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N649DL
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:56 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
STT757 wrote:
codc10 wrote:

On A-2, 4 gates are PANYNJ common-use/UA preferential, with equipment (jetbridges/PCA) owned by UA. These are A20-23. The other 5 are UA-exclusive. Some of the gates are split-bridge, which count as one gate for purposes of the lease but can handle more than one ADG II aircraft at a time.

If the PANYNJ is going to reallocate those gates as JetBlue preferential, the UA equipment will be replaced. But the fact that those are Port common-use gates makes the rumors more credible.


Along the same discussion lines Spirit airlines has acquired a third gate at EWR on concourse B-1, gate 42. NK now has 41A, 41B and 42 which was added last month. I believe that was a former DL gate, looks like DL has shrunk their gate portfolio at EWR to 5 gates?

What jumps out at me is how much NK is paying for three gates, $32.8 Million over three years. Seems like a lot?

https://www.panynj.gov/content/dam/corporate/board-meeting-pdfs/Public-Agenda-10-29-20-revised.pdf


I think DL has 6. Them giving up one to NK would make sense because rumor has it they are trying to make their way into T1.


Last time I was in DL's EWR banjo, they were doing some much needed renovations noted with posted signs in the gate area. It wouldn't surprise me that DL is splitting gates with NK, but I would assume it's a part-time split. DL needed that capacity at certain times of the day (Pre-COVID at least.)

What they should consider is redesigning B-1's gate areas for more capacity and better facilities and making it common use. There's such a gap between facilities as the new security areas are wide and expansive (build out from circa 2010), a new DL SkyClub, and an abandoned NW WorldClub that's used for offices. They also added some new restaurants as well recently. All of that said, the gate areas are dumpy as hell especially with regards to the common use bathrooms. They should look into keeping the good (being the the "stem") of the concourse and knock down and part with the gate areas and rebuild it. Especially since I think gate 40 is completely broken.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:52 am

STT757 wrote:
codc10 wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:

I got this from someone at EWR. Someone that would know. As of now, the central banjo in A is unused. I imagine that is part of “negotiations “ with the PA.

B6 isnt an insurgent outside carrier. They are arguably the most important part of development at JFK. United is very important at EWR.

Long story short, an agreement will be reached. That agreement likely involves gates at JFK for UA.

The environment between airlines isn’t nearly as hostile as this site makes it seem


On A-2, 4 gates are PANYNJ common-use/UA preferential, with equipment (jetbridges/PCA) owned by UA. These are A20-23. The other 5 are UA-exclusive. Some of the gates are split-bridge, which count as one gate for purposes of the lease but can handle more than one ADG II aircraft at a time.

If the PANYNJ is going to reallocate those gates as JetBlue preferential, the UA equipment will be replaced. But the fact that those are Port common-use gates makes the rumors more credible.


Along the same discussion lines Spirit airlines has acquired a third gate at EWR on concourse B-1, gate 42. NK now has 41A, 41B and 42 which was added last month. I believe that was a former DL gate, looks like DL has shrunk their gate portfolio at EWR to 5 gates?

What jumps out at me is how much NK is paying for three gates, $32.8 Million over three years. Seems like a lot?

https://www.panynj.gov/content/dam/corporate/board-meeting-pdfs/Public-Agenda-10-29-20-revised.pdf


That does sound like a lot. Most of the day those gates are empty. Wouldn’t be surprised if they announce more flights
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:40 pm

United to return to JFK on Feb 1 with two round trips to SFO and LAX each. Will utilize high J 763s, and use T7 at JFK. Announced on internal town hall.

Article: https://www.afar.com/magazine/united-is ... fk-airport
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:44 pm

That move honestly makes so much sense in my opinion. Perhaps February is gonna be an interesting time to launch though.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:52 pm

 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:55 pm

Press release

We are Back! United Announces Return to New York's JFK Airport
https://hub.united.com/2020-11-10-we-ar ... 51299.html

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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:59 pm

UALifer wrote:


Great news for UA. Just saw it official on Twitter via United.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:06 pm

I wonder if DL will feel the need to add more JFK-LAX frequencies or even through it’s hat in the ring at EWR.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:07 pm

Two 767-300’s out of T7, I’m thinking gate C7 and C8. Close to the old UA Bagroom and able to accommodate both aircraft side by side
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:09 pm

Hopefully, ORD and DEN will be added in the future.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:10 pm

Very modest return, which adds options for their NYC market without oversaturating or picking a fight. I don't see there being much pushback from the incumbent carriers. This is a network add, not an offensive strategy.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:25 pm

BNAMealer wrote:
Hopefully, ORD and DEN will be added in the future.

