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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:37 am

Well while they discuss the rest of the fleet, first rebranded Silk Air 737NG is out of the paint shop.

SQ is back in the narrowbody game.

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https://twitter.com/indoflyer/status/13 ... 40773?s=20
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:09 am

LAXintl wrote:
Well while they discuss the rest of the fleet, first rebranded Silk Air 737NG is out of the paint shop.

SQ is back in the narrowbody game.

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https://twitter.com/indoflyer/status/13 ... 40773?s=20

Well that just feels weird. Looks great, though. I'm curious to see how they reconfigure the cabins up to SQ standards.
 
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:26 am

panam330 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Well while they discuss the rest of the fleet, first rebranded Silk Air 737NG is out of the paint shop.

SQ is back in the narrowbody game.

Image

https://twitter.com/indoflyer/status/13 ... 40773?s=20

Well that just feels weird. Looks great, though. I'm curious to see how they reconfigure the cabins up to SQ standards.


Me too. Those Silk Air 737-800 cabins are tired and worn out.
 
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:37 am

Quite a throwback!

 
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:58 am

VSMUT wrote:
panam330 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Well while they discuss the rest of the fleet, first rebranded Silk Air 737NG is out of the paint shop.

SQ is back in the narrowbody game.

Image

https://twitter.com/indoflyer/status/13 ... 40773?s=20

Well that just feels weird. Looks great, though. I'm curious to see how they reconfigure the cabins up to SQ standards.


Me too. Those Silk Air 737-800 cabins are tired and worn out.

Apparently it was meant to be refitted with nose-to-tail AVOD and lie-flat similar to what FlyDubai has

Or at least for the MAX - not sure how the NG will be reconfigured

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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:36 am

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Quite a throwback!



It's funny how SQ's livery is so iconic and long lasting, but that they have made very subtle changes over the years without me even realizing it. Even the tail has been slightly updated!

Still one of the best liveries out there.
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:52 am

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MrHMSH wrote:
Quite a throwback!



It's funny how SQ's livery is so iconic and long lasting, but that they have made very subtle changes over the years without me even realizing it. Even the tail has been slightly updated!

Still one of the best liveries out there.


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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:59 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Well while they discuss the rest of the fleet, first rebranded Silk Air 737NG is out of the paint shop.

SQ is back in the narrowbody game.

Image

https://twitter.com/indoflyer/status/13 ... 40773?s=20


Given the MAX debacle, it is interesting and telling that SQ are still moving ahead with incorporating the B737 (NG for now at least, but still...) into THEIR fleet, in THEIR colours. I know it is a plan that was made before the tragic MAX crashes but it does indicate some faith in the B737 and optimism regarding passenger perception. SQ can be quite dramatic when it comes to image and perception.
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:16 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Well while they discuss the rest of the fleet, first rebranded Silk Air 737NG is out of the paint shop.

SQ is back in the narrowbody game.

Image

https://twitter.com/indoflyer/status/13 ... 40773?s=20


Looks just like it’s sister. https://www.airliners.net/photo/Singapo ... AX/5821649
 
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:19 pm

MoKa777 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Well while they discuss the rest of the fleet, first rebranded Silk Air 737NG is out of the paint shop.

SQ is back in the narrowbody game.

Image

https://twitter.com/indoflyer/status/13 ... 40773?s=20


Given the MAX debacle, it is interesting and telling that SQ are still moving ahead with incorporating the B737 (NG for now at least, but still...) into THEIR fleet, in THEIR colours. I know it is a plan that was made before the tragic MAX crashes but it does indicate some faith in the B737 and optimism regarding passenger perception. SQ can be quite dramatic when it comes to image and perception.


It's probably more that they don't have very many other options, given the long queues (and very expensive) A320 slots, the fact that they invested a load of money into developing and procuring cabin products for the 737 and the fact that COVID hit and now there is an urgent need at just about every airline to reduce their expenditure as much as possible.

And also, there's a question of what they would then do with the MAXs that they already have in their fleet (I think they technically have 14 now even though 8 of them have not been delivered)?
 
