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Re: British operators of the DC-10

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Re: British operators of the DC-10

Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:38 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
MyTravel / Airtours


I miss those transitional Airtours -> MyTravel/MyTravelLite days! It seemed every aircraft in the fleet was in a slightly different scheme, they certainly weren't as concerned with being "on brand" as JMC were. The DC10s never made it into the full MyTravel colours.
 
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Re: British operators of the DC-10

Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:32 pm

The rebrand to mytravel was where it all began to go wrong, another meaningless brand, like JMC.
 
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Re: British operators of the DC-10

Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:37 pm

I always liked the JMC livery, the MyTravel branding was hideous.
 
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Re: British operators of the DC-10

Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:38 pm

jmc757 wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
MyTravel / Airtours


I miss those transitional Airtours -> MyTravel/MyTravelLite days! It seemed every aircraft in the fleet was in a slightly different scheme, they certainly weren't as concerned with being "on brand" as JMC were. The DC10s never made it into the full MyTravel colours.


There was certainly a mock up done. Saw a model at one of the Manchester Aviation fairs a few years back and it looked quite good. In fact Airtours operated the A330 and DC10 alongside one another for a good few years to the extent some of the A330s were delivered before the DC10s were transferred from Premiair (Airtours Scandinavia) whearas the JMC ones, one had already gone about 6 months by the time the first A330 arrived and the second was withdrawn a few weeks after delivery of the second.

My biggest regret was leaving the RAF just as the Tristars were arriving so never got to work on them which is a shame as i always have a soft spot for a trijet!
 
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Re: British operators of the DC-10

Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:39 pm

And what might have been with the MD-11...

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Let's Go British Caledonian!
 
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Re: British operators of the DC-10

Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:56 am

DL_Mech wrote:
Similar to L-1011 N1031L (later N301EA) that never flew for TWA, that was a AA DC-10 that never flew for AA. I assume for airshow purposes?


Apparently, it's because Ship One had finished its test program while Ship Two was still doing autoland trials that MDC signed an agreement with AA to refurbish nr. 1 and deliver it to AA. Per Terry Waddington, in who's book there's a color picture of ln 2 in full AA colors with Astroliner titles below the forward door R1.
 
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Re: British operators of the DC-10

Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:14 am

G-BELO / G-GCAL with an interlude in the U.S. in between & former N101AA / N10DC #2



 
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Re: British operators of the DC-10

Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:39 am

Spantax also operated the DC10-10 in Europe, EC-EAZ, being the only one they registered in Spain. Interestingly this was former G-BBSZ of Laker. It also operated as N917JW with Spantax. They also operated N52UA
 
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Re: British operators of the DC-10

Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:40 am

crownvic wrote:

That is correct. They were MD-11s and not DC-10s and were to be RR powered, but the RR powered MD-11 never happened.


For Air Europe, yes.

However back in 1976 MDC offered the RB211-engined DC-10-30R to BA, who went with the TriStar 500 instead.

BCal also considered the 30R but needed the type in service by 1978, which MDC couldn't achieve.
 
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Re: British operators of the DC-10

Tue Sep 29, 2020 11:33 am

Can't believe it's already more than ten years since I first watched these videos :frown: :

https://youtu.be/8oFaViSH-f0

https://youtu.be/NWDYFBuxR_o

https://youtu.be/JmP616bOElY
 
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Re: British operators of the DC-10

Tue Sep 29, 2020 4:40 pm

B757236GT wrote:
jmc757 wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
MyTravel / Airtours


I miss those transitional Airtours -> MyTravel/MyTravelLite days! It seemed every aircraft in the fleet was in a slightly different scheme, they certainly weren't as concerned with being "on brand" as JMC were. The DC10s never made it into the full MyTravel colours.


There was certainly a mock up done. Saw a model at one of the Manchester Aviation fairs a few years back and it looked quite good. In fact Airtours operated the A330 and DC10 alongside one another for a good few years to the extent some of the A330s were delivered before the DC10s were transferred from Premiair (Airtours Scandinavia) whearas the JMC ones, one had already gone about 6 months by the time the first A330 arrived and the second was withdrawn a few weeks after delivery of the second.

