some of these hangars on a local news station and it does not look good. It is almost safe to say, that any aircraft parked at either of these airports, is either destroyed or damaged. At the regional airport, there were videos of an entire fleet of vintage smaller aircraft that appeared completely wrecked.

Has anyone heard anything? Did the 747SP get out? It is not parked at LAS and I don't know which SP actually flew there for the maintenance. The fact that it is not at LAS (where it normally is) , could mean bad news.
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Re: Possible Horrible News for 747SP Fans

Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:50 am

Huh, didn't Sands write off their TriStar when the airport it was parked at flooded?
 
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Re: Possible Horrible News for 747SP Fans

Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:06 am

They did, but I would think that is solely a coincidence. The owner really loves his 747SPs and I doubt it was anything intentional. An aircraft that is going in for maintenance possibly could not be made airworthy in time to get the plane out. The storm in Louisiana moved in rather quick..
 
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Re: Possible Horrible News for 747SP Fans

Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:15 am

This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
 
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Re: Possible Horrible News for 747SP Fans

Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:32 pm

DL_Mech wrote:


That would be correct, let me reach out to a contact at Sands and see if they can pass along any info.
 
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Re: Possible Horrible News for 747SP Fans

Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:19 pm

Video of the Lake Charles regional airport, destroyed/damaged planes, hangar buildings and the destroyed radar. But these are only destroyed and damaged small, most historic planes, nothing big, no B747.
I would expect, a destroyed or damaged B747...We would already have seem some photos or a video of it. This will be a "highlight".
https://www.accuweather.com/en/videos/laura-destroys-airport-and-weather-service-office/8p010ewQ?utm_campaign=accuweather&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
But there is minimum one business jet there, it is still parked next to the runway (not seem in a video)

Another video:
https://twitter.com/WeatherNation/status/1299059104086814720
Seems, it has destroyed "only" some small perked historic planes. There is no bigger jet, or if, then not on the Lake Charles regional Airport.

EDIT: next airport: Southland Field. Also only some destroyed small planes, nothing big.
https://www.planeandpilotmag.com/news/the-latest/2020/08/31/southland-field-devastating-photos-of-damage-from-hurricane-laura/nggallery/image/southland-field-hurricane-laura-7/#view
and here
https://twitter.com/thandojo/status/1300059061925208064
 
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Re: Possible Horrible News for 747SP Fans

Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:58 pm

It is at CWF, Chennault. CWF faired out much better than LCH. LCH still has no functioning ATCT and the Houston ARTCC assumed TRACON airspace(as well as LFT and BTR). CWF contract tower is operating.
 
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Re: Question about whether Sands 747SD was damaged at Lake Charles

Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:50 am

Moderators, if you are going to re-title the thread, please identify the aircraft correctly!
 
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Re: Question about whether Sands 747SD was damaged at Lake Charles

Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:43 am

crownvic wrote:
Moderators, if you are going to re-title the thread, please identify the aircraft correctly!



Shocking.....
Makes you wonder who does this
 
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Re: Question about whether Sands 747SD was damaged at Lake Charles

Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:29 pm

crownvic wrote:
Moderators, if you are going to re-title the thread, please identify the aircraft correctly!



That’s weird...first why would they want to re-title the thread and why would they make such an error.... the “D” and “P” key are not close together.

FYI, I saw the SP at LAS after the storm. I thought they just had 1. I have never seen more than 1 SP but that doesn’t mean they don’t have more.

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Re: Question about whether Sands 747SD was damaged at Lake Charles

Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:05 pm

TUGMASTER wrote:
crownvic wrote:
Moderators, if you are going to re-title the thread, please identify the aircraft correctly!


Shocking.....
Makes you wonder who does this

The answer is... unpaid volunteers!!!

So, to be helpful, just click on the triangle at the top of every post and inform them of the issue.

Complaining in the open forum isn't very helpful.
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Re: Question about whether Sands 747SD was damaged at Lake Charles

Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:10 pm

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So, to be helpful, just click on the triangle at the top of every post and inform them of the issue.

Complaining in the open forum isn't very helpful.


Thanks for pointing this out. Typo has been fixed.
 
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Re: Question about whether Sands 747SP was damaged at Lake Charles

Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:39 pm

IIRC, the seating capacity of the Sands 747SP is... 58. :)
 
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Re: Question about whether Sands 747SD was damaged at Lake Charles

Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:09 pm

reltney wrote:
crownvic wrote:
Moderators, if you are going to re-title the thread, please identify the aircraft correctly!



