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OAG Changes 9/22/2020:PSP on everybody;AA Adds PHX-LAP/LTO;DL Exits ORH;UA Suspends HAV

Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:17 pm

FAQ

SOURCE: OAG

AS OF JULY 2018 THERE ARE CHANGES TO THE FORMAT OF THIS REPORT...SEE BELOW

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares departures for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...prior year departures are now shown in brackets e.g. [0].

THE SCHEDULES SHOWN HERE CHANGE AFTER YOU POST???
-To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often---Winston Churchill. This is data the carriers filed at the point in time it was captured. It's changed since then. You are just going to have to live with it.

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5[4] JAN 4>5[4]
XXX Departure IATA code, YYY Arrival IATA code, Month, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of last week, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of this week, in brackets is the number of Average Departures/Day over the month that were scheduled one year earlier. So, it means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. It also means that there were 4 roundtrips the prior year in each month. No other months were changed. I average two directions.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
NEW CHANGE-Sometimes airlines do not load their schedules for the entire 330 day standard sales window. Southwest and many LCCs load their schedules for as little as 5 months into the future. When these flight are extended into a new sales month, it becomes a "schedule change". Previously, I have manually deleted these in many cases and replaced them with a Year-Over-Year compare. Effective immediately, this will now change. When a flight is loaded from 0 departures X departures, where X was the same the prior year, the record will not be shown. For example, if Delta loaded ATL-EGE MAR 0>1(1), it would not be shown because this additional flight does not represent a real year-over-year addition. Similarly, if B6 extended their schedule a record like this ATL-BOS JUL 0>4(4) would not be shown. It will be shown if the flight frequency changed from the prior year. So B6 ATL-BOS JUL 0>3(4) would be shown. If a partial month was loaded in a core schedule that became a full schedule month, those changes may be shown under this logic. For example, WN BNA-SEA 0.3>2(2). Because only a fraction of the month was previously loaded for sale, these changes will not be filtered out. I may, however, manually remove them to declutter.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month. The following criteria are used to show a change: 1) The change must be at least 6 roundtrips per month with no exceptions, 2) changes of at least 6/week are always shown, 3) routes that are added or dropped are shown subject to the change minimum, and 4) in all other cases routes must change by 20% to be shown. For example, if a route changed from 21/week to 18/week it would not be shown because the change is -14.3%. This is done to filter minor changes that occur in large numbers.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. If the route has more than 2 daily flights, departures are rounded, but in cases of less than 2 departures per day a fraction is shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
Seats are not shown. That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard or overlapping schedule periods that see the same flight number in two places at once. These cause flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

2E HOM-KEB OCT 0.5>0[0.5] DEC 0.5>0[0.4] JAN 0.5>0[0.5] MAR 0.5>0[0.5] MAY 0.5>0[0.5]
2E HOM-SOV OCT 0.5>0[0.5] DEC 0.5>0[0.5] JAN 0.5>0[0.5] MAR 0.5>0[0.5] MAY 0.5>0[0.5]
2E KEB-PGM OCT 0.5>0[0.5] DEC 0.5>0[0.4] JAN 0.5>0[0.5] MAR 0.5>0[0.5] MAY 0.5>0[0.5]
2E PGM-SOV OCT 0.5>0[0.5] DEC 0.5>0[0.4] JAN 0.5>0[0.5] MAR 0.5>0[0.5] MAY 0.5>0[0.5]

4B ABQ-CNM NOV 0.7>0[2]
4B ATL-MSL NOV 1.1>0[4]
4B BNA-MSL NOV 1.1>0[0] DEC 0.4>0[0]
4B CDR-DEN OCT 1.7>1.0[0.7]
4B CEZ-DEN OCT 3>1.8[0.7] JAN 1.8>1.4[3]
4B DEN-MCK OCT 1.7>1.0[0.8]
4B IAH-VCT OCT 0.8>0[0]
4B IWD-MSP NOV 0.7>0[0]
4B IWD-ORD NOV 1.2>0.4[0] JAN 0.8>0.4[0]
*4B LAX-PSP OCT 1.0>0[0] DEC 0>0.8[0] JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.0[0]
4B PDT-PDX NOV 2>0.9[4]
*4B PHX-PSP OCT 1.0>0[0] DEC 0>0.8[0] JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.0[0]
4B PHX-SOW OCT 2>1.7[0.3] JAN 0>2[3]

8E OME-UNK APR 0.9>0[1.0] MAY 0.8>0[0.9] JUN 0.9>0[0.4]
8E OME-WBB APR 0.9>0[1.0] MAY 0.8>0[0.9] JUN 0.9>0[0]
8E SMK-UNK APR 1.3>0.4[1.4] MAY 1.3>0.4[1.3] JUN 1.3>0.4[0.4]
8E SMK-WBB APR 1.3>0.4[1.4] MAY 1.3>0.4[1.3] JUN 1.3>0.4[0.4]

8V AET-BTT FEB 0.2>0[0.5]
8V AET-FAI FEB 0.4>0[0.5]
8V AET-HUS FEB 0.2>0[0.2]
8V BTT-FAI FEB 0.2>0[0.5]
8V FAI-HSL FEB 0.4>0[0.6]
8V FAI-HUS FEB 0.2>0[0.4]
8V FAI-RBY FEB 0.4>0[0.9]
8V FAI-TAL FEB 0.9>0[1.9]
8V GAL-HSL FEB 0.4>0[0.5]
8V GAL-RBY FEB 0.4>0[0.6]

9K ACK-BOS JUN 9>5[10]
9K ACK-HYA JUN 9>8[7]
9K ACK-JFK JUN 1.0>0[0.6]
9K AUG-BOS JUN 4>1.0[3]
9K BHB-BOS JUN 0.8>0[3]
9K BIL-GDV OCT 2>0[1.9]
9K BIL-GGW OCT 2>0[1.9]
9K BIL-HVR OCT 2>0[1.9]
9K BIL-OLF OCT 2>0[1.9]
9K BIL-SDY OCT 5>0[5]
9K BOS-LEB FEB 3>1.8[4] APR 2>1.3[4] JUN 2>0[5]
9K BOS-MVY JUN 10>7[6]
9K BOS-PWM JUN 4>0[0.4]
9K BOS-RKD JUN 4>1.5[3]
9K BOS-SLK JUN 3>1.0[3]
9K HPN-LEB DEC 1.2>0.9[1.9] FEB 0.9>0.5[2] MAR 1.5>0.9[1.9] APR 0.8>0.5[2]
9K JFK-MVY JUN 1.0>0[0.6]

9X AOO-PIT OCT 1.5>0.4[0.3] DEC 1.5>0.4[3]
9X BNA-MEM OCT 1.7>0[1.7] NOV 1.8>0[3] DEC 1.8>0[2]
9X BWI-LNS OCT 0.9>0[0]
9X BWI-MGW OCT 0.9>0[0]
9X DUJ-PIT DEC 1.4>0[3]
9X IPL-LAX JAN 0>3[0] FEB 0>3[4]
9X LNS-PIT OCT 1.1>0[0]
9X MGW-PIT OCT 1.9>0.3[0.3]
9X PBI-TPA NOV 1.7>0[3] DEC 1.8>0[2] FEB 0>1.7[3]

