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Delta Airbus A220-300 Inaugural Flight

Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:27 am

Seems to have gone a little under the radar, but Delta has loaded their first A220-300 flights into the schedule. First flight is Tuesday Nov 10th from SLC to IAH (which I will be on), with an AUS flight later in the day. Looking forward taking my first ride on the type!
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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inagural Flight

Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:29 am

It's a beautiful and impressive new fleet type :)
 
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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inagural Flight

Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:42 am

With 50 on order (more than A221), I'm curious what other airports and missions we could see the A223 doing. Improved range could make sense for an SLC base, not to mention Breeze will be there too...
 
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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inagural Flight

Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:57 am

Sypho839 wrote:
With 50 on order (more than A221), I'm curious what other airports and missions we could see the A223 doing. Improved range could make sense for an SLC base, not to mention Breeze will be there too...


Anyone else hoping for transatlantic services? The A223 can reach a few thinner European markets from BOS/JFK.

Similarly, it has sufficient range from ATL/MIA to some smaller South American cities.
 
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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inaugural Flight

Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:18 am

The current A220 pilot bases are in SLC and NYC. DL doesn’t base aircraft at any particular hub but does have crew bases and that does generally concentrate flying to an extent. A220 already has been flying through DTW and MSP and to a limited extent ATL. They will be everywhere once the fleet gets to scale.

Part of the reason the 221s went out west to was DL sent the 717s back east in 2019.
 
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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inaugural Flight

Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:21 am

Uhh no any they aren’t going to be ETOPS and the economics of TATL sub 180 seat narrow bodies isn’t great.
 
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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inagural Flight

Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:45 am

Ishrion wrote:
Sypho839 wrote:
With 50 on order (more than A221), I'm curious what other airports and missions we could see the A223 doing. Improved range could make sense for an SLC base, not to mention Breeze will be there too...


Anyone else hoping for transatlantic services? The A223 can reach a few thinner European markets from BOS/JFK.

Similarly, it has sufficient range from ATL/MIA to some smaller South American cities.

Thinner TATL (and South American) markets are precisely the ones DL will be avoiding. With traffic down they will be consolidating international routes to help fill their wide bodies, not fragmenting them. And this ignoring that they are not configured for premium international services.

The A220s will stay in North America to help rebuild the domestic network. Remember all the MD80/90s are gone, 73Gs are gone, the 717s will be gone in a few years, CRJ200s gone in a few years, and who knows how many A319/A320/738/757s will never re-enter service. Aside from the A220s all DL has coming in for domestic over the next few years is 100 A321neos and however many A321ceos are left.
 
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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inaugural Flight

Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:54 am

I would be surprised if this was all the A220s DL got. I'm expecting another order of BCS1/BCS3 frames to replace not only the 717s, but the A319s over time. I fully expect around 200 BCS1/3 frames in the DL fleet when all is said and done...with DL eventually being the largest A220 operator. This model and the A20N/A21N series are truly pandemic-proof as the money will be in short-haul for some time.

The BCS1 is what the A318 was supposed to be.
 
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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inaugural Flight

Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:54 am

I’m starting to think (well, been thinking for a bit) that the A220 is becoming the right plane at the right time. Capable and right sized.
 
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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inaugural Flight

Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:55 am

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I would be surprised if this was all the A220s DL got. I'm expecting another order of BCS1/BCS3 frames to replace not only the 717s, but the A319s over time. I fully expect around 200 BCS1/3 frames in the DL fleet when all is said and done...with DL eventually being the largest A220 operator. This model and the A20N/A21N series are truly pandemic-proof as the money will be in short-haul for some time.

The BCS1 is what the A318 was supposed to be.


yes, and they have the range to fly to Europe if needed.
 
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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inaugural Flight

Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:59 am

UPNYGuy wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
I would be surprised if this was all the A220s DL got. I'm expecting another order of BCS1/BCS3 frames to replace not only the 717s, but the A319s over time. I fully expect around 200 BCS1/3 frames in the DL fleet when all is said and done...with DL eventually being the largest A220 operator. This model and the A20N/A21N series are truly pandemic-proof as the money will be in short-haul for some time.