They plan to add IAH, DEN, and ORD...
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:44 pm

I wonder what the scheduling will like post-COVID or vaccine. It seems light to me, but comparable to everyone else but DL. I imagine this is more about just getting better utilization out of these 767s.

While I have no plans to travel to JFK for these flights it’s exciting to see UA back.
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:58 pm

boeing773er wrote:
I wonder what the scheduling will like post-COVID or vaccine. It seems light to me, but comparable to everyone else but DL. I imagine this is more about just getting better utilization out of these 767s.

While I have no plans to travel to JFK for these flights it’s exciting to see UA back.


The high-J 763s have been stored since March, so it's not about getting better utilization. This is a strategic play to regain footing at JFK while the industry is down and slots can be more easily obtained.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:03 pm

What will be the future of T7 with BA/IB moving to AA's T8 soon?
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:09 pm

JFKalumni wrote:
Two 767-300’s out of T7, I’m thinking gate C7 and C8. Close to the old UA Bagroom and able to accommodate both aircraft side by side


Based on departure and arrival times of the eight flights, UA could potentially use just one gate for now. A lot of towing would be involved but it’s possible.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:13 pm

x1234 wrote:
What will be the future of T7 with BA/IB moving to AA's T8 soon?


I think the master plans floating around long term have it as joining/extending with T5 for a larger JetBlue + others terminal.

Of course most of these capital intesive projects are on extremely shaky ground given current conditions.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:18 pm

https://twitter.com/united/status/13262 ... 92928?s=21

Interesting tweet by UA sating that when demand is back, they will add more than 4 routes.

Also, keep in mind that JFK serves basically everything east of it. This gives Long Island residents access to UA.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:33 pm

No idea if it’ll actually happen but I’ve heard lots of talk about wanting JFK-LHR. I’m sure sales is calling every client they can to get a pulse of what’s wanted/needed. We will see if LHR makes the list but either way it’s exciting news for UA.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:41 pm

BNAMealer wrote:
Hopefully, ORD and DEN will be added in the future.


They won't. UA's focus at JFK is premium transcontinental only and nothing else. DEN and ORD well served from LGA and obviously, EWR.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:41 pm

Acey559 wrote:
No idea if it’ll actually happen but I’ve heard lots of talk about wanting JFK-LHR. I’m sure sales is calling every client they can to get a pulse of what’s wanted/needed. We will see if LHR makes the list but either way it’s exciting news for UA.


That is a tough market to get into for a non-hub airline. JFK already has the AA/BA empire, Delta, Virgin Atlantic, Norwegian Air Shuttle, and eventually Jetblue.

I predict Jetblue will be a game changer for JFK-LHR.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:42 pm

Acey559 wrote:
No idea if it’ll actually happen but I’ve heard lots of talk about wanting JFK-LHR. I’m sure sales is calling every client they can to get a pulse of what’s wanted/needed. We will see if LHR makes the list but either way it’s exciting news for UA.


That is a tough market to get into for a non-hub airline. JFK already has the AA/BA empire, Delta, Virgin Atlantic, Norwegian Air Shuttle, and eventually Jetblue.

I predict Jetblue will be a game changer for JFK-LHR.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:43 pm

AmericanAir88 wrote:
That is a tough market to get into for a non-hub airline.


Why is that? You think JFK-LON lacks O&D traffic?
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:44 pm

Acey559 wrote:
No idea if it’ll actually happen but I’ve heard lots of talk about wanting JFK-LHR. I’m sure sales is calling every client they can to get a pulse of what’s wanted/needed. We will see if LHR makes the list but either way it’s exciting news for UA.