AA ABQ-DFW OCT 4>3[7]
AA ALB-ORD OCT 1.2>0.9[2]
AA AUS-DFW OCT 6>5[10]
AA AZO-ORD OCT 0.4>0.1[2]
AA BHM-DFW OCT 3>2[6]
AA BNA-DCA OCT 0.7>0.3[4]
**AA BZN-CLT DEC 0>0.5[0] JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>1.0[0]
AA CAE-DFW OCT 1.0>0.5[3]
AA CLT-ELH NOV 0>0.2[0] DEC 0.3>0.5[0.1] JAN 0.1>0.6[0.3] FEB 0.2>0.8[0.2] MAR 0.2>1.0[0.2]
AA CLT-FLO OCT 1.9>0.4[3]
AA CLT-GCM OCT 0.8>0[1.0]
AA CLT-GGT DEC 0.1>0.5[0.2] JAN 0.2>0.5[0.1] FEB 0.2>0.8[0.1] MAR 0.2>1.0[0.2]
AA CLT-HTS OCT 1.9>0.3[3]
AA CLT-HVN OCT 1.0>0.2[1.7]
AA CLT-IPT OCT 1.4>0.2[1.6]
AA CLT-PGV OCT 2.0>0.4[3]
AA CLT-PLS NOV 0.5>0.8[0.1] DEC 1.1>1.5[0.5]
AA CLT-SEA OCT 3>1.8[4]
AA CMH-ORD OCT 0.8>0.6[7]
AA CRP-DFW FEB 7>6[7]
AA CUN-ORD NOV 1.1>2[1.0] DEC 2.0>3[1.1]
AA CUN-PHL NOV 1.3>2[1.1] DEC 1.5>2[1.1]
AA CZM-DFW NOV 1.0>1.3[0.8] DEC 1.1>1.6[0.9]
AA DBQ-ORD OCT 0.7>0.1[3]
AA DFW-DRT OCT 1.8>0.4[1.7]
AA DFW-GCM OCT 0.3>0[0.3]
AA DFW-GPT OCT 1.6>1.1[0.9] NOV 1.3>0.6[3] DEC 1.0>0.4[2] FEB 1.6>0.4[3]
AA DFW-GUA NOV 1.4>1.9[1.2] JAN 1.2>2[1.5] FEB 1.6>2[1.2]
AA DFW-HOU NOV 7>6[8] FEB 8>6[8]
AA DFW-HSV OCT 1.9>1.4[6]
AA DFW-ICT OCT 2>1.9[5]
AA DFW-LCH OCT 2>0.4[3]
AA DFW-LIM OCT 0.3>0[1.0] NOV 1.0>0[1.0] DEC 1.0>0.5[0.9]
AA DFW-MAF NOV 6>5[8] FEB 6>5[7]
AA DFW-MEX OCT 2>1.5[5]
AA DFW-MFE NOV 6>5[8] FEB 7>6[7]
AA DFW-MTY OCT 1.9>1.3[4]
AA DFW-ORF OCT 1.4>1.1[3]
AA DFW-PLS NOV 0.1>0.4[0] DEC 0.1>0.6[0]
**AA DFW-SAL NOV 0>0.9[0] DEC 0>1.0[0] JAN 0>1.0[0.4] FEB 0>1.0[0.7] MAR 0>1.0[0.5] APR 0>1.0[0.6] MAY 0>1.0[0]
AA DFW-SAT OCT 6>5[10]
AA DFW-SEA OCT 8>6[9]
AA DFW-SJO NOV 1.4>1.9[1.0] DEC 1.5>2[1.0] JAN 1.2>2[1.4] FEB 1.0>2[1.2] MAY 1.2>2[0]
AA DFW-SPI OCT 1.5>0.4[1.8]
AA ELP-ORD OCT 0.4>0.2[1.5]
*AA EZE-JFK OCT 0.3>0[1.0] NOV 1.0>0[1.0] DEC 1.0>0.5[1.0]
AA GCM-MIA OCT 0.6>0[1.8]
*AA GIG-MIA OCT 0.3>0[1.0] NOV 1.0>0[1.0] DEC 1.0>0.5[0.9]
*AA GRU-JFK OCT 0.3>0[1.0] NOV 1.0>0[1.0] DEC 1.0>0.5[1.0]
AA IND-ORD OCT 1.0>0.7[6]
**AA LAP-PHX DEC 0>0.2[0] JAN 0>0.5[0] FEB 0>0.4[0] MAR 0>0.4[0] JUN 0>0.4[0]
AA LAX-SEA OCT 3>0[3]
**AA LTO-PHX DEC 0>0.3[0] JAN 0>0.6[0] FEB 0>0.6[0] MAR 0>0.5[0] APR 0>0.5[0]
AA MAO-MIA NOV 0.7>0[0.7] DEC 0.8>0.5[0.7]
AA MBJ-MIA OCT 1.6>0.9[2]
AA MCI-ORD OCT 1.1>0.8[6]
AA MCI-PHL OCT 0.5>0.3[3]
AA MIA-POS OCT 0.5>0[1.8]
AA MIA-SAP NOV 0.9>1.7[1.0] DEC 1.4>1.9[1.0] FEB 1.3>1.9[2] MAR 1.0>1.9[1.3] APR 1.0>2[1.0] MAY 1.0>2[0]
AA MIA-SEA OCT 0.8>0[1.0]
AA MIA-SKB OCT 0.6>0[1.3]
AA MIA-TGU NOV 0.9>1.8[1.0] DEC 1.5>2.0[1.0] JAN 1.1>2.0[1.4] FEB 1.0>2[1.3] MAR 0.9>1.9[1.0] APR 1.0>2[1.0]
AA OMA-ORD OCT 0.8>0.6[5]
AA ORD-ORF OCT 1.1>0.8[3]
AA ORD-PUJ NOV 0.1>0.5[0]
AA ORD-SEA OCT 5>2[6]
AA ORD-STT DEC 0.1>0.5[0]
AA PHL-SEA OCT 3>0.7[3]
AA PHL-SWF OCT 1.1>0[2]
AA PHX-SEA OCT 4>1.9[4]

AC ATL-YYZ OCT 5>0[4]
AC AUS-YYZ OCT 1.6>0[1.0]
AC BNA-YYZ OCT 1.9>0[1.9]
AC BOS-YHZ OCT 2.0>0[1.8]
AC BOS-YOW OCT 2.0>0[1.8]
AC BOS-YUL OCT 5>0.9[4]
AC BOS-YYZ OCT 7>1.0[8]
AC BWI-YUL OCT 0.2>0[1.0]
AC BWI-YYZ OCT 3>0[3]
AC CLE-YYZ OCT 3>0[3]
AC CLT-YYZ OCT 1.9>0[1.9]
AC CMH-YYZ OCT 4>0[4]
AC CVG-YYZ OCT 3>0[3]
AC DCA-YOW OCT 1.8>0[1.6]
AC DCA-YUL OCT 2>0[1.9]
AC DCA-YYZ OCT 4>1.0[4]
AC DEN-YUL OCT 0.9>0[1.0]
AC DEN-YVR OCT 1.6>0[1.0]
AC DEN-YYZ OCT 1.9>0[1.9]
AC DFW-YUL OCT 1.0>0[1.0]
AC DFW-YVR OCT 1.0>0[1.0]
AC DFW-YYZ OCT 4>0[3]
AC DTW-YYZ OCT 3>0[3]
AC EWR-YOW OCT 3>0[2]
AC EWR-YUL OCT 4>2[4]
AC EWR-YVR OCT 1.0>0[1.0]
AC EWR-YYC OCT 1.0>0[1.0]
AC EWR-YYZ OCT 7>3[6]
AC FLL-YUL OCT 2>0.5[3]
AC FLL-YYZ OCT 1.7>0.5[1.9]
AC HNL-YVR OCT 1.1>0[1.5]
AC IAD-YUL OCT 1.0>0[1.0]
AC IAD-YYZ OCT 2>0.9[1.9]
AC IAH-YUL OCT 2>0[1.9]
AC IAH-YYC OCT 2>0[1.9]
AC IAH-YYZ OCT 3>0.9[3]
AC LAS-YUL OCT 2.0>0[1.9]
AC LAS-YVR OCT 2>0.2[1.9]
AC LAS-YYC OCT 1.0>0[1.0]
AC LAS-YYZ OCT 3>0[3]
AC LAX-YUL OCT 3>0[1.9]
AC LAX-YVR OCT 5>0.8[4]
AC LAX-YYC OCT 2>0[1.9]
AC LAX-YYZ OCT 5>0.4[4]
AC LGA-YUL OCT 8>1.0[8]
AC LGA-YYZ OCT 12>1.9[11]
AC MCI-YYZ OCT 1.0>0[1.0]
AC MCO-YOW OCT 0.2>0[1.0]
AC MCO-YUL OCT 1.9>0.5[1.9]
AC MCO-YYZ OCT 3>0.4[3]
AC MEM-YYZ OCT 1.0>0[1.0]
AC MIA-YUL OCT 0.8>0[1.0]
AC MIA-YYZ OCT 1.5>0[1.9]
AC MKE-YYZ OCT 1.8>0[1.6]
AC MSP-YYZ OCT 3>0[3]
AC MSY-YYZ OCT 1.0>0[1.0]
AC OGG-YVR OCT 1.1>0[1.4]
AC ORD-YUL OCT 5>0.7[4]
AC ORD-YVR OCT 1.8>0[1.0]
AC ORD-YYZ OCT 8>2[8]
AC PBI-YYZ OCT 0.2>0[1.0]
AC PDX-YVR OCT 3>0.6[4]
AC PDX-YYC OCT 1.0>0[0.8]
AC PHL-YUL OCT 3>0[1.9]
AC PHL-YYZ OCT 5>0[4]
AC PHX-YUL OCT 0.5>0[0.8]
AC PHX-YVR OCT 1.0>0.2[1.0]
AC PHX-YYC OCT 1.0>0[1.0]
AC PHX-YYZ OCT 1.2>0[1.9]
AC PIT-YUL OCT 1.0>0[1.0]
AC PIT-YYZ OCT 4>0[3]
AC PSP-YVR OCT 0.2>0[1.0]
AC RDU-YUL OCT 1.0>0[1.0]
AC RDU-YYZ OCT 3>0[3]
AC RSW-YUL OCT 0.2>0[1.0]
AC RSW-YYZ OCT 0.9>0.0[1.9]
AC SAN-YVR OCT 3>0[1.9]
AC SAN-YYZ OCT 1.0>0[1.0]
AC SEA-YVR OCT 5>1.0[6]
AC SEA-YYZ OCT 1.3>0[1.0]
AC SFO-YEG OCT 1.0>0[1.0]
AC SFO-YUL OCT 2>0[1.8]
AC SFO-YVR OCT 4>1.0[5]
AC SFO-YYC OCT 2>0[1.9]
AC SFO-YYZ OCT 5>0[3]
AC SJC-YVR OCT 3>0[1.9]
AC SMF-YVR OCT 1.0>0[1.0]
AC STL-YYZ OCT 2>0[3]
AC TPA-YYZ OCT 1.5>0.2[1.9]

AD BEL-FLL DEC 0.4>0[0.4] JAN 0.6>0[0.6] FEB 0.6>0[0.6] MAR 0.6>0[0.5] APR 0.6>0[0] MAY 0.6>0[0] JUN 0.6>0[0]

AF CDG-SFO OCT 0.8>0.6[1.0]