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:39 pm

MrHMSH wrote:
PANAMsterdam wrote:
MrHMSH wrote:
Quite a throwback!



It's funny how SQ's livery is so iconic and long lasting, but that they have made very subtle changes over the years without me even realizing it. Even the tail has been slightly updated!

Still one of the best liveries out there.


If it ain't broke, don't fix it!


:cloudnine: Beautiful! Although i gotta say, the 747's white nose would not have looked worse with that cheat line going a bit further on it. But other than that: classic paint job with a nice modern update.
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Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:05 pm

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Dated December 2019...

More exciting than the Silk Air renders:

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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:24 pm

The SQ livery doesn’t seem to work well on smallerplanes. I think it’s because the livery has too many designs to fit on a narrow body without compressing it all too much. I think it’s the livery banner around the windows that doesn’t work too well when the plane is short. It will be curious to see how People like SQ’s 737s. It’s quite a change to see a small and low plane in the SQ livery. Will Silk Air cabin crew be exclusive to the 737 or are current SQ crew member also going
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SQ Boeing 737-800

Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:36 pm

Did anyone see the SQ Boeing 738-800 emerge ??

https://mobile.twitter.com/aviatren/sta ... nes-737%2F

Looks gorgeous!
 
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Re: SQ Boeing 737-800

Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:46 pm

Thread on it from last November when it was rolled out

>>>> First SQ 737 MAX roll out
viewtopic.php?t=1435589
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Re: SQ Boeing 737-800

Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:10 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Thread on it from last November when it was rolled out

>>>> First SQ 737 MAX roll out
viewtopic.php?t=1435589


To be pedantic, that was a thread on the SQ -8MAX. This is a respray on a 737-800, presumably ex-MI.

Might make sense to consolidate this thread with that, under a new title - e.g. "SQ 737NG and MAX"?

I don't recall flying on a SQ narrowbody back in the day. I have flown on a Silkair 737-300, Jakarta-Singapore, sometime in the 12 months before MI 185. It is interesting seeing narrowbodies once again in SQ livery.
 
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Re: SQ Boeing 737-800

Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:15 pm

enplaned wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Thread on it from last November when it was rolled out

>>>> First SQ 737 MAX roll out
viewtopic.php?t=1435589


To be pedantic, that was a thread on the SQ -8MAX. This is a respray on a 737-800, presumably ex-MI.

Might make sense to consolidate this thread with that, under a new title - e.g. "SQ 737NG and MAX"?

I don't recall flying on a SQ narrowbody back in the day. I have flown on a Silkair 737-300, Jakarta-Singapore, sometime in the 12 months before MI 185. It is interesting seeing narrowbodies once again in SQ livery.

To be pedantic, this isn't the first -800 respray, we had one in our database in December 2019:

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Re: SQ Boeing 737-800

Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:17 pm

enplaned wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Thread on it from last November when it was rolled out

>>>> First SQ 737 MAX roll out
viewtopic.php?t=1435589


To be pedantic, that was a thread on the SQ -8MAX. This is a respray on a 737-800, presumably ex-MI.

Might make sense to consolidate this thread with that, under a new title - e.g. "SQ 737NG and MAX"?

I don't recall flying on a SQ narrowbody back in the day. I have flown on a Silkair 737-300, Jakarta-Singapore, sometime in the 12 months before MI 185. It is interesting seeing narrowbodies once again in SQ livery.


This a former MI 737-800, yes.

It is simultaneously strange seeing a narrow body in SQ colors and pleasing to see that the MI livery is finally going away. The Silkair paint scheme was utterly forgettable.
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Re: SQ Boeing 737-800

Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:18 pm

Revelation wrote:
enplaned wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Thread on it from last November when it was rolled out

>>>> First SQ 737 MAX roll out
viewtopic.php?t=1435589


To be pedantic, that was a thread on the SQ -8MAX. This is a respray on a 737-800, presumably ex-MI.

Might make sense to consolidate this thread with that, under a new title - e.g. "SQ 737NG and MAX"?