I don't think UA will add LHR from JFK. In order for it to be meaningful, they would need more than 1 daily flight (once the industry and the market return to some sort of pre-COVID19 normality). AA/BA and DL/VS dominate the market at JFK to LHR. UA would need a Polaris lounge, which for a single, or a couple of flights at most, makes little sense. They could rotate those high-Polaris 763s into the network being operated to LAX/SFO but I think all UA LHR services will remain at EWR.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:45 pm

AmericanAir88 wrote:
Acey559 wrote:
No idea if it’ll actually happen but I’ve heard lots of talk about wanting JFK-LHR. I’m sure sales is calling every client they can to get a pulse of what’s wanted/needed. We will see if LHR makes the list but either way it’s exciting news for UA.


That is a tough market to get into for a non-hub airline. JFK already has the AA/BA empire, Delta, Virgin Atlantic, Norwegian Air Shuttle, and eventually Jetblue.

I predict Jetblue will be a game changer for JFK-LHR.


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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:50 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:
Hopefully, ORD and DEN will be added in the future.


They won't. UA's focus at JFK is premium transcontinental only and nothing else. DEN and ORD well served from LGA and obviously, EWR.


I stand corrected. It looks like DEN and ORD are in the cards for the future from JFK.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:08 pm

This still doesn't really clear up where they plan long term, unless JetBlue gives up its project of connect T5 to T7 together. If UA does intend to go with SFO/LAX/ORD/DEN/IAH, that will need quite a bit of gate space.

I'm assuming that at this point, UA is hard at work trying to get the necessary gates/slots that it will need long term at JFK. I don't really see the point of ORD. DL makes JFK-ORD work due to its international operation at JFK. B6 makes it work due to not having a presence on LGA-ORD. AA struggles to make it work. UA adding JFK-ORD seems to just achieve the effect of pulling passengers away from LGA at a time when demand is really low between the two cities.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:11 pm

AmericanAir88 wrote:
https://twitter.com/united/status/1326249689549692928?s=21

Interesting tweet by UA sating that when demand is back, they will add more than 4 routes.

Also, keep in mind that JFK serves basically everything east of it. This gives Long Island residents access to UA.


That's not what the tweet says at all. It says they'll expand beyond the current four frequencies, which makes complete sense - two flights a day to LAX/SFO in a post-COVID world won't cut it against DL, AA and B6.

I doubt DEN, ORD and IAH get added in - they can easily be served via LGA. If you're on Long Island, there isn't a whole lot of difference choosing between LGA and JFK. ORD might get a few RJs if the planes are available, but there wouldn't really be any need for IAH/DEN if ORD is there.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:23 pm

deltairlines wrote:

I doubt DEN, ORD and IAH get added in - they can easily be served via LGA. If you're on Long Island, there isn't a whole lot of difference choosing between LGA and JFK. ORD might get a few RJs if the planes are available, but there wouldn't really be any need for IAH/DEN if ORD is there.


I am going to assume that the same applies to IAD as well, as that is also well served from LGA.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:25 pm

FedEx used to do a scheduled nightly Memphis Kennedy La Guardia 727 trip. Not sure if it was a triangle or stopped both ways. Definitely did MEM JFK LGA. That’s a domestic 727 jet flight within a single NY borough. Intra-Queens jet service!
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:49 pm

That’s really awesome news for United. I do wonder what the game plan will be if one of those 763s takes a crap at JFK. You potentially have a lot of premium customers in a market you are trying desperately to recapture, and few good alternatives with a 4 flight a day operation. Seems like one you want to protect at all costs
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:04 pm

deltairlines wrote:
I doubt DEN, ORD and IAH get added in - they can easily be served via LGA. If you're on Long Island, there isn't a whole lot of difference choosing between LGA and JFK. ORD might get a few RJs if the planes are available, but there wouldn't really be any need for IAH/DEN if ORD is there.


