Yes someone wants to do it again

Per press release received:

10 September 2020
Miami Florida – The recent resurrection of the famed Pan American Airlines has caused quite a stir in the aviation community. The iconic airline has opened temporary offices in Miami, Florida as they negotiate for a South American home. “We are looking for a corporate center in the South American marketplace. The new headquarters will directly employ a staff of 1200.”, stated Gene Tatum the Pan American newly appointed President.
On top of the Pan Am list is Ecuador as they negotiate for the troubled TAME Airlines. Alternative locations are Colombia, Panama, and Costa Rica.
“We are hoping to enter a joint venture agreement with the Ecuadorian Government for their recently closed, state owned TAME Airlines; however negotiations seem to have stalled as the officials from TAME wish to sell off the assets rather than try and salvage the Airline.” Tatum continues, “Both Colombia and Costa Rica have expressed interest in housing Pan Am.”
In addition to the traditional passenger aircraft, the Iconic Pan Am plans to incorporate a combination of passenger and expanded freight onboard Retrofitted Combi aircraft.
We are looking at bringing back into service the Boeing 747-Combi with retrofitted interior designs providing our transcontinental customers both spacious designs and a healthy, pleasurable experience.
Pan American plans return to the airways by the end of November.

http://www.airpanam.com



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Did not know the Pan Am name was sold again.

Wish the iconic name would just

Starting an airline with the 744 sounds not too promising. At least now we know that a KLM 74M will find a temporary new home, until this PanAm will fold like all the others did

I wonder if Pan Am Systems, the railroad up in New England that owns the name and trademark, knows?

N717TW wrote:

I wonder if Pan Am Systems, the railroad up in New England that owns the name and trademark, knows?

If it’s a 3 post thread on airliners it has clearly “caused quite a stir”. Lol

OMG, Will you just stop all of this. Hey why don't we pool our money and start up some of the old US regional airlines, North Central, Ozark, Air West. etc. We already have Southern, and Frontier How about PSA, Western, Air California....Anyone??

LAXintl wrote:

The new headquarters will directly employ a staff of 1200.”, stated Gene Tatum the Pan American newly appointed President.

I'm going to take the under on that claim of 1,200. Way, way under.

How many people at the HQs of AA or UA?

They should use 707s with the old livery,I miss that beautiful blue cheating line. Hey, I'm not the only one dreaming here...

sunking737 wrote:

OMG, Will you just stop all of this. Hey why don't we pool our money and start up some of the old US regional airlines, North Central, Ozark, Air West. etc. We already have Southern, and Frontier How about PSA, Western, Air California....Anyone??

I all for bringing back " Herman the Duck" on a Retro Jet. One of the iconic airlines along with Southern and Hughes AirWest and Western that are a part of the Airlines Of Delta.

Will I be eligible for retro seniority date to 1967? I'd likely get Christmas off with that seniority date

Just let the name die. The “glory days” are over

I thought the Pan Am was safely (...ish) sequestered on a minor short line railroad in New England. What is this now?

sunking737 wrote:

OMG, Will you just stop all of this. Hey why don't we pool our money and start up some of the old US regional airlines, North Central, Ozark, Air West. etc. We already have Southern, and Frontier How about PSA, Western, Air California....Anyone??

PSA and Piedmont are already taken

Their website is a Wordpress site (without the icon changed) and their mailing address is a coworking office space in Miami.

It ain't happening.

I thought the DOT requires drug testing for airline employees. Whoever came up with this is definitely on drugs.

LHA320 wrote:

Starting an airline with the 744 sounds not too promising. At least now we know that a KLM 74M will find a temporary new home, until this PanAm will fold like all the others did

Well, it seems unlikely but 2020 plays by different rules. Filling up a 744M with cargo shouldn't be too hard, and it takes pressure off filling the pax side. But yeah, these days I imagine you could stumble into a 767 or A330 pretty cheap and would have been my first choice - but then, I don't know what network they plan on flying.

Nice logo. A nice "could have been" had the original Pan Am made it this far.