I don't recall flying on a SQ narrowbody back in the day. I have flown on a Silkair 737-300, Jakarta-Singapore, sometime in the 12 months before MI 185. It is interesting seeing narrowbodies once again in SQ livery.

To be pedantic, this isn't the first -800 respray, we had one in our database in December 2019:



That has to be a MAX. See the engine nacelles.
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Re: SQ Boeing 737-800

Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:21 pm

Antarius wrote:
Revelation wrote:
enplaned wrote:

To be pedantic, that was a thread on the SQ -8MAX. This is a respray on a 737-800, presumably ex-MI.

Might make sense to consolidate this thread with that, under a new title - e.g. "SQ 737NG and MAX"?

I don't recall flying on a SQ narrowbody back in the day. I have flown on a Silkair 737-300, Jakarta-Singapore, sometime in the 12 months before MI 185. It is interesting seeing narrowbodies once again in SQ livery.

To be pedantic, this isn't the first -800 respray, we had one in our database in December 2019:



That has to be a MAX. See the engine nacelles.

And the tail cone.
 
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Re: SQ Boeing 737-800

Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:41 pm

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I don't recall flying on a SQ narrowbody back in the day. I have flown on a Silkair 737-300, Jakarta-Singapore, sometime in the 12 months before MI 185. It is interesting seeing narrowbodies once again in SQ livery.

SQ inherited MSA Boeing NB aircraft. At the time, it was a really big deal getting them re-painted, and a massive expense and inconvenience for the newly branded airline. The 727 was also added. Within a short space of time the 747 became the flagship.

In many respects, SQ was a more conservative forerunner of EK, though at the time, many in the industry had a different view. In hindsight, many comments directed at EK, were remarkably similar to those directed at SQ.
 
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Re: SQ Boeing 737-800

Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:48 pm

Are the MI 738s have cabin refits, at the same time as the repaint into SQ colours?

Or has the cabin refits been put on hold, with the current situation.
 
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Re: SQ Boeing 737-800

Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:51 pm

zkncj wrote:
Are the MI 738s have cabin refits, at the same time as the repaint into SQ colours?

Or has the cabin refits been put on hold, with the current situation.


They are not happening at the same time. I am not sure if they are on hold, but this specific frame has not had a cabin refit.
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Re: SQ Boeing 737-800

Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:32 pm

Revelation wrote:
enplaned wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Thread on it from last November when it was rolled out

>>>> First SQ 737 MAX roll out
viewtopic.php?t=1435589


To be pedantic, that was a thread on the SQ -8MAX. This is a respray on a 737-800, presumably ex-MI.

Might make sense to consolidate this thread with that, under a new title - e.g. "SQ 737NG and MAX"?

I don't recall flying on a SQ narrowbody back in the day. I have flown on a Silkair 737-300, Jakarta-Singapore, sometime in the 12 months before MI 185. It is interesting seeing narrowbodies once again in SQ livery.

To be pedantic, this isn't the first -800 respray, we had one in our database in December 2019:


That’s a MAX
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Re: SQ Boeing 737-800

Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:34 pm

Revelation wrote:
enplaned wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Thread on it from last November when it was rolled out

>>>> First SQ 737 MAX roll out
viewtopic.php?t=1435589


To be pedantic, that was a thread on the SQ -8MAX. This is a respray on a 737-800, presumably ex-MI.

Might make sense to consolidate this thread with that, under a new title - e.g. "SQ 737NG and MAX"?

I don't recall flying on a SQ narrowbody back in the day. I have flown on a Silkair 737-300, Jakarta-Singapore, sometime in the 12 months before MI 185. It is interesting seeing narrowbodies once again in SQ livery.

To be pedantic, this isn't the first -800 respray, we had one in our database in December 2019:



That is a MAX, not a -800 repainted
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:58 pm

MoKa777 wrote:
Given the MAX debacle, it is interesting and telling that SQ are still moving ahead with incorporating the B737 (NG for now at least, but still...) into THEIR fleet, in THEIR colours. I know it is a plan that was made before the tragic MAX crashes but it does indicate some faith in the B737 and optimism regarding passenger perception. SQ can be quite dramatic when it comes to image and perception.