AS AUS-PDX OCT 0.8>0[0.9]
AS BOI-LAX JAN 2>3[0] FEB 2>3[0] MAR 2>3[0] APR 2>3[0.9] MAY 2>3[1.9] JUN 2>3[1.0]
**AS BOI-PSP DEC 0>0.5[0] JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>1.0[0] APR 0>0.4[0]
**AS CUN-LAX DEC 0>0.5[0] JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>1.0[0] APR 0>0.4[0]
AS GDL-LAX DEC 1.0>1.5[1.0] JAN 1.0>2[1.0] FEB 1.0>2[1.1] MAR 1.0>1.5[0.9]
AS GEG-PDX OCT 4>3[5]
AS HNL-PDX OCT 0.9>0[1.0]
AS HNL-SAN OCT 0.9>0[1.0]
AS HNL-SJC OCT 0.4>0[0.6]
AS JFK-SFO OCT 0.9>0.7[2]
AS KOA-SAN OCT 0.5>0[0.7]
AS KOA-SEA OCT 1.7>1.0[2]
AS KOA-SJC OCT 0.4>0[0.6]
AS LAS-LAX NOV 0.7>0.5[4] MAR 1.9>1.5[3]
DL retaliation?
**AS LAX-RNO DEC 0>0.5[0] JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>1.0[0] APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0]
AS LAX-SLC DEC 0.5>1.0[1.0] JAN 1.0>2[1.0] FEB 1.0>1.9[1.1] MAR 1.0>1.4[1.3]
AS LAX-STS OCT 1.7>0.7[3]
AS LIH-SAN OCT 0.4>0[0.6]
AS LIH-SEA OCT 1.7>1.0[1.9]
AS LIH-SJC OCT 0.5>0[0.7]
AS MSO-PDX OCT 0.9>0[1.0]
AS OGG-PDX OCT 0.9>0[1.3]
AS OGG-SAN OCT 0.9>0[1.3]
AS OGG-SEA OCT 1.9>1.4[2]
AS OGG-SJC OCT 0.5>0[0.7]
**AS PSP-RNO DEC 0>0.4[0] JAN 0>0.7[0] FEB 0>0.7[0] MAR 0>0.7[0] APR 0>0.3[0]
**AS PSP-SJC DEC 0>1.0[0] JAN 0>2[0] FEB 0>2[0] MAR 0>2[0] APR 0>2[0] MAY 0>1.6[0] JUN 0>1.0[0]
AS SEA-SFO OCT 6>5[9]
AS SEA-YEG OCT 0.9>0[1.7]
AS SEA-YLW OCT 0.9>0[1.0]
AS SEA-YVR OCT 4>3[5]
AS SEA-YYC OCT 0.9>0[1.7]
AS SEA-YYJ OCT 0.9>0[2.0]
AS SFO-SLC NOV 1.3>1.0[1.0]

B5 MDR-WIL OCT 2>0[1.9] DEC 2>0[0] JAN 2>0[0] MAR 2>0[0] MAY 2>0[0]

B6 JFK-LAX OCT 5>4[10]

BA ATL-LHR OCT 0.6>0.9[0.5]
BA DEN-LHR OCT 0.6>0.2[0.9]
BA EWR-LHR OCT 1.0>0.2[1.0]
BA JFK-LHR OCT 4>3[6]
BA LAS-LHR OCT 1.0>0.2[1.0]
BA LAX-LHR OCT 1.9>1.1[1.4]
BA LHR-ORD OCT 1.2>1.8[1.9]
BA LHR-PHL OCT 1.0>0.5[1.0]
BA LHR-PHX OCT 0.5>0.2[0.7]
BA LHR-SEA OCT 1.0>0.5[1.0]

BR LAX-TPE OCT 1.1>0.6[3] NOV 3>0.6[3] DEC 3>0.5[3]
BR ORD-TPE NOV 0.7>0.4[0.7] DEC 0.7>0.4[0.7]
BR SEA-TPE OCT 0.7>0.5[1.6] NOV 1.7>0.4[1.5] DEC 1.7>0.5[1.4]
BR SFO-TPE OCT 1.0>0.5[3] NOV 3>0.4[3] DEC 3>0.4[3]

BW KIN-MIA OCT 1.0>0.1[0]

CX BOS-HKG OCT 0.2>0[1.0]
CX EWR-HKG NOV 1.0>0[0.9] DEC 1.0>0[0.7]
CX HKG-SEA NOV 0.7>0[0.8] DEC 0.7>0[0.6]
CX HKG-SFO OCT 1.3>0.7[3]

DL AGS-ATL DEC 8>7[7]
**DL AMS-MSP NOV 0>0.5[3] DEC 0>0.6[1.8] JAN 0>0.6[2.0] FEB 0>0.6[1.9] MAR 0.3>0.8[1.7]
**DL ATL-BOI NOV 0>0.4[0] DEC 0>1.0[0] JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>1.0[0] APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0]
DL ATL-BZE DEC 0.8>1.0[0.9]
DL ATL-CAE DEC 8>7[7]
DL ATL-CHA MAR 8>7[9]
DL ATL-CUN APR 5>6[6] MAY 5>6[3] JUN 5>6[2]
DL ATL-DSS OCT 0>1.0[0]
DL ATL-ELH JAN 0.6>0.8[0.4] FEB 0.6>1.0[0.6] MAR 0>0.9[0.5] APR 0.1>1.0[1.1] MAY 0.2>1.0[1.1] JUN 0.1>1.0[0]
*DL ATL-EZE OCT 0.5>0[0.6] NOV 0.6>0[0.9] DEC 1.0>0.5[0.8]
DL ATL-GDL DEC 0.8>0.6[0.9]
**DL ATL-GEG NOV 0>0.4[0] DEC 0>1.0[0] JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>1.0[0] APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0]
DL ATL-GGT JAN 0.7>0.9[1.0] FEB 0.6>1.0[1.1]
DL ATL-HPN NOV 5>0[6] DEC 6>0[6]
DL ATL-LIR OCT 0.5>0[0.9]
DL ATL-LOS OCT 0.6>0[0.5] NOV 0.6>1.0[0.6]
DL ATL-MEX JAN 5>6[5] FEB 5>6[5] MAR 5>6[5] APR 5>6[5] MAY 5>6[3] JUN 5>6[2]
DL ATL-MTY DEC 0.5>0.8[1.7]
DL ATL-NAS NOV 1.7>1.3[4]
DL ATL-PTY OCT 0.3>0[0.8]
DL ATL-PVR DEC 0.4>0.8[0.3] JAN 0.7>1.0[0.6] FEB 0.7>1.0[0.9]
DL ATL-RNO NOV 0>0.4[0] DEC 0.4>1.0[0]
DL ATL-SJO OCT 0.5>0[1.2]
DL ATL-STT DEC 2.1>3.0[0.9] JAN 2.2>3.0[1.4] FEB 2.1>3.0[1.9] MAR 2.1>3.0[1.6] APR 2.0>3.0[1.9] JUN 2.0>3.0[1.0]
*DL ATL-STX JAN 0.2>1.0[0.4] FEB 0.1>1.0[0.4] MAR 0.1>1.0[0.3]
DL ATL-TYS DEC 8>7[8]
DL ATL-UIO OCT 0.4>0[0.4] NOV 0.4>0[1.0] DEC 1.0>0.5[1.0]
Hasn't this gone in and out 2x?
**DL BMI-DTW OCT 0>0.5[0] NOV 0>0.7[0] DEC 0>0.7[0] JAN 0>0.7[0] FEB 0>0.7[0] MAR 0>0.7[0] APR 0>0.7[0] MAY 0>0.7[0] JUN 0>0.7[0]
DL BOS-CUN NOV 0>0.4[0] DEC 0.4>1.0[0.1]
DL BOS-DCA MAR 5>4[5]
DL BOS-MBJ DEC 0.4>0.2[0] JAN 0.2>0.4[0.3] FEB 0.1>0.4[0.2] MAR 0.1>0.4[0.2] APR 0.1>0.4[0.1]
DL BOS-STT JAN 0.2>0.6[0] FEB 0.1>0.6[0] MAR 0.1>0.6[0] APR 0.1>0.6[0]
DL BRU-JFK OCT 0.6>0[0.5] NOV 0.6>0.4[1.0]
DL CDG-SEA OCT 0.6>0[0.5] NOV 0.6>0.4[1.0]
DL CPR-SLC NOV 1.9>2[2]
DL CUN-DTW JAN 2>3[3] FEB 2>3[3] MAR 2>3[2]
DL CUN-LAX APR 1.0>2[1.1] MAY 1.0>2[1.1] JUN 1.0>2[0]
DL CUN-MSP APR 3>2[4]
DL CUN-SEA JAN 0.5>0.9[0.3] FEB 0.6>1.0[0.6] MAR 0.6>1.0[0.5] APR 0.6>0[0.6] MAY 0.6>0[0.3] JUN 0.6>0[0]
DL DTW-FWA NOV 1.7>3[3]
DL DTW-HPN DEC 1.2>0[3]
DL DTW-MQT NOV 1.0>1.4[1.9]
**DL DTW-MYR NOV 0>0.8[0.9] DEC 0>1.0[0] JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>0.9[0.5] APR 0>1.0[1.1] JUN 0>1.0[0]
Station closure
**DL DTW-ORH OCT 1.0>0[0.9] NOV 0.9>0[1.0] DEC 0.8>0[0.9] JAN 0.8>0[0.9] FEB 0.9>0[0.9] MAR 0.9>0[0.7] APR 0.9>0[0.9] MAY 0.8>0[0.8] JUN 0.9>0[0.9]
DL DTW-SJD JAN 0.5>1.0[0.3] FEB 0.4>1.0[0.5] APR 0.4>1.0[0.9]
**DL FAT-LAX NOV 0>0.4[0] DEC 0>1.0[0] JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>1.0[0] APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0]
DL FRA-JFK OCT 0.6>0.2[0.5]
*DL GCM-JFK JAN 0.2>1.0[0] FEB 0.1>1.0[0] MAR 0.1>1.0[0]
DL JFK-LOS MAY 0.6>1.0[0.4] JUN 0.5>1.0[0]
DL JFK-SDQ DEC 2>3[3]
**DL JFK-SJD DEC 0>0.4[0] JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>1.0[0]
DL JFK-STI DEC 2>3[3]
DL JFK-ZRH OCT 0.6>0[0.5] NOV 0.6>0.4[1.0]
DL LAS-LAX DEC 6>5[6]
Stealing business from taxis?
**DL LAX-PSP NOV 0>0.4[0] DEC 0>1.0[0] JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>1.0[0] APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0]
DL LAX-PVR JAN 1.1>2.0[1.3] FEB 1.0>2[1.2] MAR 1.0>2[0.9] APR 1.0>2[1.0]
*DL LAX-RNO NOV 0>0.4[0] DEC 0.8>1.4[0]
DL LAX-SAN MAR 4>2[5]
DL LAX-SJC DEC 5>4[6] MAR 6>5[5]
DL LAX-SJD NOV 1.6>2[1.0]
DL LGA-SRQ NOV 0>0.8[1.0] DEC 0.5>1.0[0.9] MAY 1.0>0[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[0]
DL LWS-SLC NOV 1.9>2[3]
DL MEX-MSP JUN 0>1.0[0]
DL SEA-SJD JAN 0.5>1.0[0.4] FEB 0.4>1.0[1.1] MAR 0.4>1.0[0.9]
DL SEA-YVR OCT 0.9>0.7[4]
DL SJD-SLC DEC 1.0>1.4[0.5] JAN 1.0>2[0.6] FEB 1.0>2[1.1] MAR 1.0>2[0.9]