From Afar:

“Our goal is to expand [our coast-to-coast] service first and then move on to our other gateways to be able to connect passengers through Chicago, Denver, Houston, in particular,” said Ankit Gupta, United’s vice president for domestic network planning.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:22 pm

gwrudolph wrote:
That’s really awesome news for United. I do wonder what the game plan will be if one of those 763s takes a crap at JFK. You potentially have a lot of premium customers in a market you are trying desperately to recapture, and few good alternatives with a 4 flight a day operation. Seems like one you want to protect at all costs

Keep a spare 763 strapped to a flatbed next to the Verrazano Narrows Bridge.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:49 pm

gwrudolph wrote:
That’s really awesome news for United. I do wonder what the game plan will be if one of those 763s takes a crap at JFK. You potentially have a lot of premium customers in a market you are trying desperately to recapture, and few good alternatives with a 4 flight a day operation. Seems like one you want to protect at all costs


Nothing about this shows they are desperate to recapture anything. This is an alternative addition to their huge EWR operation. Maintenance delays can happy on any airline, in any station. I am sure this will be covered as well as possible, with the worst-case scenario being they would probably ferry a spare in from EWR if absolutely necessary.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:31 pm

TonyClifton wrote:
gwrudolph wrote:
That’s really awesome news for United. I do wonder what the game plan will be if one of those 763s takes a crap at JFK. You potentially have a lot of premium customers in a market you are trying desperately to recapture, and few good alternatives with a 4 flight a day operation. Seems like one you want to protect at all costs

Keep a spare 763 strapped to a flatbed next to the Verrazano Narrows Bridge.


Probably the same routing when we operated the CO 757’s

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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:38 pm

Is UA flying the 763 on JFK-SFO/LAXs just a temporary thing? Cause UA has 50 Polaris configured 7MJ on order and I expect that once the 7MJ arrives UA will fly them between JFK/EWR/BOS-SFO/LAX? Also why isn't UA flying the 752 on JFK-SFO/LAX as UA still has RR 752s in the fleet?
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:58 am

UA857 wrote:
Is UA flying the 763 on JFK-SFO/LAXs just a temporary thing? Cause UA has 50 Polaris configured 7MJ on order and I expect that once the 7MJ arrives UA will fly them between JFK/EWR/BOS-SFO/LAX? Also why isn't UA flying the 752 on JFK-SFO/LAX as UA still has RR 752s in the fleet?


UA is expanding Premium Plus in the domestic/premium transcon market. It went on sale last fall on 787-10 flights EWR-LAX/SFO and will expand with the high-J 767 at JFK.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:59 am

UA857 wrote:
Is UA flying the 763 on JFK-SFO/LAXs just a temporary thing? Cause UA has 50 Polaris configured 7MJ on order and I expect that once the 7MJ arrives UA will fly them between JFK/EWR/BOS-SFO/LAX? Also why isn't UA flying the 752 on JFK-SFO/LAX as UA still has RR 752s in the fleet?



I'm sorry but what is a 7MJ?

Also UA's high J 763s have 167 seats which is nearly the same seat count found on our old configuration RR 752 at 169, our reconfigured RR 752s with slimline seats have 176 seats. I'm assuming UA is using the 763s because they are going to try to get United Cargo involved and try to move some cargo.

I think the high J 763 is a temporary place holder, should UA get their hands on more slots the RR 752s will be on these routes in addition to a few 763s.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:14 am

jayunited wrote:
UA857 wrote:
Is UA flying the 763 on JFK-SFO/LAXs just a temporary thing? Cause UA has 50 Polaris configured 7MJ on order and I expect that once the 7MJ arrives UA will fly them between JFK/EWR/BOS-SFO/LAX? Also why isn't UA flying the 752 on JFK-SFO/LAX as UA still has RR 752s in the fleet?



I'm sorry but what is a 7MJ?

Also UA's high J 763s have 167 seats which is nearly the same seat count found on our old configuration RR 752 at 169, our reconfigured RR 752s with slimline seats have 176 seats. I'm assuming UA is using the 763s because they are going to try to get United Cargo involved and try to move some cargo.

I think the high J 763 is a temporary place holder, should UA get their hands on more slots the RR 752s will be on these routes in addition to a few 763s.


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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:15 am

jayunited wrote:
UA857 wrote:
Is UA flying the 763 on JFK-SFO/LAXs just a temporary thing? Cause UA has 50 Polaris configured 7MJ on order and I expect that once the 7MJ arrives UA will fly them between JFK/EWR/BOS-SFO/LAX? Also why isn't UA flying the 752 on JFK-SFO/LAX as UA still has RR 752s in the fleet?



I'm sorry but what is a 7MJ?