Maybe the MAX you could argue that, but the NG is everywhere. It's a real stretch in gymnastics to think that passengers are now going to care about 737s in general. That's like saying after AF 447, they should have dumped their a330s or after MH370, their 777s.

What is going to matter is what they do inside with the cabins, that's it. The Silkair cabins were pretty weak.
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Re: SIA to review fleet plan; future of A380 in limbo

Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:46 am

Antarius wrote:
MoKa777 wrote:
Given the MAX debacle, it is interesting and telling that SQ are still moving ahead with incorporating the B737 (NG for now at least, but still...) into THEIR fleet, in THEIR colours. I know it is a plan that was made before the tragic MAX crashes but it does indicate some faith in the B737 and optimism regarding passenger perception. SQ can be quite dramatic when it comes to image and perception.


Maybe the MAX you could argue that, but the NG is everywhere. It's a real stretch in gymnastics to think that passengers are now going to care about 737s in general. That's like saying after AF 447, they should have dumped their a330s or after MH370, their 777s.

What is going to matter is what they do inside with the cabins, that's it. The Silkair cabins were pretty weak.


MH's 777s rather quickly disappeared after MH370 and MH17. Granted, they were slated for retirement as early as 2013 as per planespotters.net, but they were all gone by the end of January 2016.

I personally see no reason for SQ to not integrate the 737s, the aircraft are already paid for and on property.
 
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Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:21 am

So will SQ keep a similar fare structure as silkair? Or will it be more premium oriented?
 
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So will SQ keep a similar fare structure as silkair? Or will it be more premium oriented?


Pre-covid plan was to be premium with a lie flat regional business class, and PTVs in economy. Who knows post covid. Apart from the lack of PTV and recliner seats - MI was always very premium to me, access to SQ lounges. Was a great travel experience, just felt to me was a brand that never had a soul or heart to it. Just a cast off from SQ, crew and food were great though.

Be odd walking onto a 737 and seeing crew in the Kabaya!
 
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Did anyone see the SQ Boeing 738-800 emerge ??

https://mobile.twitter.com/aviatren/sta ... nes-737%2F

Looks gorgeous!

If they want the titles to be so big, why not without the “AIRLINES”? It would look much better just SINGAPORE. Others have done that a long time ago.
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GZM1 wrote:
bhxdtw wrote:
Did anyone see the SQ Boeing 738-800 emerge ??

https://mobile.twitter.com/aviatren/sta ... nes-737%2F

Looks gorgeous!

If they want the titles to be so big, why not without the “AIRLINES”? It would look much better just SINGAPORE. Others have done that a long time ago.

How many airlines are named after a country in the first place? Like seriously have you seen British Airways just painted "British" or Air France painted "France" or Air Canada "Canada"? It's only going to confuse people.

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Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:28 am

eamondzhang wrote:
How many airlines are named after a country in the first place? Like seriously have you seen British Airways just painted "British" or Air France painted "France" or Air Canada "Canada"? It's only going to confuse people.

Michael

Well, “British” did so in the early eighties, son! “We want to show the world that we are British,” a spokesman said back then. Not to mention American, Cyprus, Austrian, Swiss, Thai, Malaysian, Rossiya, Sri Lankan, Turkish, Canadian (former CP air).
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Re: SQ Boeing 737-800

Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:30 am

smi0006 wrote:
bhxdtw wrote:
So will SQ keep a similar fare structure as silkair? Or will it be more premium oriented?


Pre-covid plan was to be premium with a lie flat regional business class, and PTVs in economy. Who knows post covid. Apart from the lack of PTV and recliner seats - MI was always very premium to me, access to SQ lounges. Was a great travel experience, just felt to me was a brand that never had a soul or heart to it. Just a cast off from SQ, crew and food were great though.

Be odd walking onto a 737 and seeing crew in the Kabaya!


They certainly beat almost any European carrier hands down. OTOH, they are pretty lousy when coming off of a Singapore Airlines business or first class flight, especially considering they even do the 7 hour flight to Cairns.
 