The BCS1 is what the A318 was supposed to be.


yes, and they have the range to fly to Europe if needed.


Way too small for that though, and nothing smaller than the A21N can be equipped with an international-style J and still make money flying TATL.
 
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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inaugural Flight

Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:03 am

In another thread I opined that with 6 A221's waiting on the ramp at YMX and 2 A223's ready to go at BFM that Delta and Airbus would probably work out a way for Delta to take delivery of these sometime in 2020. I'm still not sure about the A221's getting delivered yet, but based on what has been discussed above, at least the 2 A223's might see service soon. Also, Airbus has 4 more A223's on the BFM assembly line, but I expect these will wait until at least Q1 2021 to be delivered.
 
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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inagural Flight

Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:37 am

Ishrion wrote:
Anyone else hoping for transatlantic services? The A223 can reach a few thinner European markets from BOS/JFK.


Not first few years.

It makes much more sense to use then to adjust to reduced traffic everywhere where it saves money in COVID world. Later on, I think it's easier to expand on smaller cities inner (US), than outer (EU). We might see such experiment, but I think it's neither soon, or sure. There are better uses for these planes in this decade, I think.

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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inaugural Flight

Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:19 pm

In Covid19, a great milestone. Congrats to Airbus.

I'll be more excited when delivered.

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
The current A220 pilot bases are in SLC and NYC. DL doesn’t base aircraft at any particular hub but does have crew bases and that does generally concentrate flying to an extent. A220 already has been flying through DTW and MSP and to a limited extent ATL. They will be everywhere once the fleet gets to scale.

Part of the reason the 221s went out west to was DL sent the 717s back east in 2019.

The 717s lack the range for easy reposition. For example, AirTran failed flying ATL-LAS with the 717, it just doesn't have the range. Since an A221 has TCON range, it is trivial to schedule it for a return to a maintenance center.

Western flights also tend to be longer, the A221 fuel savings are thus greater. With the announced 717 retirement in 2025, it will be interesting to see DL's plans for the A223.

I agree they will be everywhere once the fleets gets to scale. That scale is important as there needs to be a minimum of 2, ideally 3 more pilot/crew bases to economically move around the type. One reason I hope for more A220 orders is it will take having far more A220 in service to economically open more bases. Perhaps excercise options?

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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inaugural Flight

Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:23 pm

lightsaber wrote:
That scale is important as there needs to be a minimum of 2, ideally 3 more pilot/crew bases to economically move around the type. One reason I hope for more A220 orders is it will take having far more A220 in service to economically open more bases. Perhaps excercise options?

Lightsaber


How many do you think they'll have on property before they have three crew bases? I might have guessed a number bigger than 95 but if they're in the smaller hubs (say SEA, LAX and SLC), 95 would be a lot.
 
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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inaugural Flight

Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:08 pm

Here's a neat video discussing the A220 that came out a few days ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r3U-mMIsGQ

Air Baltic does the "dog & pony", but Delta gets lots of discussion, too.
 
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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inaugural Flight

Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:15 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
That scale is important as there needs to be a minimum of 2, ideally 3 more pilot/crew bases to economically move around the type. One reason I hope for more A220 orders is it will take having far more A220 in service to economically open more bases. Perhaps excercise options?

Lightsaber


How many do you think they'll have on property before they have three crew bases? I might have guessed a number bigger than 95 but if they're in the smaller hubs (say SEA, LAX and SLC), 95 would be a lot.


In January, a Seattle A220 crew base was announced to open this summer/fall. Then COVID happened.
 
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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inaugural Flight

Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:38 pm

Air Baltic flies the A223 on a 6,5h flight between RIX-AUH on a 145pax config. Could DL use the A223 on transcon during low demand periods/days etc?
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Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:48 pm

Cactusjuba wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
That scale is important as there needs to be a minimum of 2, ideally 3 more pilot/crew bases to economically move around the type. One reason I hope for more A220 orders is it will take having far more A220 in service to economically open more bases. Perhaps excercise options?

Lightsaber


How many do you think they'll have on property before they have three crew bases? I might have guessed a number bigger than 95 but if they're in the smaller hubs (say SEA, LAX and SLC), 95 would be a lot.


