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aemoreira1981
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Re: Is DL taking delivery of A350’s from NRT to avoid tariffs?

Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:52 am

777Mech wrote:
Coexstud wrote:
There’s no loophole especially since all deltar planes bare a US Registery N.......DN or DL .....and they do take the a350 domestically too ATL-DTW comes to mind if the try and skirt the tax it will burn them in then end especially with them crying for bail out money


If they need to repo, ATL-DTW, they can just ferry via YYZ. It's really not that big of a deal. They aren't getting burnt on tariff avoidance. If you'd read the thread, you'd know this already.


But what about a domestic diversion?
 
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Re: Is DL taking delivery of A350’s from NRT to avoid tariffs?

Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:26 am

tommy1808 wrote:
Nick614 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:

yup, the US economy would certainly love to be subject to the maximum tariff in WTO schedules for all its exports.

best regards
Thomas


Except you are forgetting our biggest exports are food and oil which isn't easily replaced by another source.


As of 2019 the US was a net oil importer. https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php? ... 0in%202019.

For food the US currently is a net importer
https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/ ... %20monthly

Seems quite easy to replace.... especially considering the EU is already twice as big a food exporter and your exports in a good year are barely more than 1% of the EU agricultural production.

Also when you have a trade deficit you can't lose!


aside of having a higher trade deficit you mean?

best regards
Thomas


Not sure what you were looking at on Agriculture, outside of 2020 YTD (COVID-19) related, the US has been a next exporter since at least 2016 (when the spreadsheet shows data).
 
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Re: Is DL taking delivery of A350’s from NRT to avoid tariffs?

Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:30 am

burnsie28 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
Nick614 wrote:

Except you are forgetting our biggest exports are food and oil which isn't easily replaced by another source.


As of 2019 the US was a net oil importer. https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php? ... 0in%202019.

For food the US currently is a net importer
https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/ ... %20monthly

Seems quite easy to replace.... especially considering the EU is already twice as big a food exporter and your exports in a good year are barely more than 1% of the EU agricultural production.

Also when you have a trade deficit you can't lose!


aside of having a higher trade deficit you mean?

best regards
Thomas


Not sure what you were looking at on Agriculture, outside of 2020 YTD (COVID-19) related, the US has been a next exporter since at least 2016 (when the spreadsheet shows data).


Yeah, i meant 2020 by "currently", and i also included that the US does (usually) export, but that it isn´t all that much.

best regards
Thomas
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Re: Is DL taking delivery of A350’s from NRT to avoid tariffs?

Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:35 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
AEROFAN wrote:
So airlines have figured out how to dodge paying tariffs and the gov't is supposed to bail them out using tax payers' money. Alrighty then...


Agreed. Delta and any other airlines pulling these stunts shouldn't get a dime of relief from the taxpayers.


Tariffs imposed by the administration lately have caused these issues. I believe you or someone referenced Walmart and importing, well that's different because they are selling that product to the end user. In this case Delta is the end user and will import when the tariffs go back to the normal levels they were and not this little boo hoo trade war.

Additionally, you are just looking at it surface level, economically, airlines will provide far more to the economy than what is being spent. The US airline industry drives a 1.7 TRILLION and effects around 10 million jobs in economic activity each year. Far more than $50 billion.
 
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Re: Is DL taking delivery of A350’s from NRT to avoid tariffs?

Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:22 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
777Mech wrote:
Coexstud wrote:
There’s no loophole especially since all deltar planes bare a US Registery N.......DN or DL .....and they do take the a350 domestically too ATL-DTW comes to mind if the try and skirt the tax it will burn them in then end especially with them crying for bail out money


If they need to repo, ATL-DTW, they can just ferry via YYZ. It's really not that big of a deal. They aren't getting burnt on tariff avoidance. If you'd read the thread, you'd know this already.


But what about a domestic diversion?


The government shouldn't hold DL liable in a diversion because you don't want to pressure a carrier to not make a right safety judgment be it a mechanical or medical.
 
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Re: Is DL taking delivery of A350’s from NRT to avoid tariffs?

Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:31 pm

KLMatSJC wrote:
777Mech wrote:
Coexstud wrote:
There’s no loophole especially since all deltar planes bare a US Registery N.......DN or DL .....and they do take the a350 domestically too ATL-DTW comes to mind if the try and skirt the tax it will burn them in then end especially with them crying for bail out money


If they need to repo, ATL-DTW, they can just ferry via YYZ. It's really not that big of a deal. They aren't getting burnt on tariff avoidance. If you'd read the thread, you'd know this already.

The A321 actually ferried ATL-DTW, so it might be allowed.


Good catch. I do see it ferried DTW-ATL back on 31JUL, so it's safe to say as long as you don't carry any passengers it's fine.
 
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Re: Is DL taking delivery of A350’s from NRT to avoid tariffs?

Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:24 pm

Growing up we had a "nearly finished basement". There was a rough cut hole in the ceiling over the basement bannister that enabled us to tighten the bannister on the main floor from underneath. That hole justified the fact that the basement wasn't finished saving a significant amount of taxes. We all do everything we can to avoid taxes and penalties where practicable. I've done it too, within the parameters of the law. If there is a way to reduce the acquisition cost, why wouldn't you exercise that option?
"This is the most important aviation development since Lindbergh's flight. In one fell swoop, we have shrunken the earth." - Juan Trippe
 
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Re: Is DL taking delivery of A350’s from NRT to avoid tariffs?

Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:55 am

777Mech wrote:
KLMatSJC wrote:
777Mech wrote:

If they need to repo, ATL-DTW, they can just ferry via YYZ. It's really not that big of a deal. They aren't getting burnt on tariff avoidance. If you'd read the thread, you'd know this already.

The A321 actually ferried ATL-DTW, so it might be allowed.


Good catch. I do see it ferried DTW-ATL back on 31JUL, so it's safe to say as long as you don't carry any passengers it's fine.

And it's easy enough to arrange a temporary import if you chat with a customs broker for the period the aircraft spends in the US before sending it back overseas.

Look up an ATA Carnet as an example of how to do this.

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