EI BNA-ORD APR 0.5>0.3[0.1]

EK ATH-EWR DEC 1.0>0.5[1.0] JAN 1.0>0.6[1.0] FEB 1.0>0.6[1.1] MAR 1.0>0.6[0.9]
EK DXB-IAH DEC 0.7>0.4[1.0] JAN 0.7>0.4[1.0] FEB 0.7>0.4[1.1] MAR 0.7>0.5[0.9]
EK DXB-LAX JAN 0.7>0.5[1.0]
EK DXB-SEA NOV 0.4>0[1.0] DEC 0.8>0.5[1.0] JAN 0.9>0.4[1.0] FEB 0.9>0.4[1.1] MAR 0.9>0.5[0.9]

ET ABJ-JFK OCT 0.3>0.1[0.4]

G4 ABQ-AUS NOV 0.3>0.1[0.3]
G4 AUS-DSM NOV 0.3>0[0]
G4 AUS-LAS NOV 0.3>0[0.6]
G4 AVL-PIE NOV 1.3>0.9[1.7]
G4 AVL-SFB OCT 0.9>0.6[1.2] NOV 1.2>0.9[1.7]
G4 BIL-LAS DEC 0.7>0.5[0.4]
G4 BIS-LAS NOV 0.5>0.3[0.3] DEC 0.6>0.5[0.3]
G4 BLI-LAS OCT 0.9>0.6[1.4] NOV 1.4>0.6[2] DEC 1.1>0.8[1.9]
G4 BLI-LAX NOV 0.3>0[0.3] DEC 0.4>0.1[0.3]
G4 BLI-OAK NOV 0.3>0.0[0.4] DEC 0.4>0.2[0.4]
G4 BLI-PSP OCT 0.5>0.2[0.5] NOV 0.5>0.3[0.6] DEC 0.5>0.3[0.5]
G4 BLV-VPS DEC 0.4>0.2[0.8]
G4 BMI-SFB DEC 0.4>0.2[0.3]
G4 BNA-PIT NOV 0.3>0[0]
G4 BOI-LAX DEC 0.4>0.2[0.3]
G4 BWI-SAV DEC 0.4>0.2[0.4]
G4 BZN-LAS NOV 0.3>0.1[0.3]
G4 CHA-SFB OCT 0.3>0.1[0.3]
G4 CHS-PIT OCT 0.3>0.0[0.3] NOV 0.3>0.1[0.3] DEC 0.3>0.1[0.3]
G4 CKB-SFB DEC 0.4>0.2[0.3]
G4 CLE-SAV NOV 0.3>0.1[0.4]
G4 CVG-PIE NOV 1.0>0.7[1.2]
G4 CVG-VPS NOV 0.8>0.5[1.0]
G4 DSM-LAS OCT 0.3>0.0[0.5] NOV 0.5>0.3[0.6]
G4 ELP-LAS NOV 0.3>0.1[0.3]
G4 EUG-LAS NOV 0.3>0.1[0.3]
G4 EUG-LAX DEC 0.5>0.3[0.4]
G4 EUG-OAK DEC 0.4>0.1[0.5]
G4 EUG-PSP DEC 0.4>0.2[0]
G4 FAT-LAS OCT 0.9>0.6[1.3] NOV 1.3>0.4[1.8] DEC 1.1>0.6[1.6] JAN 1.0>0.6[1.7]
G4 FCA-LAS NOV 0.3>0.1[0.3]
G4 FSD-LAS NOV 0.4>0.1[0.3] DEC 0.6>0.4[0.4]
G4 GJT-LAS NOV 0.3>0.1[0.3]
G4 GSO-SFB NOV 0.3>0.1[0.3]
G4 HGR-SFB DEC 0.5>0.2[0.4]
G4 IAG-SFB DEC 0.4>0.2[0.3]
G4 LAS-MEM NOV 0.6>0.4[0.6] DEC 0.5>0.2[0.5]
G4 LAS-MFE NOV 0.7>0.5[1.0] DEC 0.7>0.5[1.0]
G4 LAS-MFR NOV 0.5>0.3[0.3] DEC 0.4>0.2[0.3]
G4 LAS-MOT NOV 0.5>0.2[0.5] DEC 0.5>0.3[0.5] JAN 0.3>0.1[0.6]
G4 LAS-OAK OCT 0.5>0.2[0.6] NOV 0.6>0.2[0.8] DEC 0.5>0.1[0.9] JAN 0.4>0.1[0.9]
G4 LAS-RDM NOV 0.3>0.1[0.3]
G4 LAS-RNO NOV 1.1>0.4[1.0] DEC 0.9>0.4[1.0] JAN 1.0>0.5[1.0]
G4 LAS-SCK NOV 1.4>0.6[1.8] DEC 1.1>0.4[1.6] JAN 1.0>0.5[1.9]
G4 LAS-SMX NOV 0.5>0.2[0.6] DEC 0.4>0.2[0.6] JAN 0.4>0.1[0.5]
G4 LAX-MFR DEC 0.4>0.2[0.4]
G4 LAX-TUL NOV 0.3>0[0.3]
G4 LCK-SAV NOV 0.3>0.1[0.3]
G4 LCK-SFB DEC 0.4>0.2[0.4]
G4 LCK-VPS DEC 0.3>0.1[0]
G4 LEX-SFB OCT 0.7>0.5[0.5]
G4 MDT-SFB DEC 0.6>0.4[0.8]
G4 PBI-PIT DEC 0.3>0.1[0.2]
G4 PGD-PIT DEC 0.4>0.1[0.4]
G4 PIE-PIT DEC 0.3>0.1[0.3]
G4 PIE-RFD NOV 0.4>0.2[0.4]
G4 PIE-RIC NOV 0.3>0.0[0.3]
G4 PIE-USA NOV 0.7>0.5[1.3] DEC 0.7>0.5[1.0]
G4 PIT-SAV NOV 0.3>0.1[0.3]
G4 PIT-SFB DEC 0.3>0.1[0.3]
G4 PIT-SRQ OCT 0.3>0.1[0.3] DEC 0.3>0.1[0.3]
G4 RFD-SFB DEC 0.4>0.2[0.4]
G4 SDF-VPS OCT 0.5>0.2[0.3]
G4 SFB-TRI OCT 0.4>0.1[0.3]
G4 SFB-TYS NOV 1.3>0.8[1.8]
G4 SFB-USA NOV 0.5>0.3[0.7] DEC 0.5>0.3[0.7]