In January, a Seattle A220 crew base was announced to open this summer/fall. Then COVID happened.


It wouldn't surprise me if there is already an A220 crew base up here in SEA, since a lot of the segments have A220's on it like SFO, DEN, ORD and more recently, BNA. I wonder if we'll see more of the A220's taking over some of the current Skywest routes out of SEA as loads inch up...like the return to SJC and FAI; then add SMF, PDX and SNA. Just thoughts. For the A223's, I could see SEA-SAN, PHX, IND, MCI just to name a few.
 
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Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:49 pm

marcogr12 wrote:
Air Baltic flies the A223 on a 6,5h flight between RIX-AUH on a 145pax config. Could DL use the A223 on transcon during low demand periods/days etc?


AC had announced A223 service on the SEA-YUL and SJC-YYZ before COVID demolished that plan.
 
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Mon Sep 28, 2020 2:59 am

FLALEFTY wrote:
Here's a neat video discussing the A220 that came out a few days ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r3U-mMIsGQ

Air Baltic does the "dog & pony", but Delta gets lots of discussion, too.


Damn the A220-300 looks gorgeous, but the A220-500 looks even better. It's no wonder DL wants to be aligned so close to Airbus at this point (Former NW folks likely steering these decisions likely.)

marcogr12 wrote:
Air Baltic flies the A223 on a 6,5h flight between RIX-AUH on a 145pax config. Could DL use the A223 on transcon during low demand periods/days etc?


DL launching a route like EWR-LAX or SEA comes to mind if you ask me. Or RIC-SLC, something like that.
 
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Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:03 am

I'm hoping the A220 can restore routes like CVG-SAN and return mainline to other cities.
 
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Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:12 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
I'm hoping the A220 can restore routes like CVG-SAN and return mainline to other cities.

In the medium term, I would agree it's likely to serve as a growth engine but in the short term it's far more likely to play a role as a route preserver and downgauging tool than anything else for the next 2-3 years
 
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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inaugural Flight

Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:40 am

From my perspective, everybody is missing the best part as Delta is grounding the 220 fleet. They need to furlough 1941 pilots and and that will leave 20ish copilots on the entire 220 if they furlough. Last min negations are happening to trying to prevent the furlough of 200+Of the 220 fleet to keep it airborne, but it is highly unlikely it will be successful.

Just my opinion....

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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inaugural Flight

Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:07 am

reltney wrote:
From my perspective, everybody is missing the best part as Delta is grounding the 220 fleet. They need to furlough 1941 pilots and and that will leave 20ish copilots on the entire 220 if they furlough. Last min negations are happening to trying to prevent the furlough of 200+Of the 220 fleet to keep it airborne, but it is highly unlikely it will be successful.

Just my opinion....

Cheers

Just sayin


Highly likely a CARES 2.0 is coming. I don't think the fleet will actually end up getting parked.
 
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Mon Sep 28, 2020 6:50 am

FlyGuyNash wrote:
reltney wrote:
From my perspective, everybody is missing the best part as Delta is grounding the 220 fleet. They need to furlough 1941 pilots and and that will leave 20ish copilots on the entire 220 if they furlough. Last min negations are happening to trying to prevent the furlough of 200+Of the 220 fleet to keep it airborne, but it is highly unlikely it will be successful.

Just my opinion....

Cheers

Just sayin


Highly likely a CARES 2.0 is coming. I don't think the fleet will actually end up getting parked.

uh 220 have already been cut off the furlough list and the furlough data has already been pushed back to November 1
 
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Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:31 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
marcogr12 wrote:
Air Baltic flies the A223 on a 6,5h flight between RIX-AUH on a 145pax config. Could DL use the A223 on transcon during low demand periods/days etc?


AC had announced A223 service on the SEA-YUL and SJC-YYZ before COVID demolished that plan.


I had also heard PDX-YYZ was going A-223.
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Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:12 pm

Sypho839 wrote:
With 50 on order (more than A221), I'm curious what other airports and missions we could see the A223 doing. Improved range could make sense for an SLC base, not to mention Breeze will be there too...