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Re: SQ Boeing 737-800

Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:48 am

I hold SQ in the highest regard. Best crew and service I've ever experienced.

However, I think a bit of SQs grandeur will be chipped away by incorporating Silk Air and going NB. As a fellow poster had already mentioned the livery looks compressed on NB.

Secondly, what was the point to incorporate Silk air? so passengers can have a better experience when flying to Jakarta from Europe via Singapore? Doesn't SQ already fly to most SEA destinations on their own metal?

I think what Cathay has done with Dragon Air was a better approach in terms of customer satisfaction. For example Lhr to Xmn via hkg on J. Yes I know the final leg will be on a 320 and the seats may not be as good as the main haul - big deal!

SQ could have done something similar and rebranded Silk Air to Singapore Express or Singapore Sling with a livery consistent with SQ.
 
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Re: SQ Boeing 737-800

Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:24 pm

lalib wrote:
I hold SQ in the highest regard. Best crew and service I've ever experienced.

However, I think a bit of SQs grandeur will be chipped away by incorporating Silk Air and going NB. As a fellow poster had already mentioned the livery looks compressed on NB.

Secondly, what was the point to incorporate Silk air? so passengers can have a better experience when flying to Jakarta from Europe via Singapore? Doesn't SQ already fly to most SEA destinations on their own metal?

I think what Cathay has done with Dragon Air was a better approach in terms of customer satisfaction. For example Lhr to Xmn via hkg on J. Yes I know the final leg will be on a 320 and the seats may not be as good as the main haul - big deal!

SQ could have done something similar and rebranded Silk Air to Singapore Express or Singapore Sling with a livery consistent with SQ.

Not really. SQ's coverage is very much limited, with vast majority of SEA network on MI.

Same problem for CX - KA does provide more coverage than CX.

Maintaining two separate AOCs cost money, and MI does qutie a bit long flights like HIJ and CNS which are in 7-8hr territories. If one wants to save money, merging into one is quite inevitable. In fact CX has tried to merge KA into its own several times - but one factor that blocked them from attempting so is the traffic right in Mainland China, the bread and butter of KA's existence.

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Re: SQ Boeing 737-800

Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:48 pm

smi0006 wrote:
bhxdtw wrote:
So will SQ keep a similar fare structure as silkair? Or will it be more premium oriented?
-... MI was always very premium to me, access to SQ lounges.

MI also had very premium prices, at least on most routes. I think SQ faced the problem that passengers were paying SQ-level fares for a non-SQ-branded flight. Or rather, the passengers chose cheaper options like Air Asia or Jetstar wherever they could.
 
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Re: SQ Boeing 737-800

Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:49 pm

lalib wrote:
However, I think a bit of SQs grandeur will be chipped away by incorporating Silk Air and going NB. As a fellow poster had already mentioned the livery looks compressed on NB.


The quality of the brand will only be impaired if Singapore doesn't fully incorporate Silk Air with the full onboard product. Once equipped with lie-flat seats in business, IFE, better catering and staff has been retrained to Singapore Airlines standards, the ex-Silk Air 737s will offer the passengers virtually the same as the 787-10.


lalib wrote:
Secondly, what was the point to incorporate Silk air? so passengers can have a better experience when flying to Jakarta from Europe via Singapore? Doesn't SQ already fly to most SEA destinations on their own metal?


Silk Air serves smaller destinations. On some routes they overlap, but they also serve a lot of destinations that are too small for a regional 787-10 or A350, including Darwin and Cairns and lots of secondary airports around the region.
You could turn the argument around. What is the point of keeping Silk Air? I am willing to bet that most Silk Air customers booked their tickets on Singapore Airlines' website. Connecting passengers from Singapore Airlines will be dissapointed and confused when a 737 from a relatively unknown carrier rolls up.