GV AKN-KLL OCT 1.6>0.7[1.5] NOV 1.2>0.3[0.5] DEC 1.6>0.7[0.4] JAN 1.5>0.3[0.4] MAR 1.6>1.2[1.6] APR 1.6>0.3[1.7] MAY 1.5>0.3[1.7] JUN 1.6>0.3[1.6]
GV AKN-WSN JAN 1.1>0.3[1.7] MAR 1.1>0.3[0.4] APR 1.2>0.3[0.4] MAY 1.1>0.3[0.4] JUN 1.2>0.3[0.8]
GV AUK-KOT JAN 1.9>1.5[1.9] APR 1.9>1.5[1.9] MAY 1.9>1.5[1.8] JUN 1.9>1.5[1.4]
GV BET-EMK JAN 0.4>0[0.4] APR 0.4>0[0.4] MAY 0.4>0[0.4] JUN 0.4>0[0.2]
GV BET-KOT JAN 1.9>1.5[1.9] APR 1.9>1.5[1.9] MAY 1.9>1.5[1.8] JUN 1.9>1.5[1.2]
GV BET-MYU OCT 0.2>0[0.2] NOV 0.2>0[0] DEC 0.2>0[0] JAN 0.2>0[0] APR 0.2>0[0] MAY 0.2>0[0] JUN 0.2>0[0.2]
GV CDB-KVC JAN 0.8>0[1.7] APR 0.9>0[1.7] MAY 0.8>0[1.7] JUN 0.9>0[1.7]
GV DLG-KLL OCT 0.8>0[0.8] NOV 0.9>0[0] DEC 0.8>0[0] JAN 0.8>0[0] APR 0.9>0[0.9] MAY 0.8>0[0.8] JUN 0.9>0[0.9]
GV DLG-WSN JAN 0.8>0[1.7] MAR 0.8>0[0] APR 0.9>0[0] MAY 0.8>0[0] JUN 0.9>0[0.5]
GV MYU-OOK OCT 0.2>0[0.2] NOV 0.2>0[0] DEC 0.2>0[0] JAN 0.2>0[0] APR 0.2>0[0] MAY 0.2>0[0] JUN 0.2>0[0.2]

HA BOS-HNL OCT 0.7>0.4[0.7]
HA CTS-HNL OCT 0.5>0[0.4]
HA FUK-HNL OCT 0.6>0[0.5]
HA HND-HNL OCT 3>0[2]
HA HND-KOA OCT 0.4>0[0.4]
HA HNL-ICN OCT 0.7>0[0.7]
HA HNL-ITO OCT 13>11[12]
HA HNL-JFK OCT 1.0>0.6[1.0]
HA HNL-KIX OCT 1.0>0[1.0]
HA HNL-KOA OCT 19>14[18]
HA HNL-LAS OCT 3>1.6[2]
HA HNL-LAX OCT 3>2[3]
HA HNL-LGB OCT 1.0>0.6[1.0]
HA HNL-LIH OCT 18>14[18]
HA HNL-NRT OCT 1.0>0.2[1.0]
HA HNL-OAK OCT 1.0>0.6[1.0]
HA HNL-OGG OCT 25>20[24]
HA HNL-PHX OCT 1.0>0.6[1.0]
HA HNL-SJC OCT 1.0>0.6[1.0]
HA HNL-SMF OCT 1.0>0.7[1.0]
HA ITO-OGG OCT 2>1.5[1.9]
HA KOA-LAX OCT 1.0>0.6[1.0]
HA KOA-LIH OCT 1.0>0.5[1.0]
HA KOA-OGG OCT 3>2[3]
HA LAX-LIH OCT 1.0>0.6[1.0]
HA LAX-OGG OCT 1.0>0.6[1.0]
HA LIH-OAK OCT 1.0>0.6[1.0]
HA LIH-OGG OCT 4>3[4]
HA OAK-OGG OCT 1.0>0.6[1.0]
HA OGG-PDX OCT 1.0>0.6[1.0]
HA OGG-SAN OCT 1.0>0.6[1.0]
HA OGG-SEA OCT 1.0>0.6[1.0]
HA OGG-SFO OCT 1.0>0.6[1.0]
HA OGG-SJC OCT 1.0>0.6[1.0]
HA OGG-SMF OCT 1.0>0.6[1.0]

HI GCN-GCW OCT 0.7>0[0.7]

HU BOS-PEK OCT 0.8>0[0]
HU BOS-PVG OCT 0.5>0[0]
HU CSX-LAX OCT 0.2>0[0]
HU CTU-JFK OCT 0.3>0[0]
HU CTU-LAX OCT 0.3>0[0]
HU CTU-ORD OCT 0.2>0[0]
HU LAX-XIY OCT 0.2>0[0]
HU PEK-SEA OCT 0.8>0[0]
HU PVG-SEA OCT 0.3>0[0]

KE HNL-NRT OCT 0.2>0[1.0] NOV 1.0>0.0[1.0]

LH MUC-ORD OCT 1.0>0.8[0.9]
LH MUC-SFO OCT 0.6>0.3[0.9]

LY EWR-TLV OCT 1.5>0.4[1.5]
LY JFK-TLV OCT 3>0.7[1.5]
LY LAX-TLV OCT 0.7>0.1[0.4]
LY MIA-TLV OCT 0.5>0.1[0.6]

NK FLL-PTY OCT 1.0>0.6[1.0]
NK FLL-SJO OCT 0.9>0.7[1.8]

PR HNL-MNL NOV 0.7>0.4[0.6]

What is this?
**PS JFK-KEF DEC 0>0.2[0] JAN 0>0.3[0] FEB 0>0.3[0] MAR 0>0.2[0]

QR BOS-DOH OCT 1.0>0.7[1.0]

RJ AMM-ORD OCT 0.8>0.1[0.7]
RJ DTW-YUL OCT 0.3>0[0.3]

SN BRU-JFK OCT 0.5>0.2[1.0]

*SU JFK-SVO OCT 0.6>0.2[1.9] NOV 2>0[3] DEC 2>0[1.9] JAN 2>0[2] FEB 2>0[2] MAR 2>0.4[1.9]
*SU LAX-SVO OCT 0.4>0.1[1.0] NOV 1.0>0[1.0] DEC 1.0>0[1.0] JAN 1.0>0[1.0] FEB 1.0>0[1.1] MAR 1.0>0.1[0.9]
*SU MIA-SVO NOV 0.4>0[0.6] DEC 0.4>0[0.6] JAN 0.5>0[0.7] FEB 0.4>0[0.8] MAR 0.4>0.1[0.7]

UA ACV-SFO OCT 1.6>1.2[3]
UA DEN-SAN OCT 3>2.0[5]
UA DEN-SEA OCT 4>3[6]
UA EUG-SFO OCT 3>2.0[3]
**UA EWR-HAV NOV 1.0>0[1.0] DEC 1.0>0[1.0] JAN 1.0>0[1.0] FEB 1.0>0[1.1] MAR 1.0>0.1[0.9]
**UA HAV-IAH NOV 1.0>0[1.0] DEC 1.0>0[1.0] JAN 1.0>0[1.0] FEB 1.0>0[1.1] MAR 1.0>0.1[0.9]
UA IAH-POS OCT 0.5>0.3[1.0]
UA LAX-RDM OCT 0.7>0[1.0]
UA LGA-PBI DEC 0>0.4[0]
UA MFR-SFO OCT 2>1.9[4]
UA PDX-SFO OCT 4>3[7]
UA SEA-SFO OCT 5>4[6]

UP FLL-NAS OCT 1.1>0[2]
UP MCO-NAS OCT 0.5>0[0.6]
UP MIA-NAS OCT 1.1>0[2]

UX JFK-MAD OCT 0.3>0.1[0.7] NOV 0.7>0[0.7] DEC 0.8>0.5[0.7]
UX MAD-MIA OCT 0.4>0.1[1.0] NOV 1.0>0[1.0] DEC 1.0>0.6[1.0]

VB GDL-IAH OCT 0.3>0[0.3] NOV 0.3>0[0]
VB GDL-LAX OCT 1.7>1.0[1.6]
VB IAH-MEX OCT 0.3>0.6[0.3]
VB IAH-MTY OCT 1.0>1.3[1.0]
VB JFK-MEX OCT 1.0>0.4[1.0]
VB LAS-MEX OCT 1.0>0.3[1.0]
VB MTY-SAT OCT 0.3>0.6[0.3]

WG MCO-YYZ DEC 0.1>0.3[0.5]

WN DAL-SLC OCT 1.0>1.3[1.0]
WN DAL-SMF OCT 1.0>1.3[1.1]
WN HAV-TPA OCT 0.8>0[1.1]
WN HNL-SAN OCT 1.0>0[1.0]
WN HNL-SJC OCT 1.0>0[1.8]
WN HNL-SMF OCT 1.0>0[1.0]
WN KOA-OAK OCT 0.5>0[0.9]
WN KOA-SJC OCT 0.5>0[0.9]
WN LIH-OAK OCT 0.5>0[0.9]
WN LIH-SJC OCT 0.5>0[0.9]
WN OAK-OGG OCT 2>0[1.9]
WN OGG-SJC OCT 1.0>0[1.8]
WN OGG-SMF OCT 1.0>0[1.0]
WN STL-TPA OCT 1.1>1.4[3]

WO LAS-YEG NOV 0.3>0[1.0]
WO LAS-YYZ NOV 0.3>0[0]

YR BLD-GCW DEC 1.0>0[0.9] JAN 1.0>0[1.0]
 
Ishrion
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Re: OAG Changes 9/22/2020:PSP on everybody;AA Adds PHX-LAP/LTO;DL Exits ORH;UA Suspends HAV

Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:27 pm

enilria wrote:
What is this?
**PS JFK-KEF DEC 0>0.2[0] JAN 0>0.3[0] FEB 0>0.3[0] MAR 0>0.2[0]


It’s this: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1452051

Ukraine International Airlines is using the 737-900ER on Kiev to New York JFK with a stopover in Reykjavik.
 
alasizon
Posts: 2710
Joined: Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:57 pm

Re: OAG Changes 9/22/2020:PSP on everybody;AA Adds PHX-LAP/LTO;DL Exits ORH;UA Suspends HAV

Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:29 pm

enilria wrote:
**AA LAP-PHX DEC 0>0.2[0] JAN 0>0.5[0] FEB 0>0.4[0] MAR 0>0.4[0] JUN 0>0.4[0]
**AA LTO-PHX DEC 0>0.3[0] JAN 0>0.6[0] FEB 0>0.6[0] MAR 0>0.5[0] APR 0>0.5[0]


Talk about out of left field. It's one thing to add leisure routes right now, totally another to add two new Mexico cities that you don't currently serve.
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**AS PSP-RNO DEC 0>0.4[0] JAN 0>0.7[0] FEB 0>0.7[0] MAR 0>0.7[0] APR 0>0.3[0]


I know this is a long and hard drive and that Reno is cold in the winter, but is there much of a market for this P2P route?
 