The HQ is there, but Neeleman has said he doesn't have plans to fly to SLC...
 
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Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:14 pm

FlyGuyNash wrote:
reltney wrote:
From my perspective, everybody is missing the best part as Delta is grounding the 220 fleet. They need to furlough 1941 pilots and and that will leave 20ish copilots on the entire 220 if they furlough. Last min negations are happening to trying to prevent the furlough of 200+Of the 220 fleet to keep it airborne, but it is highly unlikely it will be successful.

Just my opinion....

Cheers

Just sayin


Highly likely a CARES 2.0 is coming. I don't think the fleet will actually end up getting parked.


It will not happen in the next 3 days. It probably will not happen in the next 30 days.
 
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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inaugural Flight

Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:01 pm

Flown on the -100 and -300 various times now and especially when travelling with the wife the 2 seats on the side are great. Legroom in general (even if listed on paper with similar pitch to A320) felt much better because of the design.
 
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Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:34 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
Cactusjuba wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

How many do you think they'll have on property before they have three crew bases? I might have guessed a number bigger than 95 but if they're in the smaller hubs (say SEA, LAX and SLC), 95 would be a lot.


In January, a Seattle A220 crew base was announced to open this summer/fall. Then COVID happened.


It wouldn't surprise me if there is already an A220 crew base up here in SEA, since a lot of the segments have A220's on it like SFO, DEN, ORD and more recently, BNA. I wonder if we'll see more of the A220's taking over some of the current Skywest routes out of SEA as loads inch up...like the return to SJC and FAI; then add SMF, PDX and SNA. Just thoughts. For the A223's, I could see SEA-SAN, PHX, IND, MCI just to name a few.

I could see a third base with the prior 2020 expected deliveries. It would have been "forward leaning."

95 is marginal for 3 bases at Delta's cost structure. I see a need for 40 per base, on average, to reduce costs. A base at ATL is needed to cycle planes in/out of maintenance. Not now, the A220 planes are so young, it doesn't matter, but eventually.

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Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:34 pm

DL seems to fly quite a lot of A221's into DFW, hopefully we'll se the A223's as well :)
 
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Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:18 am

With FR24 still down? Does anyone know on average how many legs an A220 can do a day? Still holding out hope that WN may very well bite the bullet on the A223 down the road..
 
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Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:04 am

DL's A220s typically do 3-4 segments a day, primarily because they generally do a lot of 2-4 hour segments.

Some typical routings look like:
DEN-SEA-ORD-LGA
ORD-SLC-SMF-SLC
ORD-LGA-ORD-LGA-ORD
DFW-SLC-SJC-SLC-AUS
SEA-SFO-SEA-BNA
 
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Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:45 pm

A220 into caribbean routes??
 
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Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:17 pm

Right now, even pre-Covid A220's are being deployed on the following route profiles:

- Routes that are long/thin that require more capacity than an E75/CR9 and have been range/performance/economics than the 717
- Routes that are long/thin that require less capacity and have better performance/economics than the A319, A320, B738
- Routes in competitive markets where being used for product (e.g., NYC, SEA)]

As the fleet scales-up they will expand into other places, particularly as the fleet mix shift around with CR2, 717, and eventually more of the older A320s coming out.

Doubt they will do much Caribbean, since so much of that is flown by larger capacity aircraft B738, B739, A321, B752 than what the A220 provides.
I wouldn't expect to see them on ATL-Caribbean, but maybe in theory some thinner stuff from NYC.
 
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Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:06 pm

FlyGuyNash wrote:
reltney wrote:
From my perspective, everybody is missing the best part as Delta is grounding the 220 fleet. They need to furlough 1941 pilots and and that will leave 20ish copilots on the entire 220 if they furlough. Last min negations are happening to trying to prevent the furlough of 200+Of the 220 fleet to keep it airborne, but it is highly unlikely it will be successful.

Just my opinion....

Cheers

Just sayin


Highly likely a CARES 2.0 is coming. I don't think the fleet will actually end up getting parked.