Also UA's high J 763s have 167 seats which is nearly the same seat count found on our old configuration RR 752 at 169, our reconfigured RR 752s with slimline seats have 176 seats. I'm assuming UA is using the 763s because they are going to try to get United Cargo involved and try to move some cargo.

I think the high J 763 is a temporary place holder, should UA get their hands on more slots the RR 752s will be on these routes in addition to a few 763s.


I think UA857 is referring to the 737-MAX 10....IIRC those are 3JM's at UA :)
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:48 am

Great News! When was the last time UA even regularly flew a 763 to JFK? Like 2003 or something?

x1234 wrote:
What will be the future of T7 with BA/IB moving to AA's T8 soon?


Maybe UA will take over all of T7? Also is UA going to reopen a club or small Polaris Lounge at JFK?

Personally I think this is an experiment to retest the waters at JFK and maybe return to LHR or NRT which were the last 2 long haul routes they ditched back in 2005-2006.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:55 am

N649DL wrote:
Great News! When was the last time UA even regularly flew a 763 to JFK? Like 2003 or something?

x1234 wrote:
What will be the future of T7 with BA/IB moving to AA's T8 soon?


Maybe UA will take over all of T7? Also is UA going to reopen a club or small Polaris Lounge at JFK?

Personally I think this is an experiment to retest the waters at JFK and maybe return to LHR or NRT which were the last 2 long haul routes they ditched back in 2005-2006.


I hope we takeover terminal 7. Every gate except C11 and C12 can accommodate a wide body aircraft. Hopefully the underground deicing tanks and underground pre condition air still works. It makes life easier.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:57 am

United1 wrote:
jayunited wrote:
UA857 wrote:
Is UA flying the 763 on JFK-SFO/LAXs just a temporary thing? Cause UA has 50 Polaris configured 7MJ on order and I expect that once the 7MJ arrives UA will fly them between JFK/EWR/BOS-SFO/LAX? Also why isn't UA flying the 752 on JFK-SFO/LAX as UA still has RR 752s in the fleet?



I'm sorry but what is a 7MJ?

Also UA's high J 763s have 167 seats which is nearly the same seat count found on our old configuration RR 752 at 169, our reconfigured RR 752s with slimline seats have 176 seats. I'm assuming UA is using the 763s because they are going to try to get United Cargo involved and try to move some cargo.

I think the high J 763 is a temporary place holder, should UA get their hands on more slots the RR 752s will be on these routes in addition to a few 763s.


I think UA857 is referring to the 737-MAX 10....IIRC those are 3JM's at UA :)

Does anyone know when the 7MJs come online?
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:59 am

JFKalumni wrote:
N649DL wrote:
Great News! When was the last time UA even regularly flew a 763 to JFK? Like 2003 or something?

x1234 wrote:
What will be the future of T7 with BA/IB moving to AA's T8 soon?


Maybe UA will take over all of T7? Also is UA going to reopen a club or small Polaris Lounge at JFK?

Personally I think this is an experiment to retest the waters at JFK and maybe return to LHR or NRT which were the last 2 long haul routes they ditched back in 2005-2006.


I hope we takeover terminal 7. Every gate except C11 and C12 can accommodate a wide body aircraft. Hopefully the underground deicing tanks and underground pre condition air still works. It makes life easier.


Plus it's historic as the Concorde operated out of there for years on BA. I personally love how compact T-7 is as well as the brick check-in areas and the ex-UA club area (especially the views).

Sigh, sometimes I miss working in Manhattan above Penn Station and shooting down to T-7 on LIRR and buy up on UA to LAX to visit friends around New Years for $350 in Business on P.S. at check-in with no status and using the club. It was so convenient and I did it twice when I was living at home and had the extra cash & worth it too with those heavy headwinds. The ex-P.S. 757s were the only J seats I could take a nap on as well.
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:05 am

Also will AS move to T8 along with BA/IB if so could UA turn T7 into a dedicated terminal?
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:13 am

UA857 wrote:
Also will AS move to T8 along with BA/IB if so could UA turn T7 into a dedicated terminal?


Terminal 7 only has a few years left.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:26 am

N649DL wrote:
JFKalumni wrote:
N649DL wrote:
Great News! When was the last time UA even regularly flew a 763 to JFK? Like 2003 or something?