Singapore Airlines has the Scoot brand for the low end of the market these days. Scoot is a true low-cost carrier.


lalib wrote:
I think what Cathay has done with Dragon Air was a better approach in terms of customer satisfaction. For example Lhr to Xmn via hkg on J. Yes I know the final leg will be on a 320 and the seats may not be as good as the main haul - big deal!


It is a big deal to Singapore Airlines and their brand, because they also out fitted the 787-10 with lie flat seats, despite that type flying on a lot of routes that hardly justify a proper nap.
Hong Kong to Xiamen is also a far cry from Singapore to Darwin, Cairns or similar, especially considering how many passengers will be coming off the long haul flights from Europe and America, dreary and jetlagged.


lalib wrote:
SQ could have done something similar and rebranded Silk Air to Singapore Express or Singapore Sling with a livery consistent with SQ.


Why would you do that? It dilutes the brand. People don't go looking for "United Express" tickets, they go to United.com. Passengers either don't care or perceive the express brand as inferior. It adds nothing of value. It would be like Joon or HOP!. Nobody knew them, passengers booked their tickets for Air France flights.
 
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Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:44 pm

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...Still one of the best liveries out there.


Agreed. I might have chosen to delete the word "Airlines" from the name, though.
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Re: SQ Boeing 737-800

Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:06 pm

Antarius wrote:
That has to be a MAX. See the engine nacelles.

luckyone wrote:
And the tail cone.

TheWorm123 wrote:
That’s a MAX

as739x wrote:
That is a MAX, not a -800 repainted

But, is it a MAX? :biggrin:

Pedantry wins, I lose. :sad:

lalib wrote:
I hold SQ in the highest regard. Best crew and service I've ever experienced.

However, I think a bit of SQs grandeur will be chipped away by incorporating Silk Air and going NB. As a fellow poster had already mentioned the livery looks compressed on NB.

The problem was/is that grandeur isn't the selling point it once was.
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Re: SQ Boeing 737-800

Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:26 pm

lalib wrote:
I hold SQ in the highest regard. Best crew and service I've ever experienced.

However, I think a bit of SQs grandeur will be chipped away by incorporating Silk Air and going NB. As a fellow poster had already mentioned the livery looks compressed on NB.

Secondly, what was the point to incorporate Silk air? so passengers can have a better experience when flying to Jakarta from Europe via Singapore? Doesn't SQ already fly to most SEA destinations on their own metal?

I think what Cathay has done with Dragon Air was a better approach in terms of customer satisfaction. For example Lhr to Xmn via hkg on J. Yes I know the final leg will be on a 320 and the seats may not be as good as the main haul - big deal!

SQ could have done something similar and rebranded Silk Air to Singapore Express or Singapore Sling with a livery consistent with SQ.

1) I don't see any issues with product quality if the rumoured FlyDubai style lie flat business and PTV on all seats is implemented.

2) SQ mainly flies to cities that function as the economic centre of larger South East Asian countries and only SUB, DPS and SGN (+HKT to cover for MAX groundings) are the exceptions where there is SQ service to secondary cities. Even BWN was served using an MI A320 on 4 days a week under an SQ flight number up until Covid came about.

3) What makes you think Cathay hasn't tried merging KA into mainline CX? Furthermore, the regional CX product is the same mediocre one as the KA product, there was no need to shield long haul passengers from the regional product using a very different brand. Whereas the MI brand shielded SQ from a not so fantastic product in a quite obvious manner. But this will disappear with the merger plus product standardization as mentioned in 1).
 
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Re: SQ Boeing 737-800

Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:58 pm

jeffrey0032j wrote:
lalib wrote:
I hold SQ in the highest regard. Best crew and service I've ever experienced.

3) What makes you think Cathay hasn't tried merging KA into mainline CX? Furthermore, the regional CX product is the same mediocre one as the KA product, there was no need to shield long haul passengers from the regional product using a very different brand. Whereas the MI brand shielded SQ from a not so fantastic product in a quite obvious manner. But this will disappear with the merger plus product standardization as mentioned in 1).


Traffic rights to China. KA is the AOC that holds most of the rights to China. In contrast, CX can only fly to PEK, PVG and XMN on its own rights. Re-branding KA into Cathay Dragon is the furthest they can do without having to touch the traffic rights allotments.