Basically:

"We don't know what country our headquarters will be in and haven't really hired anyone or acquired any assets, but we expect to be operating in about 2 months"

great stuff

This is hilarious really? starting an airline with a 747Combi during a pandemic, I mean might as well throw in some MD80s, DC10s from Fedex(if they have some spare ones). I wish them good luck but seems like a dead dream once again..why not wait and start with a 321Neo or 321XLR? not many people are traveling now, who knows what the future will hold.

Which hobbyist website (err, I mean 'airline') gets off the ground first: Pan Am Global or Avatar Airlines (https://avatarairlines.com/)?

I feel like a cease and desist order from Pan Am Systems is imminent. The fact that the name is Pan Am "Airlines" or the word-press site or the idea that they are shopping for a Latin American country to set up shop in (no one starts a business not even knowing what country it will be based in...) or "1,200 employee staff" or the suggestion of using a 744M (of which 0 are in airline operation worldwide) is enough for me to be pretty sure this is totally fake and that they have not bought the appropriate IT rights...

I can remember the jingle: "You can't beat the experience... thisisaSCAAAAMMMM!"

There's never been a better time to start an airline.

FWIW it also says under the Destinations section that they will operate an A319. There is a route map there.

http://airpanam.com/2020/06/14/destinations/

Apparently their business class is identical to BA’s 787 First product. Even down to the entertainment system!

Has anyone seen The Producers?

Maybe this is like that. Get rich through failure.

LHA320 wrote:

Starting an airline with the 744 sounds not too promising. At least now we know that a KLM 74M will find a temporary new home, until this PanAm will fold like all the others did

It's Baltia all over again. Except this time it's not a 742 flying from JFK to Latvia!

argentinevol98 wrote:

I feel like a cease and desist order from Pan Am Systems is imminent. The fact that the name is Pan Am "Airlines" or the word-press site or the idea that they are shopping for a Latin American country to set up shop in (no one starts a business not even knowing what country it will be based in...) or "1,200 employee staff" or the suggestion of using a 744M (of which 0 are in airline operation worldwide) is enough for me to be pretty sure this is totally fake and that they have not bought the appropriate IT rights...

You could be quite wrong on that assessment:

1) Does anyone know if company in New Hampshire perhaps sold the name?

2) If not, there is an obligation from the rules of owning a trademark, that it has to be used for what it was intended. Having a small office in NH and not operating as an actual airline now for many years, could put the current owners of the name at risk of keeping it. You cannot "squat" on a branded name and fail to do anything with it, for what it's intention is indefinitely.

The current owners of the name have not operated the airline now for many years. Most of these posts are so negative and although the odds are stacked against them, I for one would love to see it happen. Not sure about all of you, but our airports have gotten really boring. A lack of variety of airlines and aircraft are taking the interest away.

I think the ownership of Pan Am Railway System was actually put up for sale recently. Could be a new ownership group already sold off the name. Though they seem to be actively using it at the moment.

I'd much rather see Pan Am on the side of locomotives than this probable mess.

It’s the best time to start a new airline at the moment. If it is with a 747, that’s a different question. I work in the industry, and I see signs everywhere, that airlines, the traditional ones, will not survive this crisis. There is no way that an airline like LH can scale back ops to 40 %. And there is no way, that these airlines will be put under state control. Here in Europe, FR, W6 are only waiting for it. And it seems that with every day of government aid, it becomes obvious. So setting up an airline, maybe using third hand cheap aircraft, that can cope with the really dramatically day to day changing environment would make sense. Maybe even the big EU lowcosters are already to inflexible to do that. But currently they seem to cope way better than the traditional airlines. Hell, if you consider the staff they have in their headquarters (numbers are available) and compare these to the daily flights, spice it with the current loadfactors... oh boy.

I hope I’m wrong...

sunking737 wrote:

OMG, Will you just stop all of this. Hey why don't we pool our money and start up some of the old US regional airlines, North Central, Ozark, Air West. etc. We already have Southern, and Frontier How about PSA, Western, Air California....Anyone??

