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Gillbilly
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Re: Why was the A319 never used on longer routes?

Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:27 am

Air Canada BOS to YVR on an A319 had been done in recent years. >2,500 nm
 
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Re: Why was the A319 never used on longer routes?

Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:31 am

SASViking wrote:
jmscsc wrote:
The BA LCY-JFK service was operated by A318s not A319s


That's right, thanks for the correction!
 
AleksW
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Re: Why was the A319 never used on longer routes?

Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:28 am

It's not a problem to fly a longer route on the A319. 737 BBJ can do a very long flights. It's all about economics and payload.
 
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Re: Why was the A319 never used on longer routes?

Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:03 am

9Patch wrote:
SheikhDjibouti wrote:

9Patch wrote:
There is something that caused the airlines to drastically curtail the number of flights they operate.
It's called covid -19.
Have you heard about it?
Indeed, which is why I qualified my comment with "no flights.... at this time". But thank you for your sarcasm.

If I had simply left it at that, it would have thrown shade on the idea that flights ever existed at all, so instead I asked the question. (which then seems to have triggered a few people)

Boeing757rb211's post seems to have triggered you.

My next question is; why has this route been singled out during Covid-19, when so many others are still flying, maybe at reduced capacity?

Could it be there is no demand? ANC is primarily a tourist destination.

Is there an issue with the possibility of aircraft going technical en-route, and diverting into Canada? That would cause something of a headache.

Doubtful. Any flight to Alaska from the Lower 48, no matter where it originates, has the possibility of going technical en-route and needing to divert to Canada. Alaska Airlines is currently operating 14 SEA-ANC non-stops a day, that ALL have the potential to go technical. Furthermore, the border is not completely closed.

The U.S.-Canada border remains closed to all non-essential travel but Americans and foreigners can drive to and from Alaska provided they follow certain rules...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/n ... 553335002/

I'm sure Canada would consider a flight diversion for technical reasons, essential, just as the


ANC has a 14 day quarantine if you do not have a covid test with result 72 hours before. We had a big reductions in visits to Denali due to that.
 
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Re: Why was the A319 never used on longer routes?

Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:37 pm

SAS used the A319 from Copenhagen to Greenland. Might still do it?
 
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SASViking
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Re: Why was the A319 never used on longer routes?

Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:55 pm

Noshow wrote:
SAS used the A319 from Copenhagen to Greenland. Might still do it?

SAS ended their Greenland flights back in 2009
Types flown: A319, A320, A32N, A321, A332, A333, A343, AT43, AT75, AT76, B717, B732, B735, B736, B737, B738, B752, B753, CRJ9, DC10, DH4D, DHC3, E135, E145, E175, E190, E195, F100, MD11, MD81, MD82, MD87, RJ1H
 
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Re: Why was the A319 never used on longer routes?

Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:36 pm

This isn't Civ Av of course, but right now Italian AF MM62209 is half way across France on it's way back to Rome (CIA Ciampino), ex Dallas DFW.

How's that for a longer routing? (Ok, so it's an ACJ319, and it may have used Gander as a fuelling stop each way) :lol:

Still, 4,900 nm with one stop isn't too shabby.

Here it is, arriving at DFW yesterday.

Nothing to see here; move along please.
 
tommy1808
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Re: Why was the A319 never used on longer routes?

Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:43 pm

SASViking wrote:
Noshow wrote:
SAS used the A319 from Copenhagen to Greenland. Might still do it?

SAS ended their Greenland flights back in 2009


And it wasn't far, just like flying to Tenerife.

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Thomas
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stgs1988
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Re: Why was the A319 never used on longer routes?

Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:03 pm

A bit off-topic; but when an aircraft manufacturer talks about range, is it on MTOW or with no pax or cargo?
E.g. as per airbus.com the Airbus A319NEO has a range of 3700NM is this with full pax and cargo with MTOW of 166,40 lb / 75,50 Tonnes?

Or what sort of weight are we talking about?
Thanks!
 
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Re: Why was the A319 never used on longer routes?

Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:11 pm

Qatar operated A319 on DOH-RGN when it started that route. The distance is about 2500nm, which is not much shorter than DUB-BOS (which is about 2600nm), so it is quite the same as trans-Atlantic already.
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Re: Why was the A319 never used on longer routes?

Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:58 pm

VSMUT wrote:
Newark727 wrote:
I think Air France tried long-haul with business-class A319s for a little while as well.


They did. Air France had a dedicated fleet of long range A319s for flights into Africa and the Middle East. 82 seats, 28 business and 54 economy. It started in 2004 and was ended in 2012, where the aicraft were reconfigured to normal AF standard.


It was called "Air France Dedicate" and was targeting oil trafic, mainly Total SA workers.

It indeed launched in 2004 initially with 4 319 before adding 2 other frames and 2 weekly flights each from Paris CDG to :

- Pointe Noire
- Malabo
- Kuwait City
- Kish Island (Iran - I remember the launched being postponed due to government aproval but don't know if the flights ended up happening)
- Doha
- Tachkent (Ouzbékistan)
- Atyrau (Kazakhstan - I think this one was announced but never actually launched).

The network changed multiple times with AF adding Dedicate services to Djibouti, Malabo, Bata, N'Djamena, Nouachkott and Riyad.

When the service stopped, the 2 last cities served by AF Dedicate were Malabo and N'Djamena with a daily flight each.

Off those, the only cities AF still serves are Pointe Noire, Malabo (via Douala), Djibouti, N'Djamena (flight continues to Abuja) and Nouakchott (flight continues to Conakry) all with 332 equipment.

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