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Re: SQ Boeing 737-800

Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:03 pm

lalib wrote:
I think what Cathay has done with Dragon Air was a better approach in terms of customer satisfaction. For example Lhr to Xmn via hkg on J. Yes I know the final leg will be on a 320 and the seats may not be as good as the main haul - big deal!



An urban myth.

CX and KA have the same regional cabin, and one can expect better catering on the later.

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Re: SQ Boeing 737-800

Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:11 pm

BHRN wrote:
lalib wrote:
I think what Cathay has done with Dragon Air was a better approach in terms of customer satisfaction. For example Lhr to Xmn via hkg on J. Yes I know the final leg will be on a 320 and the seats may not be as good as the main haul - big deal!



An urban myth.

CX and KA have the same regional cabin, and one can expect better catering on the later.

b-hrn


CX does rotate their long haul fleet on short flights too though. So sometimes, it is the regional config, sometimes the lay flats.

But regional CX to KA is identical, as you said.
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Re: SQ Boeing 737-800

Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:40 am

Antarius wrote:
BHRN wrote:
lalib wrote:
I think what Cathay has done with Dragon Air was a better approach in terms of customer satisfaction. For example Lhr to Xmn via hkg on J. Yes I know the final leg will be on a 320 and the seats may not be as good as the main haul - big deal!



An urban myth.

CX and KA have the same regional cabin, and one can expect better catering on the later.

b-hrn


CX does rotate their long haul fleet on short flights too though. So sometimes, it is the regional config, sometimes the lay flats.

But regional CX to KA is identical, as you said.

It's much less often pre-covid and usually scheduled in advance in any case. You would hardly see something like what used to happen with CX367/8 HKG-PVG rotation: 7 different configs (on different aircraft types) across 7 different days within a week!

And as mentioned by b-hln KA's catering is way better than CX even on the same route.

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Re: SQ Boeing 737-800

Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:24 am

eamondzhang wrote:
lalib wrote:
I hold SQ in the highest regard. Best crew and service I've ever experienced.

However, I think a bit of SQs grandeur will be chipped away by incorporating Silk Air and going NB. As a fellow poster had already mentioned the livery looks compressed on NB.

Secondly, what was the point to incorporate Silk air? so passengers can have a better experience when flying to Jakarta from Europe via Singapore? Doesn't SQ already fly to most SEA destinations on their own metal?

I think what Cathay has done with Dragon Air was a better approach in terms of customer satisfaction. For example Lhr to Xmn via hkg on J. Yes I know the final leg will be on a 320 and the seats may not be as good as the main haul - big deal!

SQ could have done something similar and rebranded Silk Air to Singapore Express or Singapore Sling with a livery consistent with SQ.

Not really. SQ's coverage is very much limited, with vast majority of SEA network on MI.

Same problem for CX - KA does provide more coverage than CX.

Maintaining two separate AOCs cost money, and MI does qutie a bit long flights like HIJ and CNS which are in 7-8hr territories. If one wants to save money, merging into one is quite inevitable. In fact CX has tried to merge KA into its own several times - but one factor that blocked them from attempting so is the traffic right in Mainland China, the bread and butter of KA's existence.

Michael


Actually before 2016 SIA Group had four to five AOC with the Singapore CAA.

• Singapore Airlines (SQ/SIA)
• Singapore Airlines Cargo (SQ/SQC)
• Scoot Air (TZ/SCO)
• Tiger Air (TR/TGW)
• Silk Air (MI/SLK)

Same year both Scoot and Tigerair merged will Scoo being the survived brand though they inherit Tiger Air codes AOC so now used TZ for IATA and TGW for ICAO. This reduced the number of AOC too four and then in 2018 SIA re-integrated Singapore Airlines Cargo back to its Cargo Division and will merged Silk Air fleet to SIA once all of this is done there will only be two AOC one for SIA another for Scoot.