Well since Frontier has been around for a little over 25 years I'd say they've been quite successful. Southern, do you mean the cargo company? They were originally Southern Air Transport that has existed since at least the 1960's, while the original Southern Airlines was around.

Are we sure this isn't just someone's fantasy or school project? The website certainly gives that vibe.

Barry Michaels involved somehow ?

LHA320 wrote:

Starting an airline with the 744 sounds not too promising. At least now we know that a KLM 74M will find a temporary new home, until this PanAm will fold like all the others did

LHA320: B744, to launch service at times like this. Stupefying.

sunking737 wrote:

OMG, Will you just stop all of this. Hey why don't we pool our money and start up some of the old US regional airlines, North Central, Ozark, Air West. etc. We already have Southern, and Frontier How about PSA, Western, Air California....Anyone??

If Western returned with “three feet for your two legs”, I say, bring it!

And, while we’re at itl bring back the freight carrier, Zoom Zoom Airways.

sunking737 wrote:

OMG, Will you just stop all of this. Hey why don't we pool our money and start up some of the old US regional airlines, North Central, Ozark, Air West. etc. We already have Southern, and Frontier How about PSA, Western, Air California....Anyone??

I vote we bring back "MOHAWK"

jetblueguy22 wrote:

Just let the name die. The “glory days” are over

I’m old enough to remember “grownups” who flew on PanAm in the 50s, and later on, friends and other contemporaries who flew PanAm from the 60s up til they died.

PanAm killed itself. I think you will find that many who sing its praises never actually flew them, or, if they did, it was in first class. Anywhere else on the plane, the impression was “you’re a nuisance”, or “What are YOU doing on OUR airplane?”.Cabins were often shabby or dirty.

When PanAm could no longer buy enough politicians to keep their monopoly, the competeition tore them to pieces.

Coexstud wrote:

sunking737 wrote:

PSA and Piedmont are already taken

The times I flew on PSA branded aircraft, the cabin attendants always thanked us for “flying with us on PSA Airlines!”

Being a Californian, my brain skips a groove and hears “flying with Pacific Southwest Airways Airlines!”.

sunking737 wrote:

OMG, Will you just stop all of this. Hey why don't we pool our money and start up some of the old US regional airlines, North Central, Ozark, Air West. etc. We already have Southern, and Frontier How about PSA, Western, Air California....Anyone??

Lets see:
-TWA bought Ozark & AA bought TWA so most likely AA now owns the name as well as AirCal & PSA.
-Delta Owns the Western name & Hughes Air West name from Republic to Northwest to Delta.
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So that idea is probably out of the question.

rbavfan wrote:

sunking737 wrote:

OMG, Will you just stop all of this. Hey why don't we pool our money and start up some of the old US regional airlines, North Central, Ozark, Air West. etc. We already have Southern, and Frontier How about PSA, Western, Air California....Anyone??

Lets see:
-TWA bought Ozark & AA bought TWA so most likely AA now owns the name as well as AirCal & PSA.
-Delta Owns the Western name & Hughes Air West name from Republic to Northwest to Delta.
.
So that idea is probably out of the question.

AA still owns (or at least re-acquired) AirCal (they have a retro jet), TWA (they have a retrojet), and PSA (US named one of their regionals that to hold on to the rights). Unsure about Ozark.

I don’t think DL owns the Western name. There was a Western airlines revival ~10 years ago that lasted for like a week (it used Xtra or another charter airline for its flying). We know DL doesn’t own Republic name because of the regional airline which when founded had nothing to do with DL.

There are use it or lose it rules that apply to trademarks. I would not automatically assume AA owns Ozark still, and Delta owns Hughes Air West, Western, etc. they probably still have Northwest though.

There are plenty of cheap 747s and A380s available now that still have plenty of life left in them. I wouldn't be surprised if someone started a new airline taking advantage of the combination of low oil prices, lower pilot and cabin crew wages, reduced competition and low purchase/lease costs. However, I'm not so sure about Combis - weren't those worked to death by KLM already?