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Station closure
**DL DTW-ORH OCT 1.0>0[0.9] NOV 0.9>0[1.0] DEC 0.8>0[0.9] JAN 0.8>0[0.9] FEB 0.9>0[0.9] MAR 0.9>0[0.7] APR 0.9>0[0.9] MAY 0.8>0[0.8] JUN 0.9>0[0.9]


Writing was on the wall with this one. Pandemic or not, wasn't sustainable long term with a 1x CR2. On the plus side for BDL, we landed B6 LAX, SFO, CUN and LAS.
 
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alasizon wrote:
enilria wrote:
**AA LAP-PHX DEC 0>0.2[0] JAN 0>0.5[0] FEB 0>0.4[0] MAR 0>0.4[0] JUN 0>0.4[0]
**AA LTO-PHX DEC 0>0.3[0] JAN 0>0.6[0] FEB 0>0.6[0] MAR 0>0.5[0] APR 0>0.5[0]


Talk about out of left field. It's one thing to add leisure routes right now, totally another to add two new Mexico cities that you don't currently serve.


With Hawaiian tourism up in the air (yes, I know they say they're reopening soon, but are requiring a recent COVID test) I think AA is trying to provide alternative beach options for those in the Western US. I guess they realize not everyone wants to go to Cabo so they're providing some alternatives to see if it works.

Interesting, they're also flying these once weekly from DFW. It's odd that those flights (which were on RoutesOnline today: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/293890/american-returns-to-la-paz-since-1980-loreto-addition-from-late-dec-2020/) didn't show up in the same schedule load.
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SCHATC422 wrote:
enilria wrote:
Station closure
**DL DTW-ORH OCT 1.0>0[0.9] NOV 0.9>0[1.0] DEC 0.8>0[0.9] JAN 0.8>0[0.9] FEB 0.9>0[0.9] MAR 0.9>0[0.7] APR 0.9>0[0.9] MAY 0.8>0[0.8] JUN 0.9>0[0.9]


Writing was on the wall with this one. Pandemic or not, wasn't sustainable long term with a 1x CR2. On the plus side for BDL, we landed B6 LAX, SFO, CUN and LAS.

They wanted out of this one earlier, but had to keep it around due to CARES act.

Not worth the quid-pro-quo that was needed previously for MASSPORT.
 
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Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:48 pm

Oof. Still a lot of downward adjustments in October - and not just Hawaii and Europe remaining 'closed.' One might have thought all of the optimism not founded in bookings counts and fares had been wrung out by now.
 
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enilria wrote:

**AS PSP-RNO DEC 0>0.4[0] JAN 0>0.7[0] FEB 0>0.7[0] MAR 0>0.7[0] APR 0>0.3[0]


I know this is a long and hard drive and that Reno is cold in the winter, but is there much of a market for this P2P route?

Californians like to ski too
 
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CUN and other Mexican beach destinations getting some extra service this winter. One of the few countries US citizens can enter without restrictions. At least it will benefit the locals that rely on tourism dollars ( or pesos).
 
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AA ABQ-DFW OCT 4>3[7]

Where is the OAG coming up with these numbers for AA? ABQ-DFW is still at 7 for Oct according to their website. So if the first market on the list is so far off every week, how reliable are all the others?
 
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AA ABQ-DFW OCT 4>3[7]

Where is the OAG coming up with these numbers for AA? ABQ-DFW is still at 7 for Oct according to their website. So if the first market on the list is so far off every week, how reliable are all the others?



It may not be loaded into Sabre yet. Delta’s schedules frequently update on OAG before they are put into Deltamatic.
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Disappointing to see so many Hawaii cuts even after they announced the reopening date. Hopefully November will be the actual RTS...
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Cape Air Montana Drops??? Or is this the Tecnam's not loading correctly again?
 
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People are being unreasonable - I get the optimism, but every week we hear “wow more cuts in October” or November, etc... There isn’t going to be a vaccine until *maybe* end of this year and even then, mass distribution won’t occur until mid next year at the earliest. There isn’t going to be a lot of increased schedules until then. We’re in for probably 6-9 more months of extremely limited capacity and constant cuts
 
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People are being unreasonable - I get the optimism, but every week we hear “wow more cuts in October” or November, etc... There isn’t going to be a vaccine until *maybe* end of this year and even then, mass distribution won’t occur until mid next year at the earliest. There isn’t going to be a lot of increased schedules until then. We’re in for probably 6-9 more months of extremely limited capacity and constant cuts

And eventual bankruptcies, as well.
 
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Tue Sep 22, 2020 6:27 pm

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AA ABQ-DFW OCT 4>3[7]

Where is the OAG coming up with these numbers for AA? ABQ-DFW is still at 7 for Oct according to their website. So if the first market on the list is so far off every week, how reliable are all the others?

I just went to aa.com. I see 3 Rts for sale. Thanks for trashing the accuracy of the report without even looking at the AA booking engine.

For example on Tuesday October 6 there are only these flights...
1045
1252
1915

No idea what you are taking about.
 
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32andBelow wrote:
AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
enilria wrote:

**AS PSP-RNO DEC 0>0.4[0] JAN 0>0.7[0] FEB 0>0.7[0] MAR 0>0.7[0] APR 0>0.3[0]


I know this is a long and hard drive and that Reno is cold in the winter, but is there much of a market for this P2P route?

Californians like to ski too

I think the psychology is that many people have relocated temporarily to vacation cities like PSP, lake taho area, but those people will still want to go on vacation
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IAHWorldflyer wrote:
CUN and other Mexican beach destinations getting some extra service this winter. One of the few countries US citizens can enter without restrictions. At least it will benefit the locals that rely on tourism dollars ( or pesos).

I'm worried this is gonna go south as Hawaii did once COVID begins to spike there with all the Americans coming in. Hopefully they can stay open and also manage spread
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People are being unreasonable - I get the optimism, but every week we hear “wow more cuts in October” or November, etc... There isn’t going to be a vaccine until *maybe* end of this year and even then, mass distribution won’t occur until mid next year at the earliest. There isn’t going to be a lot of increased schedules until then. We’re in for probably 6-9 more months of extremely limited capacity and constant cuts


Absolutely. Yes, airlines will shift their very limited capacity around. Palm Springs is an obvious destination because it is warm and sunny all year round, which allows things that work with social distancing such as outdoor dining and that thus create a semblance of normalcy. But until a vaccine, and given massive global travel restrictions, it is going to be all about cash preservation until (hopefully) Q3 2021. That is when we might see what a recovering market looks like.
 
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enilria wrote:
**AA LAP-PHX DEC 0>0.2[0] JAN 0>0.5[0] FEB 0>0.4[0] MAR 0>0.4[0] JUN 0>0.4[0]
**AA LTO-PHX DEC 0>0.3[0] JAN 0>0.6[0] FEB 0>0.6[0] MAR 0>0.5[0] APR 0>0.5[0]


Talk about out of left field. It's one thing to add leisure routes right now, totally another to add two new Mexico cities that you don't currently serve.

I think airlines are beginning to understand that serving Mexico for tourists doesn't begin and end with CUN
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Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:11 pm

stl07 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
AVLAirlineFreq wrote:

I know this is a long and hard drive and that Reno is cold in the winter, but is there much of a market for this P2P route?

Californians like to ski too

I think the psychology is that many people have relocated temporarily to vacation cities like PSP, lake taho area, but those people will still want to go on vacation

People still live in the palm desert permanently and they may fancy at ski up at squaw
 
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stl07 wrote:
alasizon wrote:
enilria wrote:
**AA LAP-PHX DEC 0>0.2[0] JAN 0>0.5[0] FEB 0>0.4[0] MAR 0>0.4[0] JUN 0>0.4[0]
**AA LTO-PHX DEC 0>0.3[0] JAN 0>0.6[0] FEB 0>0.6[0] MAR 0>0.5[0] APR 0>0.5[0]


Talk about out of left field. It's one thing to add leisure routes right now, totally another to add two new Mexico cities that you don't currently serve.

I think airlines are beginning to understand that serving Mexico for tourists doesn't begin and end with CUN

LTO has a long history of buying service. It’s a huge second home time share market. They probably threw in some money.
 