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Re: SQ Boeing 737-800

Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:27 am

Are there any photos of the business class cabin they put into the 737s? One of the reasons they stated when merging Silk Air back to SQ is to standardize their cabin and services, so I wonder how the 737 business class would match up to the long range business class seats in SQ's fleet of 787/777/A350.

Copa, Aer Lingus and TAP, etc. do have lie-flat business class on their 737s and A321s. I wonder if that's the style SQ is putting into their 737s.
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Re: SQ Boeing 737-800

Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:31 am

AB330 wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
lalib wrote:
I hold SQ in the highest regard. Best crew and service I've ever experienced.

However, I think a bit of SQs grandeur will be chipped away by incorporating Silk Air and going NB. As a fellow poster had already mentioned the livery looks compressed on NB.

Secondly, what was the point to incorporate Silk air? so passengers can have a better experience when flying to Jakarta from Europe via Singapore? Doesn't SQ already fly to most SEA destinations on their own metal?

I think what Cathay has done with Dragon Air was a better approach in terms of customer satisfaction. For example Lhr to Xmn via hkg on J. Yes I know the final leg will be on a 320 and the seats may not be as good as the main haul - big deal!

SQ could have done something similar and rebranded Silk Air to Singapore Express or Singapore Sling with a livery consistent with SQ.

Not really. SQ's coverage is very much limited, with vast majority of SEA network on MI.

Same problem for CX - KA does provide more coverage than CX.

Maintaining two separate AOCs cost money, and MI does qutie a bit long flights like HIJ and CNS which are in 7-8hr territories. If one wants to save money, merging into one is quite inevitable. In fact CX has tried to merge KA into its own several times - but one factor that blocked them from attempting so is the traffic right in Mainland China, the bread and butter of KA's existence.

Michael


Actually before 2016 SIA Group had four to five AOC with the Singapore CAA.

• Singapore Airlines (SQ/SIA)
• Singapore Airlines Cargo (SQ/SQC)
• Scoot Air (TZ/SCO)
• Tiger Air (TR/TGW)
• Silk Air (MI/SLK)

Same year both Scoot and Tigerair merged will Scoo being the survived brand though they inherit Tiger Air codes AOC so now used TZ for IATA and TGW for ICAO. This reduced the number of AOC too four and then in 2018 SIA re-integrated Singapore Airlines Cargo back to its Cargo Division and will merged Silk Air fleet to SIA once all of this is done there will only be two AOC one for SIA another for Scoot.

Singapore Airlines (SQ/SIA)
Scoot (TR/TGW)

Yep fully aware of that but thanks for mentioning. I always thought merging MI and SQ is a good idea as their market largely overlaps each other; when you have two different AOCs you need two different sets of admins and stuff which only adds costs for minimal benefits. (Although not knowing MI's labour arangement it might well be MI having a slightly lower labour cost but SQ has determined that this is not going to be enough to offset the benefit)

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Re: SQ Boeing 737-800

Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:15 am

raylee67 wrote:
Are there any photos of the business class cabin they put into the 737s? One of the reasons they stated when merging Silk Air back to SQ is to standardize their cabin and services, so I wonder how the 737 business class would match up to the long range business class seats in SQ's fleet of 787/777/A350.


No, not yet. It was supposed to be rolled out with the 737MAX, but we all know how that went.


raylee67 wrote:
Copa, Aer Lingus and TAP, etc. do have lie-flat business class on their 737s and A321s. I wonder if that's the style SQ is putting into their 737s.


Same type as FlyDubai has on the 737MAX is what most are saying:

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Re: SQ Boeing 737-800

Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:27 pm

VSMUT wrote:

Same type as FlyDubai has on the 737MAX is what most are saying:


Ah thanks. Look nice. Didn't know flyDubai also changed their business class seats on the MAX.
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Re: SQ Boeing 737-800

Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:37 pm

raylee67 wrote:
VSMUT wrote:

Same type as FlyDubai has on the 737MAX is what most are saying:


Ah thanks. Look nice. Didn't know flyDubai also changed their business class seats on the MAX.


They didn't change. FlyDubai had lie-flat seats on the MAX since day 1.

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