That’s weird...first why would they want to re-title the thread and why would they make such an error.... the “D” and “P” key are not close together.

FYI, I saw the SP at LAS after the storm. I thought they just had 1. I have never seen more than 1 SP but that doesn’t mean they don’t have more.

Cheers



They have 2, VP-BLK, VQ-BMS

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Re: Question about whether Sands 747SD was damaged at Lake Charles

Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:00 pm

Viper911 wrote:
reltney wrote:
crownvic wrote:
Moderators, if you are going to re-title the thread, please identify the aircraft correctly!



That’s weird...first why would they want to re-title the thread and why would they make such an error.... the “D” and “P” key are not close together.

FYI, I saw the SP at LAS after the storm. I thought they just had 1. I have never seen more than 1 SP but that doesn’t mean they don’t have more.

Cheers


They have 2, VP-BLK, VQ-BMS

Viper911


Why aren’t they November registered?
 
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Re: Question about whether Sands 747SD was damaged at Lake Charles

Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:31 pm

32andBelow wrote:
Viper911 wrote:
reltney wrote:


That’s weird...first why would they want to re-title the thread and why would they make such an error.... the “D” and “P” key are not close together.

FYI, I saw the SP at LAS after the storm. I thought they just had 1. I have never seen more than 1 SP but that doesn’t mean they don’t have more.

Cheers


They have 2, VP-BLK, VQ-BMS

Viper911


Why aren’t they November registered?


VP-B and VQ-B are Bermuda registrations. Flag of convenience.
 
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Re: Question about whether Sands 747SP was damaged at Lake Charles

Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:02 pm

DenverBrian wrote:
IIRC, the seating capacity of the Sands 747SP is... 58. :)

Is that a First Class, Business Class or mixed configuration?
 
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Re: Question about whether Sands 747SP was damaged at Lake Charles

Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:23 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
DenverBrian wrote:
IIRC, the seating capacity of the Sands 747SP is... 58. :)

Is that a First Class, Business Class or mixed configuration?


None of the above, they are set up as private aircraft, not passenger, bedrooms, lounges, dining areas.

Here are some pictures, sorry for the source lol

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/a ... -beds.html


The reply I got this morning was "they are fine" which is 3 words more than I normally get when I ask about them.
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Re: Question about whether Sands 747SD was damaged at Lake Charles

Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:25 pm

reltney wrote:
FYI, I saw the SP at LAS after the storm. I thought they just had 1. I have never seen more than 1 SP but that doesn’t mean they don’t have more.


From a few years ago when I was in LAS for a conference:

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Re: Question about whether Sands 747SP was damaged at Lake Charles

Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:27 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
Is that a First Class, Business Class or mixed configuration?


It's "Opulent" Class...
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Re: Question about whether Sands 747SD was damaged at Lake Charles

Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:29 pm

bcbhokie wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Viper911 wrote:

They have 2, VP-BLK, VQ-BMS

Viper911


Why aren’t they November registered?


VP-B and VQ-B are Bermuda registrations. Flag of convenience.


Sorry for the multiple replies, I'm on my phone so it's easier this way.

Care to explain the "Flag of convenience" in this context ?
 
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Re: Question about whether Sands 747SD was damaged at Lake Charles

Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:00 pm

jetwet1 wrote:
bcbhokie wrote:
32andBelow wrote:

Why aren’t they November registered?


VP-B and VQ-B are Bermuda registrations. Flag of convenience.


Sorry for the multiple replies, I'm on my phone so it's easier this way.

Care to explain the "Flag of convenience" in this context ?


Both Sand's 747 SPs and the A345 are registered in Bermuda. The rest of the fleet is N registered.

Bermuda is a tax haven, and the reason many operators opt to register in such countries is for reduced taxation.

Further info on BCAA website: https://www.bcaa.bm/bermuda-aircraft-registry

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Re: Question about whether Sands 747SP was damaged at Lake Charles

Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:44 pm

Okay, agreed, it's tax reasons, some people use the term "flag of convenience" to mean using lower paid non union crews, which Sands does not, well at least the lower paid part, thanks for clarifying.
 
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Re: Question about whether Sands 747SP was damaged at Lake Charles

Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:13 am

jetwet1 wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
DenverBrian wrote:
IIRC, the seating capacity of the Sands 747SP is... 58. :)

Is that a First Class, Business Class or mixed configuration?