Maybe UA will take over all of T7? Also is UA going to reopen a club or small Polaris Lounge at JFK?

Personally I think this is an experiment to retest the waters at JFK and maybe return to LHR or NRT which were the last 2 long haul routes they ditched back in 2005-2006.


I hope we takeover terminal 7. Every gate except C11 and C12 can accommodate a wide body aircraft. Hopefully the underground deicing tanks and underground pre condition air still works. It makes life easier.


Plus it's historic as the Concorde operated out of there for years on BA. I personally love how compact T-7 is as well as the brick check-in areas and the ex-UA club area (especially the views).

Sigh, sometimes I miss working in Manhattan above Penn Station and shooting down to T-7 on LIRR and buy up on UA to LAX to visit friends around New Years for $350 in Business on P.S. at check-in with no status and using the club. It was so convenient and I did it twice when I was living at home and had the extra cash & worth it too with those heavy headwinds. The ex-P.S. 757s were the only J seats I could take a nap on as well.


The best feature with regards to T7 was customs clearance. T7 customs was quick and convenient compared with ether other terminals. Working at JFK won’t be the same as before. Delta has control of Hanger 19 and 22a including the parking lot. I guess everybody will move to the port authority lot on Lefferts Blvd and take the Airtrain.

That’s going to be a headache.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:44 am

This just arrived in my Inbox from United, so its about as official as its going to get. Looks like 767-300ERs as mentioned earlier in the thread. Long live the mighty 767!


We are back!

We're excited to announce that starting February 1, we will begin flying to both Los Angeles and San Francisco from New York City's John F. Kennedy (JFK), offering daily nonstop flights to each west coast city.

Sit back and relax on board our Boeing 767-300ER aircraft offering an extended premium cabin featuring 16 additional United Business class seats — providing all-aisle-access seating — bringing the total premium cabin seat count to 46. This aircraft also has 22 United Premium Plus® seats, 47 Economy Plus® seats and 52 Economy seats.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:48 am

JFKalumni wrote:
N649DL wrote:
Great News! When was the last time UA even regularly flew a 763 to JFK? Like 2003 or something?

x1234 wrote:
What will be the future of T7 with BA/IB moving to AA's T8 soon?


Maybe UA will take over all of T7? Also is UA going to reopen a club or small Polaris Lounge at JFK?

Personally I think this is an experiment to retest the waters at JFK and maybe return to LHR or NRT which were the last 2 long haul routes they ditched back in 2005-2006.


I hope we takeover terminal 7. Every gate except C11 and C12 can accommodate a wide body aircraft. Hopefully the underground deicing tanks and underground pre condition air still works. It makes life easier.


Again, T7 is not a permanent solution if B6 continues with its plan of connecting T6/7 to T5.

If I were UA, I'd get B6 on the phone and see what can be worked out.
 
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Re: UA Plans to Return to JFK in 2021

Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:58 am

I think this will be interesting. Good luck to UA on this route...The high J 767 is an interesting bird with 167 seats 46 J 22 W , 47 Y+ , and 52 Y. The key for UA success is going to be getting the J seats filled with high paying customers. Below is a comparison of the other operators on the route and their aircraft seating breakdown. I'm for this if it will hopefully lower the cost of J on the routes JFK-LAX&SFO 46 J seats per flight is a lot to fill for non NYC-LHR. That being said UA is only 2 flights each way per day so its not flooding the market. Does anyone know if UA will be using another airlines lounge for their Polaris passengers? T7 only really has BA and Alaska now IIRC. I wonder what DL's response will be to this if any at all? If there remains less international premium flying could DL put the 767-400 with the new refurbished cabins on this route?

Another interesting point of note is that UA will have 22 Premium Economy seats on the route, wonder how they will be sold and what pricing will look like? In recent times is been easy to get a one way J fare on JFK-LAX for under $600 I wonder where this product will fit price wise when it is arguably better than the domestic F seat Alaska is flying on the route.

DL:
767-300ER: 26J, 35 Y+, 165 Y
757-200ER:16J, 44 Y+, 108 Y

AA:
A321-T: 10F, 20 J, 35 Y+, 31 Y

JetBlue:
A321:16J, 41 Y+, 102Y

Alaska:
16 (Domestic F), 24 Y+,150Y
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