jayunited wrote:trueblew wrote:Everyone is waxing lyrical about these high-J configs and corporate contracts etc etc.... but where are the hordes of J customers and corporate travelers to fill them? It's mostly Group 4-5 pax currently and will likely still be when this route launches.
No one is saying UA will fill 46 Polaris seats with paying customers, no one is making that assertion. What people are saying is because these routes are very competitive UA really has no choice. Back in April and May UA on our EWR-SFO/LAX routes replace our lie flat seats with 738s and 739ERs a cost cutting move. However that move backfired and cost UA dearly by the time June came around UA has replaced 738s and 739ERs with RR 752s, 763s, 789s and 78Xs. Even though we are still in the middle of a pandemic and business travel remains down these routes NYC-LAX/SFO are still as competitive as ever and launching these routes with anything other than lie flat seats would be a disaster for UA. Everyone knows for now business class ticket prices are near all time lows on these routes but again because of the nature of these routes and competition an airline like UA can't put any other aircraft on these routes.
Sure UA could use our 169 seats RR 752s but you've just eliminated your ability to carry large amounts of cargo. Launching these routes with a 763 at least gives UA the opportunity to carry 30,000 LBS or more of cargo on each flight in each direction.
What backfired by moving to smaller a/c during a time when no one is flying? This is more of a situation where some other routes have been reinstated and the 737's are going there and then running larger planes between the coasts. PAX numbers do not require any larger a/c right now based on the boarding totals. 250 open seats on a 777?