My biggest regret was leaving the RAF just as the Tristars were arriving so never got to work on them which is a shame as i always have a soft spot for a trijet!



MyTravel definitely got their moneis worth out of the DC10s inherited from the Premiair acquisition. The 3 -10 aircraft were workhorses on high density European sun routes, with the sole -30 operating a mix of short haul and long haul. As well as DC10s and A330s, Airtours/MyTravel had 767s - a diverse widebody fleet for a European charter airline. MyTravel had the honour of being the last UK operator of the DC10, the 3 -10s operated until the end of the Summer 2003 season with the sole -30 operating another year until Autumn 2004.

The JMC situation was slightly different - when Thomas Cook merged with Carlson Leisure Group, Flying Colours and Caledonian merged. Flying Colours was the Thomas Cook airline and had built a very good brand and reputation thanks to it's modern fleet. When forming JMC they were keen to maintain this. Caledonian's L1011s were immediately disposed of, the A320s were integrated, and 2 DC10s kept as a stop gap before the A330s arrived.
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Re: British operators of the DC-10

Tue Sep 29, 2020 4:59 pm

And, because they were the king of the UK leisure airlines, I can't see the thread pass without a picture of the sole Monarch DC-10, G-DMCA



It never wore the new Monarch colours in service, even though it represents the scheme on display at Manchester.
 
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Re: British operators of the DC-10

Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:13 pm

jmc757 wrote:
And, because they were the king of the UK leisure airlines, I can't see the thread pass without a picture of the sole Monarch DC-10, G-DMCA



It never wore the new Monarch colours in service, even though it represents the scheme on display at Manchester.


It never even wore the new colours as a complete aircraft, did it ? I remember visiting the freshly painted cockpit section at MAN Aviation Park around 2005. It was laid out as some sort of corporate meeting room for hire.

A few years earlier I made my one and only DC-10 flight, inbound to MAN, from Gran Canaria, on a late night Airtours flight full of drunks and screaming kids. The air con was broken and we all stewed until the doors opened at a frosty February Manchester at 2am, followed by a three hour drive to Glasgow. Not a great DC-10 memory to be fair...
 
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Re: British operators of the DC-10

Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:14 pm

eta unknown wrote:
THY operated the series 10.


I believe they were part of the Mitsui/ANA failed deal, along the first two Laker's.
 
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Re: British operators of the DC-10

Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:16 pm

JannEejit wrote:
It never even wore the new colours as a complete aircraft, did it ?


I guess this answers your question.

 
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Re: British operators of the DC-10

Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:23 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
It never even wore the new colours as a complete aircraft, did it ?


I guess this answers your question.



Sure does ! :lol:
 
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Re: British operators of the DC-10

Tue Sep 29, 2020 6:02 pm

FlyCaledonian wrote:
And what might have been with the MD-11...

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Has there ever been a British registered MD-11? Or is this the closet we ever got?
 
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Re: British operators of the DC-10

Tue Sep 29, 2020 6:17 pm

BHXflyinghigh wrote:

Has there ever been a British registered MD-11? Or is this the closet we ever got?


Don't think there's ever been a G- registered MD-11, but Monarch got closer than Air Europe when they leased a World Airways one for the summer of 1998

 
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Re: British operators of the DC-10

Tue Sep 29, 2020 6:36 pm

BHXflyinghigh wrote:

Has there ever been a British registered MD-11? Or is this the closet we ever got?


None, despite the fact three UK airlines could have had the type in their respective fleet, i.e. BCal, BA and Air Europe.


jmc757 wrote:
Don't think there's ever been a G- registered MD-11, but Monarch got closer than Air Europe when they leased a World Airways one for the summer of 1998


In fact two were leased to cover summer 1998 with their identically very "bright" livery... Would have loved to see'em in full livery. August was the month when one lease ended and the other started to cover the needs between May and November.

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Monarch-Airlines
 
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Re: British operators of the DC-10

Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:23 am

Air Europe would have been an early operator with l/n 453 & 454 allocated, these would have been G-MDII & G-OLAN respectively. These both ended up with Delta, then VASP.