Delta said they won’t take cares 2 money as it restricts the ability to furlough and the upper management will have big restrictions on their salary . At least that’s what the company sent out.
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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inaugural Flight

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reltney wrote:
FlyGuyNash wrote:
reltney wrote:
From my perspective, everybody is missing the best part as Delta is grounding the 220 fleet. They need to furlough 1941 pilots and and that will leave 20ish copilots on the entire 220 if they furlough. Last min negations are happening to trying to prevent the furlough of 200+Of the 220 fleet to keep it airborne, but it is highly unlikely it will be successful.

Just my opinion....

Cheers

Just sayin


Highly likely a CARES 2.0 is coming. I don't think the fleet will actually end up getting parked.



Delta said they won’t take cares 2 money as it restricts the ability to furlough and the upper management will have big restrictions on their salary . At least that’s what the company sent out.


That's not at all what the company sent out. They said they won't take the cares 1 LOAN. Cares 2 would be the grant for payroll and Ed has said many times they would take that. There would be no reason not to take that, it literally is free billions of dollars for them.
 
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Cares 2 would be the grant for payroll and Ed has said many times they would take that. There would be no reason not to take that, it literally is free billions of dollars for them.


It's not "free" money. Just like the Cares 1 grant it only covers part of the salary of the employees. Delta (and other companies) have to come up with the rest.

I'd not bet on any company deciding to come up with the extra $ vs laying off staff at this point.

Of course, there are no indications that there will actually be a Cares 2 act in the near future. Talk is cheap. The ability to compromise and doing something is not.

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Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:12 pm

2175301 wrote:
FlyGuyNash wrote:
Cares 2 would be the grant for payroll and Ed has said many times they would take that. There would be no reason not to take that, it literally is free billions of dollars for them.


It's not "free" money. Just like the Cares 1 grant it only covers part of the salary of the employees. Delta (and other companies) have to come up with the rest.

I'd not bet on any company deciding to come up with the extra $ vs laying off staff at this point.

Of course, there are no indications that there will actually be a Cares 2 act in the near future. Talk is cheap. The ability to compromise and doing something is not.

Have a great day,


How much do you all think it saves Delta to furlough 1900 pilots? I will tell you, it's approximately $900,000 a day. Multiply that by 182 days (6 months to March 31, 2021) and that's about 164 million dollars.

So you're saying it's cheaper to say no to a $3.8 billion ($5.4-$1.6 loan) never have to repay grant then it is to save 164 million dollars?

If and big IF Cares 2 happens, all the airlines will be taking it again because it's cheaper to take the government money than to furlough employees.

Also Delta received ~70% of salaries from Cares 1. We at one point had 40,000+ employees on unpaid leaves, if there is no money left over now it's because of the early retirement program and Delta having to give a lump sum to almost 16,000 employees. This round we would get the same amount of money but with 17,000 less employees. This grant will pay 100% salaries till end of March and probably even longer. With the hour reduction/people on unpaid leave.
 
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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inaugural Flight

Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:35 pm

Delta told the pilots it will not take cares 2. Could be just a bluff but they do not like the restrictions it places on the executives and their bonus/salaries plus the inability to furlough.

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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inaugural Flight

Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:56 pm

Did somebody say Inaugural flight :stretch:
 
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Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:12 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
I would be surprised if this was all the A220s DL got. I'm expecting another order of BCS1/BCS3 frames to replace not only the 717s, but the A319s over time. I fully expect around 200 BCS1/3 frames in the DL fleet when all is said and done...with DL eventually being the largest A220 operator. This model and the A20N/A21N series are truly pandemic-proof as the money will be in short-haul for some time.

The BCS1 is what the A318 was supposed to be.


At my home town airport SBN we have all the GSE equipment for the A220 as well as the 717. The 717 pre-Covid was used for ND Football weekends and other University special events and occasionally substituted on the SBN-ATL and SBN-MSP runs when loads warranted. Enplanments were growing Pre-Covid because of initiatives with local businesses and I believe that Delta will slowly work in the Endeavor CRJ900's on SBN-ATL and use the A220 on home football weekends when fans can return.
 
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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inaugural Flight

Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:43 pm

reltney wrote:
Delta told the pilots it will not take cares 2. Could be just a bluff but they do not like the restrictions it places on the executives and their bonus/salaries plus the inability to furlough.