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Disappointing to see so many Hawaii cuts even after they announced the reopening date. Hopefully November will be the actual RTS...



Even though Hawaii is reopening in October there are still a lot of restrictions in place for anyone coming to the state. It is not a free for all, visitors and residents will either still have to quarantine for 14 days, or have taken a valid negative COVID test the test and results have to be taken and issued within 72 hours of your arrival. Visitors can take a COVID test upon arrival in Hawaii (the traveler must cover the cost of the test) and will have to quarantine in their house or hotel until they test results come back. There are other restrictions I can't think of them all right now off the top of my head, In August there was tremendous interest in Hawaii because people thought the state would just open the doors in September without restrictions, when that didn't happen a lot of people canceled their plans for Hawaii. With the restrictions the state will have in place for their reopening, those restrictions will service as a deterrent for many passengers who simply don't want to deal with the restrictions just to go on vacation.
 
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Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:42 pm

enilria wrote:
Chuska wrote:
AA ABQ-DFW OCT 4>3[7]

Where is the OAG coming up with these numbers for AA? ABQ-DFW is still at 7 for Oct according to their website. So if the first market on the list is so far off every week, how reliable are all the others?

I just went to aa.com. I see 3 Rts for sale. Thanks for trashing the accuracy of the report without even looking at the AA booking engine.

For example on Tuesday October 6 there are only these flights...
1045
1252
1915

No idea what you are taking about.


AA schedule change is the next day, Oct 7. Currently AA has only 4 flights on ABQ-DFW, one is except Tuesdays making only 3 on Tuesday Oct 6, the only day in Oct that has only 3 flights. On Oct 7 it goes up to 7 flights (5 on Tues and Wed). So it should read about 6.something when taking an average including the first six days of Oct plus fewer flights on Tues and Wed. I have no intentions of trashing the report, just trying to say that each week there are many markets for AA that aren't showing correctly.
 
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jayunited wrote:
iflykpdx wrote:
Disappointing to see so many Hawaii cuts even after they announced the reopening date. Hopefully November will be the actual RTS...



Even though Hawaii is reopening in October there are still a lot of restrictions in place for anyone coming to the state. It is not a free for all, visitors and residents will either still have to quarantine for 14 days, or have taken a valid negative COVID test the test and results have to be taken and issued within 72 hours of your arrival. Visitors can take a COVID test upon arrival in Hawaii (the traveler must cover the cost of the test) and will have to quarantine in their house or hotel until they test results come back. There are other restrictions I can't think of them all right now off the top of my head, In August there was tremendous interest in Hawaii because people thought the state would just open the doors in September without restrictions, when that didn't happen a lot of people canceled their plans for Hawaii. With the restrictions the state will have in place for their reopening, those restrictions will service as a deterrent for many passengers who simply don't want to deal with the restrictions just to go on vacation.

A lot of people went to Alaska this summer under a similar regime. Getting tested now is pretty easy especially with Walgreens doing it
 
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32andBelow wrote:
stl07 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Californians like to ski too

I think the psychology is that many people have relocated temporarily to vacation cities like PSP, lake taho area, but those people will still want to go on vacation

People still live in the palm desert permanently and they may fancy at ski up at squaw

Well yea, but now the population has swelled to the point where it justifies service
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Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:44 pm

Chuska wrote:
enilria wrote:
Chuska wrote:
AA ABQ-DFW OCT 4>3[7]

Where is the OAG coming up with these numbers for AA? ABQ-DFW is still at 7 for Oct according to their website. So if the first market on the list is so far off every week, how reliable are all the others?

I just went to aa.com. I see 3 Rts for sale. Thanks for trashing the accuracy of the report without even looking at the AA booking engine.

For example on Tuesday October 6 there are only these flights...
1045
1252
1915

No idea what you are taking about.


AA schedule change is the next day, Oct 7. Currently AA has only 4 flights on ABQ-DFW, one is except Tuesdays making only 3 on Tuesday Oct 6, the only day in Oct that has only 3 flights. On Oct 7 it goes up to 7 flights (5 on Tues and Wed). So it should read about 6.something when taking an average including the first six days of Oct plus fewer flights on Tues and Wed. I have no intentions of trashing the report, just trying to say that each week there are many markets for AA that aren't showing correctly.


If you keep up with the updates, you know the volatility in the scheduling. Just because it may show up now, doesn't mean it will be there next month. I agree with enilria, you are trashing his efforts with your comment.
 
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Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:23 pm

ZazuPIT wrote:
Chuska wrote:
enilria wrote:
I just went to aa.com. I see 3 Rts for sale. Thanks for trashing the accuracy of the report without even looking at the AA booking engine.

For example on Tuesday October 6 there are only these flights...
1045
1252
1915

No idea what you are taking about.


AA schedule change is the next day, Oct 7. Currently AA has only 4 flights on ABQ-DFW, one is except Tuesdays making only 3 on Tuesday Oct 6, the only day in Oct that has only 3 flights. On Oct 7 it goes up to 7 flights (5 on Tues and Wed). So it should read about 6.something when taking an average including the first six days of Oct plus fewer flights on Tues and Wed. I have no intentions of trashing the report, just trying to say that each week there are many markets for AA that aren't showing correctly.


If you keep up with the updates, you know the volatility in the scheduling. Just because it may show up now, doesn't mean it will be there next month. I agree with enilria, you are trashing his efforts with your comment.


I watch the ABQ-DFW market very closely every week. This is what has been showing in the AA booking engine for about a month now since the October 7 schedule was finalized:

Oct 1-6: 4, one flight is except Tuesday
Oct 7-31: 7, two flights except Tues/Wed, and one flight except Sat.

I'm asking how the OAG comes up with 3 per day, not trashing anyone on this site. I greatly appreciate everything Enilria does.
 
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Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:09 pm

Chuska wrote:
ZazuPIT wrote:
Chuska wrote:

AA schedule change is the next day, Oct 7. Currently AA has only 4 flights on ABQ-DFW, one is except Tuesdays making only 3 on Tuesday Oct 6, the only day in Oct that has only 3 flights. On Oct 7 it goes up to 7 flights (5 on Tues and Wed). So it should read about 6.something when taking an average including the first six days of Oct plus fewer flights on Tues and Wed. I have no intentions of trashing the report, just trying to say that each week there are many markets for AA that aren't showing correctly.


If you keep up with the updates, you know the volatility in the scheduling. Just because it may show up now, doesn't mean it will be there next month. I agree with enilria, you are trashing his efforts with your comment.


I watch the ABQ-DFW market very closely every week. This is what has been showing in the AA booking engine for about a month now since the October 7 schedule was finalized:

Oct 1-6: 4, one flight is except Tuesday
Oct 7-31: 7, two flights except Tues/Wed, and one flight except Sat.

I'm asking how the OAG comes up with 3 per day, not trashing anyone on this site. I greatly appreciate everything Enilria does.


I guess we will see what happens. Changes are happening so fast it is difficult to keep up. If as expected the virus numbers start going up, we will see lots of schedflights go away with little notice.
 
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Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:49 pm

Baja California Sur is the least densely populated state in Mexico. Plenty of open spaces, beaches, and deserts. Ideal for a social distance holiday. La Paz (LAP) and Loreto (LTO) are good low key alternatives for Cabo San Lucas. They’ve been getting publicity from on-line travel video bloggers.
 
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AA CLT-FLO OCT 1.9>0.4[3]
AA CLT-GCM OCT 0.8>0[1.0]
AA CLT-GGT DEC 0.1>0.5[0.2] JAN 0.2>0.5[0.1] FEB 0.2>0.8[0.1] MAR 0.2>1.0[0.2]
AA CLT-HTS OCT 1.9>0.3[3]
AA CLT-HVN OCT 1.0>0.2[1.7]
AA CLT-IPT OCT 1.4>0.2[1.6]
AA CLT-PGV OCT 2.0>0.4[3]
AA CLT-PLS NOV 0.5>0.8[0.1] DEC 1.1>1.5[0.5]
AA CLT-SEA OCT 3>1.8[4]

I guess AA "drained" all they could out of PHL, so maybe it's CLTs turn!
 
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Appreciate these enilria and all you do. It’s a joy for me every week.

Not sure why but many of the AA numbers have been incorrect for a few weeks now. For example, take ALB-ORD or CMH-ORD. There are 2x daily on aa.com and even 3x some days except Wed throughout the month. On Wed, AA Is cutting most non hub to hub flights. Could that be why the data is incorrect? These are just a few but I spot checked many and they are incorrect.

Thanks again for all the time you spend on this!
 
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Chuska wrote:
ZazuPIT wrote:
Chuska wrote:

AA schedule change is the next day, Oct 7. Currently AA has only 4 flights on ABQ-DFW, one is except Tuesdays making only 3 on Tuesday Oct 6, the only day in Oct that has only 3 flights. On Oct 7 it goes up to 7 flights (5 on Tues and Wed). So it should read about 6.something when taking an average including the first six days of Oct plus fewer flights on Tues and Wed. I have no intentions of trashing the report, just trying to say that each week there are many markets for AA that aren't showing correctly.


If you keep up with the updates, you know the volatility in the scheduling. Just because it may show up now, doesn't mean it will be there next month. I agree with enilria, you are trashing his efforts with your comment.