BCAL's MD-11s where cancelled after the merger but the 8 DC-10 flew for British Airways at Gatwick for 11 years from 14 April 1988, with the last DC-10s going in March 1999. The fleet did temporarily shrink to 6 when G-NIUK and G-BHDH went to Caledonian in the early-mid 90's although as has been mentioned G-NIUK was re-configurated in to 32 Business class and 279 economy for use on leisure routes on behalf of BA. G-BHDH retuned to BA service on 31 October 1995, while AML (Airline Management Limited) took over the operation of G-NIUK in April 1997 with Flying Colours Airlines cabin crew and BA flight deck crew. I believe another 2 ended up with AML leaving BA with 5 and AML 3. The last BA service arrived at Gatwick on 28 March 1999 with G-BHDJ arriving from Baku

There where always rumours for the years that British Airways wanted to get rid of the DC-10's but I think they had a role that couldn't be replaced until the 777 arrived. The sub 747 role at BA was carried out by the L1011, at the time of the BCAL merger the -500 had gone to the RAF leaving L1011-1, 50s, 100's and 200's. None these had the range to cover the DC-10 routes to Houston etc and where retired in 1991 and the DC-10 survived while the 767 was probably to small as was a sub 200 seater when BA started long haul with these in 1990. It was the arrival of enough 777's that final saw the DC-10 replaced.

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Re: British operators of the DC-10

Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:15 am

jmc757 wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
MyTravel / Airtours


I miss those transitional Airtours -> MyTravel/MyTravelLite days! It seemed every aircraft in the fleet was in a slightly different scheme, they certainly weren't as concerned with being "on brand" as JMC were. The DC10s never made it into the full MyTravel colours.


The "on brand" ritual carried on in 2003 when JMC was rebranded Thomas Cook Airlines. I flew with Thomas Cook a few times in 2003 and the interiors had been refurbished into the new scheme and the on-board magazine had some numbers about how much paint was used, how much yards of fabric for the interiors, meals served etc. When they merged with MyTravel, all the aircraft they inherited were quickly repainted into the Thomas Cook livery. No idea whether the interiors were refurbished at the same time or if it followed later.

Can anybody who worked/flew on ex-MyTravel aircraft with Thomas Cook circa-2008 with a long enough memory confirm whether the interiors were touched when they merged?

BHXflyinghigh wrote:
I always liked the JMC livery, the MyTravel branding was hideous.


I didn't think the MyTravel branding was hideous. I just felt at the time it was a mess having up to four different schemes in the fleet (basic Airtours with MYT stickers, white with MYT stickers, MYT Lite and full MYT). It's a bit different to airlines who are gradually transitioning the fleet from one livery to another but keeping the same name.

Agree that the JMC livery was nice and elegant, shame it only lasted 3 years. Just my point of view, but when I look at the old blue/white Thomas Cook livery, I see the JMC template with different colours and a few detail differences.
 
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Re: British operators of the DC-10

Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:28 pm

Boeing74741R wrote:
I didn't think the MyTravel branding was hideous. I just felt at the time it was a mess having up to four different schemes in the fleet (basic Airtours with MYT stickers, white with MYT stickers, MYT Lite and full MYT). It's a bit different to airlines who are gradually transitioning the fleet from one livery to another but keeping the same name.

Agree that the JMC livery was nice and elegant, shame it only lasted 3 years. Just my point of view, but when I look at the old blue/white Thomas Cook livery, I see the JMC template with different colours and a few detail differences.


As you say there were about four Airtours/MyTravel transition schemes, although with variations within those there was a lot more than 4 different schemes flying around at the time! I'd post some pictures, but it's quite big thread drift in a DC10 thread!

Talking on interiors, looking at the photos of Monarch's DC10 at Manchester, I was struck by the cabin wall panels design.



I assume they are the wall panels the aircraft operated with in Monarch service (can't see why they'd have been changed after it was scrapped?) They must have looked rather retro, or even dated, for passengers by the time the aircraft was retired in 2001!

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