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Cares 2 is completely separate from PPP.
 
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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inaugural Flight

Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:59 pm

FLALEFTY wrote:
Here's a neat video discussing the A220 that came out a few days ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r3U-mMIsGQ

Air Baltic does the "dog & pony", but Delta gets lots of discussion, too.


Here is one long video on the Air Baltic delivery flight from Montral to Riga.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lKdTCqt60s
 
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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inaugural Flight

Thu Oct 01, 2020 12:01 am

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95 is marginal for 3 bases at Delta's cost structure. I see a need for 40 per base, on average, to reduce costs. A base at ATL is needed to cycle planes in/out of maintenance. Not now, the A220 planes are so young, it doesn't matter, but eventually.

Lightsaber


Thanks for validating my thinking on base size. 50 or 55 across three bases sounds really thin to me - and of course we don't know what the deferrals for 2020/2021 will be, a period when they were due to receive 35.

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Right now, even pre-Covid A220's are being deployed on the following route profiles:

- Routes that are long/thin that require more capacity than an E75/CR9 and have been range/performance/economics than the 717
- Routes that are long/thin that require less capacity and have better performance/economics than the A319, A320, B738
- Routes in competitive markets where being used for product (e.g., NYC, SEA)]


The 717 and CR2 retirements are REALLY going to scramble that. I expect there will be more than ten A320 retirements but unless they wipe the whole subfleet of 62 it's going to be a smaller factor.
 
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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inaugural Flight

Thu Oct 01, 2020 12:02 am

I believe Delta has got it right with this aircraft and is way ahead of other carriers in fleet simplication. I also believe that Delta will have a large fleet of A220's and almost every Delta city will see this aircraft at one time or another in the future.
 
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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inaugural Flight

Thu Oct 01, 2020 12:07 am

lightsaber wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
Cactusjuba wrote:

In January, a Seattle A220 crew base was announced to open this summer/fall. Then COVID happened.


It wouldn't surprise me if there is already an A220 crew base up here in SEA, since a lot of the segments have A220's on it like SFO, DEN, ORD and more recently, BNA. I wonder if we'll see more of the A220's taking over some of the current Skywest routes out of SEA as loads inch up...like the return to SJC and FAI; then add SMF, PDX and SNA. Just thoughts. For the A223's, I could see SEA-SAN, PHX, IND, MCI just to name a few.

I could see a third base with the prior 2020 expected deliveries. It would have been "forward leaning."

95 is marginal for 3 bases at Delta's cost structure. I see a need for 40 per base, on average, to reduce costs. A base at ATL is needed to cycle planes in/out of maintenance. Not now, the A220 planes are so young, it doesn't matter, but eventually.

Lightsaber


They could also do maintenance on them in MSP, it doesn't need to be ATL.
 
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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inaugural Flight

Thu Oct 01, 2020 12:17 am

So...when will DL retire its A319 fleet which is extremely old now (17 ~ 21 years old, 18.7 y/o on average)
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Re: Delta Airbus A220-300 Inaugural Flight

Thu Oct 01, 2020 1:08 am

burnsie28 wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:

It wouldn't surprise me if there is already an A220 crew base up here in SEA, since a lot of the segments have A220's on it like SFO, DEN, ORD and more recently, BNA. I wonder if we'll see more of the A220's taking over some of the current Skywest routes out of SEA as loads inch up...like the return to SJC and FAI; then add SMF, PDX and SNA. Just thoughts. For the A223's, I could see SEA-SAN, PHX, IND, MCI just to name a few.

I could see a third base with the prior 2020 expected deliveries. It would have been "forward leaning."

95 is marginal for 3 bases at Delta's cost structure. I see a need for 40 per base, on average, to reduce costs. A base at ATL is needed to cycle planes in/out of maintenance. Not now, the A220 planes are so young, it doesn't matter, but eventually.

Lightsaber


They could also do maintenance on them in MSP, it doesn't need to be ATL.

Engine maintenance will be done in ATL we already know where the pure power work will be done so its likely everything else will also be kept their however MSP is also not an a220 base so that doesn't change that issue

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