I watch the ABQ-DFW market very closely every week. This is what has been showing in the AA booking engine for about a month now since the October 7 schedule was finalized:

Oct 1-6: 4, one flight is except Tuesday
Oct 7-31: 7, two flights except Tues/Wed, and one flight except Sat.

I'm asking how the OAG comes up with 3 per day, not trashing anyone on this site. I greatly appreciate everything Enilria does.

Thanks.

I don’t have time to compare every day on the aa site versus OAG. It was 3x on the day in randomly picked. Not 7.
 
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Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:18 am

chicawgo wrote:
Appreciate these enilria and all you do. It’s a joy for me every week.

Not sure why but many of the AA numbers have been incorrect for a few weeks now. For example, take ALB-ORD or CMH-ORD. There are 2x daily on aa.com and even 3x some days except Wed throughout the month. On Wed, AA Is cutting most non hub to hub flights. Could that be why the data is incorrect? These are just a few but I spot checked many and they are incorrect.

Thanks again for all the time you spend on this!


The same is true for UA unfortunately.
 
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Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:57 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
chicawgo wrote:
Appreciate these enilria and all you do. It’s a joy for me every week.

Not sure why but many of the AA numbers have been incorrect for a few weeks now. For example, take ALB-ORD or CMH-ORD. There are 2x daily on aa.com and even 3x some days except Wed throughout the month. On Wed, AA Is cutting most non hub to hub flights. Could that be why the data is incorrect? These are just a few but I spot checked many and they are incorrect.

Thanks again for all the time you spend on this!


The same is true for UA unfortunately.

Usually these issues have to do with shifting assignments of express carriers. And usually within the airline it is within certain express carriers. For UA it is usually markets with Air Wisconsin fleeting. It looks like with AA it appears more often with Envoy. It could be an issue with the way the fleet type codes are published. If you go wayyyy back in my post history you'll find I used to give Enilria a hard time about this all the time, but I've since decided its silly to rib him over this when there are so many solid gems. Just know its an issue and when you see something that seems out of place look it up on the airline's website and google flights. The airline's website is always the final say.

Now, another wrinkle is the fact that several airlines have been doing twice-weekly schedule changes since the pandemic started, so if this report goes out on Tuesday, but you read it on Wednesday, several airlines will have changed their schedules again between this report (read on Tuesday, but airline changes usually from Friday night), and when you read it because they are loading schedules on Tuesday nights.
 
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Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:34 pm

Ordie wrote:
Baja California Sur is the least densely populated state in Mexico. Plenty of open spaces, beaches, and deserts. Ideal for a social distance holiday. La Paz (LAP) and Loreto (LTO) are good low key alternatives for Cabo San Lucas. They’ve been getting publicity from on-line travel video bloggers.


You won't find big numbers of Americans from NYC expecting to camp. Visitors will want a full range of tourist services: hotels, restaurants, dive shops and other things to do. The emptiness of BCS doesn't assure its success as a tourist destination.
 
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Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:25 pm

9K BIL-GDV OCT 2>0[1.9]
9K BIL-GGW OCT 2>0[1.9]
9K BIL-HVR OCT 2>0[1.9]
9K BIL-OLF OCT 2>0[1.9]
9K BIL-SDY OCT 5>0[5]


Still bookable on capeair.com. Is this an error? Or did someone else get the EAS contract? Or is this Oct 2021? Just wondering...
 
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Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:46 pm

QXfactor wrote:
9K BIL-GDV OCT 2>0[1.9]
9K BIL-GGW OCT 2>0[1.9]
9K BIL-HVR OCT 2>0[1.9]
9K BIL-OLF OCT 2>0[1.9]
9K BIL-SDY OCT 5>0[5]


Still bookable on capeair.com. Is this an error? Or did someone else get the EAS contract? Or is this Oct 2021? Just wondering...


I'm guessing that they are switching the Montana flying to the P2012 and as you may have read, sometimes that causes the flights to get dropped from this report. AFAIK nothing is changing in terms of frequency or airline in these markets.
 
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Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:41 am

EI BNA-ORD? Aer Lingus huh? I checked that I found out it was not Aer Lingus flying to BNA. It was United Express share code by United Express. Error system>?

Q
 
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Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:17 am

Q wrote:
EI BNA-ORD? Aer Lingus huh? I checked that I found out it was not Aer Lingus flying to BNA. It was United Express share code by United Express. Error system>?

Q

Are you the same Q?
Instead of typing in "mods", consider using the report function.
Love how every "travel blogger" says they will never fly AA/Ethihad again and then says it again and again on subsequent flights.
 
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Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:18 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
Ordie wrote:
Baja California Sur is the least densely populated state in Mexico. Plenty of open spaces, beaches, and deserts. Ideal for a social distance holiday. La Paz (LAP) and Loreto (LTO) are good low key alternatives for Cabo San Lucas. They’ve been getting publicity from on-line travel video bloggers.


You won't find big numbers of Americans from NYC expecting to camp. Visitors will want a full range of tourist services: hotels, restaurants, dive shops and other things to do. The emptiness of BCS doesn't assure its success as a tourist destination.

Well yea, that's why they are being served from nearby cities in the states where they already have a name for being more of a backpacker/outdoorsman destination, not from NYC
Instead of typing in "mods", consider using the report function.
Love how every "travel blogger" says they will never fly AA/Ethihad again and then says it again and again on subsequent flights.
 
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Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:08 pm

Q wrote:
EI BNA-ORD? Aer Lingus huh? I checked that I found out it was not Aer Lingus flying to BNA. It was United Express share code by United Express. Error system>?

Q

This is most likely EI’s misfile. They have been doing this the last couple of months. EI codeshares on UA metal on the routes ORD-BNA/CLE/IND/STL/SLC/PHX/LAX/OKC/YYZ/MKE/IAH being wrongly filed as EI metal or something to that effect.
 
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Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:54 pm

enilria wrote:
Hasn't this gone in and out 2x?
**DL BMI-DTW OCT 0>0.5[0] NOV 0>0.7[0] DEC 0>0.7[0] JAN 0>0.7[0] FEB 0>0.7[0] MAR 0>0.7[0] APR 0>0.7[0] MAY 0>0.7[0] JUN 0>0.7[0]


I think this flight maybe just was loaded by mistake too early. There was some pretty big coverage in the local press about it earlier this week, so I think it will stick this time. The local Rivian electric truck plant with its HQ in Detroit will no doubt fill some of the seats.
 
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:00 am

Hard to believe that WG are increasing YYZ-MCO from 1x to 2x weekly, when all other transborder leisure is getting hacked, including WO's new LAS-YYZ now not starting in November...these were just announced a couple of weeks ago. Uptake must be incredibly weak.
 
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:15 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
Hard to believe that WG are increasing YYZ-MCO from 1x to 2x weekly, when all other transborder leisure is getting hacked, including WO's new LAS-YYZ now not starting in November...these were just announced a couple of weeks ago. Uptake must be incredibly weak.


I agree. How could Canada ban all non-essential traffic across the land border yet allow more international flights to the Walt Disney World area? A family of four showing up at a ticket counter with super excited kids will be a dead giveaway that trip isn't essential.
 
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:21 pm

stl07 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
Ordie wrote:
Baja California Sur is the least densely populated state in Mexico. Plenty of open spaces, beaches, and deserts. Ideal for a social distance holiday. La Paz (LAP) and Loreto (LTO) are good low key alternatives for Cabo San Lucas. They’ve been getting publicity from on-line travel video bloggers.


You won't find big numbers of Americans from NYC expecting to camp. Visitors will want a full range of tourist services: hotels, restaurants, dive shops and other things to do. The emptiness of BCS doesn't assure its success as a tourist destination.

Well yea, that's why they are being served from nearby cities in the states where they already have a name for being more of a backpacker/outdoorsman destination, not from NYC


La Paz has nearby beaches that are better for swimmers than Cabo. It just doesn't have many hotels that are right on the beach. It's a much more genuine and laid back atmosphere. The same can be said for Loreto. Your dollar goes much further there compared to Cabo.
 
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:31 pm

stl07 wrote:
IAHWorldflyer wrote:
CUN and other Mexican beach destinations getting some extra service this winter. One of the few countries US citizens can enter without restrictions. At least it will benefit the locals that rely on tourism dollars ( or pesos).

I'm worried this is gonna go south as Hawaii did once COVID begins to spike there with all the Americans coming in. Hopefully they can stay open and also manage spread

They need the tourism dollars so much in Mexico that it still looks like a free-for-all for US citizens despite the so-called travel restrictions. I live near the San Diego-Tijuana border. There's a traffic jam heading south on Fridays before every weekend. I've asked and been told the Mexico immigration doesn't check anyone coming in by car for covid. I wonder if people are being denied entry at Cabo sometimes (doubt it).
 
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:21 pm

joeblow10 wrote:
People are being unreasonable - I get the optimism, but every week we hear “wow more cuts in October” or November, etc... There isn’t going to be a vaccine until *maybe* end of this year and even then, mass distribution won’t occur until mid next year at the earliest. There isn’t going to be a lot of increased schedules until then. We’re in for probably 6-9 more months of extremely limited capacity and constant cuts

Even if a vaccine is found, it's effectiveness will have to be in question. Anything that rushed in the medical field would still be highly questionable until reliable results are analyzed.
Rush forever Closer To My Heart
 
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:55 pm

DL ATL-DSS OCT 0>1.0[0]


Now? I am lost on this, can someone kindly enlighten me. Why launch that route, in this market?

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