Perhaps this iteration is buying Pan Am Railways:

https://www.railjournal.com/financial/p ... -for-sale/

This reminds me of Avatar Airlines, who wanted to buy 30 747-8is from Boeing.

Boeing757100 wrote:

This reminds me of Avatar Airlines, who wanted to buy 30 747-8is from Boeing.

Looks like the Department of Transportation dismissed Avatar's application for an air transportation certificate back in September 2017 on the basis of lack of documentation:

https://downloads.regulations.gov/DOT-O ... ment_1.pdf

They won't be flying anytime soon (or ever).

sjones1975 wrote:

Boeing757100 wrote:

This reminds me of Avatar Airlines, who wanted to buy 30 747-8is from Boeing.

Looks like the Department of Transportation dismissed Avatar's application for an air transportation certification back in September 2017 on the basis of lack of documentation:

https://downloads.regulations.gov/DOT-O ... ment_1.pdf

They won't be flying anytime soon (or ever).

Yeah, I am doubtful that they even have investors or supporters. Maybe they inhaled too many avgas fumes because as sad as it is, if you are not a cargo airline, I wouldn't see you operation 30+ 747-8s.

FGITD wrote:

I think the ownership of Pan Am Railway System was actually put up for sale recently. Could be a new ownership group already sold off the name. Though they seem to be actively using it at the moment.

I'd much rather see Pan Am on the side of locomotives than this probable mess.

Here you go:

https://youtu.be/0Gv2aljFI00

And while they're at it, why not resuscitate Panagra...

The "real" Pan Am is long dead. Nothing but beautiful memories of a bygone era. RIP. The world has changed. They should let the name rest.

Beech

ojjunior wrote:

FGITD wrote:

I think the ownership of Pan Am Railway System was actually put up for sale recently. Could be a new ownership group already sold off the name. Though they seem to be actively using it at the moment.

I'd much rather see Pan Am on the side of locomotives than this probable mess.

Here you go:

https://youtu.be/0Gv2aljFI00

I live in the northeast area so I see them around fairly often. Every now and then I'll see one while on my way to work (at an airport) and think to myself "oh man if Trippe was alive now..."

To be fair, they're nice looking locomotives. Proof that PA was right about those colors and logo

WesternDC6B wrote:

jetblueguy22 wrote:

Just let the name die. The “glory days” are over

I’m old enough to remember “grownups” who flew on PanAm in the 50s, and later on, friends and other contemporaries who flew PanAm from the 60s up til they died.

PanAm killed itself. I think you will find that many who sing its praises never actually flew them, or, if they did, it was in first class. Anywhere else on the plane, the impression was “you’re a nuisance”, or “What are YOU doing on OUR airplane?”.Cabins were often shabby or dirty.

When PanAm could no longer buy enough politicians to keep their monopoly, the competeition tore them to pieces.

I don't disagree with anything you two both mention.

Currently the aviation industry is in a death spiral and while it will flare before hitting the ground it's going to be a different beast that emerges.

Only thing I'd say - I flew Pan Am several times and there was a lot of pride in service and legacy history. Flying Pan Am was different and better IMHO.

Unless Delta or United did a reset branding exercise, please can we let the name RIP? It's bad enough they are gone. It's worse that it could yet again relaunch as another cheap hooker

Awesome! Pan Am is coming back! How cool is this finally its an Airline again just like the good old days.

Who says that people cannot start an airline, Of course you can there is prosperity and hope in times of trouble and need of hope.

I for one am excited to see and that there opening up offices in Miami makes it even better as a person who lives in South Florida and sees it as a beacon of hope and future for Aviation/ Aeronautics.

I have heard of the Pan Am Railways up in the northeast of the USA And they said it was on sale but hmm? Wonder what will happen to Pan Am Railways?

I hope they are hiring because this would be wonders for me since I live in South Florida, hopefully once I finish my FAA training I hope so.

Doesn't look authentic to me.