None of the above, they are set up as private aircraft, not passenger, bedrooms, lounges, dining areas.

Here are some pictures, sorry for the source lol

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/a ... -beds.html


The reply I got this morning was "they are fine" which is 3 words more than I normally get when I ask about them.


Unless you are involved in their operation, I doubt they are going to tell you anything. There was a BBJ which I think was N836BA that belongs to Boeing that was last seen there. Nobody has seen it since the storm. Could Chennault be the new Bermuda Triangle? :)
 
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Re: Question about whether Sands 747SD was damaged at Lake Charles

Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:31 am

Moose135 wrote:
reltney wrote:
FYI, I saw the SP at LAS after the storm. I thought they just had 1. I have never seen more than 1 SP but that doesn’t mean they don’t have more.


From a few years ago when I was in LAS for a conference:

Image


Stunning photo! Now that's an aviation lover, owning twin 747SP's.
 
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Re: Question about whether Sands 747SP was damaged at Lake Charles

Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:27 am

Here’s your answer: https://www.kplctv.com/2020/09/02/hurri ... utType=amp

At the end of this video and in the photo, you can clearly see the Sands SP along with an unknown 737 in front of the SP. The 747 is sitting sideways and the vertical stabilizer and right wing appear to be very close to the hangar ceiling/wall. Given the damage to the hangar it would be surprising if these planes avoided some type of damage.
 
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Re: Question about whether Sands 747SP was damaged at Lake Charles

Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:16 pm

This SANDS -SP has a quite varied service history.....



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Re: Question about whether Sands 747SP was damaged at Lake Charles

Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:21 pm

Ouch. It was there, then.
 
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Re: Possible Horrible News for 747SP Fans

Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:43 am

rampbossmdt wrote:
It is at CWF, Chennault. CWF faired out much better than LCH. LCH still has no functioning ATCT and the Houston ARTCC assumed TRACON airspace(as well as LFT and BTR). CWF contract tower is operating.


Seems to me after watching that video, that is not the case. I think they were equally battered. Private source I have at Boeing, has just advised me that BBJ N836BA is a probable write off. I still cannot get any information on the SP aside from the fact we now know, that it was in hangar, thanks to the video. There is debris laying on top of the wings, so hopefully it is just superficial damage.
 
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Re: Question about whether Sands 747SP was damaged at Lake Charles

Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:26 pm

Just saw this today. Unfortunately, its nose and wing were heavily damaged inside the hangar when another aircraft collided with it during the hurricane. Pictures here: https://www.instagram.com/p/CG4tWRBhZb2 ... _copy_link
 
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Re: Question about whether Sands 747SP was damaged at Lake Charles

Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:54 pm

Pics at https://twitter.com/JacdecNew/status/13 ... 8636594181 ...

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Re: Question about whether Sands 747SP was damaged at Lake Charles

Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:09 pm

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... ing/ep0zk3

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... ion/rzk09r

Apparently VQ-BMS was hit by the wing of N836BA.

According to planespotters, VQ-BMS is a WO.

According to the Wikibase in http://www.aviation-safety.net the following were also damaged on 27/08/2020;

Chipmunk N915WP substancial (Canx 16/03/2019 on FAA)
Tiger Moth N113DH substancial (Canx 08/01/2019 on FAA)
LC41 N1003X damage unknown
PC12 N15NE substancial.

No indication that N836BA cancelled on FAA.
 
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Re: Question about whether Sands 747SP was damaged at Lake Charles

Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:50 pm

Saw one at LAS a few weeks ago and looked fine. Sorry didn't catch the tail. Personally I like the A340 better.
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Re: Question about whether Sands 747SP was damaged at Lake Charles

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:59 pm

NYPECO wrote:
Just saw this today. Unfortunately, its nose and wing were heavily damaged inside the hangar when another aircraft collided with it during the hurricane. Pictures here: https://www.instagram.com/p/CG4tWRBhZb2 ... _copy_link


Man, that sucks. Why couldn't it have been a bland 777 or 787 BBJ?

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Re: Question about whether Sands 747SP was damaged at Lake Charles

Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:41 am

Which insurance company covers this? The thing be for the plane or the one for the repair shop?
 
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Re: Question about whether Sands 747SP was damaged at Lake Charles

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